Empty churches have promoted moral debauchery & licentiousness in the West.

Saladin A

Minister (2k+ posts)
Islamic point of view is that religion is not something added to the nature of man by accident but he is born with it. It is not luxury but the very raison d’être of human existence. And, it is religion, alone which bestows upon human life its dignity, which allows man to live the fullness of the reality or nature of which Allah Has bestowed upon him and which alone provides ultimate meaning to human life. We the Muslims see religion as necessary and necessary for human existence.

Islam envisages religion as not just a part of life but as the whole of it. AI-Islam or al-din sees itself as life itself and it incorporates what we do, what we make, what we think, what we feel as well as address the question of where we come from and where we are going. That is why Islamic religion always uses the term al-din as embracing all facets of human life leaving nothing outside its dominion. In the traditional Islamic perspective, there is nothing secular, nothing outside the realm that is governed by religion ordained by Allah. Islamic doctrine is based on revealing the total Nature of Divinity Who is the One without a partner and Who has created everything from the very insignificant crawling worm to the vastest galaxy to mysterious black holes that pull the biggest stars to oblivion and not created? He is One and Only and never begets and nor was begotten and is that is the heart of the Islamic message and the first article of our faith. .Islam came to the world so that man could know the Unity of Allah and His Splendour, Magnificence, Omnificent and Omnipresence.

The reason that Christianity is in decline and the churches are empty is because the Church has compromised its values and morality with modern social changes in Western societies. Secularism and democracy encourage materialism, greed, immorality and unbridled lewdness. The Church has become timid, compromising and self-consoling confronting filthy liberalism that has led devilish men to exploit the needy and ooze them out completely from their Christian beliefs. A man can go to a Sunday mass half or fully drunken or with a bottle of whisky in his pocket and carry a packet of condoms to use and have illicit sex with his girlfriend in the nearest spot available irrespective of a lot of worshipper walking past him.

Western society has become so liberal and immoral that young boys and girls are producing illegitimate children as young as 10-11 years old; every young girl in five is giving birth to an illegitimate baby; young and adults indulge in illicit sex anywhere and everywhere as long as their physical and sexual needs find an outlet. Their society has become secular and materialistic and worship money more than God. It is this duplicity and compromising attitude of the Church that attracts many in China and India, Africa to Christianity to have sexual freedom and follow a debauched way of life.
 

Wake up Pak

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The reason that Christianity is in decline and the churches are empty is because the Church has compromised its values and morality with modern social changes in Western societies. Secularism and democracy encourage materialism, greed, immorality and unbridled lewdness. The Church has become timid, compromising and self-consoling confronting filthy liberalism that has led devilish men to exploit the needy and ooze them out completely from their Christian beliefs. A man can go to a Sunday mass half or fully drunken or with a bottle of whisky in his pocket and carry a packet of condoms to use and have illicit sex with his girlfriend in the nearest spot available irrespective of a lot of worshipper walking past him.
This paragraph fits most of your today's Muslims and Mosques/Madrassa.
Instead of bashing/criticizing Christianity, you should evaluate today's Islam, which contradicts the Islam of the Quran.
 

Saladin A

Minister (2k+ posts)
This paragraph fits most of your today's Muslims and Mosques/Madrassa.
Instead of bashing/criticizing Christianity, you should evaluate today's Islam, which contradicts the Islam of the Quran.
This is your subjective view. Islam is the most rapidly spreading religion in the West because of its glorious teachings and emphasis on piety, nobility and following the right path and ultimate Truth and Reality. Those who deviate from its glorious teaching are a dark stain on Islamic theology and morality.
 

Wake up Pak

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This is your subjective view. Islam is the most rapidly spreading religion in the West because of its glorious teachings and emphasis on piety, nobility and following the right path and ultimate Truth and Reality. Those who deviate from its glorious teaching are a dark stain on Islamic theology and morality.
What Islam is spreading rapidly in the West? A Sunni, Shia, or Qadiani etc.
Regrettably, people like you are more emotional than pragmatic.
How many Muslims follow the Quran's teachings of piety, nobility, and the right path?
 

Citizen X

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Islamic point of view is that religion is not something added to the nature of man by accident but he is born with it. It is not luxury but the very raison d’être of human existence. And, it is religion, alone which bestows upon human life its dignity, which allows man to live the fullness of the reality or nature of which Allah Has bestowed upon him and which alone provides ultimate meaning to human life. We the Muslims see religion as necessary and necessary for human existence.

Islam envisages religion as not just a part of life but as the whole of it. AI-Islam or al-din sees itself as life itself and it incorporates what we do, what we make, what we think, what we feel as well as address the question of where we come from and where we are going. That is why Islamic religion always uses the term al-din as embracing all facets of human life leaving nothing outside its dominion. In the traditional Islamic perspective, there is nothing secular, nothing outside the realm that is governed by religion ordained by Allah. Islamic doctrine is based on revealing the total Nature of Divinity Who is the One without a partner and Who has created everything from the very insignificant crawling worm to the vastest galaxy to mysterious black holes that pull the biggest stars to oblivion and not created? He is One and Only and never begets and nor was begotten and is that is the heart of the Islamic message and the first article of our faith. .Islam came to the world so that man could know the Unity of Allah and His Splendour, Magnificence, Omnificent and Omnipresence.

The reason that Christianity is in decline and the churches are empty is because the Church has compromised its values and morality with modern social changes in Western societies. Secularism and democracy encourage materialism, greed, immorality and unbridled lewdness. The Church has become timid, compromising and self-consoling confronting filthy liberalism that has led devilish men to exploit the needy and ooze them out completely from their Christian beliefs. A man can go to a Sunday mass half or fully drunken or with a bottle of whisky in his pocket and carry a packet of condoms to use and have illicit sex with his girlfriend in the nearest spot available irrespective of a lot of worshipper walking past him.

Western society has become so liberal and immoral that young boys and girls are producing illegitimate children as young as 10-11 years old; every young girl in five is giving birth to an illegitimate baby; young and adults indulge in illicit sex anywhere and everywhere as long as their physical and sexual needs find an outlet. Their society has become secular and materialistic and worship money more than God. It is this duplicity and compromising attitude of the Church that attracts many in China and India, Africa to Christianity to have sexual freedom and follow a debauched way of life.
Oh please keep your holier than thou atitude to yourself, by showing others down and claiming you are the bestest lumber 1 muslims in the world you wont actually become lumber 1

Say whatever you want to say. Western countries are still a 1000 times better than so called muslim countries, they still have rule of law, basic ethics and morality are on a much higher level than your Pakistan ka matlab kya la ilaha ill lalah.

Forget anyone else take our own country for example no where in the west will you find people literally scrapping grease from sewers, refining it and then selling it as cooking oil, mixing bleech and other very toxic chemicals in for all things milk! Where people with beards down till their belly buttons, just bang their heads on the floor 5 times and think they are done for the day and go back to robbing people, everyone is a tax chor yet want all the govt facilities, bribery rampant in every part of society, if someone is not defrauding or robbing someone is because he can't and will do on the first available opportunity. Where even the most basic human rights don't exist

Kya faida tumhari 5 waqt ki namaz ka when the entire nation is morally corrupt to the bone. Shit I've seen with my own eyes make me shudder. Our own property became target of kabza mafia, its a good thing we have contacts and could afford it and got it back without too much hassle.

Of course the west has its problems, no society is perfect, but if it wasn't better than ours, people wouldnt be leaving in droves to it.

I could go on and on but I think just this small example is enough to highlight the stupidity of your thread.
 

Citizen X

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Islam is the most rapidly spreading religion in the West
Yes that is true and as they say God works in mysterious ways, due to this current Gaza War 1000 more are looking into the deen, my social media is flooded by westerners who are picking up the Quran for the first time and absolutely gob smacked. So even in the worst of times, there is hikma in Allah's doing.

But the point is and which should be the should, they are all attracted to, converting to or most probably soon will become Muslims after reading the Quran, the one and only book of Allah till the end of time, none of them are doing anything of that after reading the hadith, or going to your mosques. It is Allah's words that is opening up their hearts.

If the started reading only the hadith or going to your mosques first they would quickly run away from Islam thinking it was a big mistake to even think about it.
 

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