Good-Bye Pakistan: I have decided to leave

[Hussain1967]

First of all, my introduction. I have been on Siasat.pk website since 2011. I am a 38-year old Muslim Pakistani currently working and living in Lahore.I did my BS in Electrical Engineering from a famous public-sector University, and my MS and PhD in Electrical Engineering from a top US University and was funded through TA-ship and RA-ship. My economic background is middle-class. My religious background is that I am a moderate (neither liberal nor fundamentalist) Muslim who firmly believes in the last prophet-hood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and who tries his best to discharge his religious obligations.

I came back to Pakistan partly because of my family-reasons and partly because of my desire to work for my country. Over the past many years, I have been witnessing increasing intolerance in Pakistan. I saw Taliban taking over few parts of the country which Pakistani State took back after many years of intense fighting. During all those years when Pakistani State was fighting with Taliban I was never extremely worried or dejected b/c I knew that Taliban's support-base was limited, both in number and geography. I never became despondent because of rampant corruption b/c I knew that a new party (PTI) was struggling against it and was drawing positive response from public. However, a new phenomenon has arisen ever since Mumtaz Qadri was hanged on account of assassinating ex-Governor, Salman Taseer and this is what has bothered me the most. It is TLP (Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan).

Last year, TLP successfully blocked various parts of the country and made State of Pakistan surrender by forcing two of its ministers to resign. When the then govt asked military to take action against protesters, military refused. This year, they achieved bigger success and Pakistan suffered bigger capitulation. They not only made country stand-still for three days but also gave 'Fatwas' of killing Supreme Court Judges, declared COAS as Qadiani, incited army's ranks-n-files to stage rebellion against its own Chief, and declared Prime Minister of the country as Jew. And guess, after all this, they not only got away with it but also forced Govt to sign another agreement of capitulation. On the other hand we see that many people have been booked in Pakistan under sedition charges. Latest example was of Altaf Hussain of MQM.

I just couldn't understand why the country was blocked in the first place. Highest Court in our country has given a decision (by setting free a christian woman of Blasphemy charges) and we want to set-up our own court and hang that woman. You can disagree with any judgement of any court but you can't disobey the judgement. Blasphemy is not what you think. Blasphemy is what Court decides. This is no argument that when two courts declared her as Blasphemous, then how could the third court declared her non-blasphemous. Supreme Court's decision is not one out of three decisions. It is the only decision that matters. There are numerous examples from the past history of Pakistan when lower courts declared a person guilty and SC freed him/her. There are many examples where lower courts freed a person and SC found him/her guilty. In all these cases, it was the SC decision that mattered, and got implemented.

Another point to worry here is that TLP was supported by all religious parties and all sects of Muslims. Yesterday, I offered Juma prayer in a Deobandi Masjid. The Khateeb was shedding light on Namoos-e-Rasool. At one point, he said that his Bazurgaan (older scholars) have stated that Namoos-e-Risaalat should be protected even if whole Muslim Ummah gets destroyed. He gave no reference of Quraan or Hadith to support this very statement (That way he was justifying the destruction of properties of Pakistanis). This made me shudder. No Muslim can have any doubt on Namoos-e-Risaalat. It is part of his faith. What our scholars should have talked about in Juma was, "what is punishment for those who refuse to accept highest court's decision on any matter including Namoos-e-Risaalat matter?" Isn't it tantamount to sedition (Baghawat)? what is punishment of sedition in Islam? But, alas! no Muslim scholar chose this topic. Everyone wants easy path to Jannah!

I tell you an incident that is much more pertinent to the case-at-hand (i.e. The SC's decision in favor of Asia Bibi) than what our scholars have been saying over the past three days. The incident is about a legal case between Hazrat Ali and a Jew. Hazrat Ali filed a lawsuit against a Jew that his (Ali's) armor was missing and was currently in possession of that particular Jew. Qazi (CJ of that time) asked the Jew if Armor belonged to Hazrat Ali. Jew denied it. Qazi asked Hazrat Ali to bring two witnesses in support of his claim. He brought Hazrat Hassan (his son) and his freed-slave as witnesses. Qazi said that I accept the witness of your freed-slave but not that of your son, so bring second witness. Hazrat Ali said that he didn't have any other witness. Qazi gave verdict in favor of Jew.

Did Sahaaba and Tabaeen take out processions against Qazi that how did he dare give decision against Ameer-ul-Momineen and in favor of a Jew? Did Qazi think that Ali was (Naoozobillah) telling a lie and Jew was speaking a truth? No. No one criticized Qazi. Neither did Hazrat Ali. Qazi gave verdict based on principles and not based on the fact that plaintiff was Ameer-ul-Momineen/Damaad-e-Rasool and defendant was a Jew.

Lastly, I narrate an authentic Hadith about the decisions made by Qazi. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said. "If the judge rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it wrong, he will have one reward".(Sahih Al-Bukhari: 7352, Sahih Al-Muslim: 1716).

The present arrangement made by our govt will not last long. Those who have read the detailed verdict of SC can tell you the fate of review petition. SC's original decision will be upheld, TLP will not accept it again, and we will witness the repeat of the last three-days but at bigger scale. You see that TLP didn't agree to write this point in the last-night agreement that all parties will accept the decision of review petition.

Keeping in view all the above, I have started looking out for Post-Doc and other jobs in my field abroad and hope to get some good offer soon. Pakistan has become a den of extremists. Everyone fears them be it Army, Police, Judges, Politicians etc.

 

[There is only 1]

Big Brother! West is much more savage than us!

 

[karachii]

90% of Pakistanis feel same BRO.... you had a choice and you took the decision.

Hopefully You will return back to Pakistan for good and without leaving Pakistan for ever due to our recent crisis.

 

[samkhan]

بہت اچھا فیصلہ ہے. بہت جلد پاکستانیوں پر پابندی لگنے والی ہے اور کوئی بھی ملک اس قسم کہ مناظر جو کہ پچھلے دو دن دیکھنے کو ملیں ہیں کہ بعد انہیں ویزا نہیں دے گا. جس نے نکلنا ہے جلد ہجرت کر جائے

 

[karachii]

Big Brother! West is much more savage than us!

there is not only west outside Pakistan bro, GCC and and south east Asia Muslim countries are example

 

[imran_hosein_fan]

Alhamdolillah, u made a very good decision!

 

[Imran the legend]

The best people are like Imran Khan, Asad Umar, sarwar and many that could have better life’s abroad but they came to Pakistan to struggle for other people fight against the system and try to turn the system round.
Pakistan has so much resources and potential just needs good governance and then wait for results. We salute to these people who stay in Pakistan and I fighting against the old corrupt system to make it better for us.
It is easy to make excuse and go abroad everyone want to do that. Just give up and run. But the true hero’s are the ones that don’t give up and just carry on fighting for human rights,cancer hospital, namal university and now in politics.
Pakistan past 40 years haven’t had good leaders and things went backwards because of us we as a nation were sleeping. We accepted corruption we accepted crooks like zardari Nawaz sharif Shabaz sharif molana fazal Achenzai and Rizvi which are enemies of Pakistan.
But now it’s changing because we got good pti government that wants to turn things around even media is against them but they are true fighters and bringing investment from China, Saudis and other country’s you could have been one of those fighters but you chose the easy way of giving up and running abroad.
Good luck and go and make other countries better abroad not your own country Pakistan.

 

[Pathfinder]

what bull

 

[wasim k m]

Who will rescue us from these religious bigots, who are hellbent on pushing this country in a dangerous abyss of lawlessness.

 

[Modest]

First of all, my introduction. I have been on Siasat.pk website since 2011. I am a 38-year old Muslim Pakistani currently working and living in Lahore.I did my BS in Electrical Engineering from a famous public-sector University, and my MS and PhD in Electrical Engineering from a top US University and was funded through TA-ship and RA-ship. My economic background is middle-class. My religious background is that I am a moderate (neither liberal nor fundamentalist) Muslim who firmly believes in the last prophet-hood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and who tries his best to discharge his religious obligations.

I came back to Pakistan partly because of my family-reasons and party because of my desire to work for my country. Over the past many years, I have been witnessing increasing intolerance in Pakistan. I saw Taliban taking over few parts of the country which Pakistani State took back after many years of intense fighting. During all those years when Pakistani State was fighting with Taliban I was never extremely worried or dejected b/c I knew that Taliban's support-base was limited, both in number and geography. I never became despondent because of rampant corruption b/c I knew that a new party (PTI) was struggling against it and was drawing positive response from public. However, a new phenomenon has arisen ever since Mumtaz Qadri was hanged on account of assassinating ex-Governor, Salman Taseer and this is what has bothered me the most. It is TLP (Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan).

Last year, TLP successfully blocked various parts of the country and made State of Pakistan surrender by forcing two of its ministers to resign. When the then govt asked military to take action against protesters, military refused. This year, they achieved bigger success and Pakistan suffered bigger capitulation. They not only made country stand-still for three days but also gave 'Fatwas' of killing Supreme Court Judges, declared COAS as Qadiani, incited army's ranks-n-files to stage rebellion against its own Chief, and declared Prime Minister of the country as Jew. And guess, after all this, they not only got away with it but also forced Govt to sign another agreement of capitulation. On the other hand we see that many people have been booked in Pakistan under sedition charges. Latest example was of Altaf Hussain of MQM.

I just couldn't understand why the country was blocked in the first place. Highest Court in our country has given a decision (by setting free a christian woman of Blasphemy charges) and we want to set-up your own court and hang that woman. You can disagree with any judgement of any court but you can't disobey the judgement. Blasphemy is not what you think. Blasphemy is what Court decides. This is no argument that when two courts declared her as Blasphemous, then how could the third court declared her non-blasphemous. Supreme Court's decision is not one out of three decisions. It is the only decision that matters. There are numerous examples from the past history of Pakistan when lower courts declared a person guilty and SC freed him/her. There are many examples where lower courts freed a person and SC found him/her guilty. In all these cases, it was the SC decision that mattered, and got implemented.

Another point to worry here is that TLP was supported by all religious parties and all sects of Muslims. Yesterday, I offered Juma prayer in a Deobandi Masjid. The Khateeb was shedding light on Namoos-e-Rasool. At one point, he said that his Bazurgaan (older scholars) have stated that Namoos-e-Risaalat should be protected even if whole Muslim Ummah gets destroyed. He gave no reference of Quraan or Hadith to support this very statement (That way he was justifying the destruction of properties of Pakistanis). This made me shudder. No Muslim can have any doubt on Namoos-e-Risaalat. It is part of his faith. What our scholars should have talked about in Juma was, "what is punishment for those who refuse to accept highest court's decision on any matter including Namoos-e-Risaalat matter?" Isn't it tantamount to sedition (Baghawat)? what is punishment of sedition against in Islam? But, alas! no Muslim scholar chose this topic. Everyone wants easy path to Jannah!

I tell you an incident that is much more pertinent to the case-at-hand (i.e. The SC's decision in favor of Asia Bibi) than what our scholars have been saying over the past three days. The incident is about a legal case between Hazrat Ali and a Jew. Hazrat Ali filed a lawsuit against a Jew that his (Ali's) armor was missing and was currently in possession of that particular Jew. Qazi (CJ of that time) asked the Jew if Armor belonged to Hazrat Ali. Jew denied it. Qazi asked Hazrat Ali to bring two witnesses in support of his claim. He brought Hazrat Hassan (his son) and his freed-slave as witnesses. Qazi said that I accept the witness of your freed-slave but not that of your son, so bring second witness. Hazrat Ali said that he didn't have any other witness. Qazi gave verdict in favor of Jew.

Did Sahaaba and Tabaeen take out processions against Qazi that how did he dare give decision against Ameer-ul-Momineen and in favor of a Jew? Did Qazi think that Ali was (Naoozobillah) telling a lie and Jew was speaking a truth? No. No one criticized Qazi. Neither did Hazrat Ali. Qazi gave verdict based on principles and not based on the fact that plaintiff was Ameer-ul-Momineen/Damaad-e-Rasool and defendant was a Jew.

Lastly, I narrate an authentic Hadith about the decisions made by Qazi. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said. "If the judge rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it wrong, he will have one reward".(Sahih Al-Bukhari: 7352, Sahih Al-Muslim: 1716).

The present arrangement made by our govt will not last long. Those who have read the detailed verdict of SC can tell you the fate of review petition. SC's original decision will be upheld, TLP will not accept it again, and we will witness the repeat of the last three-days but at bigger scale. You see that TLP didn't agree to write this point in the last-night agreement that all parties will accept the decision of review petition.

Keeping in view all the above, I have started looking out for Post-Doc and other jobs in my field abroad and hope to get some good offer soon. Pakistan has become a den of extremists. Everyone fears them be it Army, Police, Judges, Politicians etc.

Don’t leave bro, Pakistan needs people like you. These religious extremists & their support is less than 1% in Pakistan. There are religious extremists in much bigger number in India, US & Israel. Such groups are part of every society but we should never be scared of them. Don’t worry, eventually we will crush these TLP terrorists like the TTP & MQM terrorists. The state & army pardoned them this time to avoid bloodshed but if they don’t behave themselves next time then they will be eliminated in minutes

 

[Sher_ka_Shakari]

After many years i returned back from Dubai, I left a very lucrative job, working at Etisalat Telecom, the biggest organization in UAE. I always have the option to move to US or UK, because my family members stay there.
I don't want to pretend to be a hero, but i have decided to stay in Pakistan and serve my country.

Just because of few lunatics holding bloody processions now and then i wont leave my country, that's what they want us to do and i consider it a defeat, leaving PK is like accepting uncontested defeat and surrendering with out a fight, stay and serve is the way to fight all problems. Running away is the easiest option.

What if every Pakistani starts thinking like you? and leaves the country, so Should we leave our beloved country in the hands of these bastard's so that they can ruin it.

Also lets not forget millions of our forefathers who sacrificed their lives. Allama Muhammad Iqbal and Quaid e Azam could also have stayed in UK and enjoyed life but they chose the difficult option, so we remember them as founders of PK and father of the nation.

Similarly Imran Khan, Ch. Sarwar and the list goes on and on, abroad they all were having a much better career then we have, but they also chose the difficult option.

As per statistics, every 3 seconds a rape incident happens in US, so should all women run away and leave US, also every now and then we see firing incidents happening in US where innocent people are killed, cities like New York having no go areas so lets not only degrade Pakistan.

PK needs us, Imran's Govt. needs us, we people give strength to IK by standing behind him. I feel as if u took this decision in haste and in a disappointed state of mind, one thing you can do is review your decision and give Imran Khan's government a couple of years and after that if u believe that nothing has changed then go wherever u want to.

I am pretty sure that Pakistan will progress leaps and bounds In sha Allah, along with other problems that PK is facing these fanatics will also be dealt with but it will take time, so be patient, don't get disappointed, stay united, stay Strong.

Pakistan Zindabad.

 

[Shazi ji]

First of all, my introduction. I have been on Siasat.pk website since 2011. I am a 38-year old Muslim Pakistani currently working and living in Lahore.I did my BS in Electrical Engineering from a famous public-sector University, and my MS and PhD in Electrical Engineering from a top US University and was funded through TA-ship and RA-ship. My economic background is middle-class. My religious background is that I am a moderate (neither liberal nor fundamentalist) Muslim who firmly believes in the last prophet-hood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and who tries his best to discharge his religious obligations.

I came back to Pakistan partly because of my family-reasons and partly because of my desire to work for my country. Over the past many years, I have been witnessing increasing intolerance in Pakistan. I saw Taliban taking over few parts of the country which Pakistani State took back after many years of intense fighting. During all those years when Pakistani State was fighting with Taliban I was never extremely worried or dejected b/c I knew that Taliban's support-base was limited, both in number and geography. I never became despondent because of rampant corruption b/c I knew that a new party (PTI) was struggling against it and was drawing positive response from public. However, a new phenomenon has arisen ever since Mumtaz Qadri was hanged on account of assassinating ex-Governor, Salman Taseer and this is what has bothered me the most. It is TLP (Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan).

Last year, TLP successfully blocked various parts of the country and made State of Pakistan surrender by forcing two of its ministers to resign. When the then govt asked military to take action against protesters, military refused. This year, they achieved bigger success and Pakistan suffered bigger capitulation. They not only made country stand-still for three days but also gave 'Fatwas' of killing Supreme Court Judges, declared COAS as Qadiani, incited army's ranks-n-files to stage rebellion against its own Chief, and declared Prime Minister of the country as Jew. And guess, after all this, they not only got away with it but also forced Govt to sign another agreement of capitulation. On the other hand we see that many people have been booked in Pakistan under sedition charges. Latest example was of Altaf Hussain of MQM.

I just couldn't understand why the country was blocked in the first place. Highest Court in our country has given a decision (by setting free a christian woman of Blasphemy charges) and we want to set-up our own court and hang that woman. You can disagree with any judgement of any court but you can't disobey the judgement. Blasphemy is not what you think. Blasphemy is what Court decides. This is no argument that when two courts declared her as Blasphemous, then how could the third court declared her non-blasphemous. Supreme Court's decision is not one out of three decisions. It is the only decision that matters. There are numerous examples from the past history of Pakistan when lower courts declared a person guilty and SC freed him/her. There are many examples where lower courts freed a person and SC found him/her guilty. In all these cases, it was the SC decision that mattered, and got implemented.

Another point to worry here is that TLP was supported by all religious parties and all sects of Muslims. Yesterday, I offered Juma prayer in a Deobandi Masjid. The Khateeb was shedding light on Namoos-e-Rasool. At one point, he said that his Bazurgaan (older scholars) have stated that Namoos-e-Risaalat should be protected even if whole Muslim Ummah gets destroyed. He gave no reference of Quraan or Hadith to support this very statement (That way he was justifying the destruction of properties of Pakistanis). This made me shudder. No Muslim can have any doubt on Namoos-e-Risaalat. It is part of his faith. What our scholars should have talked about in Juma was, "what is punishment for those who refuse to accept highest court's decision on any matter including Namoos-e-Risaalat matter?" Isn't it tantamount to sedition (Baghawat)? what is punishment of sedition in Islam? But, alas! no Muslim scholar chose this topic. Everyone wants easy path to Jannah!

I tell you an incident that is much more pertinent to the case-at-hand (i.e. The SC's decision in favor of Asia Bibi) than what our scholars have been saying over the past three days. The incident is about a legal case between Hazrat Ali and a Jew. Hazrat Ali filed a lawsuit against a Jew that his (Ali's) armor was missing and was currently in possession of that particular Jew. Qazi (CJ of that time) asked the Jew if Armor belonged to Hazrat Ali. Jew denied it. Qazi asked Hazrat Ali to bring two witnesses in support of his claim. He brought Hazrat Hassan (his son) and his freed-slave as witnesses. Qazi said that I accept the witness of your freed-slave but not that of your son, so bring second witness. Hazrat Ali said that he didn't have any other witness. Qazi gave verdict in favor of Jew.

Did Sahaaba and Tabaeen take out processions against Qazi that how did he dare give decision against Ameer-ul-Momineen and in favor of a Jew? Did Qazi think that Ali was (Naoozobillah) telling a lie and Jew was speaking a truth? No. No one criticized Qazi. Neither did Hazrat Ali. Qazi gave verdict based on principles and not based on the fact that plaintiff was Ameer-ul-Momineen/Damaad-e-Rasool and defendant was a Jew.

Lastly, I narrate an authentic Hadith about the decisions made by Qazi. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said. "If the judge rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it wrong, he will have one reward".(Sahih Al-Bukhari: 7352, Sahih Al-Muslim: 1716).

The present arrangement made by our govt will not last long. Those who have read the detailed verdict of SC can tell you the fate of review petition. SC's original decision will be upheld, TLP will not accept it again, and we will witness the repeat of the last three-days but at bigger scale. You see that TLP didn't agree to write this point in the last-night agreement that all parties will accept the decision of review petition.

Keeping in view all the above, I have started looking out for Post-Doc and other jobs in my field abroad and hope to get some good offer soon. Pakistan has become a den of extremists. Everyone fears them be it Army, Police, Judges, Politicians etc.

Sorry dear u feel that way and unfortunately this happens in every Govt,,, I wish we can mend our state but yet hv to find sincerity and will in leadership

 

[samkhan]

Don’t leave bro, Pakistan needs people like you. These religious extremists & their support is less than 1% in Pakistan. There are religious extremists in much bigger number in India, US & Israel. Such groups are part of every society but we should never be scared of them. Don’t worry, eventually we will crush these TLP terrorists like the TTP & MQM terrorists. The state & army pardoned them this time to avoid bloodshed but if they don’t behave themselves next time then they will be eliminated in minutes

مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ ان پر صرف خون خرابہ کر کہ ہی قابو پایا جاسکتا ہے. ہار بار حکومت خون خرابہ روکنے کہ لیے برداشت کرتی ہے اور ہر بار یہ شیر ہوتے ہیں. مسجد اور منبر صرف ریاست کہ کنٹرول میں ہونے چاہییں. باقی اسلامی ممالک کی طرح ہمارا مولویوں پر کوئی کنٹرول نہیں. انہوں نے جھوٹے قصے کہانیاں سنا کر عوام کہ مذہبی جذبات کو آگ لگائی ہے اور انکے دماغ کو برین واش کیا ہے. کفر اور گالیوں کہ فتوے اب عام عوام کی جانب سے زیادہ سامنے آتے ہیں. ہماری نسلیں خراب کر دی ہیں ان مولویوں نے. اپنے اصل کام پر توجہ نہیں دیتے جو کہ قوم کا دینی اور اخلاقی کردار سنوارنا ہے

 

[Atif_Ali]

I think you better leave Pakistan as soon as possible ... and remember to forfeit Pakistani Passport as soon as possible ...
You don't deserve to be Pakistani ...

 

[Modest]

مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ ان پر صرف خون خرابہ کر کہ ہی قابو پایا جاسکتا ہے. ہار بار حکومت خون خرابہ روکنے کہ لیے برداشت کرتی ہے اور ہر بار یہ شیر ہوتے ہیں. مسجد اور منبر صرف ریاست کہ کنٹرول میں ہونے چاہییں. باقی اسلامی ممالک کی طرح ہمارا مولویوں پر کوئی کنٹرول نہیں. انہوں نے جھوٹے قصے کہانیاں سنا کر عوام کہ مذہبی جذبات کو آگ لگائی ہے اور انکے دماغ کو برین واش کیا ہے. کفر اور گالیوں کہ فتوے اب عام عوام کی جانب سے زیادہ سامنے آتے ہیں. ہماری نسلیں خراب کر دی ہیں ان مولویوں نے. اپنے اصل کام پر توجہ نہیں دیتے جو کہ قوم کا دینی اور اخلاقی کردار سنوارنا ہے

I agree, enough is enough & this should be the final warning. If they try to repeat such things again then they should be bulldozed

 

[waseem137]

خدا کی قسم پچھلے چند دنوں سے مذہب کے نام پر جو تماشہ ان جعلی مولویوں نے لگائے رکھا ہے، اس سے بہت دل دکھا ہے۔ بہت تکلیف ہوتی ہے اپنا ملک چھوڑتے ہوئے، وقت اور ان حالات کو دیکھتے ہوئے آپ کا یہ ایک بہتر فیصلہ ہے ۔ اللہ پاک آپ کی حفاظت فرمائے ۔

 

[crankthskunk]

there is not only west outside Pakistan bro, GCC and and south east Asia Muslim countries are example

I don't know about other East Asian countries, but GCC!! You really think Arabia is a place to live!!! Pakistan is far better than GCC, at least you are not treated as slaves and 3rd class citizens.
I passed through SA when I was a young man. I decided never to come back to this country unless I want to perform Umrah or Haj.

 

[Jalil Malik]

Allah Hafiz- Buzdil logo ka kaam ha bura waqt dekh kar nikal jao.

 

[MHAMZA]

My prayers with you and your family, may you find what you seek .Ameen
Best is to work and get a second nationality and return to Pakistan with loads of money and experience ... that way you can always have a place to move anytime, if you feel the need to ...

 

[long-live-pakistan]

I bought one way family tickets to fly back to Pakistan early next year. Already spent over 20 years away from my motherland. Don't leave, in shaAllah things will get better. Stay strong brother.