Good-Bye Pakistan: I have decided to leave

[Galaxy]

We do need to stay in Pakistan but needs these radicals to be brought under control.

 

[Hussain1967]

Thanks Bro, for your encouragement.

The best people are like Imran Khan, Asad Umar, sarwar and many that could have better life’s abroad but they came to Pakistan to struggle for other people fight against the system and try to turn the system round.
Pakistan has so much resources and potential just needs good governance and then wait for results. We salute to these people who stay in Pakistan and I fighting against the old corrupt system to make it better for us.
It is easy to make excuse and go abroad everyone want to do that. Just give up and run. But the true hero’s are the ones that don’t give up and just carry on fighting for human rights,cancer hospital, namal university and now in politics.
Pakistan past 40 years haven’t had good leaders and things went backwards because of us we as a nation were sleeping. We accepted corruption we accepted crooks like zardari Nawaz sharif Shabaz sharif molana fazal Achenzai and Rizvi which are enemies of Pakistan.
But now it’s changing because we got good pti government that wants to turn things around even media is against them but they are true fighters and bringing investment from China, Saudis and other country’s you could have been one of those fighters but you chose the easy way of giving up and running abroad.
Good luck and go and make other countries better abroad not your own country Pakistan.

It seems you commented based on the title of the thread without reading the contents of the thread. I said in my original post that I never got disappointed because of rampant corruption or bad governance. I salute to all those who are working hard for Pakistan. My despondency is due to religious fanaticism which is beyond the control of any political party. This is because 'Aashiq' are everywhere in Pakistan be it Judiciary, Army, Police, Universities, Bazaars, Streets, Masjids, any other govt or private department etc. This is running like blood in Pakistani society. People like IK and Asad Umar are far and few. Army doesn't fear TTP but fears TLP. In religious matters, supporters and voters of all political parties become supporters of parties like TLP. I have noted this on this forum over past three days. I have noted this in Lahore among my friends, co-workers, my neighbors etc. over past three days. Pakistan's educated class also becomes TLP supporters when it comes to Islam. Everyone forgets that in Islam there is a concept of judiciary, there is a concept of sedition. There is the harshest punishment for sedition in Islam.

 

[Galaxy]

I live in Canada for 50 years now ,wants to go home but very much scared when I see these radical.

 

[kaka1]

وہ مرد ہی کیا جو ڈر جائے حالات کے خونی منظر سے
جس حال میں جینا مشکل ہو اس حال میں جینا لازم ہے
۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
آپ آپ کی ماشاء اللہ اتنی اچھی تعلیم ہے اور ساتھ میں اتنی اچھی سوچ ہے آپ کو ملک میں رہ کر ملک کی خدمت اور سسٹم کو بیٹر بنانے والوں کا ساتھ دینا چاہیے آپ ملک چھوڑ کر جائیں گے تو آپ کی زندگی ہوسکتا ہے اچھی ہوجائے لیکن اگر آپ ملک میں رہ کر ملک کی خدمت کریں گے تو آپ کی وجہ سے بہت سے لوگوں کی زندگی اچھی ہوجائے گی۔
باقی باقی آپ نے جو باتیں کہی ہیں اس سے میں بہت سی باتوں سے اتفاق کرتا ہوں تمام فرقوں کے اچھے خاصے سمجھدار علماء علماء بھی غالب اکثریت کی رو میں بہہ کر ان کے ساتھ شامل ہوگئے اس مسئلہ کے بارے میں خالد مسعود صاحب نے کچھ سینس کی باتیں کی ہیں باقی تمام فرقوں میں تمام علماءاکثریت کی جہالت کی باتوں کی رو میں بہہ کر ان کے ساتھ شامل ہو گا ڈر کی وجہ سے یا کسی اور وجہ سے میں فضل الرحمن یار رضوی کی بات نہیں کر رہا میں ان علماء کی بات کر رہا ہوں جو سیاست میں نہیں ہے

 

[PureHeArt]

Here me and my brother are planning to sell our land and moving back to Pakistan and start a business. Watching news yesterday i was discouraged too, i had never seen this side of Pakistan. But that wasn't enough to change our plan.

 

[Cyber_Security]

First of all, my introduction. I have been on Siasat.pk website since 2011. I am a 38-year old Muslim Pakistani currently working and living in Lahore.I did my BS in Electrical Engineering from a famous public-sector University, and my MS and PhD in Electrical Engineering from a top US University and was funded through TA-ship and RA-ship. My economic background is middle-class. My religious background is that I am a moderate (neither liberal nor fundamentalist) Muslim who firmly believes in the last prophet-hood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and who tries his best to discharge his religious obligations.

I came back to Pakistan partly because of my family-reasons and partly because of my desire to work for my country. Over the past many years, I have been witnessing increasing intolerance in Pakistan. I saw Taliban taking over few parts of the country which Pakistani State took back after many years of intense fighting. During all those years when Pakistani State was fighting with Taliban I was never extremely worried or dejected b/c I knew that Taliban's support-base was limited, both in number and geography. I never became despondent because of rampant corruption b/c I knew that a new party (PTI) was struggling against it and was drawing positive response from public. However, a new phenomenon has arisen ever since Mumtaz Qadri was hanged on account of assassinating ex-Governor, Salman Taseer and this is what has bothered me the most. It is TLP (Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan).

Last year, TLP successfully blocked various parts of the country and made State of Pakistan surrender by forcing two of its ministers to resign. When the then govt asked military to take action against protesters, military refused. This year, they achieved bigger success and Pakistan suffered bigger capitulation. They not only made country stand-still for three days but also gave 'Fatwas' of killing Supreme Court Judges, declared COAS as Qadiani, incited army's ranks-n-files to stage rebellion against its own Chief, and declared Prime Minister of the country as Jew. And guess, after all this, they not only got away with it but also forced Govt to sign another agreement of capitulation. On the other hand we see that many people have been booked in Pakistan under sedition charges. Latest example was of Altaf Hussain of MQM.

I just couldn't understand why the country was blocked in the first place. Highest Court in our country has given a decision (by setting free a christian woman of Blasphemy charges) and we want to set-up our own court and hang that woman. You can disagree with any judgement of any court but you can't disobey the judgement. Blasphemy is not what you think. Blasphemy is what Court decides. This is no argument that when two courts declared her as Blasphemous, then how could the third court declared her non-blasphemous. Supreme Court's decision is not one out of three decisions. It is the only decision that matters. There are numerous examples from the past history of Pakistan when lower courts declared a person guilty and SC freed him/her. There are many examples where lower courts freed a person and SC found him/her guilty. In all these cases, it was the SC decision that mattered, and got implemented.

Another point to worry here is that TLP was supported by all religious parties and all sects of Muslims. Yesterday, I offered Juma prayer in a Deobandi Masjid. The Khateeb was shedding light on Namoos-e-Rasool. At one point, he said that his Bazurgaan (older scholars) have stated that Namoos-e-Risaalat should be protected even if whole Muslim Ummah gets destroyed. He gave no reference of Quraan or Hadith to support this very statement (That way he was justifying the destruction of properties of Pakistanis). This made me shudder. No Muslim can have any doubt on Namoos-e-Risaalat. It is part of his faith. What our scholars should have talked about in Juma was, "what is punishment for those who refuse to accept highest court's decision on any matter including Namoos-e-Risaalat matter?" Isn't it tantamount to sedition (Baghawat)? what is punishment of sedition in Islam? But, alas! no Muslim scholar chose this topic. Everyone wants easy path to Jannah!

I tell you an incident that is much more pertinent to the case-at-hand (i.e. The SC's decision in favor of Asia Bibi) than what our scholars have been saying over the past three days. The incident is about a legal case between Hazrat Ali and a Jew. Hazrat Ali filed a lawsuit against a Jew that his (Ali's) armor was missing and was currently in possession of that particular Jew. Qazi (CJ of that time) asked the Jew if Armor belonged to Hazrat Ali. Jew denied it. Qazi asked Hazrat Ali to bring two witnesses in support of his claim. He brought Hazrat Hassan (his son) and his freed-slave as witnesses. Qazi said that I accept the witness of your freed-slave but not that of your son, so bring second witness. Hazrat Ali said that he didn't have any other witness. Qazi gave verdict in favor of Jew.

Did Sahaaba and Tabaeen take out processions against Qazi that how did he dare give decision against Ameer-ul-Momineen and in favor of a Jew? Did Qazi think that Ali was (Naoozobillah) telling a lie and Jew was speaking a truth? No. No one criticized Qazi. Neither did Hazrat Ali. Qazi gave verdict based on principles and not based on the fact that plaintiff was Ameer-ul-Momineen/Damaad-e-Rasool and defendant was a Jew.

Lastly, I narrate an authentic Hadith about the decisions made by Qazi. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said. "If the judge rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it wrong, he will have one reward".(Sahih Al-Bukhari: 7352, Sahih Al-Muslim: 1716).

The present arrangement made by our govt will not last long. Those who have read the detailed verdict of SC can tell you the fate of review petition. SC's original decision will be upheld, TLP will not accept it again, and we will witness the repeat of the last three-days but at bigger scale. You see that TLP didn't agree to write this point in the last-night agreement that all parties will accept the decision of review petition.

Keeping in view all the above, I have started looking out for Post-Doc and other jobs in my field abroad and hope to get some good offer soon. Pakistan has become a den of extremists. Everyone fears them be it Army, Police, Judges, Politicians etc.

You have given some examples of Hadees but they are not relevant to blasphemy , so I thought I should give you some examples of Hadees which are about blasphemy .

First Hadees. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348)

“A blind man had a freed concubine (Umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. A child fell between her legs, and became covered by blood. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I ask by Allah the man who has done this action and I order him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”

Second Hadees (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4349)
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.


My point it through two authentic Hadees is, it is evident that when one committed blasphemy , Prophet Muhammad PBUH approved that person's killing even without investigation. He didn't ask the 2 killers of the accused women , that they should have come to the prophet before killing them. He didn't ask them that they should have allowed those women to repent before you killed them. Or the Qazi should have decided if they deserved the death penalty. He could have said, you don't provide death penalty only the court does.

So if you find someone who is using inappropriate language towards our Prophet , then you have a licence in islam to kill him or her on the spot. This is the reason all the Muslim Ulmah's supported Mumtaz Qadri. This is the reason Ilm-deen is taught in children's book. In Islam no court is needed for a trial for killing of a person who commits blasphemy ,, the person witnessing the blasphemy can kill the blasphemer on the spot and there will not be any charges.

You will not find one example in 6 Saha Satta Hadees books where our beloved prophet Muhammad let the blasphemer live or asked the court investigation. Now you will know that every single Muslim scholar is united for killing of Aasis bibi even when Supreme court found her innocent. In their opinion high court finding her guilty is more than enough to take her life.

It is our religion , We must accept it.

 

[disgusted]

After many years i returned back from Dubai, I left a very lucrative job, working at Etisalat Telecom, the biggest organization in UAE. I always have the option to move to US or UK, because my family members stay there.
I don't want to pretend to be a hero, but i have decided to stay in Pakistan and serve my country.

Just because of few lunatics holding bloody processions now and then i wont leave my country, that's what they want us to do and i consider at a defeat, leaving PK is like accepting uncontested defeat and surrendering with out a fight, stay and serve is the way to fight all problems. Running away is the easiest option.

What if every Pakistani starts thinking like you? and leaves the country, so Should we leave our beloved country in the hands of these bastard's so that they can ruin it.

Also lets not forget millions of our forefathers who sacrificed their lives. Allama Muhammad Iqbal and Quaid e Azam could also have stayed in UK and enjoyed life but they chose the difficult option, so we remember them as founders of PK and father of the nation.

Similarly Imran Khan, Ch. Sarwar and the list goes on and on, abroad they all were having a much better career then we have, but they also chose the difficult option.

I am pretty sure that Pakistan will progress leaps and bounds In sha Allah, along with other problems that PK is facing these fanatics will also be dealt with but it will take time, so stay Strong.

Pakistan Zindabad.

Mashallah! that is the spirit. The day we start owning our country there is no looking back. Hurdles will come in our way and we are Inshallah prepared for them. It will be a long and difficult journey. Zar and Shar have tons of money and will for sometime be able to buy some of our own brothers. If we decide to resist them honestly then there is no looking back. After a very long time we have got an honest leader. Dakoos will try and put all obstructions in his path. Remember that 70% of bureaucracy are comrades of these dakoos and will try to make Imran's govt ineffective. Just wait for a year and results will be brightly visible

 

[Cyber_Security]

Here me and my brother are planning to sell our land and moving back to Pakistan and start a business. Watching news yesterday i was discouraged too, i had never seen this side of Pakistan. But that wasn't enough to change our plan.

Welcome to Pakistan.

 

[disgusted]

You have given some examples of Hadees but they are not relevant to blasphemy , so I thought I should give you some examples of Hadees which are about blasphemy .

First Hadees. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348)

“A blind man had a freed concubine (Umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. A child fell between her legs, and became covered by blood. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I ask by Allah the man who has done this action and I order him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”

Second Hadees (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4349)
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.


My point it through two authentic Hadees is, it is evident that when one committed blasphemy , Prophet Muhammad PBUH approved that person's killing even without investigation. He didn't ask the 2 killers of the accused women , that they should have come to the prophet before killing them. He didn't ask them that they should have allowed those women to repent before you killed them. Or the Qazi should have decided if they deserved the death penalty. He could have said, you don't provide death penalty only the court does.

So if you find someone who is using inappropriate language towards our Prophet , then you have a licence in islam to kill him or her on the spot. This is the reason all the Muslim Ulmah's supported Mumtaz Qadri. This is the reason Ilm-deen is taught in children's book. In Islam no court is needed for a trial for killing of a person who commits blasphemy ,, the person witnessing the blasphemy can kill the blasphemer on the spot and there will not be any charges.

You will not find one example in 6 Saha Satta Hadees books where our beloved prophet Muhammad let the blasphemer live or asked the court investigation. Now you will know that every single Muslim scholar is united for killing of Aasis bibi even when Supreme court found her innocent. In their opinion high court finding her guilty is more than enough to take her life.

It is our religion , We must accept it.

حضرت علی نے گستاخِ رسول (ص) کی زبان کاٹ دی

رسولِ خدا کے مدنی دور میں (جب وہ مدینہ ہجرت کرچکے تھے، تب) کسی گستاخ شاعر نے نبی ک ریم کی شان کے خلاف گستاخانہ اشعار لکھے۔

اصحاب نے اس گستاخ شاعر کو پکڑ کر بوری میں بند کر کے حضور کے سامنے پھینک دیا..
سرکار دوعالم نے حکم دیا: اس کی زبان کاٹ دو۔

تاریخ لرز گئی، مکہ میں جو پتھر مارنے والوں کو معاف کرتا تھا. کوڑا کرکٹ پھینکنے والی کی تیمار داری کرتا تھا... اسے مدینے میں آکے آخر ہو کیا گیا۔

بعض صحابہ کرام نے عرض کی: یا رسول اللہ میں اس کی زبان کاٹنے کی سعادت حاصل کروں؟
حضور نے فرمایا: نہیں، تم نہیں
تب رسولِ خدا نے حضرت علی کو حکم دیا اس کی زبان کاٹ دو...
مولا علی بوری اٹھا کر شہر سے باہر نکلے..
اور حضرت قنبر کو حکم دیا: جا میرا اونٹ لے کر آ

اونٹ آیا مولا نے اونٹ کے پیروں سے رسی کھول دی اور شاعر کو بھی کھولا اور 2000 درہم اس کے ہاتھ میں دیے اور اس کو اونٹ پہ بیٹھایا، پھر فرمایا: تم بھاگ جاؤ ان کو میں دیکھ لونگا...

اب جو لوگ تماشا دیکھنے آئے تھے حیران رہ گئے کہ یا اللہ، حضرت علی نے تو رسول کی نافرمانی کی

رسول خدا کے پاس شکایت لے کر پہنچ گئے: یا رسول اللہ آپ نے کہا تھا زبان کاٹ دو، علی نے اس گستاخ شاعر کو 2000 درہم دیے اور آزاد کر دیا...

حضور مسکرائے اور فرمایا علی میری بات سمجھ گئے...
افسوس ہے کہ تمہاری سمجھ میں نہیں آئی

وہ لوگ پریشان ہوکر یہ کہتے چل دیے کہ: یہی تو کہا تھا کہ زبان کاٹ دو ... علی نے تو کاٹی ہی نہیں...

اگلے دن صبح، فجر کی نماز کو جب گئے تو کیا دیکھتا ہے وہ شاعر وضو کررہا ہے.. پھر وہ مسجد میں جا کر حضرت محمد ص کے پاؤں چومنے لگتا ہے. جیب سے ایک پرچہ نکال کر کہتا ہے: حضور آپ کی شان میں نعت لکھ کر لایا ہوں...

اور یوں ہوا کہ حضرت علی نے گستاخ رسول کی گستاخ زبان کو کاٹ کر اسے مدحتِ رسالت والی زبان میں تبدیل کردیا۔

حوالہ: دعائم الاسلام، جلد 2، صفحہ 323
Sallallahu Alaihe Wa'Aalihi Wa'Ashabihi Wasallam...
ye hai gustakh e Rasool Sallallahu Alaihe Wa'Aalihi Wa'ashabihi Wasallam ko hamesha ke liye khamosh karaney ka tareeka.......
hai koi muslim jo Nabi Pak Sallallahu Alaihe Wa'Aalihi Wa'ashabihi Wasallam aur Sahaba karaam Raziallahu Anhum ke tareekey pe amal karey???
copied.

 

[Cyber_Security]

بہت اچھا فیصلہ ہے. بہت جلد پاکستانیوں پر پابندی لگنے والی ہے اور کوئی بھی ملک اس قسم کہ مناظر جو کہ پچھلے دو دن دیکھنے کو ملیں ہیں کہ بعد انہیں ویزا نہیں دے گا. جس نے نکلنا ہے جلد ہجرت کر جائے

after reading your comment i think of a Purveen Shakir poems verse. She had said
Baat toh Such hay magar baat hay ruswaee kee

 

[kakamana]

Get urself out of this self pity mode, if tht much education & so called international exposure don't make u fight for people who r suffering then yea u collect mere piece of papers not education!!!! Didn't u ever try to realize y people r like that y these people don't deserve better life for themselves & for their upcoming generations. It is just b/c lunatic and coward like me, u & so many others run away when times call them & motherland need them. Just imagine how many brainstorming guys like u can do which help others to negate such fasadi, they belong to any sect, part of life or profession.
We see same kind of mindset keep doing such things while benazir was assassinated, during musharaf time, at time of protesting during PPP govt, protesting alongside PTI, PML N. Their main aim is to loot around, kill or hurt someone to break out their frustation from different aspects of life. Some goes even for so called "jihad" and once hard time comes they start fleeing.
So my whole point is running/walking away isn't the solution of need, we all deserver walk/run over and sort the mess as much as we can and believe me that what these fasadi alim numa, general, bueracates, politicians, tribes elders, war mongers & media goons (and list can go on) will never want & will resist to best of their ability so that guys like u can flee, so they can enjoy freedom of their will and blindfolders to support their power, lust causes.z

 

[Ahmed Jawad]

تمہارا فیصلہ بالکل صحیح ہے، میں کمپوٹرسائنس میں پی ایچ ڈی ہوں اور لمز کا گریجویٹ ہوں۔ میں نے یہ فیصلہ دس سال پہلے کیا تھا

 

[Foreigner]

Thanks Bro, for your encouragement.


It seems you commented based on the title of the thread without reading the contents of the thread. I said in my original post that I never got disappointed because of rampant corruption or bad governance. I salute to all those who are working hard for Pakistan. My despondency is due to religious fanaticism which is beyond the control of any political party. This is because 'Aashiq' are everywhere in Pakistan be it Judiciary, Army, Police, Universities, Bazaars, Streets, Masjids, any other govt or private department etc. This is running like blood in Pakistani society. People like IK and Asad Umar are far and few. Army doesn't fear TTP but fears TLP. In religious matters, supporters and voters of all political parties become supporters of parties like TLP. I have noted this on this forum over past three days. I have noted this in Lahore among my friends, co-workers, my neighbors etc. over past three days. Pakistan's educated class also becomes TLP supporters when it comes to Islam. Everyone forgets that in Islam there is a concept of judiciary, there is a concept of sedition. There is the harshest punishment for sedition in Islam.

.یہ مسلہ راتوں رات حل نہیں ہو سکتا. یہ تب ہی حل ہو گا جب لوگوں کی سوچ بدلے گی
.جس طرح سے اس قوم کو برین واش کیا گیا ہے، یہ سوچ راتوں رات نہیں بدل سکتی، اس کے لئے کم سے ایک دو نسلیں لگ جایئں گئیں​

 

[abdlsy]

بہت اچھا فیصلہ ہے. بہت جلد پاکستانیوں پر پابندی لگنے والی ہے اور کوئی بھی ملک اس قسم کہ مناظر جو کہ پچھلے دو دن دیکھنے کو ملیں ہیں کہ بعد انہیں ویزا نہیں دے گا. جس نے نکلنا ہے جلد ہجرت کر جائے

But v few can afford all the fees then bare expenses like airtravel settling in foreign countries a cruel process.

Its worth it but at a cost of totally coming out of your orignal habitat n expectation to a 360 degree turn. Its possible.

I got the above info thru several of my relatives friends who permanently moved.

Sad but we as muslmans have firm beleive the earth is allahs property try any region. But birth place has more sukoon vs settling in other countried require adjusting to extreme spending weather selfishness loneliness that take forever.

Ofcourse after that sacrifice u gain cleanliness justice better living standards compared to pakistan.

After all that as muslims the concept this is a temporary world life will never be smooth in this world u will be tested any region of earth and u have to move on ask for forgiveness and do good things otherwise severe punishment or jannah after death which can arrive any moment to anybody anywhere.




Good luck to thread starter.

 

[Cyber_Security]

But v few can afford all the fees then bare expenses like airtravel settling in foreign countries a cruel process.

Its worth it but at a cost of totally coming out of your orignal habitat n expectation to a 360 degree turn. Its possible.

I got the above info thru several of my relatives friends who permanently moved.

Sad but we as muslmans have firm beleive the earth is allahs property try any region. But birth place has more sukoon vs settling in other countried require adjusting to extreme spending weather selfishness loneliness that take forever.

Ofcourse after that sacrifice u gain cleanliness justice better living standards compared to pakistan.

After all that as muslims the concept this is a temporary world life will never be smooth in this world u will be tested any region of earth and u have to move on ask for forgiveness and do good things otherwise severe punishment or jannah after death which can arrive any moment to anybody anywhere.




Good luck to thread starter.

Funny , we all want to migrate to a secular country like USA, UK, Canada, Australia etc but can't even stand a word secular for Pakistan. Orya Maqbool Jan made sure his daughter live in the west, He married her off to a man in the USA, and he hates the USA for rest of us.

 

[PakistanRoshanMustaqbil]

First of all, my introduction. I have been on Siasat.pk website since 2011. I am a 38-year old Muslim Pakistani currently working and living in Lahore.I did my BS in Electrical Engineering from a famous public-sector University, and my MS and PhD in Electrical Engineering from a top US University and was funded through TA-ship and RA-ship. My economic background is middle-class. My religious background is that I am a moderate (neither liberal nor fundamentalist) Muslim who firmly believes in the last prophet-hood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and who tries his best to discharge his religious obligations.

I came back to Pakistan partly because of my family-reasons and partly because of my desire to work for my country. Over the past many years, I have been witnessing increasing intolerance in Pakistan. I saw Taliban taking over few parts of the country which Pakistani State took back after many years of intense fighting. During all those years when Pakistani State was fighting with Taliban I was never extremely worried or dejected b/c I knew that Taliban's support-base was limited, both in number and geography. I never became despondent because of rampant corruption b/c I knew that a new party (PTI) was struggling against it and was drawing positive response from public. However, a new phenomenon has arisen ever since Mumtaz Qadri was hanged on account of assassinating ex-Governor, Salman Taseer and this is what has bothered me the most. It is TLP (Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan).

Last year, TLP successfully blocked various parts of the country and made State of Pakistan surrender by forcing two of its ministers to resign. When the then govt asked military to take action against protesters, military refused. This year, they achieved bigger success and Pakistan suffered bigger capitulation. They not only made country stand-still for three days but also gave 'Fatwas' of killing Supreme Court Judges, declared COAS as Qadiani, incited army's ranks-n-files to stage rebellion against its own Chief, and declared Prime Minister of the country as Jew. And guess, after all this, they not only got away with it but also forced Govt to sign another agreement of capitulation. On the other hand we see that many people have been booked in Pakistan under sedition charges. Latest example was of Altaf Hussain of MQM.

I just couldn't understand why the country was blocked in the first place. Highest Court in our country has given a decision (by setting free a christian woman of Blasphemy charges) and we want to set-up our own court and hang that woman. You can disagree with any judgement of any court but you can't disobey the judgement. Blasphemy is not what you think. Blasphemy is what Court decides. This is no argument that when two courts declared her as Blasphemous, then how could the third court declared her non-blasphemous. Supreme Court's decision is not one out of three decisions. It is the only decision that matters. There are numerous examples from the past history of Pakistan when lower courts declared a person guilty and SC freed him/her. There are many examples where lower courts freed a person and SC found him/her guilty. In all these cases, it was the SC decision that mattered, and got implemented.

Another point to worry here is that TLP was supported by all religious parties and all sects of Muslims. Yesterday, I offered Juma prayer in a Deobandi Masjid. The Khateeb was shedding light on Namoos-e-Rasool. At one point, he said that his Bazurgaan (older scholars) have stated that Namoos-e-Risaalat should be protected even if whole Muslim Ummah gets destroyed. He gave no reference of Quraan or Hadith to support this very statement (That way he was justifying the destruction of properties of Pakistanis). This made me shudder. No Muslim can have any doubt on Namoos-e-Risaalat. It is part of his faith. What our scholars should have talked about in Juma was, "what is punishment for those who refuse to accept highest court's decision on any matter including Namoos-e-Risaalat matter?" Isn't it tantamount to sedition (Baghawat)? what is punishment of sedition in Islam? But, alas! no Muslim scholar chose this topic. Everyone wants easy path to Jannah!

I tell you an incident that is much more pertinent to the case-at-hand (i.e. The SC's decision in favor of Asia Bibi) than what our scholars have been saying over the past three days. The incident is about a legal case between Hazrat Ali and a Jew. Hazrat Ali filed a lawsuit against a Jew that his (Ali's) armor was missing and was currently in possession of that particular Jew. Qazi (CJ of that time) asked the Jew if Armor belonged to Hazrat Ali. Jew denied it. Qazi asked Hazrat Ali to bring two witnesses in support of his claim. He brought Hazrat Hassan (his son) and his freed-slave as witnesses. Qazi said that I accept the witness of your freed-slave but not that of your son, so bring second witness. Hazrat Ali said that he didn't have any other witness. Qazi gave verdict in favor of Jew.

Did Sahaaba and Tabaeen take out processions against Qazi that how did he dare give decision against Ameer-ul-Momineen and in favor of a Jew? Did Qazi think that Ali was (Naoozobillah) telling a lie and Jew was speaking a truth? No. No one criticized Qazi. Neither did Hazrat Ali. Qazi gave verdict based on principles and not based on the fact that plaintiff was Ameer-ul-Momineen/Damaad-e-Rasool and defendant was a Jew.

Lastly, I narrate an authentic Hadith about the decisions made by Qazi. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said. "If the judge rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it wrong, he will have one reward".(Sahih Al-Bukhari: 7352, Sahih Al-Muslim: 1716).

The present arrangement made by our govt will not last long. Those who have read the detailed verdict of SC can tell you the fate of review petition. SC's original decision will be upheld, TLP will not accept it again, and we will witness the repeat of the last three-days but at bigger scale. You see that TLP didn't agree to write this point in the last-night agreement that all parties will accept the decision of review petition.

Keeping in view all the above, I have started looking out for Post-Doc and other jobs in my field abroad and hope to get some good offer soon. Pakistan has become a den of extremists. Everyone fears them be it Army, Police, Judges, Politicians etc.

For every individual planning on leaving there are literally hundreds preparing to go back.

 

[Hussain1967]

You have given some examples of Hadees but they are not relevant to blasphemy , so I thought I should give you some examples of Hadees which are about blasphemy .

First Hadees. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4348)

“A blind man had a freed concubine (Umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. A child fell between her legs, and became covered by blood. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I ask by Allah the man who has done this action and I order him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”

Second Hadees (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4349)
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.


My point it through two authentic Hadees is, it is evident that when one committed blasphemy , Prophet Muhammad PBUH approved that person's killing even without investigation. He didn't ask the 2 killers of the accused women , that they should have come to the prophet before killing them. He didn't ask them that they should have allowed those women to repent before you killed them. Or the Qazi should have decided if they deserved the death penalty. He could have said, you don't provide death penalty only the court does.

One Hadith and one Incident that I quoted was not about Blasphemy. My point was rule of law. Please read again what I quoted.

Regarding the Hadiths that you quoted above, Prophet himself was there. He himself was Judge as well. After his departure , we don't have this facility. So, we need investigation and judge for each and every matter, be it Blasphemy or any other Crime. Qari Salam can be petitioner only. He can't be judge. Khadim Rizvi or any other scholar of any other sect can't hand over punishment to any accused. It is the judge or judges appointed by the State who can hand over punishment or acquit a person. Once the highest Court makes a judgment (on any matter including Blasphemy), it is binding on the State to implement. No allowing State to do so is Sedition and you know the punishment of Sedition in Islam.

 

[Diesel]

Bro. ap jesey logon ki is mulk ko ashad zarorat hai. inn extremists ko ham ney har hal main knock out karna hai.. ye jahil mulwis chahtey hai ke inke raste ki har rokawat door ho jaye...

 

[Hussain1967]

حضرت علی نے گستاخِ رسول (ص) کی زبان کاٹ دی

رسولِ خدا کے مدنی دور میں (جب وہ مدینہ ہجرت کرچکے تھے، تب) کسی گستاخ شاعر نے نبی ک ریم کی شان کے خلاف گستاخانہ اشعار لکھے۔

اصحاب نے اس گستاخ شاعر کو پکڑ کر بوری میں بند کر کے حضور کے سامنے پھینک دیا..
سرکار دوعالم نے حکم دیا: اس کی زبان کاٹ دو۔

تاریخ لرز گئی، مکہ میں جو پتھر مارنے والوں کو معاف کرتا تھا. کوڑا کرکٹ پھینکنے والی کی تیمار داری کرتا تھا... اسے مدینے میں آکے آخر ہو کیا گیا۔

بعض صحابہ کرام نے عرض کی: یا رسول اللہ میں اس کی زبان کاٹنے کی سعادت حاصل کروں؟
حضور نے فرمایا: نہیں، تم نہیں
تب رسولِ خدا نے حضرت علی کو حکم دیا اس کی زبان کاٹ دو...
مولا علی بوری اٹھا کر شہر سے باہر نکلے..
اور حضرت قنبر کو حکم دیا: جا میرا اونٹ لے کر آ

اونٹ آیا مولا نے اونٹ کے پیروں سے رسی کھول دی اور شاعر کو بھی کھولا اور 2000 درہم اس کے ہاتھ میں دیے اور اس کو اونٹ پہ بیٹھایا، پھر فرمایا: تم بھاگ جاؤ ان کو میں دیکھ لونگا...

اب جو لوگ تماشا دیکھنے آئے تھے حیران رہ گئے کہ یا اللہ، حضرت علی نے تو رسول کی نافرمانی کی

رسول خدا کے پاس شکایت لے کر پہنچ گئے: یا رسول اللہ آپ نے کہا تھا زبان کاٹ دو، علی نے اس گستاخ شاعر کو 2000 درہم دیے اور آزاد کر دیا...

حضور مسکرائے اور فرمایا علی میری بات سمجھ گئے...
افسوس ہے کہ تمہاری سمجھ میں نہیں آئی

وہ لوگ پریشان ہوکر یہ کہتے چل دیے کہ: یہی تو کہا تھا کہ زبان کاٹ دو ... علی نے تو کاٹی ہی نہیں...

اگلے دن صبح، فجر کی نماز کو جب گئے تو کیا دیکھتا ہے وہ شاعر وضو کررہا ہے.. پھر وہ مسجد میں جا کر حضرت محمد ص کے پاؤں چومنے لگتا ہے. جیب سے ایک پرچہ نکال کر کہتا ہے: حضور آپ کی شان میں نعت لکھ کر لایا ہوں...

اور یوں ہوا کہ حضرت علی نے گستاخ رسول کی گستاخ زبان کو کاٹ کر اسے مدحتِ رسالت والی زبان میں تبدیل کردیا۔

حوالہ: دعائم الاسلام، جلد 2، صفحہ 323
Sallallahu Alaihe Wa'Aalihi Wa'Ashabihi Wasallam...
ye hai gustakh e Rasool Sallallahu Alaihe Wa'Aalihi Wa'ashabihi Wasallam ko hamesha ke liye khamosh karaney ka tareeka.......
hai koi muslim jo Nabi Pak Sallallahu Alaihe Wa'Aalihi Wa'ashabihi Wasallam aur Sahaba karaam Raziallahu Anhum ke tareekey pe amal karey???
copied.

Please read my reply that I gave to knowledge88 in another post. Same is for you as well.

You are debating in the wrong direction. I am all in favor for the punishment of Blasphemous under 295(c). But, my point is that Blasphemous is not what you or any Moulvi declares. It is one who court decides. Or, alternatively, abolish all judicial system and start handing over punishments by yourself.

 

[NailaFirdous]

I have read what you have written but don't understand your conclusion! If you look at the history of Pakistan over the past 70 years these things have been prevalent throughout