Ever escalating street crime rates in karachi

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
Dear Friends....

Assalamualaikum

Here on this forum, I would like to draw your attention towards ever escalating crime rate in karachi...

A couple of days back, a little girl was shot in the head when her father was instructed to stop the car by robbers...

Every day two-three people get injured by these robbers and one or two die....

If one of these people is beaten or set on fire by the public, the police is the first one to arrive and save them...

MQM and NGOs and TV channels who are making a lot of hue and cry on conditions of Swat are quiet on Karachi!!!!!!!! Why this hypocrisy???

Please raise this issue on every forum... every where ....

The citizens of Karachi are almost hostage to these criminals... please help us...

We can not walk a few yards on streets safely!!!

Will remain grateful ........
 

khans141

Citizen
No one is talking against the street crimes in karachi just because these robbers belongs to MQM, that's why no one want them to become their enemies and everyone knows when these MQM mafia people become someone's enemy then that person has no right to live in Karachi or die............
I feel so sorry for our beloved city Karachi being hostage by MQM mafia.
Just make sure in Next election do not support them please, because this party only wants to break Pakistan and make karachi a separate state and they choose the name for that country is ''Republic of Jinnahpur''
Insha Allah before they do something to our motherland we will break them.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
khans141 said:
No one is talking against the street crimes in karachi just because these robbers belongs to MQM, that's why no one want them to become their enemies and everyone knows when these MQM mafia people become someone's enemy then that person has no right to live in Karachi or die............
I feel so sorry for our beloved city Karachi being hostage by MQM mafia.
Just make sure in Next election do not support them please, because this party only wants to break Pakistan and make karachi a separate state and they choose the name for that country is ''Republic of Jinnahpur''
Insha Allah before they do something to our motherland we will break them.


I love MQM.
These tribal area criminals must be kicked out.


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The rise of the Taliban, the fall of Karachi
In the national interest

Monday, March 30, 2009
Kamal Siddiqi

The writer is editor reporting, The News

Earlier this week, a family friend got off from her car and walked to a chemists shop in a busy shopping area of Karachi. She was wearing a normal shalwar- kameez suit that most Karachi women wear in public areas. Nothing out of the ordinary. As she walked to the shop, a man approached her and showed her a pistol.

But instead of robbing her, he gave her a chilling message: Next time you come in public, cover yourself from head to toe. This happened in full public view on a busy Karachi street. But no one seemed to notice and the man did not in any way seem in any hurry or worry.

The reference of this incident happening to a family friend has only been done to make people understand that this is not an urban myth but a reality. It is happening in Karachi, the countrys largest and possibly most open city. There are more worrisome incidents than one can recall.

Many businessmen have received calls on their cell phones in which the caller does not identify himself but does confirm the name of the person he has called. After a couple of days comes another call. And then another. The businessman is told to contribute a certain amount to the Tehreek-e-Taliban.

One businessman shrugged this off as a hoax. But soon enough there were men who called at his house and made the same demand, only this time they also mentioned that they not only knew where he lived, but where he worked, which schools his children went to, and other details.

The man ended up paying. No one knows who these people are. Some say they are criminals who are using the name of the Taliban. Who knows?

A family in Clifton last month received a notice which was addressed to the father. In it, he was told to ensure that his daughters who were described in the letter in very negative terms should be told to stay home since they were seen to be of loose character. The letter warned the father to take action, otherwise the mosque will have to do something. The crime of these girls apparently was that they were seen too frequently moving around and that too in Western clothes.

The writers of this threatening letter even disclosed their identity. The claimed to be from a prominent mosque, situated in the market area of Clifton. The shaken family did as they were told. Many families have received such letters and in most instances they have complied. No action or questions have been asked of the people at this mosque. The police shrugs this off as nothing important.

Last year, this mosque was identified by the MQM when it made an outcry on the rise in Talibanisation in Karachi. But the Peoples Party government has been denying the rise of extremist forces in Karachi for the year since it has been in power. Some say that the motives of the MQM are suspect. Their agenda is more political. But then again, who is right and who is wrong?

Stories continue to surface of the growing influence of such elements. Women who travel without their heads covered in public transport have been spat upon. In some instances by other women.

The media has helped confuse the people even more. Programmes aired by our leading channels on religious issues sometimes misguide instead of guide. They play on the sentiments of people only to get better ratings. After all, one of the most prominent religious show hosts ended up becoming a minister.

The tragedy, if one may call it that, is that there is a growing number of people in Karachi who welcome the arrival of the purveyors of quick and cheap justice. And are willing to defend, fund and shelter them. They sympathise with the soldiers of their brand of Islam because the government has let them down. And they are frustrated over the growing incidents of crime and lawlessness and have no hope in the government addressing these issues. Both the military junta and the elected peoples representatives are seen more interested in protecting and enriching themselves than providing good governance to the people. This is the public perception.

Two video clips that have been circulating on the Internet only add to peoples fear and plays on their insecurity. One clip, which is perhaps one of the most watched and forwarded clips in Pakistan this week, shows how a man is mugged while he is taking money out of an ATM in Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Karachi.

The clip, which was taken off a security camera of the bank, clearly shows the face of the man, the two men who rob him and the look of frustration and helplessness on the victims face once the deed is done. While there is no violence, except where the robber shows the poor man a gun and then hides it, it leaves one disturbed and it is chilling for anyone who has any care for Pakistan. Is this what we have been reduced to, and where do we go from here?

The other clip, which has not been seen by as many people, is violent and much more chilling. This clip was made from a mobile phone by the accomplice of a man who is currently in police custody. This is now known as the Hajiano case or the White Corolla case. This man robbed people and raped women at will for a year. This clip relates to one incident where a woman is being assaulted.


The clip numbs the brain and makes one bay for blood. After seeing this video, people have said that an exemplary punishment should be given to the perpetrator. One hopes this is done, but there are many who have expressed fears that the case will soon be forgotten. The womens rights organisations which had earlier come out on the streets now seem to have been lulled into silence. Let us hope for justice. There are some who say that this matter would have been settled had the Taliban been in charge.

These are worrisome sentiments. In his speech this week, President Obama has committed more money to Pakistan to crush Al-Qaeda. He said in his speech that the Al-Qaeda and its extremist allies (like the Taliban) are a cancer that risks killing Pakistan from within. The problem is that many Pakistanis do not see it like that anymore.

To defeat extremist elements, the US and Pakistan have to do more than pump in more military and economic assistance which never reaches the common man. There is a larger battle, for the hearts and minds of the people of Pakistan, which needs to be fought. This is not being done.

We do not want any more VOA-TV type propaganda that, in its condescending way creates more enemies then friends. We want a proper dialogue with the US and the West over what its goals are and whether these are our goals as well. Whether we like it or not, the battle for a safer America cannot be won if the people of Pakistan are not convinced. This is the stark reality, no matter how many drone attacks are carried out on the one hand and assistance is given to our government on the other.

It was true of the Musharraf government and is becoming increasingly true of the Zardari government too. The people of Pakistan are not seen as stakeholders in the battle against militants and extremism. It is too often said that while the West talks to our leaders, Al Qaeda and the Taliban talk to the people. Sadly, this is an issue President Obama has not addressed.

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sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
The purpose of my post was not to incriminate MQM ......

I dont like MQM's way of politics but I dont say that they are responsible for everything which is going wrong in Karachi...

And I highly appreciate the unprecedented developmental work going on in Karachi........

But the people killed by these criminal gangs are also Karachiites..and MQM is partly responsible because it is sitting in government.....

And measures should be taken and this should come to an end...

I dont care whetere these belong to Taliban or MQM itself.. I myself have been robbed three times and ON ALL THREE OCCASIONS THE ROBBERS WERE URDU SPEAKING...The areas were Gulistan e Jauher and Liaqat abad... and I am urdu-speaking myself...

we are really fed up living like hostages...
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
by khans141 on Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:16 am

No one is talking against the street crimes in karachi just because these robbers belongs to MQM, that's why no one want them to become their enemies and everyone knows when these MQM mafia people become someone's enemy then that person has no right to live in Karachi or die............
I feel so sorry for our beloved city Karachi being hostage by MQM mafia.
Just make sure in Next election do not support them please, because this party only wants to break Pakistan and make karachi a separate state and they choose the name for that country is ''Republic of Jinnahpur''
Insha Allah before they do something to our motherland we will break them.

These are all baseless and biased accusations.
The crimes like these are also being taken place in Lahore everyday, Can we blame PML(N) for it as this is the ruling party there? No, we don't do it because we are sensible people, we know these crimes are out there in every mega city in the world. and no govt. can control these criminals in any city of the world without the public support.
How about, Mombay, London, Tokyo, Toronto, and New York? Don't these cities have crimes like these. Or the ruling parties of these cities are involved?
Yes Sindh Govt. has to start a big operation against all criminals without putting any attention to massive hue and cry of all the opponents.

I dont care whetere these belong to Taliban or MQM itself.. I myself have been robbed three times and ON ALL THREE OCCASIONS THE ROBBERS WERE URDU SPEAKING...The areas were Gulistan e Jauher and Liaqat abad... and I am urdu-speaking myself...

DON'T TRY TO SINGLE OUT URDU SPEAKING PEOPLE, OK!!!!! MIND IT, DO NOT TRY TO POTRAY THAT ALL URDU PEAKING PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS. SHARAM KARO IF YOU ARE REALLY A GOOD PAKISTANI.

Urdu Speaking people are not only in MQM, they are in Jamat -e- Islami, PML(N) and PTI also. Who knows from which party they belong to. Or may be they don't belong to any party. May be they are just professionals.
THI IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO START THESE KINDS OF THREADS, WE HAVE TO BE UNITED.
 

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
Janab e Patriot Sahab....

On your following remarks.........

"These are all baseless and biased accusations.

The crimes like these are also being taken place in Lahore everyday, Can we blame PML(N) for it as this is the ruling party there? No, we don't do it because we are sensible people, we know these crimes are out there in every mega city in the world. and no govt. can control these criminals in any city of the world without the public support.How about, Mombay, London, Tokyo, Toronto, and New York? Don't these cities have crimes like these. Or the ruling parties of these cities are involved?Yes Sindh Govt. has to start a big operation against all criminals without putting any attention to massive hue and cry of all the opponents. "


I dont know what is the crime rate in Lahore... I know Karachi is a megapolis and it is difficult to control it... but you know "where there is a will there is a way" all snatched mobiles can be traced easily with the help of ESN and jammed... they can also be traced to the locations cant they? ..... but they are not being traced...not even being jammed.. these mobile snatchers are growing like mushrooms... and nobody is there to stop them...They rob the people right under the nose of the police? Kis say munsifi chahain?

Plus about Newyork and London... The criminals know that they will be caught one day? they are not brave like ours who smile infront of the cameras of the ATM machines because they know they are not going to be caught?



Hazrat aap nay ye to ferma diya

"DON'T TRY TO SINGLE OUT URDU SPEAKING PEOPLE, OK!!!!! MIND IT, DO NOT TRY TO POTRAY THAT ALL URDU PEAKING PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS. SHARAM KARO IF YOU ARE REALLY A GOOD PAKISTANI."

But please let me know that from where did you get this impression that I was trying to single out Urdu speaking people?... I am my self urdu speaking and I am PROUD of being one..What I meant was "that these gangs are not only so called taliban they involve all the other communities" I think you misunderstood it...

I know very well

Urdu Speaking people are not only in MQM, they are in Jamat -e- Islami, PML(N) and PTI also. Who knows from which party they belong to. Or may be they don't belong to any party. May be they are just professionals.
THI IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO START THESE KINDS OF THREADS, WE HAVE TO BE UNITED. PakPatriot1


I told you thw statement that I was robbed my my own ethnic community was given as a reply to your taliban incriminating posts... any way... these "just professionals" should now be dealt with very strongly... And I believe this is the right time to start these kinds of threads... may be "humain bhi thora tahaffuz or insaaf mil jai"
 

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
Bhai maray....

Tell me one thing...

Why these operations are only taking place in the "specific" areas like Sohrab goth, Ahsan Abad, Pehelwan Goth, Abul Hassan Ispahani Road? I hope you know what I mean?

Why not Lines Area, Why not Liaqat abad, Why not Gulshan e Iqbal and areas of Gulistan e Johar and Malir which have become paradise for mobile snatchers?

Does that mean the police is biased too?

Does that mean that it is giving protection to gangs belonging to a specific breed while cracking down on the ones belonging to other?

These are just questions.......... But we need to find answers!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not represent any political party... but I want to live with peace of mind in my city...
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
sagaciouscorpion said:
Bhai maray....

Tell me one thing...

Why these operations are only taking place in the "specific" areas like Sohrab goth, Ahsan Abad, Pehelwan Goth, Abul Hassan Ispahani Road? I hope you know what I mean?

Why not Lines Area, Why not Liaqat abad, Why not Gulshan e Iqbal and areas of Gulistan e Johar and Malir which have become paradise for mobile snatchers?

Does that mean the police is biased too?

Does that mean that it is giving protection to gangs belonging to a specific breed while cracking down on the ones belonging to other?

These are just questions.......... But we need to find answers!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not represent any political party... but I want to live with peace of mind in my city...


1) Why the abducted child found in SOHRAB GOTH?
2) Why the all the security guard who involved in bank robbery, belongs to TRIBAL AREA and living in SOHRAB GOTH?
3) Why the policemen killed in firing in SOHRAB GOTH AREA?
4) Why the people's appartment on ABUL HASSAN ASFHANI ROAD have been invaded by ANP's sind people?
5) Why the father was killed in front of his son on SOHRAB GOTH , for money?
6) Why AL-ASIF squre of SOHRAB GOTH has been the sales point of illegal weapons?

Just follow the Karachi news. You'll know.


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sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
I did not deny that criminals have infested Sohrab Goth... Is is a likely habitat because they get refuge by mixing with the local pathan population... I even remember that when the huts infront of the KU were removed which mainly belong to "Siraeki populus".......... stolen bike and some others stuff was recovered...

Karachi is a megacity will all ethnic groups living in.... and criminals have a good time because they can hide under the umbrella of certain political groups.. and try to give it an "ethnic color" when they are caught...

Janab e Aa'li...

Meri guzarish aap nahin samajh rahay..........

which is

Action should be taken agains ALL the groups involved in these crimes, regardless of their ethnicity... and Drastic Measures are necessary... to get the common people out of this hostage situation...
 

aBis

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
they never understand, its like wasting your breadth, its hard to believe that some people can go to what extent to live in denial.
Taliban thinks they are on the right path, so does MQM, ANP, BLA, PPP... lagay raho bhai is mulk ka satyanas hochuka hay, islah pata nahin kahan seh shroo hogi, imdad milti jarahi hay laikin transport, police, agriculture, roads sub problems waisey ki waisey hain because this country is divided for everybody's own benefits. buhat afsoos ki baat hay keh musalman fakhar seh boltay hay Islam is the religion of peace laikin sub seh ziada fasad hum aapis mein hi kartey hain, taliban to baad ki baat hay karachi mein bomb blasts aur hungamay pehlay bhi hptay they. us waqt to USA ka koye agenda nahin tha. mana keh har qaum mein achay buray dono hotay hain, jub hifazat karnay waley hi qatl-o-gharat karein to awam mein bhi asar parey ga. shayed sharya law hi behtar hay hamaray mulk kah liye, shayed issi seh islah hojaye. Allah hafiz
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
Mere Bhai sagaciouscorpion
Why are you palying with the readers of this forum? If you are against MQM then this is you are right, say it clearly and take out your inner poison against MQM. No one can stop you in doing so. You are trying to picture yourself a good muslim, so please mind it that hypocracy is absolutely not allowed in Islam.
And by the way, everyone in Pakistan is Urdu Speaking.
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
eBis
you wrote:
imdad milti jarahi hay laikin transport, police, agriculture, roads sub problems waisey ki waisey

Now you go to karachi and see the development there without any bias, I assure you that it will help you to change your mind. Not every party is corrupt in Pakistan. MQM got a chance and they are showing their worth. First time in the history, the people of Karachi are seeing a real development in their city. But still a lot has to be done. Insha Allah if there are no more conpiracies against MQM, we will make Karachi a real proud of Pakistan.
 

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
PakPatriot1 said:
Mere Bhai sagaciouscorpion
Why are you palying with the readers of this forum? If you are against MQM then this is you are right, say it clearly and take out your inner poison against MQM. No one can stop you in doing so. You are trying to picture yourself a good muslim, so please mind it that hypocracy is absolutely not allowed in Islam.
And by the way, everyone in Pakistan is Urdu Speaking.

I am not against any party... I am against their policies... If I defer, I defer on principless... not because its MQM or ANP... (I voted for MQM on the basis of developmental work in Karachi and I will do so again) but at the same time I exercise the right to oppose the policies, which in my humble view are not right... One of which is following the Pir Sab blindly...........

And since I am not using my original name ... I can spit any amount of poison out here if I have kept it hidden til now.. and I dont need to worry about somebody shooting me in the head to quieten me....

Well .... I dont think I am a good Muslim... I dont know from where did you got this idea... This thread was about "Street crimes in Karachi" not about Islam........

and I know that Munafiqeen or hypocrites will enjoy the worst part of hell...thanks for pointing out...

and I like your definition of "Urdu speaking"
 

sagaciouscorpion

MPA (400+ posts)
Now you go to karachi and see the development there without any bias, I assure you that it will help you to change your mind. Not every party is corrupt in Pakistan. MQM got a chance and they are showing their worth. First time in the history, the people of Karachi are seeing a real development in their city. But still a lot has to be done. Insha Allah if there are no more conpiracies against MQM, we will make Karachi a real proud of Pakistan.


Absolutely agreed........... Inshallah. From the developmental point of view.....MQM has made this city worth living and loving...
 

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