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Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hahaha...you still at it man? You sure have a lot of time for someone who is extremely busy in "saving Pakistan"

I am a delivery driver so I can have these fruitful discussions while being at work. What kind of work do you do. You seem to be a very knowledgeable person. I am sure you would have passed F.A?
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Citizen X SOS !!!

Please come to rescue !!!
On a serious note there is no point in having a discussion with you, because you come to the table with the don't bother me with the facts because my mind is already made up mindset.

You don't come with a open and unbiased mind, you carry the notion that these people are lazy, want to get drunk out of their minds, snort cocaine till the morning light and fuck bitches all day and all night long. So they have come up with a revisionist version of Islam that lets them do all of this legitimately and without a guilty conscious. Forgetting that out of my 40 plus years of life. I was a card carry member of traditional Islam, trying my best pray all 5 namazs daily, who looked forward to ramadan fasted all my 30 days in ramadan since I hit double digits of age plus the extra of shawal because felt sad when it was other and others like on arafat day, did the Hajj, zakat, fitrana. Hitting all those imaginary pillars of Islam and then some. I've only been a "kaffir" for hardly 3 years now. And it was not an easy path to tread by any means filled with doubt, fear and trepidation. Once of the most difficult things I have done in my life. But Alhamdulilah the Quran came to my rescue at every stage.

When your only agenda is to prove the others wrong rather and shove your POV down others throat rather than even remotely entertain the notion that there might be some credence to what the other is saying.

I know where you are coming from. Because this was exactly who I was, man WTF is wrong with guy, how can he even say he doesn't believe in the hadith, ASTAGHFIRULLAH WHAT A KAFIR. Right here on this forum itself. I gave Wake up Pak more shit on this subject that you can ever imagine! And all of it is recorded right here in these forums. (To his credit, he never gave up and now I know what he felt like)

I got so tired of his ass and set off to study hadith sciences, about how they were collected, who collected them, their authenticity, classifications so on so forth so I that had a firm grip in real knowledge and could beat down wake up pak with real facts and shut him up for once and for all. And I told you before too once something peaks my interest I dive head long into it ( currently I am fascinated with the death penalty and the process and methods of how inmates are executed by the various countries )

So the more I dove down into hadith, the more I realized on what shaky grounds hadith was standing on and how unreliable and uncredible they were. Majority of it was from traditional Sunni Pro Hadith sources And about after of studying the subject 2.5 to 3 years I was fully convinced hadith AT BEST, at its PEAK VALUE is nothing more than vague unverifiable early Islamic history and normal nothing but garbage.

So yeah, trying to have a "conversation" with the likes of you is trying to convince a patwari Nawaz Sharif is not corrupt and that only he can save Pakistan.

P.S : I am one of the very few people here you will find who has actually read the entire 9 volumes of Sahih Bhukari cover to cover. And this was way before, around early 2000s and I actually got in fights with my friends saying they had too liement view of Islam because Bhukari says this and Bhukari says that. So unlike the majority here most probably you too I am not defending or trashing something I don't know about or have even read and just doing it because I was told to do so.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
On a serious note there is no point in having a discussion with you, because you come to the table with the don't bother me with the facts because my mind is already made up mindset.

You don't come with a open and unbiased mind, you carry the notion that these people are lazy, want to get drunk out of their minds, snort cocaine till the morning light and fuck bitches all day and all night long. So they have come up with a revisionist version of Islam that lets them do all of this legitimately and without a guilty conscious. Forgetting that out of my 40 plus years of life. I was a card carry member of traditional Islam, trying my best pray all 5 namazs daily, who looked forward to ramadan fasted all my 30 days in ramadan since I hit double digits of age plus the extra of shawal because felt sad when it was other and others like on arafat day, did the Hajj, zakat, fitrana. Hitting all those imaginary pillars of Islam and then some. I've only been a "kaffir" for hardly 3 years now. And it was not an easy path to tread by any means filled with doubt, fear and trepidation. Once of the most difficult things I have done in my life. But Alhamdulilah the Quran came to my rescue at every stage.

When your only agenda is to prove the others wrong rather and shove your POV down others throat rather than even remotely entertain the notion that there might be some credence to what the other is saying.

I know where you are coming from. Because this was exactly who I was, man WTF is wrong with guy, how can he even say he doesn't believe in the hadith, ASTAGHFIRULLAH WHAT A KAFIR. Right here on this forum itself. I gave Wake up Pak more shit on this subject that you can ever imagine! And all of it is recorded right here in these forums. (To his credit, he never gave up and now I know what he felt like)

I got so tired of his ass and set off to study hadith sciences, about how they were collected, who collected them, their authenticity, classifications so on so forth so I that had a firm grip in real knowledge and could beat down wake up pak with real facts and shut him up for once and for all. And I told you before too once something peaks my interest I dive head long into it ( currently I am fascinated with the death penalty and the process and methods of how inmates are executed by the vario us countries )

So the more I dove down into hadith, the more I realized on what shaky grounds hadith was standing on and how unreliable and uncredible they were. Majority of it was from traditional Sunni Pro Hadith sources And about after of studying the subject 2.5 to 3 years I was fully convinced hadith AT BEST, at its PEAK VALUE is nothing more than vague unverifiable early Islamic history and normal nothing but garbage.

So yeah, trying to have a "conversation" with the likes of you is trying to convince a patwari Nawaz Sharif is not corrupt and that only he can save Pakistan.

P.S : I am one of the very few people here you will find who has actually read the entire 9 volumes of Sahih Bhukari cover to cover. And this was way before, around early 2000s and I actually got in fights with my friends saying they had too liement view of Islam because Bhukari says this and Bhukari says that. So unlike the majority here most probably you too I am not defending or trashing something I don't know about or have even read and just doing it because I was told to do so.
There is no need to write such a lengthy reply, as he is deficient in grasping the very basic one-liner & self-explanatory verses of the Quran.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
There is no need to write such a lengthy reply, as he is deficient in grasping the very basic one-liner & self-explanatory verses of the Quran.
I somehow have a feeling he might actually read it. I play nice with people. I'm the good cop in thie good cop bad cop scenario 😁

I haven't been at this long enough, so still have some patience left in me, even my friend Yasir Ad Daa'e is like that, I've told him many times, you cannot preach the word of Allah and then be like this. He says for after how long he has to deal with such people, he cannot tolerate them at all. His comment section specially in his tiktok are hilarious! lol

Maybe after sometime I will also become like you guys 😃 Think I'm already slowing moving in that direction. 🥴
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
On a serious note there is no point in having a discussion with you, because you come to the table with the don't bother me with the facts because my mind is already made up mindset.

You don't come with a open and unbiased mind, you carry the notion that these people are lazy, want to get drunk out of their minds, snort cocaine till the morning light and fuck bitches all day and all night long. So they have come up with a revisionist version of Islam that lets them do all of this legitimately and without a guilty conscious. Forgetting that out of my 40 plus years of life. I was a card carry member of traditional Islam, trying my best pray all 5 namazs daily, who looked forward to ramadan fasted all my 30 days in ramadan since I hit double digits of age plus the extra of shawal because felt sad when it was other and others like on arafat day, did the Hajj, zakat, fitrana. Hitting all those imaginary pillars of Islam and then some. I've only been a "kaffir" for hardly 3 years now. And it was not an easy path to tread by any means filled with doubt, fear and trepidation. Once of the most difficult things I have done in my life. But Alhamdulilah the Quran came to my rescue at every stage.

When your only agenda is to prove the others wrong rather and shove your POV down others throat rather than even remotely entertain the notion that there might be some credence to what the other is saying.

I know where you are coming from. Because this was exactly who I was, man WTF is wrong with guy, how can he even say he doesn't believe in the hadith, ASTAGHFIRULLAH WHAT A KAFIR. Right here on this forum itself. I gave Wake up Pak more shit on this subject that you can ever imagine! And all of it is recorded right here in these forums. (To his credit, he never gave up and now I know what he felt like)

I got so tired of his ass and set off to study hadith sciences, about how they were collected, who collected them, their authenticity, classifications so on so forth so I that had a firm grip in real knowledge and could beat down wake up pak with real facts and shut him up for once and for all. And I told you before too once something peaks my interest I dive head long into it ( currently I am fascinated with the death penalty and the process and methods of how inmates are executed by the various countries )

So the more I dove down into hadith, the more I realized on what shaky grounds hadith was standing on and how unreliable and uncredible they were. Majority of it was from traditional Sunni Pro Hadith sources And about after of studying the subject 2.5 to 3 years I was fully convinced hadith AT BEST, at its PEAK VALUE is nothing more than vague unverifiable early Islamic history and normal nothing but garbage.

So yeah, trying to have a "conversation" with the likes of you is trying to convince a patwari Nawaz Sharif is not corrupt and that only he can save Pakistan.

P.S : I am one of the very few people here you will find who has actually read the entire 9 volumes of Sahih Bhukari cover to cover. And this was way before, around early 2000s and I actually got in fights with my friends saying they had too liement view of Islam because Bhukari says this and Bhukari says that. So unlike the majority here most probably you too I am not defending or trashing something I don't know about or have even read and just doing it because I was told to do so.

I must thank you and Wake up Pak for your very clear arguments. You first answered in detail my questions about astronomy and now have opened my eyes to real Islam. For this I am grateful to you. Lastly I request you to point to me the way to learn English language as my language skills are not good and people criticise me that even with 12 years of full time study I am not able to communicate properly in English language.
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This video is sufficient for your understanding of salat.
But again, I need to know how you perform the Namaz. Try to answer and do not run away with useless and irrational questions.


Just saw this video which was probably added later. I am speechless man. Who is this genius in the video? I mean really a genius. What an explanation and - Meaning of Salat is two way connection and you can use wired, wireless, spiritual, meditative or any type of connection and dial any number for that. I have seen many geniuses but this genius in the video tops them all. Who is he and where was he hiding all this time?

P.S: It is time for me to watch some television (No you got it wrong there. I am going to look at a far off sight).
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I must thank you and Wake up Pak for your very clear arguments. You first answered in detail my questions about astronomy and now have opened my eyes to real Islam. For this I am grateful to you. Lastly I request you to point to me the way to learn English language as my language skills are not good and people criticise me that even with 12 years of full time study I am not able to communicate properly in English language.
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FFS! You think everyone is an idiot don't you. Guess I deserve it for wasting my time with you.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Just saw this video which was probably added later. I am speechless man. Who is this genius in the video? I mean really a genius. What an explanation and - Meaning of Salat is two way connection and you can use wired, wireless, spiritual, meditative or any type of connection and dial any number for that. I have seen many geniuses but this genius in the video tops them all. Who is he and where was he hiding all this time?

P.S: It is time for me to watch some television (No you got it wrong there. I am going to look at a far off sight).
How is your job as a delivery driver going? I hope you are not making any mistakes with customers' orders. 🤣 🤣
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I never degrade any job & all jobs are respectable. I do online trading, usually Forex & Futures.

Nor do I. Even with my high paying white collar job I do not belittle anyone including those earning money online.

P.S: You should try to find a real job. Such online hobbies lower your IQ and diminish your analytical skills.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Nor do I. Even with my high paying white collar job I do not belittle anyone including those earning money online.
Delivering goods or services may not be your area of expertise. You may want to consider focusing on a high-paying white-collar job, where you can excel and achieve your full potential.
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Delivering goods or services may not be your area of expertise. You may want to consider focusing on a high-paying white-collar job, where you can excel and achieve your full potential.

I am saving my 'potential' for life after death. This life is too short to go through the trouble of unlocking the securely locked potential. It may also be dangerous just like overclocking a processor.

Citizen X and Dr Adam have managed to unseal all their locked up potential. They will have nothing to do than to eat grapes or amorously play with Hoors in the next life.
 
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Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I am saving my 'potential' for life after death. This life is too short to go through the trouble of unlocking the securely locked potential.

Citizen X and Dr Adam have managed to unseal all their locked up potential. They will have nothing to do than to eat grapes or amorously play with Hoors in the next life.
And what sort of potential would you be saving for life after death?
Don't you want to eat grapes & amorously play with 70000 virgin Hoors in the next life as per your authentic Ahadith?🤣
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
And what sort of potential would you be saving for life after death?
Don't you want to eat grapes & amorously play with 70000 Hoors in the next life as per your authentic Ahadith?🤣

Men with the highest level of unlocked potential are lured by such pleasures of life and I am no exception however there must be time for intellectual pursuits as well.

BTW you had me initially but that video was really disappointing - Even a child would tear those silly arguments to pieces.
 

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