Wake up Pak
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Mayri maloomat kay hisaab say kisi nay koi hajj nahi kiya agar kiya hota tou koi history ya Quran may detail hoti.
Hajj ka Tariqa, Hajj k 5 din,
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atensari
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تمہیں کسی چیز کا علم ہی نہیں ہے. جس کا تمہیں علم نا ہو تم سمجھتے ہو اس کا وجود ہی نہیں
Wake up Pak
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Behus kisi aur taraf na moro hajj ka batao kay jis tara toum loog hajj kartay ho kiya woh Quran may hay?
atensari
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تمہاری معلومات کا ماخذ کیا ہے؟
حدیث کی طرح تاریخ بھی انسان مرتب کرتے ہیں کیا تم انسانوں کی بات مانتے ہو
Wake up Pak
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Chalo toum apni maloomat say bata dou kay unn Rasool nay kab aur kaysay hajj kiya
atensari
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تم تاریخ کی کتابوں میں درج رسول اور اصحاب رسول کے اقوال اور افعال مانتے ہو؟
Wake up Pak
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May manu ya na manu woh alag behus hay phir wohi sawal
Mayri maloomat kay hisaab say kisi nay koi hajj nahi kiya agar kiya hota tou koi history ya Quran may detail hoti.
atensari
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تمارا ماننا نا ماننا ایک برابر ہے
Wake up Pak
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Matlab tumharay paas koi jawab ya daleel nahi hay
Wake up Pak
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Chalo itna bata dou kay hazrat Ibrahim nay Kaaba banaya ya nahi?
The very first question to answer for oneself for anyone who claims to be a muslim is, is islam a religion or a governing system?
Why this question arises? It arises because when a human being comes into this world he comes into this world through other people. One does not raise oneself rather other people raise him. The fact is, where other people are involved or become involved or remain involved then their organisation and regulation is or becomes and remains a necessity.
This is why islam cannot be a religion at all if it is truly from God rather it out of necessity has to be a governing system for organising and regulating humans into a purpose based proper human community in kingdom of their creator and sustainer. Why? Because each and every human being needs help and full support of other human beings otherwise one cannot come into this world, one cannot raise oneself, one cannot look after oneself when one grows old, one cannot look after oneself if one by mistake or by accident becomes invalid or incapacitated or disabled etc etc. Not only that but one may have or develop health problems at any stage of one's life when one needs help and support of others. So one can see why God has given humanity a perfect governing system in order to ensure well being of mankind through help and support of each other by their complementing each other purposefully properly for these like reasons.
These are not the only reasons why people need each other rather there are also other reasons as well. For example, none of the human beings can meet all his needs and wants all by oneself. Now think about what are daily needs of a human being and how they can be met. From footwear, clothes, food, shelter, education etc etc etc.
The other main reason why people need a purpose based proper governing system is, so that they stick together for peace between themselves so that they could make the needed necessary progress for their prosperity in order to meet their daily needs. Think about if people will not stick together and instead they will get involved in dispute, rivalries, animosities, conflicts, fights and wars between themselves for dominance over each other for undermining each other for securing their own petty personal gains from each other at each other's expense then how will they be able to help and support each other to ensure well being of each other without which they cannot exist or remain in existence?
This is why 5 pillars of islam are primary or main or key or fundamental aims and objectives of quranic constitution according to which islamic laws are to be legislated. TOWHEED and SALAAH simply mean gathering of mankind under one true God. The God who has made himself known to mankind through his prophets and messengers from among mankind themselves throughout times and places. Starting with adam and completing with muhammad. This is why towheed does not mean belief in poojha of one God. This is why salaah does not mean pooja rituals.
For the very same reasons SOWM does not mean holding back oneself from eating and drinking etc etc but to hold oneself back from thinking and doing anything which causes break up or dismantling of the purpose based proper human community that is brought about.
For the very same reasons ZAKAAH does not mean 2.5% charity for poor but to think and do all one can to grow, develop, strengthen and make the purpose based proper human community expand in all directions and in each and every way which is good and ensures its well being.
For the very same reasons HAJJ does not mean a journey to makkah in saudi arabia for visiting kaabah but a sacred journey or undertaking by the purpose based proper human community for bringing about a place or land or kingdom wherein live or reside or stay or dwell people of the purpose based proper human community in kingdom of their creator and sustainer. This is why once these people have a place to stay they are to maintain it according to the best of their God given abilities in line with purpose based proper guidance of Allah for mankind.
This is the proper islam according to the quranic teaching which is a governing system for humanity. This is why islam cannot be a religion because religion is invented by mankind themselves and it has been mainly used to divert mankind from thinking and doing things God told mankind to think and do. This is why religion has been backed up by dominant people always because it gives them freedom to use and abuse people at will in the very name of God.
I have explained in detail benefits and advantages of God given governing system but can any mullaan or mullaan pupil explain the benefits and advantges of religion?
Why this question arises? It arises because when a human being comes into this world he comes into this world through other people. One does not raise oneself rather other people raise him. The fact is, where other people are involved or become involved or remain involved then their organisation and regulation is or becomes and remains a necessity.
This is why islam cannot be a religion at all if it is truly from God rather it out of necessity has to be a governing system for organising and regulating humans into a purpose based proper human community in kingdom of their creator and sustainer. Why? Because each and every human being needs help and full support of other human beings otherwise one cannot come into this world, one cannot raise oneself, one cannot look after oneself when one grows old, one cannot look after oneself if one by mistake or by accident becomes invalid or incapacitated or disabled etc etc. Not only that but one may have or develop health problems at any stage of one's life when one needs help and support of others. So one can see why God has given humanity a perfect governing system in order to ensure well being of mankind through help and support of each other by their complementing each other purposefully properly for these like reasons.
These are not the only reasons why people need each other rather there are also other reasons as well. For example, none of the human beings can meet all his needs and wants all by oneself. Now think about what are daily needs of a human being and how they can be met. From footwear, clothes, food, shelter, education etc etc etc.
The other main reason why people need a purpose based proper governing system is, so that they stick together for peace between themselves so that they could make the needed necessary progress for their prosperity in order to meet their daily needs. Think about if people will not stick together and instead they will get involved in dispute, rivalries, animosities, conflicts, fights and wars between themselves for dominance over each other for undermining each other for securing their own petty personal gains from each other at each other's expense then how will they be able to help and support each other to ensure well being of each other without which they cannot exist or remain in existence?
This is why 5 pillars of islam are primary or main or key or fundamental aims and objectives of quranic constitution according to which islamic laws are to be legislated. TOWHEED and SALAAH simply mean gathering of mankind under one true God. The God who has made himself known to mankind through his prophets and messengers from among mankind themselves throughout times and places. Starting with adam and completing with muhammad. This is why towheed does not mean belief in poojha of one God. This is why salaah does not mean pooja rituals.
For the very same reasons SOWM does not mean holding back oneself from eating and drinking etc etc but to hold oneself back from thinking and doing anything which causes break up or dismantling of the purpose based proper human community that is brought about.
For the very same reasons ZAKAAH does not mean 2.5% charity for poor but to think and do all one can to grow, develop, strengthen and make the purpose based proper human community expand in all directions and in each and every way which is good and ensures its well being.
For the very same reasons HAJJ does not mean a journey to makkah in saudi arabia for visiting kaabah but a sacred journey or undertaking by the purpose based proper human community for bringing about a place or land or kingdom wherein live or reside or stay or dwell people of the purpose based proper human community in kingdom of their creator and sustainer. This is why once these people have a place to stay they are to maintain it according to the best of their God given abilities in line with purpose based proper guidance of Allah for mankind.
This is the proper islam according to the quranic teaching which is a governing system for humanity. This is why islam cannot be a religion because religion is invented by mankind themselves and it has been mainly used to divert mankind from thinking and doing things God told mankind to think and do. This is why religion has been backed up by dominant people always because it gives them freedom to use and abuse people at will in the very name of God.
I have explained in detail benefits and advantages of God given governing system but can any mullaan or mullaan pupil explain the benefits and advantges of religion?
Main questions are not who built kaabah and why or when, where and how but of what benefit and advantage is kaabah for mankind?
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Wake up Pak
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This is a million-dollar question and the answer is in your question.
People need to realise the fact that they need purpose based proper education, training and skills or random education, training and skills will not be of much use nor they will lead one anywhere where one should be.
For example, if one wants to be the best footballer then one needs education related to football. One needs training related to football and one needs skills related to football. What use will be education, training and skills for him about woodworking or cookery?
Likewise if mankind want to bring about a good human world then they need education, training and skills which can help them bring about and maintain a good human world. No other education, training and skills will enable them do that. If any people cannot understand this simple explanation then they are as good as a brain dead people.
For example, if one wants to be the best footballer then one needs education related to football. One needs training related to football and one needs skills related to football. What use will be education, training and skills for him about woodworking or cookery?
Likewise if mankind want to bring about a good human world then they need education, training and skills which can help them bring about and maintain a good human world. No other education, training and skills will enable them do that. If any people cannot understand this simple explanation then they are as good as a brain dead people.
These mullaans are stupid because they think and do stupid things instead of thinking and doing things they need to think and do. They are stupid because they teach others to think and do stupid things instead of teaching them things they need to think and do.
These mullaans and their followers are brain dead because they do not see why there beliefs and practices cannot be from God for mankind. It is because mankind are 8 billion in the world today and how many can gather for hajj in place of hajj? Human population is going to increase with time and so is going to increase number of muslims.
Same problem is there with namaaz, people cannot pray 5 times daily in places where there are no normal length days and nights. Also the earth is round and people cannot face kaaba from all over the earth. Moreover if people go in space and on other planets etc then again there will arise more problems of this nature.
The same is true for fasting in such places where days and nights are not of normal length. A sure proof so called islamic religious beliefs and practices of mullaans' are not from God.
I have explained these things in detail already if people will care to read through my posts.
Things are beginning to have some effect so now more and more people are questioning mullaans' islam and they are trying to figure out actual islam but still there is a very long way to go yet.
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اگرشیطان کو جوابی پتھر مارنے کی اجازت ہوتی توزیادہ پاکستانی حاجی ایمبولینس پر واپس آتے
اگرشیطان کو جوابی پتھر مارنے کی اجازت ہوتی توزیادہ پاکستانی حاجی ایمبولینس پر واپس آتے
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اگرشیطان کو جوابی پتھر مارنے کی اجازت ہوتی توزیادہ پاکستانی حاجی ایمبولینس پر واپس آتے
Why will shaitan stone them when they are shayaateen themselves? Do we not see with our own eyes how they deal with each other? They are ripping each other apart wherever we see them and they will continue doing that because they are nothing more than deceivers who declare commitment to deen of islam but by their thoughts and actions they reject and oppose it because their works are shaitanic.
According to the quran people who declare their commitment to deen of islam but their thoughts and actions are against it are bound for harm and destruction by hands of each other and that is what we are seeing with our own eyes.
Wake up Pak
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As received.
The Last Prophet almost conceded to the demand of his contemporaries to maintain the friendship. Out of mercy God strengthened his heart and admonished him in the strongest terms that He would inflict the prophet with double punishment in this world and after death - if he had invented something else besides the Quran.
They almost diverted you from Our revelations revealed to you because they pressured you to invent ' something else’. Only with that condition, they would have considered you as a friend. If it were not that We strengthened you, you almost leaned toward them a little bit. Had you done so We would have doubled the punishment for you in this life and after death. You would have found no one to help you against Us. (17:73-75)
