fight4right

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Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

bahi uskay ghotay khawab ki koi wazahat to kerooooo baki baten baad main ....
 

mirror777

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Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

@fight4right Jhoota khuab tha ya nahi ye toh nahi pta . Tahir sahab ki ghalti ye thy k khuab aise logo k samne bayan kia , jo samajh nahi sakte thy uonko.

Agar mein Auditing kisi 5 standard k bache ko samjhaon toh wo bacha mujhy he bura bhala keh k chala jaega baghair samjhe . This is not the world what was 500 years ago , now people thinks that you must have a scientific logic of everything.
 
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fight4right

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Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

@fight4right Jhoota khuab tha ya nahi ye toh nahi pta . Tahir sahab ki ghalti ye thy k khuab aise logo k samne bayan kia , jo samajh nahi sakte thy uonko.

Agar mein Auditing kisi 5 standard k bache ko samjhaon toh wo bacha mujhy he bura bhala keh k chala jaega baghair samjhe . This is the world what was 500 years ago , now people thinks that you must have a scientific logic of everything.

acha to ya sacha khwab hay nabi ko anay kay liyee tahar jesay admi kay kirayee ki zaroroat hay us ki mehman nazi ki zarurat hay ,
Nabhi ka koi pouchta nahin nawzbillah................ kaya bat kertay ho ,,,, esi auditing to koi idiot hi explain ker sakta hay ya wo jo is tahir Kazab ko sajday kerta ho
 
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QaiserMirza

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Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

کہیں یہ پلاسٹک سرجری کا کمال تو نہیں ہے
آج کے دور میں سب ممکن ہے

 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

@fight4right Jhoota khuab tha ya nahi ye toh nahi pta . Tahir sahab ki ghalti ye thy k khuab aise logo k samne bayan kia , jo samajh nahi sakte thy uonko.

Agar mein Auditing kisi 5 standard k bache ko samjhaon toh wo bacha mujhy he bura bhala keh k chala jaega baghair samjhe . This is the world what was 500 years ago , now people thinks that you must have a scientific logic of everything.

Buddy No Matter What Happens, I Can't Accept That Prophet S.A.W Asked Him To Get Charity Money For A Ticket. Sharam Ani Chahiyae Jhoot Boltae Huwae.
I Ain't Against Tahir ul Qadri Sb, Har Banda Galti Krta Hae, Allah Jee Maaf Krtae Haen.
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

کہیں یہ پلاسٹک سرجری کا کمال تو نہیں ہے
آج کے دور میں سب ممکن ہے


@fight4right Jhoota khuab tha ya nahi ye toh nahi pta . Tahir sahab ki ghalti ye thy k khuab aise logo k samne bayan kia , jo samajh nahi sakte thy uonko.

Agar mein Auditing kisi 5 standard k bache ko samjhaon toh wo bacha mujhy he bura bhala keh k chala jaega baghair samjhe . This is the world what was 500 years ago , now people thinks that you must have a scientific logic of everything.

bahi uskay ghotay khawab ki koi wazahat to kerooooo baki baten baad main ....

So Nisar Sb Just Said That Maulana Is Turning ''SEXY'' Day By Day? No Offense!
:P
 

Mansur

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Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

Dreams have meanings. That's why in Islam there is dream interpretation. Everything is symbolic.
 

Serving Islam

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Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

@ cefspan
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]Buddy No Matter What Happens, I Can't Accept That Prophet S.A.W Asked Him To Get Charity Money For A Ticket. Sharam Ani Chahiyae Jhoot Boltae Huwae.


False things have always been attributed to great personalities of Islam through out the history. Dr. Tahir ul Qadri is no exception to that. He emerged so quickly, and had so many accomplishments in such a short span of time, that some corners started their organized efforts to defame him. They attributed lots of things to him which either he never said, or were quoted out of context.

One of the most mis-reported issues is that of his dreams. In this post I would analyze this issue in a little bit detail. But before that, I would suggest the readers to obey the following teaching of Quran (Sura Hujrat 49:6)

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

Importance of Dreams in Islam in the Light of Sahih Hadith

1. Good Dreams are part of Prophetism: Allah’s Apostle said, “A good Dream (that comes true) of a righteous man is one of forty-six parts of prophetism.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 112)

The Prophet said, “A true good Dream is from Allah, and a bad Dream is from Satan.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 113)
I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Nothing is left of the prophetism except Al-Mubashshirat.” They asked, “What are Al-Mubashshirat?” He replied, “The true good dreams (that conveys glad tidings).” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 119)

2. Seeing the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in dreams: The Prophet said, “Whoever has seen me in a Dream, then no doubt, he has seen me, for Satan cannot imitate my shape.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 123)

Mentioning 0r Sharing Dreams is Sunnah of Holy Prophet(PBUH)
Is mentioning dreams a bad thing?

1. Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) mentioned his dreams:


The Prophet said, “… while I was sleeping last night, the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me till they were put in my hand.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 127)

Allah’s Apostle said, “I saw myself (in a Dream) near the Ka’ba last night, and I saw a man with whitish red complexion …I asked, ‘Who is this man?’ Somebody replied, ‘(He is) Messiah, son of Mary.’ …” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 128)
Allah’s Apostle … said, “Some of my followers were presented before me in my Dream as fighters in Allah’s Cause, sailing in the middle of the seas like kings on the thrones or like kings sitting on their thrones.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 130)
Above 3 Ahadith show that Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) used to describe his dreams, or in other words, narrating one’s dreams is the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم).

Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked Sahaba to mention their dreams:

Allah’s Apostle very often used to ask his companions, “Did anyone of you see a Dream?” So dreams would be narrated to him by those whom Allah wished to tell. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 171)

Above Hadith (alongwith other similar ones) show that the Prophet (
صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) used to encourage Sahaba to narrate their dreams.

3. Sahaba used to mention their dreams: Narated By Ibn ‘Umar: Men from the companions of Allah’s Apostle used to see dreams during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle and they used to narrate those dreams to Allah’s Apostle. Allah’s Apostle would interpret them as Allah wished. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 155)
Narated By Ibn ‘Umar: I was a young unmarried man during the lifetime of the Prophet. I used to sleep in the mosque. Anyone who had a Dream, would narrate it to the Prophet. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 156)

2. Ahl-e-Hadith / Wahabi /Salafi school of thought Dreams:

Ibn-e-Qayam, an Imam acknowledged by Ahl-e-Hadith / Wahabi people, has recorded numerous dreams in his book “Kitab
ur Ruh”.


3. Deobandi school of thought Dreams:


Most of the objections against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s dreams were raised by a Deobandi based “Islamic” Jama’at. Ironically, the Deobandi school of thought is much ahead of all others in describing their dreams. “Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband” is a collection of those dreams which people saw about this Dar ul Uloom. Ashraf Ali Thanvi has recorded hundreds of dreams of various people in his book “Hakayat ul Owliya”. Other Deobandi books which are filled with the descriptions of dreams include “Imdad ul Mushtaq” by Ashraf Ali Thanvi, “Tazkira tur Rasheed” by Ashiq Ali Mirathi, “Tazkira Fazl ur Rehman” by Abu ul Hasan Nadvi, and “Asdaq ur Roya” by Ashraf Ali Thanvi.

4. Tablighi Jama’at Dreams:

Molana Muhammad Zikriya (the founder of Tablighi Jama’at) has himself recorded his numerous dreams in the book “Aap Beeti”. 40 of his dreams have been collected in another book “Mahboob ul Aaraifin”. More dreams related to Tablighi Jama’at are collected in “Bahja tul Qaloob”.


 

Serving Islam

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Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty


Objection Answered:

Lets discuss this objection raised on this issue, which says:“Why did the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ask Dr. Sahib for the arrangements of the stay or travel, including the ticket? Does the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) need such things to travel and is he dependant on Dr. Sahib for these arrangements (Na Uzu Billah)?”We would address this by discussing it from 3 angles:

1. The act of asking doesn’t show dependence
2. Similar dreams seen by scholars in past
3. Dreams are subject to interpretation


1. The act of asking doesn’t show dependence:
The act of asking can have various reasons; it doesn’t necessarily show that the person asking for something is dependent on it. E.g the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked for various things during his life, which many a times were meant to honor the person. E.g. the Hadith of Mishqat, which is also narrated by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and Bahaqi, shows that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked an Ansari Sahabi to feed him. Similarly in Nur ud Din Zangi’s era, the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came to his Dream, informed him of the conspirators who were trying to get the body of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) from his grave, and then asked him “Save me from these two (conspirators)” (Wafa ul Wafa / Khalasa tul Wafa / Jazab ul Qaloob) Was the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) dependent on Nur ud Din Zangi (Na Uzu Billah)? Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) can ask such things from others to honor them; this doesn’t show that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) is dependent on anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaD2p_EQ0AY
If asking for something shows dependence, then is Allah also dependent (Na Uzu Billah) who is making questions in the following verses of Quran:“…give regular Charity; and loan to Allah a Beautiful Loan.” (Al-Muzamil 73:20)

“Who is he that will loan to Allah a beautiful loan, which Allah will double unto his credit and multiply many times?” (Al-Baqara 2:245)

Surely no one would say that Allah’s act of asking for loan shows His dependence on that loan. It is surely meant for our own well-being.

The above example of Quran proves that the act of asking doesn’t show dependence of the questioner.

2. Similar dreams seen by scholars in past


The dreams of Dr. Sahib actually had nothing objectionable, especially when he had himself presented their possible interpretation. But a (so called) religious Jamat of Pakistan got the cassette of the speech, thoroughly tempered it by omitting various parts of it, and then distributed it in the masses to confuse the people. They changed the whole theme of the speech by cutting various parts of the speech and joining them together. This was a very shameful act which was done in an attempt to degrade Dr. Sahib.
As the Jamat which put alligations on Dr. Sahib’s dreams, primarily belongs to Deobandi school of thought, I would present a few examples of dreams reported by their own elders to show their reality.
Molana Rafi ud Din saw that Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came in his Dream, rejected the original boundaries planned for the construction of Dar ul Uloom Deoband, and marked new boundaries on a wider area with his stick. These marks were present in the morning and we built the building based on these marks. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 45)
Molana Qasim Nanotvi saw that he was standing on the roof of Kaba, and canals were emerging from his feet and spreading in the world. The narrator interprets that standing on the roof of Kaba represents Dar ul Uloom Deoband and canals represent its branches. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 35)Qari Muhammad Tayyab narrates that in Dream he saw that Dar ul Uloom Deoband has been established on the roof of the Masjid-e-Nabavi and his (i.e. Qari Sahib’s) residential room was also present there. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 53-54)
Molana Qasim Nanotvi saw during his childhood that he is sitting in the lap of Allah (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 63)
Molana Rafi ud Din saw that Molana Qasim Nanotvi’s grave is inside the grave of a Nabi (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 70)
Molana Abdul Rashid says that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) instructed in his Dream. “Serve Molana Zikriya, as serving him is like serving me. I visit his room quite often.” (Bahja tul Qaloob, Page 21)Molana Habib ur Rehman Usmani says that in a public gathering, which he was presiding over, the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came on a train. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 67)In a Dream the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) said: “The guests of Imdad Ullah are scholars, I would cook their food myself.” Then Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Rashid Ahmad Gangohi became Haji Imdad Ullah‘s guests. (Tazkira tur Rasheed, Page 46)



Comments: The elders of every school of thought saw dreams which require their تعبیر (interpretation). I have mostly quoted the examples from Deobandi school of thought, as they were most active in the whole campaign against Dr. Sahib’s dreams.Now we would move to the issue of interpretation of dreams (Inshallah).



3. Dreams are subject to interpretation


Dreams are subject to interpretation, this is proven from Quran. Hazrat Yaqoob (علیہ السلام) says to Hazrat Yusaf (علیہ السلام): “Thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of dreams …” (Yusuf 12:6) Hazrat Yusuf (AS) acknowledged it by saying “My Lord, You have given me the kingdom and taught me the meaning of dreams.” (Yusuf 12:101)
This sura alone has several examples where the interpretation of a Dream is different from the Dream itself. E.g. the stars in Hazrat Yusuf (علیہ السلام)’s Dream (in verse 12:4) actually meant his brothers. Similarly when “the King dreamt that seven lean cows were eating seven fat ones and that there were seven green ears of corn and seven dry ones” (Yusuf 12:43), the interpretation given by Hazrat Yusuf (علیہ السلام) was: “Cultivate your lands for seven years as usual and preserve the produce with its ears each year except the little amount that you will consume. After this will ensue seven years of famine in which all the grain that you have stored will be consumed except a small quantity. Then there will be a year with plenty of rain and people will have sufficient milk and other produce.” (Yusuf 12:47)
The above discussion proves that dreams are subject to interpretation (تعبیر) and should not be taken in their literal meanings.

Interpretations of dreams given by the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)

Example 1:
Milk means knowledge
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “While I was sleeping, I was given a bowl full of milk (in a Dream), and I drank of it to my fill until I noticed its wetness coming out of my nails, and then I gave the rest of it to ‘Umar.” They (the people) asked, “What have you interpreted (about the Dream)? O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, “(It is Religious) knowledge.” (Bukhari Vol. 87, Book 9 No. 134)

Example 2: Size of shirt means strength in religion

Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri: Allah’s Apostle said, “While I was sleeping, some people were displayed before me (in a Dream). They were wearing shirts, some of which were merely covering their breasts, and some a bit longer. Then there passed before me, ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab wearing a shirt he was dragging it (on the ground behind him.)” They (the people) asked, “What have you interpreted (about the Dream) O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, “The Religion.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 136)

Example 3: Cutting a part of the body means birth of a grand child

Hazrat Um e Fazal (رضی اللہ عنہا), the wife of Hazrat Abbas (رضی اللہ عنہ) saw in a Dream that a part from the body of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) has cut, and dropped in her lap. She got worried. But the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) said that its interpretation is good. A grand child of mine would be born which would play in your lap. So Hazrat Imam Hussain (علیہ السلام) was born. (Mishqat Sharif)

Example 4: Broken roof means return of husband
A woman asked from the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم): “I have seen the roof of my house broken.” He replied that her husband, whom was on a far off travel, would return. (Ahlam ul Anbiya wa Sulaha)


Comments so far:
The above Ahadith show that a Dream is subject to interpretation and it should not be taken in its literal meaning. So in the above Ahadith milk is interpreted as knowledge, size of shirt is interpreted as strength in religion, cutting a part of the body is interpreted as the birth of a grand child, and breaking of roof is interpreted as return of husband.

Strange interpretations related to the ziyara of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)


Ibn-e-Sireen (رحمت اللہ علیھ) is a famous Tabaee and is considered among the imams of interpretation of dreams. His famous book, Tabeer ur Roya (i.e. interpretation of dreams) enlists the interpretations to thousands of dreams, some of which (related to the ziyara of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) are given here:

Ibn e Sireen (رحمت اللہ علیھ), the imam of interpretation, says:1. If someone sees that he is digging or scraching the grave of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), it means that he would revive a Sunnah.2. If someone sees that he is drinking the blood of the Prophet (
صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), it means that he would be martyred in Jihad.3. If someone sees that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) has died at a place, it means that Sunnah would be eliminated from that place.One can see that ziyara of the Prophet (
صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in Dream can be interpreted in various ways. Some times the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) represents his Sunnah, sometimes Islamic teachings, sometimes the Muslim Ummah and sometimes other related things.

Dream of Imam Bukhari

Imam Bukhari saw that he is removing flies from the body of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم). An expert told him that flies represent fabricated Ahadith and he would remove / distinguish them from the authentic ones.

Dream of Imam Abu Hanifa
Imam Abu Hanifa saw that he was picking the bones of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) from his grave and he was giving preference to some bones over other bones. He became very puzzled at seeing this (as according to Ahadith earth cannot eat the body of the prophets). Ibn e Sireen told him that the Dream is good. He said that he (i.e. Imam Abu Hanifa) would carefully study the narrations of the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) and would pick the most authentic ones (to compile Fiqh).

Interpretation of Dr Tahir ul Qadri’s Dreams:

As we have seen, ziyara of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) can be interpreted in various ways. Some times coming of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in dreams represents his Sunnah, sometimes Islamic teachings, sometimes the Muslim Ummah and sometimes other related things. That’s why death of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in Dream was interpreted as removal of his Sunnah, and flies trying to sit on his body were interpreted as false narrations attributed to him.Similarly, Dr Tahir ul Qadri’s dreams also require interpretation. So this is what he himself interpreted about them:
Note: The wording is mine, summarizing Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s wording:
Dream: The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make an Islamic center (Minhaj-ul-Quran) and promised me that he would come there (in that center).
Interpretation: Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)’s faiz would be included in that center.Dream : The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) was going to leave this country.
Interpretation: Islamic way of life is going away from our society. Dream: The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make arrangements of his stay.
Interpretation: The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) wanted me to start a struggle for the revival of Islam.Dream : The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make arrangements of travel including the ticket of the journey.
Interpretation: Ticket and other arrangements of travel are sign of excessive traveling required for the preaching of Islam.

Conclusion:


In this thread we discussed 3 objections commonly raised against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s narrated dreams. Some points of our discussion are summarized here:

1. Some critics of Dr. Tahir ul Qadri accuse him that he is “using cheap ways to win popularity” by narrating his dreams. The fact is that he only narrated 2 or 3 dreams in only one of his speeches. Narrating one’s dreams is the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), Sahaba, and scholars through out the Islamic history.
2. His statement that “the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) was angry with the scholars of
Pakistan”, was mis-interpreted. The statement does make the exception for those scholars who are genuinely working for Islam.

3. His statement that “the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make arrangement of stay, travel and ticket” does not show that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) is dependent on such things. The dreams are subject to interpretation and should not be taken in their literal meanings. This was proven from the examples of Quran, Hadith and sayings of the imam of interpretation of dreams. Examples of dreams of other scholars (including the dreams of Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Bukhari) were given to illustrate this point.
4. Some of the dreams, which people have wrongly attributed with Dr. Sahib, were also touched. For example Dr. Sahib NEVER said that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came in his Dream and asked him to come into politics or to contest election. He NEVER said that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) decided the name of his Jama’at (party). Numerous dreams are falsely attributed with him, so one should verify a statement made against him.THE END

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mustafvi

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

acha to ya sacha khwab hay nabi ko anay kay liyee tahar jesay admi kay kirayee ki zaroroat hay us ki mehman nazi ki zarurat hay ,
Nabhi ka koi pouchta nahin nawzbillah................ kaya bat kertay ho ,,,, esi auditing to koi idiot hi explain ker sakta hay ya wo jo is tahir Kazab ko sajday kerta ho

Who are you, some kind of dreams expert? Why do you open your mouth about the topic you have no idea.
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty


This is what I always emphasize, delving into the subject of matter. Ironic is that the schools of thought which started putting allegations upon others since the last 2 centuries in fact try to defect from what the big names of Muslims had been practicing throughout the last 12-1300 years including khair ul quroon where each name is so big that we follow their research intentionally or unintentionally while talking or doing any research about Islam.

I would like to mention a few other dreams here too where Muhammad pbuh is preparing food for guests of deoband biggies and about Muhammad pbuh speaking urdu and when inquired about it, told that jab se deoband se muamla howa hai urdu aa gayee hai. Now this shows muazAllah dependence upon the scholars of deoband for learning urdu but they wouldn't let these things be discussed. We know that knowing languages isn't an issue like us for the Prophet pbuh and He pbuh needs no relationship with anyone but Allah to learn them. Anyway, as I know brother cefspan is someone who always tries to reason and ask questions for getting insight into it, I am thankful that serving islam provided quite some work for the same.
 

mustafvi

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: without "Economic Revolution" you can't make "Islamic Society" : Revolutionary though of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri

Really thought provoking lectures. These were series under the name "Quranic philosophy of revolution". Thank you @Serving Islam
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: without "Economic Revolution" you can't make "Islamic Society" : Revolutionary though of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri

I wonder when ghamdi talks about it, he gets praise, wah wah everything but when Tahir ul Qadri says it, its challenged.
 

mustafvi

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: without "Economic Revolution" you can't make "Islamic Society" : Revolutionary though of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri

I wonder when ghamdi talks about it, he gets praise, wah wah everything but when Tahir ul Qadri says it, its challenged.

Did you noticed the date, its from 1989. Do you think that it was possible for the evil forces to digest such thoughts?
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: without "Economic Revolution" you can't make "Islamic Society" : Revolutionary though of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri

This is all the PR that he needs before going back to Pakistan. So guys keep doing what you are doing and we will keep calling him a black sheep!!!!
 

mustafvi

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: without "Economic Revolution" you can't make "Islamic Society" : Revolutionary though of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri

This is all the PR that he needs before going back to Pakistan. So guys keep doing what you are doing and we will keep calling him a black sheep!!!!

Who cares.
 

rayan40

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

I was general secretary of minhaj Ul Quran uk at the time of these videos. There is nothing objectionable in those videos. Friends from devbandi school of thoughts went so extremes to defame Dr Tahir sahib.
 

BoneBasher

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hassan Nisar on Beauty of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri: A Rare Phenomenon of Continuously Increasing Beauty

I was general secretary of minhaj Ul Quran uk at the time of these videos. There is nothing objectionable in those videos. Friends from devbandi school of thoughts went so extremes to defame Dr Tahir sahib.

To phir sach sach bata dein ke hassan nisar ne kitne paise liye the is 2 minute ki video ke;)
 

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