How Do You Pray Without Hadees?

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[Wake up Pak]

There is no Namaz in the Quran.
Muhammad_1996

 

[Wake up Pak]

 

[NasNY]

This moron has so much time on his hand, he spends all his time progressing qadiani/ Christian attacks on the foundation of Islam, Trying to mislead Muslims. Along with his two tinkering brain cells members. He is not fooling anyone.

Muslims are stead fast in their Salah, taking a 5 min break in their lives to Thank Allah in a way Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Showed in front of 80,000 Muslims witnesses, And was continued by The Rashiduin caliphs. Abu baker, Umar, Usman, Ali, And recorded by Abu Hanifa and other imams that came after.

There is knowledge for those who chose to seek it.
Unless Allah has shut their minds as mentioned in the Quran.

 

[Wake up Pak]

This moron has so much time on his hand, he spends all his time progressing qadiani/ Christian attacks on the foundation of Islam, Trying to mislead Muslims. Along with his two tinkering brain cells members. He is not fooling anyone.

Muslims are stead fast in their Salah, taking a 5 min break in their lives to Thank Allah in a way Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Showed in front of 80,000 Muslims witnesses, And was continued by The Rashiduin caliphs. Abu baker, Umar, Usman, Ali, And recorded by Abu Hanifa and other imams that came after.

There is knowledge for those who chose to seek it.
Unless Allah has shut their minds as mentioned in the Quran.

42:48
Muhammad Sarwar: (Muhammad), if they turn away from your message, know that We have not sent you as their keeper. Your duty is only to deliver the message. When We grant mercy to the human being, he becomes joyous, but when he is afflicted by evil as a result of his own deeds, he proves to be ungrateful.
16:82
Then, if they turn away, your duty (O Muhammad SAW) is only to convey (the Message) in a clear way.

 

[Wake up Pak]

This moron has so much time on his hand, he spends all his time progressing qadiani/ Christian attacks on the foundation of Islam, Trying to mislead Muslims. Along with his two tinkering brain cells members. He is not fooling anyone.

Muslims are stead fast in their Salah, taking a 5 min break in their lives to Thank Allah in a way Prophet Muhammad PBUH. Showed in front of 80,000 Muslims witnesses, And was continued by The Rashiduin caliphs. Abu baker, Umar, Usman, Ali, And recorded by Abu Hanifa and other imams that came after.

There is knowledge for those who chose to seek it.
Unless Allah has shut their minds as mentioned in the Quran.

The Quran says it is a fully detailed book so why are Muslims looking for information in other man-made books?
witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."

[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.

[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.

[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.

[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.

 

[Fact Checker]

The devil keeps attacking. Did not watch the video.

Clear commandments (muhkmat) re Salat in the Noble Quran, for instance:

Surah al-Nisa, verse 43 (Wudu)
Surah al-Nisa, verse 103 (Salat)
Surah al-Maidah, verses 5,6 (Wudu, Tayammum)
Surah al-Araf, verses 26,31 (Awrah)
Surah Hud, verse 114 (Salat)
Surah al-Isra, verse 78 (Salat)
Surah al-Nahl, verse 44 (how to)
Surah ar-Rum, verses 17,18 (Salat)
Surah Qaf, verse 39 (Salat)
and more ... and Allah swt knows the best.

Alhamdulillah, some members here are aware that "dereligionization" is one of the central tenets of NWO and BBB.

Attempts to Nauzubillah mock, ridicule or undermine the Noble Quran, reject the final prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), revive and promote paganism, and mislead and proselytize Pakistanis will In sha Allah fail.

Vauxhall/Langley/LAP operatives spotted. GOP handles, if any here, pls take note of the repeat provocateurs on siasat pk trying to pull the rug from under your feet. This should be your first priority, rather than engaging in harassment of PTI/political opponents.

 

[Rambler]

42:48
Muhammad Sarwar: (Muhammad), if they turn away from your message, know that We have not sent you as their keeper. Your duty is only to deliver the message. When We grant mercy to the human being, he becomes joyous, but when he is afflicted by evil as a result of his own deeds, he proves to be ungrateful.
16:82
Then, if they turn away, your duty (O Muhammad SAW) is only to convey (the Message) in a clear way.

What's wrong with you man. Do you not have anything useful to do in your life. You make different ID's; post with one and then answer with the other to initiate some sort of a discussion and this pattern has not changed from I don't know how many years. You have given your point of view and that is what Allah commands, now stop boring people and wasting your time with these useless acrobatics. Try to do something substantive with your life.

 

[sam manchester]

Few point that make me reject this yet another failed Quranist:
1. Degrading people to make his point, Quran doesn't teach that.
2. He doesn't have any solid proof when prayer was invented. If he has then why believing those proofs and reject Hardees as proof? Quran doesn't allow to say things without solid proofs!
3. What is the proof Hadees is not word of Allah. Did prophet (PBHU) invented it?
4. If you don't refer Hadees who would understand the context of Quran and understand full history, where you may need to refer to other books?
5. Prayer is must to keep you disciplined, clean, humble, asking for guideless from Allah(SWT) so what alternative he has got, nothing?
6. Another key question to him, does he himself prays 5 times a day? If yes then why, if not not then is that the point he is trying to portray!??
7. Well if someone pray, is it a sin, where not praying could be a sin, so why not to be on the safe side and pray, clearing his doubt of on day of Judgement 1st question will be about prayer, if not then fine, but what if if it is!?? Oh sorry you missed the boat, go to hell!!
8. If not step by step guidance not in Quran then what steps he is following for stocks trading that too is not in Quran??
9. He didn't even have courage to explain the meaning Salaat in Quran, that will surly raise more doubts for him.
10. Final point that's make such guys clear in black and while is not seeking gaudiness from Allah (SWT) at the end, making dua that May Allah guide us, and saying Allah(SWT) knows the best makes him nothing but an arrogant person! No I reject him!!

May Allah(SWT) show us and keep us on the right path-Aameen.

 

[Captain Safdar]

Atee u llah wa Atee u Rasool ...
What is "Atee u Rasool" ( PBUH)?? How do we do it?

 

[atensari]

There is no Namaz in the Quran.
Muhammad_1996

نماز قرآن مجید ہی میں نہیں عربی ادب اور لغت میں بھی موجود نہیں ہے

 

[Citizen X]

1. Degrading people to make him point, Quran doesn't teach that.

( I assume you are talking about Yassir from the video ) I will give you that and I have asked him this many times and also asked him to tone it down a bit and believe me this is his toned down version. And TBH I don't blame him the uninitiated unwarranted abuse he's gotten from "you lot" over the years has jaded him and I can vouch for this myself as I myself have been on the receiving end of this abuse many many times

2. He doesn't have any solid proof when prayer was invented.

Thats a non sequitur. Something exists and we have no real proof when it actually came into being but it doesn't change the reality that it does exist.

3. What is the proof Hadees is not word of Allah.

Quran 18:27 You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.

Quran 77:50 So in which hadith after it will they believe.

Quran 6:114 Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

Quran 45:6 These are God's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?

Quran 31:6 Among the people there are those who uphold basless hadith, and this diverts others (from the Way of Allah), and make a mockery of it. For such people there is a disgraceful punishment.

Did prophet (PBHU) invented it?

Excellent question. Answer is absolutely not. He neither sanctioned it, nor approved it, not condoned it. In fact one of the hadith itself mentions the prophet forbidding the collecting of hadiths. These hadith books started to pop up two centuries after the Prophet had died and many generations of the early Muslims had passed away and the authors of these books are all Persians. You know the same Persians who till this day have a huge axe to grind against the Arabs.

There were no hadith books during the time of the prophet, the kulafah rasidun, the sahaba, the tabieen, the tabah tabieen and some generations after that.

4. If you don't refer Hadees who would understand the context of Quran

As mentioned earlier the Quran itself says it a book fully detailed and there is no better explainer of the Quran than the Quran itself.

and understand full history

Is history part of Allah's deen? But I agree to one extent the some of the hadith corpus AT BEST is a vague account of early Islamic history to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt. But there is no deen in it nor any fiqh

5. Prayer is must to keep you disciplined

That is an inherently false statement. There are millions and millions of disciplined people around the world majority of them non muslims. I still remember the Tsunami in Japan, people lining up queues quietly slowly moving forward one by to receive food and aid, no one was shouting, fighting or trying to cut the line and they had just been victim to one of the biggest natural disaster of the 21th century. Verses the discipline of the namazi prahaizi nation of Pakistanis. Just go to any wedding and see the choas "jub roti khul jati hai" Father doesn't remember son, son doesnt remember father. It looks like this is the last meal these people are going to have before being executed. SO yeah so much for your prayer and discipline theory.

asking for guideless from Allah(SWT) so what alternative he has got, nothing?

What did Allah give us for guidance. The Quran, there can be no better guidance than the Quran so read that. What point is it going up and down just reading verses in a language you don't know or understand. So where is the guidance in that?

6. Another key question to him, does he himself prays 5 times a day? If yes then why, if not not then is that the point he is trying to portray!??

Since I know him, I can tell you he doesn't. And then point is trying to tell people to stop wasting time with mushrik practices and come back to the Quran instead. The only source of guidance we have.

7. Well if someone pray, is it a sin

The way the prayer is conducted is definitely a sin. The Quran clearly says not to invoke or mention anyone in my worship and not only mention the Prophet Muhammad and Ibrahim but their familes too.

When you go to your Mosques what do you see adorned on the walls. Name of Allah and right next to it Muhammad i.e making Muhammad a defacto/demi God ( nauzubillah ) and then you bow in front of his name 5 times a day while committing shirk with your daroods in your prayers

on day of Judgement 1st question will be about prayer, if not then fine, but what if if it is!?? Oh sorry you missed the boat, go to hell!!

So Allah in all his glory and wisdom forgot to tell us (nauzubillah) how many times, the names and most importantly how to perform this on most import part of worship in the Quran which he says is fully detailed. Allah had time to talk about ants bees fishes but somehow he forgot to tell mankind how to carry out this most important duty. Thank god for Imam bukhari, Muslim, Hanbal etc etc coming in a hundreds of years later to tell us what Allah had forgot to do.

8. If not step by step guidance not in Quran then what steps he is following for stocks trading that too is not in Quran??

Again another non sequitur i.e a very polite and diplomatic way of saying That is one dumb question.

9. He didn't even have courage to explain the meaning Salaat in Quran, that will surly raise more doubts for him.

Go to his channel he has many videos explaining that.

10. Final point that's make such guys clear in black and while is not seeking gaudiness from Allah (SWT) at the end, making dua that May Allah guide us, and saying Allah(SWT) knows the best makes him nothing but an arrogant person! No I reject him!!

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[Citizen X]

Did not watch the video

Why is your iman so fragile and weak that it will shatter with just one video?

Surah al-Nisa, verse 43 (Wudu)
Surah al-Nisa, verse 103 (Salat)
Surah al-Maidah, verses 5,6 (Wudu, Tayammum)
Surah al-Araf, verses 26,31 (Awrah)
Surah Hud, verse 114 (Salat)
Surah al-Isra, verse 78 (Salat)
Surah al-Nahl, verse 44 (how to)
Surah ar-Rum, verses 17,18 (Salat)
Surah Qaf, verse 39 (Salat)

Where are the verses that tell you what to recite in your prayer, how many rakahs, when should you recite your darood and when you should lift your finger when sitting, when to say Allahu akbar, wether to raise your hands or not how to tie your hands. so on and so forth.

 

[Citizen X]

Atee u llah wa Atee u Rasool ...
What is "Atee u Rasool" ( PBUH)?? How do we do it?

How do we follow the Prophet? He is no longer with us? Shall we all go to his grave as ask him?

Quran never says Atee un Nabi. NEVER you will not find this in the entire Quran. Only Atee ur rasool. Follow the messenger And what was the Rasool's job? To transmit the Quran and what was the rasool following The Quran. So when you follow the Quran we are following the Rasool.

 

[Citizen X]

نماز قرآن مجید ہی میں نہیں عربی ادب اور لغت میں بھی موجود نہیں ہے

Because Namaz is a farsi word

 

[Citizen X]

Attempts to Nauzubillah mock, ridicule or undermine the Noble Quran, reject the final prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), revive and promote paganism, and mislead and proselytize Pakistanis will In sha Allah fail.

SO asking people to follow the Quran is to mock, ridicule and undermine it? How? But abandoning the Quran and following books written by defeated persians centuries after the Prophet passed away is not mocking, ridiculing and undermining the Quran

Excellent logic you have there!

 

[Wake up Pak]

What's wrong with you man. Do you not have anything useful to do in your life. You make different ID's; post with one and then answer with the other to initiate some sort of a discussion and this pattern has not changed from I don't know how many years. You have given your point of view and that is what Allah commands, now stop boring people and wasting your time with these useless acrobatics. Try to do something substantive with your life.

Can I ask you the same question? What's wrong with you man? Do you have anything useful to do in your life?
I will keep giving my POV as long as I'm alive. This is the problem for people like you who do not ponder and reflect on Allah's verses and ask others not to question or to keep quiet.
This pathetic logic of so-called Muslims has shunned thier brains to think and reflect logically.
If you do not have anything to contribute, I suggest you should stay away from poking your nose in every thread.
Are you also allergic to the Quran?

 

[Wake up Pak]

نماز قرآن مجید ہی میں نہیں عربی ادب اور لغت میں بھی موجود نہیں ہے

Let me rephrase it, the word Salat in the Quran does not mean "Namaz"

 

[Wake up Pak]

The devil keeps attacking. Did not watch the video.

Clear commandments (muhkmat) re Salat in the Noble Quran, for instance:

Surah al-Nisa, verse 43 (Wudu)
Surah al-Nisa, verse 103 (Salat)
Surah al-Maidah, verses 5,6 (Wudu, Tayammum)
Surah al-Araf, verses 26,31 (Awrah)
Surah Hud, verse 114 (Salat)
Surah al-Isra, verse 78 (Salat)
Surah al-Nahl, verse 44 (how to)
Surah ar-Rum, verses 17,18 (Salat)
Surah Qaf, verse 39 (Salat)
and more ... and Allah swt knows the best.

Alhamdulillah, some members here are aware that "dereligionization" is one of the central tenets of NWO and BBB.

Attempts to Nauzubillah mock, ridicule or undermine the Noble Quran, reject the final prophethood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), revive and promote paganism, and mislead and proselytize Pakistanis will In sha Allah fail.

Vauxhall/Langley/LAP operatives spotted. GOP handles, if any here, pls take note of the repeat provocateurs on siasat pk trying to pull the rug from under your feet. This should be your first priority, rather than engaging in harassment of PTI/political opponents.

By quoting all those verses with the word Salat can you perform the Namaz by following these verses?
Even ahadith does not give a unified method of performing Namaz.
Blaming NWO for undermining religion is tantamount to your weak faith.

 

[Mughal1]

1) It is an indisputable fact that human beings cannot explain anything at all without logic and rationality. See if any of you can disagree with this fact with clear evidence. If you cannot then you have no choice but to accept this truth wholeheartedly.

2)The main question is not whether anyone can pray without hadith and fiqh etc or not but why should anyone praise God and pray to God? It is because there is no logical and rational consistency in doing that. It is because God chose to create each and everything which he has created including human kind. If he created all things did he not think and plan things before he started creating things? How could he plan to create anything at all without choosing and deciding its purpose for creating it. This whole thing is a project of God. No one can start a project without having the end result or outcome or end product in the starter's mind. This is why a project is a project because the starter of a project has some purpose in mind for starting a project before he or she starts a project.

If God has started his project then all decisions about the project rested with God to begin with. Purpose of revelation of God to mankind is therefore to let human beings know what the project is all about and what part human beings needs to play to make this project a success. For this reason God already has provided mankind with all they ever needed to play their part in this project therefore there is no reason for mankind to praise God for praying to God for getting anything from God.

God did not create mankind for testing them because God knew each and everything God needed to know about all things he has created including about human beings. Had God created mankind for testing them then that will be misuse of God's power by him and God being all good could not and cannot do that. So anyone who attributes and believe in this idea is utterly and totally wrong. If God did not create mankind for testing them then why did he create them? He created them because he wanted to express himself and he wanted to be appreciated by his special creature ie human being. This is why God created mankind and gave them freedom of choice so that they appreciate God if they so choose and they do not bother to do so if they so choose.

God expressed himself through his power of creation and revelation. This is why people must understand creation of God in light of his revelation and his revelation in light of his creation otherwise they cannot understand either of them or both of them in isolation from each other.

It is because God chose to create things and he chose to reveal his message for mankind so he does not punish and reward people for making their choices. However if people will think, plan and do harmful and destructive things to each other then that is why God will punish the criminals in here as well as in hereafter and likewise those who will think, plan and do what ensures well being of mankind then he will reward them in here as well as in hereafter.

The project of God which he has assigned for mankind is to turn it into a reality ie bring about a purpose based proper human community in kingdom of God. Such a human community will reflect goodness of God and that is how God will become appreciated by mankind and God will also appreciate mankind for their hard works for turning his plan into a real world reality. This is how God will be happy with mankind and mankind will be happy with God due to plan of God and work of mankind.

God cannot be fooled or flattered by empty words or lip-service praises by people to grant them their wishes ie what they ask for. God does not act haphazardly rather he only and only carries out his pre planned actions which are according to his project. This is why it is a terrible thing to do to attribute to God such like nonsense. Since God will not give anything to anyone which is not part of his project so people can carry on wasting their time by praising God and asking for favours. They will not get anything from God. It is like a person wants to built a house so he starts his project by thinking about things relevant to the project and not about things which are irrelevant to the project. He will collect together people and things he needs and not the ones he does not need.

kufar and shirk are unforgivable because that means people will live their own way instead of the way God tells them to live for fulfilling his assigned mission. So if people will live their own way instead of purpose based proper way of life that is advised for them by their creator then they will create disputes, conflicts, fights and wars between themselves forever so their such ideas, plans and actions will only and only harm and destroy them by hands of each other. This is why such ideas, plans and actions of people cannot be allowed to go unpunished by God.

So one can see why in this project of God for mankind there is no room for empty praises of God or lip-service to God and God does not give anyone anything which is not connected to his project. Moreover he has already given mankind all they needed before he put them to work for the project he assigned for them as a mission. It is like a person wants to build a house so he plans things for that project therefore he gathers people and materials he needs for it and does not take into account people and things he does not need for the project.

This shows why so called shaane nazool stories in hadith books cannot be true. It is because they show God did not plan his project instead he went about doing things haphazardly like a human baby who has no idea what he is doing and why. This also shows how stupid mullahs and their blind followers are who think about God this way.
God does not need and is not looking for flattery by mankind through praises by them as their lip-service to God. God does not grant people things they ask for just because he will be happy with them due to their praises. Thinking and believing so is wrong because it down grades God. Such act