H. Abu Yahya's reply to Eng Ali Mirza on his first comment after release

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Janab ulta lataknay ki zarorat nahi bat sirf itni hy ky jis tarah 4 paisay kamanay kay liye hum sub achi say achi university may admission kay liye ultay lataktay hy ta kay hamari education Achay teachers say hu ta kay hamaray ilm par ksi ko aitraz na hu.
Ap he batao kya Harvard University sy parha huwa behter hy ya Al Khair University sy?
Yaha par shaid ap Harvard University ki Khobiya ginwatay huway halqan hu jaye ky waha ka qualifide tu aisa huta hy waisa huta hy.
Tu meray bhai kya agar koi banda Harvard may parhai jani wali Books parh ly or wu b Tarjumay kay sath tu kiya ap us ko b qualifide mano gay?
Jaha tak Quran ki Asani ki bat hy tu us kay sikhanay kay liye b Allah nay apnay payaray Nabi (PBUH) ko bheja ta kay us ki tashreeh karay or us tashreeh ka nam Hadith hy.
MERAY BHAI DEEN, DUNYA AKHRAT KA MAMLA HY IS KO ITNA HALKA NA SAMJO.
Like I said why have you people made it like Islam is not for the ordinary person, only some Moulvi and Mullah can teach it to us, when this itself is against the Quran. Like I said there is no such profession as Moulvi and Mullah in Islam. The whole beauty and superiority of Islam is, it has no clergy, no papacy, no popes and no priests. You are no greater than I and I am no greater than you. Every person has a direct connection with his maker yet you people have forced it into Islam and keep insisting its a must, when its not the case.

And again your analogy is wrong. You go to "university" to specialize in something, something you want to make a career out of, something you will earn money from. If you want to become a scholar of Fiqh, Publish a Tafseer of Quran etc etc then you go and get a formal education in Islam.

Quran came for the entire human race, in which there are smart people, average people and some who have a little difficulty in understanding i.e all kind of people. You think Allah would send his message to only a learned few? Rest are idiots khali wali let them burn in hell.

Basic concepts of Islam are even clear to a 8 year old child also. Every Muslim understand La ilaha ilala Muhamad ur Rasoolullah and iyakana budu wa iya kaasataqeem. Everything revolves around that and these firqas, maslaks and babas are going against these very basic tenets of Islam. You don't need a PHD to understand them.

Even as a small child whenever I heard Ya Ali Maddad it made me think, why Ali? Why not Allah? This is our built in fitra which Allah has blessed us with and all these sects and bazurgs go against this.

So open your mind and try reading the Quran with any translation of your choice yourself for a change, instead of waiting for you mullahs to tell you about it.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Read translation to understand not for making rules out of it.
Those are matter of fiqh, jurisprudence no one is doing that. If you want to become a scholar in fiqh then you take up formal education in the Quran.

For 99% of our worldly matters and affairs you don't need to do that at all.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Wo ye ni keh rahay kay Amal krnay kay tareeqay khud sy banana shuru kar du.

Jub ky yaha mushkil ye hy ky log tarjuma daikh kr Amal krnay ky tareqay khud he banana shuru hu gaye hy.
Lies, absolute lies. Its these firqa parast Moulvis who have left the Quran and Sunnah and started to follow their bazurgs and their books instead and their own rites and rituals.

This whole dawah movement is against this. To stop following your sects and bazurgs.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
KOi zururi nahi hai, Quran yeh khud kheta hai

وَ هٌذَا لِسَانٌ عَرَبِيٌّ مُّبِينٌ

“And this (the Qur`an) is in a clear, understandable, Arabic.”

عَلَى قَلْبِكَ لِتَكُونَ مِــنَ الْمُنْذِرِينَ ٭ بِلِسَانٍ عَرَبِيٍّ مُّبِينٍ

“The Trustworthy Spirit (Jibra`il) has brought this (the Qur`an) to your (Muhammad) heart so that you may be amongst the warners, in a clear, understandable, Arabic.”

If you want to be scholar, a ulema of Fiqh or something like that i.e make Islam your profession then you need to spend years studying it in detail, not for things like this. And you can gauge he has studied enough in his field which is debunking these maslaks and firqas for that it is enough. And that is why he doesn't call him self Mufti, Alama, Mullah or Moulvi, He makes it clear from the start he is a Engineer so no one is in any doubt.
Ap nay khud he apnay sawal ka adha jawab day diya hy ky Aalim or Professional wuhi hu ga ju us field ka ilm hasil kry ga.
Ab masla hy ky Ilm kaisay hasil kiya jaye ky wo Ilm mutataber (Authorized) mana jaye.
Kya her field may ap kisi ko b Professional man lay gay jis nay us field ki books or koi si b books parh li hu?
Ye Master,s karnay ky liye Bachelors krna kyo zarori huta hy or Mater,s ki books Bachelors may he kyo no parha detay?
Jub Student High schooling or Bachelors kay bad is qabil hu jata hay ky wo Masters ki books samaj sakay tub he wo un books ky liye eligible huta hy.
or agar koi baghair primary pass kiye sedha he Master,s ki book utha ky muqabla shuru kar day tu us ko serious lainay walay log non serious he hu saktay hy jin ko us field ki koi parwa nahi.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
Those are matter of fiqh, jurisprudence no one is doing that. If you want to become a scholar in fiqh then you take up formal education in the Quran.

For 99% of our worldly matters and affairs you don't need to do that at all.
Has Engineer took formal education in fiqah?
If not, then how he is eligible to comment on fiqah?
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Ap nay khud he apnay sawal ka adha jawab day diya hy ky Aalim or Professional wuhi hu ga ju us field ka ilm hasil kry ga.
Ab masla hy ky Ilm kaisay hasil kiya jaye ky wo Ilm mutataber (Authorized) mana jaye.
Kya her field may ap kisi ko b Professional man lay gay jis nay us field ki books or koi si b books parh li hu?
Ye Master,s karnay ky liye Bachelors krna kyo zarori huta hy or Mater,s ki books Bachelors may he kyo no parha detay?
Jub Student High schooling or Bachelors kay bad is qabil hu jata hay ky wo Masters ki books samaj sakay tub he wo un books ky liye eligible huta hy.
or agar koi baghair primary pass kiye sedha he Master,s ki book utha ky muqabla shuru kar day tu us ko serious lainay walay log non serious he hu saktay hy jin ko us field ki koi parwa nahi.
Oh FFS! Baba Islam mein kissi degree ki zururat nahi hoti. You are arguing pointlessly just for the sake of arguments by nit picking this one false analogy. Tumharay Mullahon ki kya qualifiqation hai? Koun si accredited Islami University se degree haasil ki hai in Quranic Studies, Fiqh, Hadith etc etc ?? Sub khoti school aur taath madrassay ke result hain. Inno ne bhi sirf apnay babaon ki kitabay hi pardi hai aur kuch nahi. 90% English to chordo Urdu mein ek jumla sahi se nahi likh sakte. Aur tum log in jahilon ko Alime deen aur Ulema maan ke sajda kerte ho aur in ke bait lete ho.

I guarantee you just read The Quran, its tafseers, Hadiths with just the resources you have at home now for just 6 months and you will come out more knowledgeable about the deen than majority of your own Mullahs.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Has Engineer took formal education in fiqah?
If not, then how he is eligible to comment on fiqah?
Till date he has not made one single video on any matter involving fiqh, And what kandoori Moulvi you worship has a degree from a University like Al Azhar in Fiqh?
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
Lies, absolute lies. Its these firqa parast Moulvis who have left the Quran and Sunnah and started to follow their bazurgs and their books instead and their own rites and rituals.

This whole dawah movement is against this. To stop following your sects and bazurgs.
Dear this is another issue who is following Quran & who is not.

Here issue is how come a non qualified person is passing judgements who has no formal education in Quran & Sunnah.
Bus Quran or Hadith ki 2,4 kitabay samnay rakhi or shuru hu gaye.

Kya ye un Sahaba, Mujtahideen, Muhaditheen or Quran ki tafaseer or Ahadith ki kitabay likhnay walo ki naqadri nahi jinho nay sari zindagi lagai is Ilm ko Hasil kiya or hum tak puhanchanaya.
Kya Engineer sahab Medicine ki books par reseach kar kay advice dena shuru kar day tu koi manay ga? Koi ni manay ga kyo ky zindagi mot ka masla hy.

DEEN KAY MAMLAY MAY JO MARZI AA KAY TARZAN BUN JAYE KOI MASLA NI.
BHAI KYA MUHAMMED (PBUH) KA LAYA HUWA DEEN JO DUNYA AKHRAT KAY LIYE HY WO ITNA BE WUQAT HY KY JU CHAHAYE US KAY SATH KHAILNA SHURU KAR DAY.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
Oh FFS! Baba Islam mein kissi degree ki zururat nahi hoti. You are arguing pointlessly just for the sake of arguments by nit picking this one false analogy. Tumharay Mullahon ki kya qualifiqation hai? Koun si accredited Islami University se degree haasil ki hai in Quranic Studies, Fiqh, Hadith etc etc ?? Sub khoti school aur taath madrassay ke result hain. Inno ne bhi sirf apnay babaon ki kitabay hi pardi hai aur kuch nahi. 90% English to chordo Urdu mein ek jumla sahi se nahi likh sakte. Aur tum log in jahilon ko Alime deen aur Ulema maan ke sajda kerte ho aur in ke bait lete ho.

I guarantee you just read The Quran, its tafseers, Hadiths with just the resources you have at home now for just 6 months and you will come out more knowledgeable about the deen than majority of your own Mullahs.
Bhai meray pass na tu itna faltu waqt hy or na dimagh ky sirf ap sy argument ky liye laga rahu.

Bat Rehbar or rehzun may farq kaRnay ki hy.
Ap ko pata b hy Asli Ulama ki Accredation kya huti hy?
Wo Ulama jin kay teachers ka silsila Sahaba or Allah kay Nabi (PBUH) tak jata hy jaisay Hadith ka Silsila Allah kay Nabi (PBUH) tak jata hy.
Ye huti hy Accredation.
Baki Quran ka knowledge may sirf is liye hasil ni karo ga kay Moulvi sahab say agay nikal jaou. Kya ap ye guarantee kar saktay hy ky Molvi say ziada Ilm hasil karnay kay bad (or shaid ap hasil b kar chukay hy) muhallay ki masjid ki zimadari khud smbhalay gay us ko kisi Molvi kay hawalay ni kry gay.

ASAL MASLA WAQAI US JAHIL MOLVI KA HY JIS NAY MASJID ABAD TU RAKHI HAY WARNA MERAY JAISA PARHA LIKHA TU MASJID KA MUH B KUM KUM HE DAIKHTA HY US KI ABADI TU DOR KI BAT HY.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Dear this is another issue who is following Quran & who is not.
Nope, THIS is the KEY matter and this is what it is all about

Kya ye un Sahaba, Mujtahideen, Muhaditheen or Quran ki tafaseer or Ahadith ki kitabay likhnay walo ki naqadri nahi jinho nay sari zindagi lagai is Ilm ko Hasil kiya or hum tak puhanchanaya.

How many times have you questioned the qualification of your moulvis eh?

You don't need to be a PHD if such a book says that some Ulema can raise people from the dead or recite the kalima in my name or many many other such blasphemous beliefs and rituals to know it has nothing to do with Islam and is nothing but shirk.

Even if a hindu comes and shows me these books by so called great Ulema which are being taught by these mullahs and firqa parasts even today in their madrassas I will have no choice but to investigate the matter.

You people really don't have any logical answers based on the Quran and Sunnah on the arguments Mirza puts forward which is also the standard of the Quran. Bring forward if you have anything if indeed you are truthful.

So what do you do? You go after the messenger instead with frivolous nit picking, oh he is "badtameez" he is not a "moulvi"

At least this Abu Yahya fellow tried to reply with some logic but even then failed miserably.

So stop wasting time chasing these useless points and bring a logical argument forward on what he says.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Wo Ulama jin kay teachers ka silsila Sahaba or Allah kay Nabi (PBUH) tak jata hy jaisay Hadith ka Silsila Allah kay Nabi (PBUH
Koun hai asa yahan? You manhood Kokab Noorani? Ya Tariq Masood his Jo shaidiyan kerne see fursat hi nahi hai? Ya Tariq Jamil Jon sahab ko jhooti Hadith air apnay firqay ki promotion ki pardi rehti hai?

Koun hai asa aalim yaha jis ka sisila Ahl e bayt ya Sahaba see jaa ker milta hai?
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ap nay khud he apnay sawal ka adha jawab day diya hy ky Aalim or Professional wuhi hu ga ju us field ka ilm hasil kry ga.
Ab masla hy ky Ilm kaisay hasil kiya jaye ky wo Ilm mutataber (Authorized) mana jaye.
Kya her field may ap kisi ko b Professional man lay gay jis nay us field ki books or koi si b books parh li hu?
Ye Master,s karnay ky liye Bachelors krna kyo zarori huta hy or Mater,s ki books Bachelors may he kyo no parha detay?
Jub Student High schooling or Bachelors kay bad is qabil hu jata hay ky wo Masters ki books samaj sakay tub he wo un books ky liye eligible huta hy.
or agar koi baghair primary pass kiye sedha he Master,s ki book utha ky muqabla shuru kar day tu us ko serious lainay walay log non serious he hu saktay hy jin ko us field ki koi parwa nahi.

What output can we expect from following syllabus of Dars-e-Nizami being taught in almost all Madrasas :

Darja ola (1st year )

nahav meer
namaz ke ahkam
insha ul arabia
tarqatul jadeda
ilm ut tajweed
muhadsa
sarf bihai
asas e arabi
..............
darja saniya (2nd year )
tasheel un nahav
tasheel us sarf
noor ul ezah
tasheel ul mantiq & taleem ul mantiq
mutala arabia
hidayat un nahav
...............
darja e salisa (3rd year)
qudoori
osool e shashi
kafia
sabae mualliqat
mirqat
duroos ul balagat
al itqan
ilm ulm quran
...........
darja e rabia (4th Year)
sharah mulla jami
hidaya
noor ul anwar
sharah tahzeeb
talkhees ul miftah
jalalain
musnad imam e azam
risyaz ul salihen
...........
darjae khamisa (5th Year)
jalalain akhri
hidaya
hussami
mukhtasar ul muaini
mishkat shareef
............
darja e sadisa (6th Year)
tuzeeh wa talweeh
hidaya
tafseer e bedawi
zubdatul fikr
siraji
sharah aqauid
....
dorah hadith (final Year)
sahih bukhari
sahih muslim
jami timrizi
sharah muaini ul asar
sunan nisai
sunan abu dawood
asar e sunan
sunan ibne maja

Above seven years course has less than 25% of Arabic, Qur'an and Siha Sitta Books. These three subject should be at least 70% of the total course.

Following are some of fatwas taken from the books such as Dar Mukhtar, Chalpi shara Wiqayah, Fatawa e Alamgir. Hidayah, Fatawa Khaniya misr etc., these books are part of Madarasa syllabus. Anybody who wants to complete Aalim Fazil program has to go through above listed books. I do have means to verify these fatwas. Can somebody check it? Following are some fatawas from these books. (پڑھیے اور سر دھنئیے)

Although these fatwas has no support from Qur'an and Hadeeth but since the above listed books are part of the Aalim Fazil course in most of the madarasas, every so called Aalim has to go through these listed below Fatwas.

1 – Is someone pays a woman to do zina [adultery] , there is no hadd [no punishment] ( Dar Mukhtar, kitab Hudud, fatawa khaniyah misr vol 3 p 508, kanz daqaiq ed deoband p 180, and this fatwa is attributed to Imam Abu Hanifa while his two students say there is hadd [Adultery Law]. It is well known that the hanafi books of fiqh there is no Chain of Narration [isnad] to their Imam)

2 – The salary of the prostitute is halal [lawful] (Chalpi shara Wiqayah)

3 – If he pays a woman to do zina or wati [Adultery or Intercourse] or if he says I will give you so much dirham or she says give me so much, there is no had [no punishment under Adultery Law] (Alamgiri, vol 2 p 168)

4 – If someone does jima [intercourse] with an animal or with a dead or a young girl (underage girl) and there is no inzal [ejaculation] , then ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah, masail ghusl, aussi Alamgiri, Kitab taharah)

5 – If someone does sodomy with a woman who fasts or a man who fasts, their fast is not broken (Hidayah, Kitab Sawm)

6 – If a young boy of 10 does Jima [intercourse] with a balighah [adult] Woman, there is no Ghusl [bathe]( Alamgiri Kitab taharah)

7 – If someone enters his penis in his dubur (anus), then ghusl is not obligatory (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

8 – If a man in his dubur [anus] or a woman in her vagina enters the penis of the dead, or his finger, or wood, there is no ghusl [bathe] (Hidayah Kitab Taharah)

9 – If someone enters the penis of an animal in her vagina or dubur [anus], the ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab Taharah Masail Ghusl)

10 – If someone enters the penis of a boy without desire in her vagina or dubur [anus], the ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

11 – After doing Jima [Intercourse] with a young girl (underage girl), it is not necessary to clean his penis (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

12 – If someone does jima [intercourse] with a virgin and the maidenhead is not broken, ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

13 – If someone does wati [intercourse] in the dubur [have anal sex or
commit bestiality] of an animal or in his anus and there is no inzal, then Ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Hidayah kitab taharah)

14 – If the balighah woman [adult woman] does wati [intercourse] with a young boy or with a crazy, then the woman has no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

15 – If someone does wati [intercourse] with a non balighah woman [non adult woman], or with a dead or an animal, there is no hadd [punishment] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

16 – If someone does zina [adultery] with the salve of his child or great child, there is no hadd (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

17 – If someone does zina [adultery] with the slave of grand father or grand mother, there is no Hadd [Punishment for Adultery](Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

18 – If someone has a slave in rahn (security for loan) and he does zina [adultery], there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

19 – If someone does nikah [Marriage] with a mahram [sister, mother or daughter or real blood aunt] for ever woman and consider it halal [lawful], there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

20 – The woman that are for ever forbidden, and he does nikah and he even if he considers that haram [Unlawful] , there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud, et Alamgiri who attribute that to Imam Abu Hanifa)

21 – If he does nikah [marriage] with a woman and joins in nikah his wife’s sister or mother, there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Alamgiri)

22 – If he does temporary marriage [Muta'ah] and he considers that haram [Unlawful], there is no hadd [[Punishment for Adultery] (Alamgiri)

23 – If someone does nikah with a woman who is married before, and he knows she has a husband and it is haram [Unlawful] , there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] Fatawa Khaniya misr vol 3 p 508)

24 – There is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] of zina [Adultery] for the one who cannot speak, neither any hadd [Punishment for Adultery] for something else, even if the witness are present and he admits with isharah [gesture] or by writing (Alamgiri misr, vol 2 p 168)

25 – If someone kidnaps a slave, does zina [Adultery] and pay his responsible [Owner] for her price, there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

26 – If someone gives permission to another to do zina [Intercourse] with his slave, there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Alamgiri vol 2 p 169)

27 – If the Khalifah or the imam or the king does zina [ADULTERY] there is no hadd [PUNISHMENT] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud) [also in Hidaya and that Hidaya is being taught in Pakistani Madressah]

28 – There is no hadd for sodomy [Anal Intercourse] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

29 – If someone does zina [ADULTERY] in dar ul harb [Land/Country of Infidels] or in the land of revolted people, there is no hadd [PUNISHMENT] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)
Imagine an Aalim from these madaras is given task to teach children, what would you expect from these so-called madarasa moulvis.

Government should regularize the madrasa syllabus so that it may be free from all above “kharafaats”

 
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khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
Koun hai asa yahan? You manhood Kokab Noorani? Ya Tariq Masood his Jo shaidiyan kerne see fursat hi nahi hai? Ya Tariq Jamil Jon sahab ko jhooti Hadith air apnay firqay ki promotion ki pardi rehti hai?

Koun hai asa aalim yaha jis ka sisila Ahl e bayt ya Sahaba see jaa ker milta hai?
Janab Ghussa karnay ki bat ni, na he may ap say koi muqabla jeetna chahta hu.
Aisay ulama jinhu nay mustanad zaraye sy ilm hasil kiya puri dunya may maujud hy.

Baki saray Dr, Mar b jaye tu Medical College kay bahar Tharay par baith kar dawai denay wala phir b qualified ni hu ga.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
What output can we expect from following syllabus of Dars-e-Nizami being taught in almost all Madrasas :

Darja ola (1st year )

nahav meer
namaz ke ahkam
insha ul arabia
tarqatul jadeda
ilm ut tajweed
muhadsa
sarf bihai
asas e arabi
..............
darja saniya (2nd year )
tasheel un nahav
tasheel us sarf
noor ul ezah
tasheel ul mantiq & taleem ul mantiq
mutala arabia
hidayat un nahav
...............
darja e salisa (3rd year)
qudoori
osool e shashi
kafia
sabae mualliqat
mirqat
duroos ul balagat
al itqan
ilm ulm quran
...........
darja e rabia (4th Year)
sharah mulla jami
hidaya
noor ul anwar
sharah tahzeeb
talkhees ul miftah
jalalain
musnad imam e azam
risyaz ul salihen
...........
darjae khamisa (5th Year)
jalalain akhri
hidaya
hussami
mukhtasar ul muaini
mishkat shareef
............
darja e sadisa (6th Year)
tuzeeh wa talweeh
hidaya
tafseer e bedawi
zubdatul fikr
siraji
sharah aqauid
....
dorah hadith (final Year)
sahih bukhari
sahih muslim
jami timrizi
sharah muaini ul asar
sunan nisai
sunan abu dawood
asar e sunan
sunan ibne maja

Above seven years course has less than 25% of Arabic, Qur'an and Siha Sitta Books. These three subject should be at least 70% of the total course.

Following are some of fatwas taken from the books such as Dar Mukhtar, Chalpi shara Wiqayah, Fatawa e Alamgir. Hidayah, Fatawa Khaniya misr etc., these books are part of Madarasa syllabus. Anybody who wants to complete Aalim Fazil program has to go through above listed books. Following are some fatawas from these books. (پڑھیے اور سر دھنئیے)

Although these fatwas has no support from Qur'an and Hadeeth but since the above listed books are part of the Aalim Fazil course in most of the madarasas, every so called Aalim has to go through these listed below Fatwas.

1 – Is someone pays a woman to do zina [adultery] , there is no hadd [no punishment] ( Dar Mukhtar, kitab Hudud, fatawa khaniyah misr vol 3 p 508, kanz daqaiq ed deoband p 180, and this fatwa is attributed to Imam Abu Hanifa while his two students say there is hadd [Adultery Law]. It is well known that the hanafi books of fiqh there is no Chain of Narration [isnad] to their Imam)

2 – The salary of the prostitute is halal [lawful] (Chalpi shara Wiqayah)

3 – If he pays a woman to do zina or wati [Adultery or Intercourse] or if he says I will give you so much dirham or she says give me so much, there is no had [no punishment under Adultery Law] (Alamgiri, vol 2 p 168)

4 – If someone does jima [intercourse] with an animal or with a dead or a young girl (underage girl) and there is no inzal [ejaculation] , then ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah, masail ghusl, aussi Alamgiri, Kitab taharah)

5 – If someone does sodomy with a woman who fasts or a man who fasts, their fast is not broken (Hidayah, Kitab Sawm)

6 – If a young boy of 10 does Jima [intercourse] with a balighah [adult] Woman, there is no Ghusl [bathe]( Alamgiri Kitab taharah)

7 – If someone enters his penis in his dubur (anus), then ghusl is not obligatory (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

8 – If a man in his dubur [anus] or a woman in her vagina enters the penis of the dead, or his finger, or wood, there is no ghusl [bathe] (Hidayah Kitab Taharah)

9 – If someone enters the penis of an animal in her vagina or dubur [anus], the ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab Taharah Masail Ghusl)

10 – If someone enters the penis of a boy without desire in her vagina or dubur [anus], the ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

11 – After doing Jima [Intercourse] with a young girl (underage girl), it is not necessary to clean his penis (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

12 – If someone does jima [intercourse] with a virgin and the maidenhead is not broken, ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab taharah Masail Ghusl)

13 – If someone does wati [intercourse] in the dubur [have anal sex or
commit bestiality] of an animal or in his anus and there is no inzal, then Ghusl [bathe] is not wajib [obligatory] (Hidayah kitab taharah)

14 – If the balighah woman [adult woman] does wati [intercourse] with a young boy or with a crazy, then the woman has no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

15 – If someone does wati [intercourse] with a non balighah woman [non adult woman], or with a dead or an animal, there is no hadd [punishment] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

16 – If someone does zina [adultery] with the salve of his child or great child, there is no hadd (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

17 – If someone does zina [adultery] with the slave of grand father or grand mother, there is no Hadd [Punishment for Adultery](Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

18 – If someone has a slave in rahn (security for loan) and he does zina [adultery], there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

19 – If someone does nikah [Marriage] with a mahram [sister, mother or daughter or real blood aunt] for ever woman and consider it halal [lawful], there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

20 – The woman that are for ever forbidden, and he does nikah and he even if he considers that haram [Unlawful] , there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud, et Alamgiri who attribute that to Imam Abu Hanifa)

21 – If he does nikah [marriage] with a woman and joins in nikah his wife’s sister or mother, there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Alamgiri)

22 – If he does temporary marriage [Muta'ah] and he considers that haram [Unlawful], there is no hadd [[Punishment for Adultery] (Alamgiri)

23 – If someone does nikah with a woman who is married before, and he knows she has a husband and it is haram [Unlawful] , there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] Fatawa Khaniya misr vol 3 p 508)

24 – There is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] of zina [Adultery] for the one who cannot speak, neither any hadd [Punishment for Adultery] for something else, even if the witness are present and he admits with isharah [gesture] or by writing (Alamgiri misr, vol 2 p 168)

25 – If someone kidnaps a slave, does zina [Adultery] and pay his responsible [Owner] for her price, there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

26 – If someone gives permission to another to do zina [Intercourse] with his slave, there is no hadd [Punishment for Adultery] (Alamgiri vol 2 p 169)

27 – If the Khalifah or the imam or the king does zina [ADULTERY] there is no hadd [PUNISHMENT] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud) [also in Hidaya and that Hidaya is being taught in Pakistani Madressah]

28 – There is no hadd for sodomy [Anal Intercourse] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)

29 – If someone does zina [ADULTERY] in dar ul harb [Land/Country of Infidels] or in the land of revolted people, there is no hadd [PUNISHMENT] (Dar Mukhtar Kitab hudud)
Imagine an Aalim from these madaras is given task to teach children, what would you expect from these so-called madarasa moulvis.

Government should regularize the madrasa syllabus so that it may be free from all above “kharafaats”

Masters ki degree kisi b subject may 16,18 sal may milti hy us say pehlay Primary, Middle or High Schooling kyo krwatay hay? Isi liye kay us ki agay ki education kay liye us ko tayyar kiya jaye.
Kya primary sy he students ko Engineering parhai jati hy?
Isi tarah Madaris kay nisab may b isi system ko apnaya jata hy.
 

howsthat4u

Citizen
Bohat Achay janab.
Yani Jis maslay kay baray may discussion hu ri hu us field kay Ilm ky baghair he faislay shuru kar diye jaye. Yani Ilm koi daleel nahi?
Jis field ka masla hu ga is field ky qualified admi sy he faisla kraya jaye ga.
Kya bemar ka Ilaj Engineer sy krwaya jaye ga.
Ap shaid jantay hu gy ky Medicene distribution compinies ky Salaes walay hutay hy ky ju Doctors ko batatay hy ky un ki medicine kon kon si bimari may use huti hay.
Kya ap apnay patient ko medicine sales person ky pas ly kar jaye gay ?
Kabhi nahi ly kar jaye gay kyo ky wo Ilaj karnay kay lie qualifide nahi.
Us ka Ilm boht mehdod hy.
Isi tarah Sirf tarjuma daikh kar Fatway dena b medicine sales person he ki tarh hy un ko ap Deen kay doctor par kaisay tarjeeh day saktay hy.
Shaid kisi ne apko btaya ni ke deen ka doctor bi ghalat ho sakta hai or medicine wala doctor bi. Kahi ni kaha islam ne ke degree pucho ilm walay ki... ab jb sb ne smjhaya hai apko tu translation pe baat ghuma ke le gaye ho... ap jeso ka bi koi ilaj nhi.
 

howsthat4u

Citizen
Hafiz Abu Yaya saab has done an excellent job in exposing lies of Mirza Saani. Watch all his videos on youtube and find out how Mirza saani has been deceiving people for long time. Hats off to this man who is very polite, very learned and articulate in his programmes. Mirza so far has not repnded to any of his assertions due to his incapacity. Many of Mirza Saani followers have already said good bye after listening to Hafiz Saab. Bless him
Don't say watch all his videos. Just tell me exactly the video where he PROVES that Ali Mirza is a mirza sani. Otherwise your allegation inShaAllah will land you in Jahannam...
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
Pehli bat samaj lay ky Quran ka sirf trajuma Parna or bat hy, Yaha tu Mushkil ye hy ky log sirf tarjuma parh kr Fatway b dena shuru kar detay hy. Jab ky kisi b maslay ka hal nikalnay ky liye us maslay ky mutaliq jitni ayat hy, Ahadith hy or Sahaba karam nay us per kis trah amal kia sub ka pata huna zarori hy.
20, 20 sal lagao apnay profession may qualifide hunay kay liye or Deen ky mamlay may sirf Tarjuma parh ky Fatway dena shuru.
Or kuch ni bhai sirf Deen ko halka samja huwa hy.
BAHI PHELA TU APP NA QURAN KO PORN SA MESSAL DIYA

AUR ABI TAK DEHED BANAWAH HOWA HO APP

DOSRI DEEN HALKA NAHI

DEEN ASAN HAIN AGAR KABI QURAN PARHANA KI AUR SAMJ NA KI KOSHI HI TUM NA
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
Boht Shukria Bhai, Bat asan kar di ap nay.
Dr. Israr sahab isi bat par tawaju dila rahay hy ky khud namaz parhanay walay bano. Khud Janaza parhanay walay bano, Yani Amal karnay walay bano Amal krna sekho. Wo ye ni keh rahay kay Amal krnay kay tareeqay khud sy banana shuru kar du.

Jub ky yaha mushkil ye hy ky log tarjuma daikh kr Amal krnay ky tareqay khud he banana shuru hu gaye hy.


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