Hindu/Muslim Riots in Saharanpur India, Paramilitary called in : TOI (achay din ana shuru hogayehaii

[modern.fakir]

Saharanpur remains tense after communal clashes, forces rushed

TNN | Jul 26, 2014, 09.20 PM IST

Three people died and 18 were inured during the communal clashes in Saharanpur on July 26, 2014. (AP photo)

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NEW DELHI: Around 600 paramilitary force personnel have been sent to Uttar Pradesh by the Centre to maintain law and order situation in the state in the wake of violence in Saharanpur.

The decision to sent the paramilitary forces was taken after home minister Rajnath Singh spoke to Uttar Pradesh chief minister Akhilesh Yadav, official sources said.

Singh had asked Yadav to ensure communal harmony in the state in the wake of violence in Saharanpur and offered all help to contain the situation.

The home minister, who is personally monitoring the situation in Uttar Pradesh, had telephoned Yadav and expressed his concern over the violent clashes that broke out between two communities in the western UP town.
Earlier on Saturday, violent clashes broke out in Saharanpur district over a land dispute between two communities. Even as curfew was imposed in three police station areas, three people died, while at least 18 others, including five policemen, were injured during the clashes in Kutubshehr area of Saharanpur.

Several shops were set on fire during the clashes in Saharanpur. (TOI photo by Sukanta Mukherjee)

Police commissioner of Saharanpur Tanveer Zafar Ali said a policeman sustained bullet injuries during the clashes and has been referred to PGI in a serious condition.

The communal conflagration also resulted in nearly two dozen shops and vehicles being gutted in the Saharanpur area. DIG Saharanpur N Ravindra said the clashes started over an old dispute over a piece of land caught in litigation, lodged between two places of worship.

On Saturday, members of one community began constructing a boundary wall around the land, which was then opposed by members from the second community. The brawl began with a verbal spat and led to the two groups hurling stones at each other. The violence flared up despite the police's intervention.

District police said they used force and fired rubber bullets to bring the condition under control. Following the communal tension, the district administration imposed section 144 of the CrPC in Saharanpur.

(With inputs from PTI)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Saharanpur-remains-tense-after-communal-clashes-forces-rushed/articleshow/39062310.cms

 

[modern.fakir]

Some hallucinating idiots on this forum are quick to harp "Akhand BHarat" when their house is on fire [hilar][hilar]...with upto 30 major independance movements brewing in their country. Its time they focus on stopping their country from disintegration before talking about akhand this and akhand that [hilar][hilar]

Pakistan is ready to assist any Indian states should they ask for help as it has to ensure that the humanitarian crisis doesnt reach epic proportions :biggthumpup:

 

[modern.fakir]

seems like Uttar Pradesh is not happy with the state of affairs in india ....maybe they want something else (bigsmile).....first muzzaffarnagar and now this ....god knows whats coming next....

 

[lurker]

Some hallucinating idiots on this forum are quick to harp "Akhand BHarat" when their house is on fire [hilar][hilar]...with upto 30 major independance movements brewing in their country. Its time they focus on stopping their country from disintegration before talking about akhand this and akhand that [hilar][hilar]

Pakistan is ready to assist any Indian states should they ask for help as it has to ensure that the humanitarian crisis doesnt reach epic proportions :biggthumpup:

It's not over until the fat lady sings. And she still hasn't sung. ;) Film abhi chal rahi hai.

 

[modern.fakir]

hows life man ?

It's not over until the fat lady sings. And she still hasn't sung. ;) Film abhi chal rahi hai.

 

[ranaji]

Yes PAKHANDDDD Bharat,,,, Aman kaaa Tamasha

 

[alimohsan52]

​I admire the work of brother @modern.fakir. However, my humble request is we should always fear Allah, and not laugh at this situation which has involved the loss of life and someone's loved one being lost, may Allah guide us to the right path. We should work to strengthen Pakistan and tackle the enemies within.

Dushman maray tha khushi na karia, sajna vee mar Jana

 

[modern.fakir]

appreciate your feedback. However, if you analyse my comments then the laughs are at those who laugh at Pakistan for its problems when they have a myriad of issues in their own country. One way of strengthening Pakistan is weakening the arguments of opponents who wrongfully malign Pakistan for its problems and use it as a pretext for their invalid theories and arguments ...

i totally abhor the deaths of humanity for any communal reason ...and it is completely saddening ..

​I admire the work of brother @modern.fakir. However, my humble request is we should always fear Allah, and not laugh at this situation which has involved the loss of life and someone's loved one being lost, may Allah guide us to the right path. We should work to strengthen Pakistan and tackle the enemies within.

Dushman maray tha khushi na karia, sajna vee mar Jana

 

[bumbookhan]

​I admire the work of brother @modern.fakir. However, my humble request is we should always fear Allah, and not laugh at this situation which has involved the loss of life and someone's loved one being lost, may Allah guide us to the right path. We should work to strengthen Pakistan and tackle the enemies within.

Dushman maray tha khushi na karia, sajna vee mar Jana

appreciate your feedback. However, if you analyse my comments then the laughs are at those who laugh at Pakistan for its problems when they have a myriad of issues in their own country. One way of strengthening Pakistan is weakening the arguments of opponents who wrongfully malign Pakistan for its problems and use it as a pretext for their invalid theories and arguments ...

i totally abhor the deaths of humanity for any communal reason ...and it is completely saddening ..

sachcha musalman ban insan ban , ek bhale insaan ne jo seekh di hai use ganth bandh le .

 

[lurker]

hows life man ?

Alhamdullillah. It has improved by the grace of Allah.

 

[modern.fakir]

dekh jub 2 insaan baat ker rahay hon...to bheech mein "janwar" ka kiya kaam hai ??[hilar][hilar]

Tunay jo harkat ki hai woh insaanoan wali hai ???...ab mu kala kerwa ker doosroan ko insaniyat sikhata hai ??....Kesa janwar hai tu ?? [hilar][hilar]

sachcha musalman ban insan ban , ek bhale insaan ne jo seekh di hai use ganth bandh le .

 

[Lodhi]

 

[bumbookhan]

dekh jub 2 insaan baat ker rahay hon...to bheech mein "janwar" ka kiya kaam hai ??[hilar][hilar]

Tunay jo harkat ki hai woh insaanoan wali hai ???...ab mu kala kerwa ker doosroan ko insaniyat sikhata hai ??....Kesa janwar hai tu ?? [hilar][hilar]

dekh le harkat teri janwar wali hai ,insano ke khoon bahne par tere jaise janwar hi khush hote hai . shame on you .

 

[bhasin_parveen]

Yes PAKHANDDDD Bharat,,,, Aman kaaa Tamasha

rana jee kee chevel mari je

 

[bumbookhan]

rana jee kee chevel mari je

purani aadat hai padistani ki,aadat se mazboor hai.

 

[chandbibi]

Some delusional fools think they can help others. This article should enlighten these fools about what is the real assessment of their capabilities and future on the ground by someone who has studied Pakistan closely.

South Asian political and military affairs expert Christine Fair's recent study on the Pakistan Army concludes that Pakistan would not be satisfied even if there was a solution to Kashmir, because for the Pakistan army, the war against India is a 'jihad' or war of civilizations. In India to promote her book, 'Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War', Fair tells Indrani Bagchi that she believes Pakistan's North Waziristan terrorist clean-up was just an eye-wash and why the US continues to cut Pakistan cheques

What is the central theme in your book?
I look at a puzzle in the book: Why does Pakistan persist with its revisionism as long as it has? Given that with every subsequent endeavour they become less successful. On top of that, the primary tools they developed to harass India is jihad. Because of a series of events following 911, a large swath of those jihadi groups it nurtured for use on India and Afghanistan have formed the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). So not only is this strategy failing, it's actually imperiling the viability of the state itself.

Why does Pakistan do this?
I've been assembling Pakistani defence publications. I'm not relying on interviews with these people (Pakistan army) because they lie. The people I have interviewed in the ISI never deviate from the script. These texts are really a conversation they have amongst themselves. I derived from this their strategic culture.

You speak about the idea of 'jihad' being central to Pakistan's way of war.
It's surprising just how much jihad and Islam is actually in their publications. If the US army or India were to do this, it would be so controversial. What Pakistan is trying to do is use jihad to mobilize and to boost the morale of their troops so they are on perpetual war footing with India.
It's kind of demoralizing if you think you can't actually win against India. So the use of jihad is a way to make it seem as if everything the Pakistan army does is Islamically justified. For example, they say India started every war. Therefore they describe their response to these wars as defence of jihad.

How do they refer to India?
They always pitch India as a "Hindu"nation. This is critical to them because they are settling up this civilization battle. Every army chief says the two-nation theory is their ideology and the army protects their ideology and geography.

Is there an interest in getting another special envoy for Kashmir in the US administration?

Every US president starts with a renewed interest in Kashmir. Obama did, with the appointment of the special representative, which was supposed to be Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. People like Barnett Rubin and Ahmed Rashid argue for a grand bargain that solves Kashmir. This is all rubbish, I argue.

Pakistan is actually an ideological state. The Kashmir issue is not causal, it's symptomatic. Pakistan is not a security seeking state in which we can satisfy their insecurities. Instead it's an ideological state. I lay out a structure for containing Pakistan, because there is nothing in our toolbox that will reshape it.

Which means even if there is a solution to Kashmir, Pakistan would not be satisfied?
Yes. It's costly for Pakistan to maintain this competition, but they view defeat very differently. They don't view it in terms of territory lost or value of territory or number of lives lost. They view defeat as that moment when they can no longer resist India. They are like an international insurgent.

That's why they keep taking calculated risks, knowing well they are never going to achieve the outcome. The goal is simply to exhibit to India that India cannot exert its will in the neighbourhood. If there were to be any kind of negotiation on Kashmir that gives up any inch of territory, it's not going to fix the situation.

What is your assessment of Pakistan's North Waziristan operation, Zarb-e-azb?
It is Zarb-e-bakwas. We have seen it before. To me it is an awful lot like what happened in 2009 in South Waziristan. They gave months of warning; any terrorist worth his salt has already left either with the internal refugees or - as was the desired effect - into Afghanistan.
What most people don't know is Senator Levin put in a proviso in FY 2015 that says if the Pakistanis don't do an operation in North Waziristan we're not going to give them $300 or $900 million. Now that they are done with this operation, the Pakistanis are making an argument in Washington DC that they should be given continued coalition support.

This is outrageous. They are creating and sustaining an insurgency , then they ask for compensation to protect the border. They're actually asking for money to protect them from their own Frankenstein's monster.

Will America give in?
I think they will. The irony is this: the Americans will help them kill as many terrorists as they will let them. But the Americans won't make them stop producing more terrorists. They (Pakistanis) have taken $30 billion from us, they still kill our troops and we still pay the cheques. Osama bin Laden was in Abbottabad and still the cheques are coming.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-longer-resist-India/articleshow/39083550.cms

Some hallucinating idiots on this forum are quick to harp "Akhand BHarat" when their house is on fire [hilar][hilar]...with upto 30 major independance movements brewing in their country. Its time they focus on stopping their country from disintegration before talking about akhand this and akhand that [hilar][hilar]

Pakistan is ready to assist any Indian states should they ask for help as it has to ensure that the humanitarian crisis doesnt reach epic proportions :biggthumpup:

 

[modern.fakir]

insanoan ka khoon tumaray hi mulk kay janwaron nay bahaya hai ...(bigsmile)...aur tu idher unkay khoon pay siasat kernay aya hai ....sherm ker ...India mein communal riots mein begunah log maray jarahay hain....modi musalmanoan ka katl ker raha hai ....aur tu yahan tihar say beth ker bakwaas ker ta ....che che che kesay admi hai tu :biggthumpup:

dekh le harkat teri janwar wali hai ,insano ke khoon bahne par tere jaise janwar hi khush hote hai . shame on you .

 

[modern.fakir]

These theories apart the saharanpur riots have killed 3 more people again as the state government and bjp are both involved in power struggle...ache din agaye hain :biggthumpup:

Saharanpur riot: 20 arrested, BJP accuses UP govt of promoting communal tension

TNN | Jul 27, 2014, 11.14 AM IST

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Saharanpur riot: BJP accuses UP govt of promoting communal tension

SAHARANPUR/NEW DELHI: BJP has accused the Akhilesh Yadav-led Samajwadi Party government in Uttar Pradesh of promoting communal tension to reap political benefits after three people were killed in clashes in Saharanpur.

20 people have been arrested in connection with the violence between two communities over a land dispute.

Curfew and shoot-at-sight orders remained in force in the city on Sunday.

READ ALSO: Riot rocks UP again, 3 dead in Saharanpur

District magistrate of Saharanpur, Sandhya Tiwari, indicated on Sunday that the situation in the area was returning towards normalcy and claimed that no new instances of violence have occurred since it all started yesterday.

Both BJP and Congress targetted the UP govt for the riot.

"The people in power in UP want communal tensions so that they indulge in vote bank politics," BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain said reacting to clashes in Saharanpur.

Shahnawaz Hussain further alleged that the Akhilesh Yadav government was weak on all fronts.

"Akhilesh Yadav's Government is weak on every front; he has failed to run a good government. He should maintain law and order in the state," Shahnawaz said.

The Congress also blamed the state government for the riot and demanded that the state be divided into smaller parts.

The people in power in UP want communal tensions so that they indulge in vote bank politics: Shahnawaz Hussainpic.twitter.com/k1rPoIuzSH
— ANI (@ANI_news) July 27, 2014​

"UP should be divided into parts, this is the right time for that," Congress leader Rashid Alvi said reacting to Saharanpur clashes.

The party blamed the Saharanpur administration for failing to control the clashes.

Rioting began on Saturday when a group of people gathered outside the gurdwara and started pelting stones.

"It was around 6 am that the rioters first began the assault and started looting shops in the market," said Balbir Singh Dheer, the gurdwara pradhan. "It seemed well-planned."

While one group claimed the disputed land belonged to the Wakf Board, the other insisted it had purchased it 15 years ago and has the papers to show for it.

Soon the violence that went on unabated for the next four hours took the shape of a massive riot that engulfed the entire city. One group of armed rioters even tried to overrun the Qutub Sair police station, forcing the cops there to resort to lathi charge and firing.

(With inputs from agencies)

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Saharanpur-riot-20-arrested-BJP-accuses-UP-govt-of-promoting-communal-tension/articleshow/39097493.cms

Some delusional fools think they can help others. This article should enlighten these fools about what is the real assessment of their capabilities and future on the ground by someone who has studied Pakistan closely.

South Asian political and military affairs expert Christine Fair's recent study on the Pakistan Army concludes that Pakistan would not be satisfied even if there was a solution to Kashmir, because for the Pakistan army, the war against India is a 'jihad' or war of civilizations. In India to promote her book, 'Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War', Fair tells Indrani Bagchi that she believes Pakistan's North Waziristan terrorist clean-up was just an eye-wash and why the US continues to cut Pakistan cheques

What is the central theme in your book?
I look at a puzzle in the book: Why does Pakistan persist with its revisionism as long as it has? Given that with every subsequent endeavour they become less successful. On top of that, the primary tools they developed to harass India is jihad. Because of a series of events following 911, a large swath of those jihadi groups it nurtured for use on India and Afghanistan have formed the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). So not only is this strategy failing, it's actually imperiling the viability of the state itself.

Why does Pakistan do this?
I've been assembling Pakistani defence publications. I'm not relying on interviews with these people (Pakistan army) because they lie. The people I have interviewed in the ISI never deviate from the script. These texts are really a conversation they have amongst themselves. I derived from this their strategic culture.

You speak about the idea of 'jihad' being central to Pakistan's way of war.
It's surprising just how much jihad and Islam is actually in their publications. If the US army or India were to do this, it would be so controversial. What Pakistan is trying to do is use jihad to mobilize and to boost the morale of their troops so they are on perpetual war footing with India.
It's kind of demoralizing if you think you can't actually win against India. So the use of jihad is a way to make it seem as if everything the Pakistan army does is Islamically justified. For example, they say India started every war. Therefore they describe their response to these wars as defence of jihad.

How do they refer to India?
They always pitch India as a "Hindu"nation. This is critical to them because they are settling up this civilization battle. Every army chief says the two-nation theory is their ideology and the army protects their ideology and geography.

Is there an interest in getting another special envoy for Kashmir in the US administration?

Every US president starts with a renewed interest in Kashmir. Obama did, with the appointment of the special representative, which was supposed to be Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. People like Barnett Rubin and Ahmed Rashid argue for a grand bargain that solves Kashmir. This is all rubbish, I argue.

Pakistan is actually an ideological state. The Kashmir issue is not causal, it's symptomatic. Pakistan is not a security seeking state in which we can satisfy their insecurities. Instead it's an ideological state. I lay out a structure for containing Pakistan, because there is nothing in our toolbox that will reshape it.

Which means even if there is a solution to Kashmir, Pakistan would not be satisfied?
Yes. It's costly for Pakistan to maintain this competition, but they view defeat very differently. They don't view it in terms of territory lost or value of territory or number of lives lost. They view defeat as that moment when they can no longer resist India. They are like an international insurgent.

That's why they keep taking calculated risks, knowing well they are never going to achieve the outcome. The goal is simply to exhibit to India that India cannot exert its will in the neighbourhood. If there were to be any kind of negotiation on Kashmir that gives up any inch of territory, it's not going to fix the situation.

What is your assessment of Pakistan's North Waziristan operation, Zarb-e-azb?
It is Zarb-e-bakwas. We have seen it before. To me it is an awful lot like what happened in 2009 in South Waziristan. They gave months of warning; any terrorist worth his salt has already left either with the internal refugees or - as was the desired effect - into Afghanistan.
What most people don't know is Senator Levin put in a proviso in FY 2015 that says if the Pakistanis don't do an operation in North Waziristan we're not going to give them $300 or $900 million. Now that they are done with this operation, the Pakistanis are making an argument in Washington DC that they should be given continued coalition support.

This is outrageous. They are creating and sustaining an insurgency , then they ask for compensation to protect the border. They're actually asking for money to protect them from their own Frankenstein's monster.

Will America give in?
I think they will. The irony is this: the Americans will help them kill as many terrorists as they will let them. But the Americans won't make them stop producing more terrorists. They (Pakistanis) have taken $30 billion from us, they still kill our troops and we still pay the cheques. Osama bin Laden was in Abbottabad and still the cheques are coming.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-longer-resist-India/articleshow/39083550.cms

 

[chandbibi]

You worry about your ache din fakir. As ive already pointed out on various ocassions, this isn't the first communal riot in India and it won't be the last. These riots are politically instigated as we are all well aware by now. Compared to the staged death and displacement in Pakistan, what we have in India is abysmal. Compared to the loss of life in Pakistan, India is an oasis of peace. As usual you do not reply when challenged with the truth. Your capability of helping anyone is thoroughly trashed. :biggthumpup:
And a new terminology has emerged "International Insurgent", HAHAHAHA.



SATYAMEVA JAYATE.:biggthumpup:

These theories apart the saharanpur riots have killed 3 more people again as the state government and bjp are both involved in power struggle...ache din agaye hain :biggthumpup:

Saharanpur riot: 20 arrested, BJP accuses UP govt of promoting communal tension

TNN | Jul 27, 2014, 11.14 AM IST

​

​

Saharanpur riot: BJP accuses UP govt of promoting communal tension

SAHARANPUR/NEW DELHI: BJP has accused the Akhilesh Yadav-led Samajwadi Party government in Uttar Pradesh of promoting communal tension to reap political benefits after three people were killed in clashes in Saharanpur.

20 people have been arrested in connection with the violence between two communities over a land dispute.

Curfew and shoot-at-sight orders remained in force in the city on Sunday.

READ ALSO: Riot rocks UP again, 3 dead in Saharanpur

District magistrate of Saharanpur, Sandhya Tiwari, indicated on Sunday that the situation in the area was returning towards normalcy and claimed that no new instances of violence have occurred since it all started yesterday.

Both BJP and Congress targetted the UP govt for the riot.

"The people in power in UP want communal tensions so that they indulge in vote bank politics," BJP leader Shahnawaz Hussain said reacting to clashes in Saharanpur.

Shahnawaz Hussain further alleged that the Akhilesh Yadav government was weak on all fronts.

"Akhilesh Yadav's Government is weak on every front; he has failed to run a good government. He should maintain law and order in the state," Shahnawaz said.

The Congress also blamed the state government for the riot and demanded that the state be divided into smaller parts.

The people in power in UP want communal tensions so that they indulge in vote bank politics: Shahnawaz Hussainpic.twitter.com/k1rPoIuzSH
— ANI (@ANI_news) July 27, 2014​

"UP should be divided into parts, this is the right time for that," Congress leader Rashid Alvi said reacting to Saharanpur clashes.

The party blamed the Saharanpur administration for failing to control the clashes.

Rioting began on Saturday when a group of people gathered outside the gurdwara and started pelting stones.

"It was around 6 am that the rioters first began the assault and started looting shops in the market," said Balbir Singh Dheer, the gurdwara pradhan. "It seemed well-planned."

While one group claimed the disputed land belonged to the Wakf Board, the other insisted it had purchased it 15 years ago and has the papers to show for it.

Soon the violence that went on unabated for the next four hours took the shape of a massive riot that engulfed the entire city. One group of armed rioters even tried to overrun the Qutub Sair police station, forcing the cops there to resort to lathi charge and firing.

(With inputs from agencies)

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Saharanpur-riot-20-arrested-BJP-accuses-UP-govt-of-promoting-communal-tension/articleshow/39097493.cms

 

[modern.fakir]

i understand such stories lead to loss of credibility in any argument you ever had but your lies are infact lies be it for communal riots or the sania mirza case ...:biggthumpup:...minorities and muslims in particular are at the knife edge in india and seems like Pakistan is the only hope for such down trodden people of the subcontinent.

We dont have this phenomena of large scale communal riots despite years of attempts by raw to instigate such riots on religious sect or communal basis in Pakistan(bigsmile)...The ISI has wacked them hard in this case!

Also the article you presented ONLY mentions western frustrations with their defeat at the hands of Pakistans manuevering and so they have a right to whine as much as they like [hilar][hilar]....all they are going to get from us are giggles ...

But for Pakistan it is imperative that we keep an eye on such communal riots as we dont want your trouble spilling over into our country in the form of a mass migration for humanitarian reasons ....their might be a case for Pakistani intervention on the pretext of HUman rights (bigsmile)...it is only in this regard that we are willing to help if requested !

You worry about your ache din fakir. As ive already pointed out on various ocassions, this isn't the first communal riot in India and it won't be the last. These riots are politically instigated as we are all well aware by now. Compared to the staged death and displacement in Pakistan, what we have in India is abysmal. Compared to the loss of life in Pakistan, India is an oasis of peace. As usual you do not reply when challenged with the truth. Your capability of helping anyone is thoroughly trashed. :biggthumpup:
And a new terminology has emerged "International Insurgent", HAHAHAHA.



SATYAMEVA JAYATE.:biggthumpup: