Knowledge Seeker

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khanpanni said:
Sooner or later T. Qadri has to stand in front of Allah the kind of Islam he was spreading . He is taking away from the people from basic of Islam.
My personal Islam is simple basic Nemaz, Roza, zekat , Kharat , Haij[/B] read queran by your own and search the meaning in Queran and then Hadies
if you have time after earning your bread.
His act is not different then the christain Pope in Rome and who gives him the authority to represent our religion in his way ? Allah has not given any authority to our Prophet(PBUH) to act on mankind. May Allah forgive us all, wasalam. . . . .. ..!


It would be fair for you to stick with your personal Islam instead of becoming part of Propaganda promotion of Mr. Tauseef Ur Rehman against other Schools of Thought and their respected personalities.
 

Muhammad Afzal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
@ Muhammad Afzal



Did you ever see a Gaddi Nasheen or a Braveli Aalim preaching that "Ask to the graves BUT not ALLAH ((Astagh-fir-Ullah))...........NO...........This is only Jahiliat what SOME people do at the graves, e.g Sjda or any kufriana amal ((Astagh-fir-Ullah)) which is not acceptable act for every educated Bralvi.

The main thing is WASEELA and we ONLY ask ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT not the graves.

What did you do when you saw those women touching he bellies and saying "aj te beta le kar hi jana hai".................just laugh or must want to kill them and mention only over the internet to degrade the Mazar's.........as your master's Taliban does.......instead of try to explain them that "Behan Jee this is wrong what you saying".



This is past and we can only remember these thing and feel a shame if we CAN.....................But tell me that who is responsible for too many innocent people died in last few years in Pakistan because of these bloody Talibans.................who is responsible for that...................not Amirica but, only and only deobandi/wahabi Talibans who are playing in their hands.




ohhhh yeah..................go and try to find and let me know when you find the right one, which you think 100% right firqa..............The Right Firqa is...............Just Love ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT and beloved Prophet of ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT our Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam)..............................Imagine Shaan-e-Mustafa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) that ALLAH ALMIGHTY sends HIMSELF Durood at HIS Beloved Rasool (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam).................Subhaan ALLAH...............Who and what we are to say that Durood-o-Salaam and Mehfil-e-Naat is wrong deed..................................I really feel pity on you.

For your Information eating HALWA is a Sweet Sunnah of our Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam)................my belief is that, if I eat something nice, that is my KISMAT and you should know that Wahabi/Deobandi thinks that eating a CROW (Kawwa) is Halal.......... That's your/their Kismat [/SIZE][/CENTER][/B]

NOW YOU WANT TO START IT MURSHAD GEE. Just you won't give up like the people of Makkah. One example for people like you, when Abu Talib was on his death bed, Prophert Muhammad SWM went to him and asked him to accept HIS SWM deen, but for a moment he kept quite and than replied I can't leave the deen of Abdul Mutalib. (Now come up with the issue that Abu Talib died as a muslim and he read Muhammad SWM nikkah with Amma Khadija RA ) So no words for you. I will only refer Surah Kafirun at this moment. Your deen to you and my deen to me. Honestly when I talk to non muslims they listen and they acknowledge that our deen is Haque, but Wullahe our muslims brothers their hearts are made of stones.

Don't you read my reply, you opinionated, sycophant. I said what is more important in life, those bidats and shirkia rituals or spreading Allah's deen. Your so called gaddi nasheen or alim i know what they say and what they don't. Only a minority of uleema's from your sect, don't say to worship graves. But show me a place where they stop people doing this. If your so called crocks gadi nasheen started stopping people, their business will be closed and they will be bankrupt. That means no more Halway's, Nazar o Niaz, etc etc. Don't tell me what i could have done, while seeeing the lady rubbing her belly. What is the duty of your so called uleema who stand their at the mazar while people kissing the graves. (if you denny this issue, than i will upload the video that is on this forum to referesh your memory where your so called gaddi nasheen and uleema are standing and people kissing and doing sajada to kabir)

You say spain was past. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT. Differnce between wise person and A JAHIL is that wise person learn lesson from their past and others do nothing and eat Halwa and get satisfied. Why do you think Allah mentioned stories of previous prophets in the quran. Was it just past stories or Allah wanted us to learn some lesson from it.

Oh yeah......... you mean you can't find the right people. you need to ask Allah with sincerity of your heart and Allah will guide you. But there is a pre requisite to it. Stop eating and seeing Haram, follow the sunnah and make your appearence Muhammad SWM like and InshAllah Allah will guide you. You have to show your love to Allah and HIS Nabi SWM. just the words PIYARAY ALLAH OR PIYARAY RASOOL SWM will not do the job. You live in Ireland let me see if you love Muhammad SWM than adopt Sunnah on your six feet body and than talk. You quote too many Hadees, lets see if you can talk to your next door neighbour about islam. Every body in this forum wanted to proof his knowledge about Islam by cut and paste. But no practical thing. Allah tells us in the Quran " O People why do you say things which you don't do." you show your love for Nabi SWM, lets follow what HIS SWM greatest concern was for the ummah. Definitely not Halwa.

I wanted to reply for the last part, but i think you can't handle the truth because of your mindset. So lets forget about it.
 
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Murshad Jee

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If you feel happy calling me a jahil for my love for Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) then I am a Jahil and proud to be a jahil and would love to die as a jahil like that.

Your problem is that you's (Deobandi/Wahabi) are internet and fasadi mullas. You hate when you see someone saying Durood-o-Salaam and Naat-Shareef in the love of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam).


you can stop us, doing this only by killing us (your normal job) with your suicide bombers who get certificate of Jannat by your fasadi mullas

BUT

HOW CAN you stop ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT to love and sending Durood-o-Salaam at HIS Beloved Rasool (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam).

For your information...............saying Durood-o-Salaam is one and only Sunna of ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.

You's (Deobandi/Wahabi) just want to go Direct to ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT but there is something in between us and ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT and that is Waseelah, Waseelah of Muhammed-e-Mustafa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) and without this Waseelah you can not reach to ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.

Your fasadi mullahs always preach that Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) is dead and after death their story is finish (Astagh-fir-Ullah)
BUT
You's don't realise that whenever you's say pray you accept that Rasool Allah (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) is alive by saying that "Assalam-u-Alaika Ayyuhan-Nabiyyu"
because
we say Assalam-u-Alaika to only alive person not the dead person.
but
you and your mullahs has actually stone heart and your hearts has a BIG LOCK by ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.
And you's send Durood-o-Salaam at Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in your prays but in your preaches you declare this is Bidat...........funny inne........huhhhh

I said what is more important in life, those bidats and shirkia rituals or spreading Allah's deen. Your so called gaddi nasheen or alim i know what they say and what they don't. Only a minority of uleema's from your sect, don't say to worship graves. But show me a place where they stop people doing this

Listen to this with an open heart.


For your info if visiting Mazars of Auliya-e-Kiraam and kissing their graves is bidat then I am very happy to doing this bidat.

your point is we should put our heads down to only ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT..........Of course I accept that but can you tell me when you goes to a hairdresser to cut your hears why you put your head down in front of him.....................is that not bidat..........in your point of view
and
if you don't put your head down then he gives you a slap in the back of your head to put it down.................and you do................amazing is or not.............double standard.

As you said in you second last post
Why i am talking like that to some of the issues of innovations, By Allah i have seen so much that you cannot imagine. Lets say for example Hazarat Ali Hajveri (RA), what was his purpose and mission in Life, and what he preached. His hard work and sacrifice made my fore fathers muslims and I do acknowledge that and have respect for him. But to fulfill Aqidat, I will not leave my Aqidah.

Just read yourself Hazrat Ali Hajveri (RA)'s book "Kashaf Al Mahjub" and decide who is right and who is wrong.

http://www.quran4u.com/Kashf/002%20Cont.htm
 

Muhammad Afzal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Your problem is that you's (Deobandi/Wahabi) are internet and fasadi mullas. You hate when you see someone saying Durood-o-Salaam and Naat-Shareef in the love of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam).
you can stop us, doing this only by killing us (your normal job) with your suicide bombers who get certificate of Jannat by your fasadi mullas

BUT

HOW CAN you stop ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT to love and sending Durood-o-Salaam at HIS Beloved Rasool (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam).

For your information...............saying Durood-o-Salaam is one and only Sunna of ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.
Your fasadi mullahs always preach that Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) is dead and after death their story is finish (Astagh-fir-Ullah)
BUT You's don't realise that whenever you's say pray you accept that Rasool Allah (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) is alive by saying that "Assalam-u-Alaika Ayyuhan-Nabiyyu"
because we say Assalam-u-Alaika to only alive person not the dead person.
but you and your mullahs has actually stone heart and your hearts has a BIG LOCK by ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.
And you's send Durood-o-Salaam at Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) in your prays but in your preaches you declare this is Bidat...........funny inne........huhhhh


For your info if visiting Mazars of Auliya-e-Kiraam and kissing their graves is bidat then I am very happy to doing this bidat.
your point is we should put our heads down to only ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT..........Of course I accept that but can you tell me when you goes to a hairdresser to cut your hears why you put your head down in front of him.....................is that not bidat..........in your point of view
and if you don't put your head down then he gives you a slap in the back of your head to put it down.................and you do................amazing is or not.............double standard.
As you said in you second last post Just read yourself Hazrat Ali Hajveri (RA)'s book "Kashaf Al Mahjub" and decide who is right and who is wrong.

You can go and do sajoods to anyone you want. Hahahahahah what an example of "barbar and hair cut". I think you got lot of slaps on your back, thats why you will bow your head to anybody who will show you a slap. Please Don't proof your self otherwise. If our Nabi SWM prohibited us from doing that we would have not done it By Allah. But Yar waqai aap Mahan ho, you can go to any length to proof your point. I recall the incident of Sahaba when they were summoned to come to Najashi the Christian king, and they did not bowed infront of him, and he raised objection. They replied we do not bow our head to anyone other than our Allah. So be my guest and be prepared to face the consequences. Because according to your philiosophy Sahaba didnot knew about this and mullahs of today are more knowedlgeable about deen.

This is what you said about Sunnah (For your information...............saying Durood-o-Salaam is one and only Sunna of ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT) Bhai sahib I hope you didn't mean it what you said. Otherwise you will proof my point. Yar this is second one from you, first the Barber story, second about "ONE AND ONLY SUNNAH OF ALLAH". Yar i think mujhe maf kar dein, me waqai aap see baat nehi kar sakta. Aap waqai Mahan ho. but mein is baat ka jawab diya beghir chup nehi reh saqta. Answer me than why did Allah bother sending the entire Quran, in which HE mentioned how we will spend our life. And than HE sent HIS Prophets roughly 124,000, and to seal the prophets chain HE sent Muhammad SWM and put HIM to HARDSHIP. Otherwise Allah would have just told his people read Darood, say naat and eat halwa, do sajoods to graves and thats it. (MAshALLAH)

Yar you talk about Wahabi/deobandi uleema. Have you read the history of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi. Please research how and who created barelvism and Ahmedism. Who he was, who his forefathers was. What about his writings about different issues of Ummah. Please research that and than talk. And one very important question that you say we kill people etc etc. Please tell me why to the western governments Barelvi, Suffi, Ahmedi and Shia school of thought is acceptable. They don't have any problem to these sects. let me make your job easy. Because they know only maulvis of this sects can be bought by Yahood or Nasara. Thye don't fear Islam followed by these sects. They new they will throw some peices of bread and they will give the fatwa according to thier wishes. Thats why they put Shia goverment in Iraq, a Barelvi person in Afghansitan. Why haven't they attacked Iran so far. I am giving you a thought no it is upto you to know about it.

And I told you please don't post Tahir qadir's video. Thirty years of my life I have heard him. May be you were an Infant since i know this person. Do your own research and read the books and make decision accordingly. Don't follow these people blindly.
 
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Murshad Jee

Guest
As you said this..........
"Otherwise Allah would have just told his people read Darood"


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. إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا

بیشک اللہ اور ا س کے (سب) فرشتے نبیِ (مکرمّ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) پر درود بھیجتے رہتے ہیں، اے ایمان والو! تم (بھی) اُن پر درود بھیجا کرو اور خوب سلام بھیجا کرو

Surely Allah and (all) His angels invoke blessings and greetings on the Holy Prophet [blessings and peace be upon him]. O Believers! You (also) send blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation of peace abundantly (and fervently).
Sura al-Ahzāb: 56

Could you please tell me about This Ayat-e-Mubarika from Quran-e-Pak, What ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT ordering us to do?​
 
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Murshad Jee

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Can you explain the above expression of yours, your own views and no cut and paste. So this Ayat is enough and give solution to everything.

I have to paste the proof from Quran-e-Pak that saying Durood-o-Salaam is Sunnah of ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.

for the people like you who has thick head, I don't have time to waste because, you heart is locked by ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.......(That is my view.......Happy now?).
 

worldofmanda

New Member
Do you even know Arabic language

Brother Ghias

I am sorry if anyone here hurt your feelings including me, but we stood up against these fasadies who translate Ahadith-e-Mubarika of Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) according to their mindset and spreading dis-information through their copy and paste mission.

If you go through all the posts we (Bralvi school of thought) tried to explain that Piyaray Aaqa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) can be seen in the dream, according to Ahadith-e-Mubarika.

No one is proper Muslim until he/she love Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) more than everything in this entire world including families. So we just stood up against these fasadies who are double faced and having feelings that Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam)'s story is finish after their wisaal...............(Ma'Az ALLAH) (Astagh-fir-Ullah).

They just say prays many times a day, but never realise that in their every pray they accept that Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) is Hidir-o-Nazir, by saying that...........{Assalam-u-Alaika YA Ayyuhan Nabiyyu} but when they finish pray then, satan control them again and make them to declare that { YA } is used for only alive or present person but Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) is not present and dead like an ordinary person.......................(Ma'Az ALLAH) (Astagh-fir-Ullah)

So brother please be realistic and try to understand our point.

and keep in your mind that who ever dis-respect Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) is not muslim and we should not hesitate to call him/her Kafir.

Jazaak ALLAH Khair


we say in darood and prayers "{Assalam-u-Alaika YA Ayyuhan Nabiyyu}" but do you even know the arabic language or you just repeating what tahir-ul-qadri said? it is refering to Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihe Wassalam) but not the way you imply. if you really want to make point then first you should know the originating language. tahir-ul-qadri makes many false clams. Allah hu allam
 

rajakhanmd

Senator (1k+ posts)
Most of the scholars, not just Qadri Sb consider suicidal attacks as happening in Pakistan as un-Islamic. Suicidal attacks carried out by Afghans against US soldiers is a disputed matter.

I am unable to understand the logic and reasoning behind TRUSTING USA on this so called war on terror. We are being pushed towards civil fight with every passing day. Now as the US plans attack on Kandhar, they want us to go in NW.

TTP is a threat to Pakistan but I consider USA a bigger threat. I cannot find the answers of so many questions.Who is providing artillery to TTP? And, US if not involved directly in it, does not know about this?We reached a peace accord with Naek Mohammad, sabotaged by US targeting and killing Naek Mohammad.We reached a peace accord in Bajour, sabotaged by US attacking a madrassha and killing more than 70, majority children. US wants to leave Afghanistan but is building a huge complex in Islamabad? And, also wants to build a consulate or something in Quetta?

I personally believe that its better to die once in your life than dying every day.
 
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Murshad Jee

Guest
Also if he is kind enough to shed some islamic light on drones attacks and innocent people who are being killed as the result of these attacks


انہوں نے مزید کہا کہ دنیا بھر میں مسلمانوں پر ہونے والی جارحیت کشمیر، فلسطین ، عراق اور افغانستان میں ہونے والی فوج کشی کی بھر پور مزمت کرتے ہیں
کسی بھی مذہب یا ملک سے تعلق رکھنے والے انسانوں کی قتل و غارت گری اور دہشت گردی اسلام کے اصولوں سے صریحا انحراف ہے
دہشت گرد عناصر پاکستان مخالف قوتوں کے آلہ کار بنے ہوے ہیں




Molana Tahir ul Qadri covered everything in his fatwa, If you can read these word (in red) carefully..................you'll understand..................only, if you want to.
 

Ammar isb

Councller (250+ posts)
The fatwa of Tahir ul Qadri must be shared with all sects, one of the prime reasons why extremism has continued to prosper is the failure of clergy to unite and unanimously condemn such acts of violence. Islam has no room for extremism it is a religion of peace and harmony.
 

Muhammad Afzal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I have to paste the proof from Quran-e-Pak that saying Durood-o-Salaam is Sunnah of ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.

for the people like you who has thick head, I don't have time to waste because, you heart is locked by ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT.......(That is my view.......Happy now?).


Allah will decide whose heart is sealed. so you don't have to worry about that.
 

kashnex

Councller (250+ posts)
Al-Humdulillah!
May Allah bless others and show them the right path so that they can also accept the reality and divinity of Islam.
 

mhkhan1988

Citizen
in shaa Allaahu taala Dr. Tahir ul Qadri will stopp dancing himself and his followers.
May Allaah Guide All Sufis to the right path of Islaam. Ameen
 
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khan125

Guest
in shaa Allaahu taala Dr. Tahir ul Qadri will stopp dancing himself and his followers.
May Allaah Guide All Sufis to the right path of Islaam. Ameen

Another Wahabi ,Takfeeri Hate Monger............Apna maloom nhi k halal ka he ya haram ka ore batin daikho:angry_smile::angry_smile::angry_smile:

sufiaya kram ke barey me bakwaas kr rahe he............lanati shakhs
 

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