How serious is the sin of Zina in Islam?
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Very thoughtful and correct answer.
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Backbiting
from "Mukhtasar Minhaj al-Qasideen" (being Ibn Qudamah's abridgement of Ibn al-Jawzi's summary of al-Ghazzali's "Ihya' `Ulum al-Deen")
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On the authority of Abu Hurayrah :
On the authority of Sahl ibn Sa`d :
He said, "Hold your tongue, let your house contain you, and weep over your sins." [Bukhari, Muslim]
Mu`adh ibn Jabal said, "Are we even going to be held accountable for what we say?!"
The Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said, "May your mother be bereaved of you! Is there anything which drags people into the Fire on their faces other than the harvest of their tongues?!" [Tirmidhi (hasan sahih)]
On the authority of Abu Bakrah, from the Farewell Pilgrimage:
It has been defined precisely by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) as, "Your mentioning your brother with something about him that he dislikes [being spoken about]."
Someone asked, "How about if my brother contains that [characteristic which I am mentioning]?"
He replied, "If he possesses that which you mention, then you have [indeed] backbited him. And, if he does not contain that which you say, then you have slandered him." [Muslim in al-Birr, 4/2001, #70; Ahmad in Al-Musnad, 2/230,384]
from "Mukhtasar Minhaj al-Qasideen" (being Ibn Qudamah's abridgement of Ibn al-Jawzi's summary of al-Ghazzali's "Ihya' `Ulum al-Deen")
NOTE: This text is copyrighted.
Permission is granted to include it on web sites, and to make hard copies for the SOLE PURPOSE of da`wah (propagation) or educational efforts. Due acknowledgement should be given. (c) Suheil Laher
"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, for some suspicions are a sin. Do not spy on one another, nor backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, you would abhor it, [so similarly, avoid backbiting]. And fear Allah. Indeed, Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful." Qur'an, [49:12]
"And do not follow that of which you do not have knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - [you] will be asked about all of those." Qur'an, [17:36]
"He does not utter a [single] word, except that there is, with him, [an angel] ready and waiting [to record it]." Qur'an, [50:18]
Imam Nawawi says "It is obligatory for every sane adult to guard his tongue against talking, except when it contains a clear benefit. If talking and remaining silent are of equal benefit, it is sunnah to abstain, for permissible talking might lead to something undesirable or forbidden, as in fact is very often the case, and nothing matches safety.""And do not follow that of which you do not have knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - [you] will be asked about all of those." Qur'an, [17:36]
"He does not utter a [single] word, except that there is, with him, [an angel] ready and waiting [to record it]." Qur'an, [50:18]
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah :
"Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should say [something] good, or he should keep silent." [Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah]
Nawawi says, "This hadith is quite explicit that it is imperative to not talk unless the speech is good, which is that wherein there is some benefit. If a person is in doubt as to whether there will be any benefit, then he should remain silent."
On the authority of Sahl ibn Sa`d :
"Whoever guarantees for me what is between his two jaws and what is between his two legs, I guarantee Heaven for him." [Bukhari, Muslim]
On the authority of `Uqbah ibn `Amir : I said, 'O Messenger of Allah! What is salvation?"
He said, "Hold your tongue, let your house contain you, and weep over your sins." [Bukhari, Muslim]
Mu`adh ibn Jabal said, "Are we even going to be held accountable for what we say?!"
The Messenger of Allah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said, "May your mother be bereaved of you! Is there anything which drags people into the Fire on their faces other than the harvest of their tongues?!" [Tirmidhi (hasan sahih)]
On the authority of Abu Bakrah, from the Farewell Pilgrimage:
"Indeed, your blood, property and honor are sacred to [one another], like the sanctity of this day of yours in this city of yours." [Bukhari, Muslim]
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah :
"All of a Muslim is prohibited to another Muslim : his blood, his honor and his property." [Muslim]
"O assembly of those who have believed with their tongues, but into whose hearts faith has not yet reached! Do not backbite the Muslims, nor seek out their secrets! For, whoever seeks out the faults of his brother, Allah will seek out his secrets. And, whoever has his secrets sought out by Allah, Allah will disgrace him, even [if he hides] in the depths of his house. [Abu Dawud in al-Adab, 4/271, #4880]
"Beware of backbiting, for backbiting is more serious than adultery. A man may commit adultery, and drink [wine], and then repent, and Allah will forgive him. But, the backbiter will not be forgiven by Allah until his [backbited] companion forgives him." [Suyuti, Al-Jami` as-Saghir, 1/174, #2919, from Ibn Abid-Dunya, and Abush-Shaykh, Al-Tawbikh.]
Meaning of ghibah"O assembly of those who have believed with their tongues, but into whose hearts faith has not yet reached! Do not backbite the Muslims, nor seek out their secrets! For, whoever seeks out the faults of his brother, Allah will seek out his secrets. And, whoever has his secrets sought out by Allah, Allah will disgrace him, even [if he hides] in the depths of his house. [Abu Dawud in al-Adab, 4/271, #4880]
"Beware of backbiting, for backbiting is more serious than adultery. A man may commit adultery, and drink [wine], and then repent, and Allah will forgive him. But, the backbiter will not be forgiven by Allah until his [backbited] companion forgives him." [Suyuti, Al-Jami` as-Saghir, 1/174, #2919, from Ibn Abid-Dunya, and Abush-Shaykh, Al-Tawbikh.]
It has been defined precisely by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) as, "Your mentioning your brother with something about him that he dislikes [being spoken about]."
Someone asked, "How about if my brother contains that [characteristic which I am mentioning]?"
He replied, "If he possesses that which you mention, then you have [indeed] backbited him. And, if he does not contain that which you say, then you have slandered him." [Muslim in al-Birr, 4/2001, #70; Ahmad in Al-Musnad, 2/230,384]
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There seems to be a hidden purpose to such questions. I thought this was an academic question but it turns out to be leading to a certain end. This is called misleading and rumormongering. If Quaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal chose to be quiete about the rumours lurking arounf Nehru atleast have the decency to remain quiet abot a muslim brother. When and if their is proof then we will all know.
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PM ! do u know about Aslam Sukhera ? Careful , dont tell anybody if know that he is Mush .........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What actually is the punishment of Zina, a logical explanation
No Hadith rejector has ever been able to refute me. According to the chronological order of the revelation of the Surahs, I will number the Ayahs. The table can be examined via the following link
Revelation Order of the Quran
Surah 25 was 42nd in terms of revelation and 25:68-69 is:
68 And those who do not invoke a god other than ALLAH and do not kill which is forbidden except by right and do not commit adultery and whoever does that will meet a penalty.
69 The punishment will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection and he will abide forever therein humiliated.
Surah 17 was 50th and 17:32 is:
And do not go near adultery indeed it is an immorality and an evil way
Surah 33 was 90th and 33:30-31 is:
30- O Wives of the Prophet whoever commits clear immorality amongst you her punishment will be doubled and that is easy for ALLAH
31 – And whoever is obedient amongst you to ALLAH and His Messnger and does righteous we will give her reward twice and We have prepared for her a noble provision.
Surah 60 was 91st to be revealed and Ayah 60:12 is:
O Prophet when believing women pledge to you that they will not associate anything with ALLAH and will not steal and will not commit adultery and will not kill their children nor will they bring forth a slander they have invented between their arms and legs and will not disobey you in what is right then accept their pledge and ask for their forgiveness from ALLAH, Indeed ALLAH is Oft-Forgiving and Most Merciful
Surah 4 was 92nd and the translation of Ayah 4:15 is:
15 - And those who commit immorality amongst your women then call for four witnesses and if they testify then confine them in your houses until their death or ALLAH makes for them a way.
16 - And the two who commit it amongst you, punish them both. But if they repent and correct themselves, turn away from them. Indeed, Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful
Translation of 4:25
And whoever amongst you is not able to afford to marry the free chaste believing women, then marry from what is possessed in your right hands of your believing slave girls. And Allah knows best about your faith from one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their bridal due in a fair manner. They should be chaste and not those who commit immorality nor those who take secret lovers. Then when they are married and they commit adultery, then for them is half of the punishment for free unmarried women. This is for whoever who fears commiting sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.
Surah 24 was 102nd in order of revelation
The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
The Hadith rejectors show up with different faces and one of them used this misleading article of deviant Ahmed Shafaat in the link below to misguide me http://www.islamicperspectives.com/stoning1.htm
but my answer was as follows and the opposing debator fled away from the scene..............
My answer to the Hadith rejector Ahmed Shafaat's article......................
Now lets start with Verse 25:68
Surah 25 was 42nd in terms of revelation and 25:68-69 is:
68 And those who do not invoke a god other than ALLAH and do not kill which is forbidden except by right and do not commit adultery and whoever does that will meet a penalty.
69 The punishment will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection and he will abide forever therein humiliated.
The first Ayah using the root word Z-N-Y and it mentions the three great sins which is Shirk, Killing unnecessarily and adultery. Then in the next Ayah it is stated that the punishment of them will be doubled for them and this punishment is meant for Hereafter and if someone wants to translate the word Yaznuna for both adultery and also fornication then certainly in this case he has no heart or visualises ALLAH SWT as a cruel and unjust person. Another point to note is that this is not the only place where both Shirk, killing and Adultery are mentioned together and suggested as big sins.It will also be found in Ayah 60:12 when we examine later.
How on earth can the adulterer and fornicator have the same amount of punishment when certainly there circumstances are different? A fornicator is someone who is unmarried and commits sex whereas an adulterer is a married person committing sex. The difference is huge between them as one has the means to commit legal sex whereas the other either has never married or is currently not married i.e. divorced, widowed. Certainly fornication is also a sin but comparing the circumstances of the two, adultery takes a clear edge from fornication.
Fornication is breaking the law of Huquq ALLAH whereas adultery is breaking the law of Huquq-ul-Ibad plus Huquq ALLAH. In Adultery the man/woman does a crime against humanity and against human rights by breaking the trust of his/her married partner. This is a blatant violation of human rights or in other words Huquq-ul-Ibad, I wonder why wouldn’t ALLAH SWT who considers Huquq-ul-Ibad (along with Huquq ALLAH) as very important would give equal punishment to that person who has just violated Huquq ALLAH?
In reality ALLAH SWT does consider this strongly and gives a lot of importance to Huquq-ul-Ibad and when the sin includes the violation of both Huquq ALLAH and Huquq-ul-Ibad then definitely the punishment is more than for the person who has just violated Huquq ALLAH i.e. fornication.
The question does arise here that the fornicator/ess has also broken the trust of his/her parents but certainly this is a lesser violation than the person who has specifically promised on the eve of marriage to be loyal and faithful to the other partner whereas no such promise has to be undertaken by an unmarried person and he is just bound to follow the Islamic injunctions and in this process has to avoid the sin of fornication. It is specifically due to this Nikah rule that adultery becomes a bigger sin than fornication. Now looking back to Ayah 25:68 it is impossible to believe that the punishment of both adultery and fornication will be doubled in the Hereafter as it would render ALLAH SWT as NauzoBILLAH an unjust God which he isn’t without any doubt. He is the symbol of Absolute Justice!!!
Islam has given so much of leniency to men to marry and keep four wives at any one time if he can afford whereas a woman can also marry and then divorce and then marry and then divorce different men if she is not happy or satisfied with them in a broader context.
Let's look at the following examples from the Bible:
Mark 10:11 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her."
Mark 10:12 "And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
Similarly in old Testament (Torah) in Deuteronomy...
17:17Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart not turn away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
The high priests could not marry non-virgins...
Leviticus 21:10-15 reads,
21:10He who is the high priest among his brothers, on whose head the anointing oil is poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not let the hair of his head go loose, nor tear his clothes; 21:11neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother; 21:12neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the anointing oil of his God is on him: I am Yahweh. 21:13He shall take a wife in her virginity. 21:14A widow, or one divorced, or a profane woman, a prostitute, these shall he not take: but a virgin of his own people shall he take as a wife. 21:15He shall not profane his seed among his people: for I am Yahweh who sanctifies him.
That Yahweh prohibits the high priest from taking as wife a woman who is not a virgin shows that it is indeed possible for one to take as wife such a woman. Widows, divorced women and profane women, that is prostitutes, can indeed be taken as wives.
The girl could not marry without the permission of her Father whereas this is allowed in Islam...
Numbers 30
30:3Also when a woman vows a vow to Yahweh, and binds herself by a bond, being in her father’s house, in her youth, 30:4and her father hears her vow, and her bond with which she has bound her soul, and her father holds his peace at her; then all her vows shall stand, and every bond with which she has bound her soul shall stand. 30:5But if her father disallow her in the day that he hears, none of her vows, or of her bonds with which she has bound her soul, shall stand: and Yahweh will forgive her, because her father disallowed her.
And a married woman didn’t had the rights to marry another man till the time her husband died...no concept of divorce rights for a woman in the old testament..
20:7What man is there who has pledged to be married a wife, and has not taken her? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her.
In other words, once betrothed, a woman belongs to her husband until he dies, irrespective of whether or not he has sexually lain with her.
A Woman Should Strive To Remain A Virgin Up To The Time Of Her Marriage otherwise she will get stoned for charges of fornication....
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 reads,
22:13If any man take a wife, and go in to her, and hate her, 22:14and lay shameful things to her charge, and bring up an evil name on her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came near to her, I didn’t find in her the tokens of virginity; 22:15then shall the father of the young lady, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the young lady’s virginity to the elders of the city in the gate; 22:16and the young lady’s father shall tell the elders, I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he hates her; 22:17and, behold, he has laid shameful things to her charge, saying, I didn’t find in your daughter the tokens of virginity; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. They shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. 22:18The elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him; 22:19and they shall fine him one hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young lady, because he has brought up an evil name on a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. 22:20But if this thing be true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young lady; 22:21then they shall bring out the young lady to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done folly in Israel, to play the prostitute in her father’s house: so shall you put away the evil from the midst of you.
Whether the above verses of the Bible and Torah are true or false, but considering both the possibilities, Islam has given the permission and facilitation for multiple marriages and divorces in extreme cases as mentioned above by me and has negated the verses of the Bible and Torah.
As we know that quite a few injunctions which we have been following are the same which were revealed in the previous scriptures and are still to be found there, whereas for things which were new or modified were also mentioned clearly. And this includes those instructions which were deliberately deleted/hidden by the deviant followers of the previous scriptures.
Something of interest for the curious readers..........there might be a slight difference in the translations that the readers follow but more or less the gist will be the same:
Verse 10:37-38
37
Sahih International: And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah , but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
38
Sahih International: Or do they say [about the Prophet], "He invented it?" Say, "Then bring forth a surah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful."
Verse 4:136
Sahih International: O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.
Verse 6:34
Sahih International: And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah. And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers.
Verse 10:64
Sahih International: For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah. That is what is the great attainment.
Lets observe Verses 5:12-15
Verse 5:12-13 promise to the Yahuds
12
Sahih International: And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way."
13
Sahih International: So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.
Verse 5:14 promise to Christians
Sahih International: And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
Verse 5:15 - finally addressing to the people of all the scriptures
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
Lets observe further in verses 5:44-48
Verse 5:44
Sahih International: Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the disbelievers.
Verse 5:45
Sahih International: And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Verse 5:46
Sahih International: And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
Verse 5:47
Sahih International: And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
Verse 5:48
Sahih International: And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
The following verses from the old and new testaments both mention the same thing that there is just One Lord.
Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no savior." [Isaiah 43:10-11]
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD" [Deuteronomy 6:4]
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." [Mark 12:29-30.
No doubt Quran is Furqan and this is why the punishment of fornication is reduced to 100 lashings (Surah Nur) whereas that of adultery remains the same as per the previous scriptures especially Torah. The change is due to the modification and of laws of marriage/nikah and divorce and relaxation with more facilitations (not present in Mosaic law as quoted by me above) which were laid down by ALLAH SWT in detail via Quran and Ahadith.
This was not the case before Islam as fornication and adultery were considered sins of equal intensity.
If we look into the Testament then we can find that fornication was also regarded an act inviting death punishment:
Colossians 3:5-6
Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient.
Now lets troll through the Testament and try to find out their laws regarding the punishment for adultery........
"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die." (Deuteronomy 22: 22)
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death" (Leviticus 20: 10).
According to the Torah There have to be two kosher witnesses- in other words two people that nobody could accuse of having publicly sinned, (furthermore according to Bible the first person to cast a stone should be a sin-free person) whereas in Islam there is a requirement of four such witnesses and this change is mentioned in Quran.
Furthermore according to Mosaic law....
The accuser of adultery and fornication recieves death punishment (same punishment reverses) if he is unable to produce two kosher witnesses where in Islam the accuser of fornication has to produce four trustable witnesses and if unable to, then the accuser/s should recieve 80 lashes as mentioned in Surah 24:4.
Also there are Ayahs which negate the false beliefs of the concocted verses of the previous scriptures......again approximate translations
Verse 2:79
Sahih International: So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Sahih International: Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, purchasing error [in exchange for it] and wishing you would lose the way?
And as the concept of trinity and son of god appears in the errored Bible, so comes a negation in the Quran...
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, 'Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5:116]
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur'an 4:171]
Similarly when the mention of the death punishment for fornication is misleadingly entered in the testament....
Colossians 3:5-6
Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient.
So a negation comes in the form of Surah Nur 2-3 whereas there is no negation for adultery as the testamenst have already mentioned that the punishment of adultery is stoning which is accepted by the Jews as their law till today.
Now lets come to the next Ayah using the root word Z-N-Y which was revealed next...
Surah 17 was 50th and 17:32 is...
"And do not go near adultery indeed it is an immorality and an evil way"
This gives a warning that people should not go near adultery, yet the punishment has to come if it was something new for adulterers and fornication i.e. 100 lashes as up till now we have found contradictory penalties to 100 lashings in the previous scriptures. This means that people who are committing illegal sexual intercourse till the revelation of this Ayah are just being ordered to not to go near it otherwise will only receive punishment in the Hereafter whereas there is no worldly penalty for such a deed. Strange isn’t it? Wonder why ALLAH SWT later decided to flog such a doer of the evil deed? As such a punishment can’t be found in the previous scriptures.
Whereas if we look at the Ahadith books, then Prophet PBUH was even ordering penalties for such crime for Jews which were in accordance to their scriptures till this time atleast or atleast till the time before Surah Nur was revealed as some Mutazalites and Kharajis say interpret one Hadith in which one person asks a Sahaba whether the rajm was practised by Prophet PBUH after the revelation of Surah Nur or before and the Sahaba replies that he is unaware of it.
Hmmm... so which point is correct? Did Prophet PBUH ever practise rajm or never?
Were the Muslim committers of illegal sexual intercourse roaming around freely till Surah Nur was revealed? Or were they atleast following what the original previous scritures had mentioned?
Surah 33 was 90th and 33:30-31 is:
30- O Wives of the Prophet whoever commits clear immorality amongst you her punishment will be doubled and that is easy for ALLAH
31 – And whoever is obedient amongst you to ALLAH and His Messnger and does righteous we will give her reward twice and We have prepared for her a noble provision.
The writer of the above article takes the expression “Bifahishatin Mubayyinah” as adultery and suggests in his point #3 that this Ayah 33.30 suggested that the punishment of the Wives of the Prophet PBUH will be doubled. Wait what punishment? I thought it is yet to be revealed in Surah Nur. How can ALLAH SWT mention the doubling of some punishment which as yet has to be revealed?
Anyways it is actually translated into what I have typed and the term means clear immorality rather than adultery and the doubling of the punishment is in the Hereafter.
So, we are still waiting for the worldly penalty while the sexists are roaming around free according to the person I am rebutting. I hope I’m wrong and he didn’t intend such a thing.
Surah 60 was 91st to be revealed and Ayah 60:12 is:
O Prophet when believing women pledge to you that they will not associate anything with ALLAH and will not steal and will not commit adultery and will not kill their children nor will they bring forth a slander they have invented between their arms and legs and will not disobey you in what is right then accept their pledge and ask for their forgiveness from ALLAH, Indeed ALLAH is Oft-Forgiving and Most Merciful
This Ayah has the root word Z-N-Y in the form of Yaznina and yet we are waiting for the worldly punishment if incase Prophet PBUH never practised rajm or never gave any other verdict for such an act.
The point to note is that similar to Ayah 25:68 which was the first of a series for the root word Z-N-Y, there is mention of Shirk, killing and adultery and the Ayah means that if the women pledge that they would refrain from such acts then their pledge would be accepted. Again the word Yaznina in this Ayah, like the word Yaznuna in 25.68 points out to be adultery and not fornication. And we have discussed in quite a detail as to why adultery is a bigger sin than fornication and thus the word Yaznina only implies to adultery in this Ayah.
Surah 4 was 92nd and the translation of Ayah 4:15-16 is:
15 - And those who commit immorality amongst your women then call for four witnesses and if they testify then confine them in your houses until their death or ALLAH makes for them a way.
16 - And the two who commit it amongst you, punish them both. But if they repent and correct themselves, turn away from them. Indeed, Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful
Here is the first time that any punishment of any sort of immorality is first mentioned according to the chronological order of the revelation of the Surahs.
Interestingly it doesn’t mention the root word Z-N-Y but infact Al-fahisha which translates into immorality whereas the author of the article being rebutted b
y me seems to be taking this Ayah as an indication of illegal sex in his point #5. So according to him if the women commits such an act then upto this stage the punishment is confining to the houses until their death or until some Divine intervention. Well looks like finally we got the penalty and it is to confine the women in the houses till death.
Strangely, it actually gives a wrong view and impression of ALLAH SWT as upto now the penalty that has come down is for women only and not for men. So, upto now I think the author is suggesting that the sexist women will be confined to the houses till death whereas the men will keep on roaming freely and coiting with women till each and every sexist women gets confined to their homes. Strange innit? ALLAH SWT is being presented as a male chauvinist NAUZOBILLAH by the author, hope I’m wrong. If I was a rational thinker in those days, the first thing that would come to my mind is that lat and uzza and mannat (the idol gods) are better than ALLAH SWT NAUZOBILLAH perhaps. So, a rational thinker perhaps hasn’t yet accepted Islam and uptil now most of the followers could be blind followers without any reasoning or rationality as no one seems to have asked in any Ahadith compilation “hey what’s going on?”
Translation of 4:25
And whoever amongst you is not able to afford to marry the free chaste believing women, then marry from what is possessed in your right hands of your believing slave girls. And Allah knows best about your faith from one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their bridal due in a fair manner. They should be chaste and not those who commit immorality nor those who take secret lovers. Then when they are married and they commit adultery, then for them is half of the punishment for free (unmarried) women. This is for whoever who fears committing sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.
And again the halving of the punishment is mentioned but not the actual punishment in this Ayah. We still don’t know what the punishment for a free woman both married and unmarried is? Anyways the reduction of punishment for illegal sex for slaves is mentioned in the old Testament interestingly. Lets examine what’s that all about...
Leviticus 19:20-22 reads,
19:20Whoever lies carnally with a woman, who is a bondmaid, pledged to be married to a husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; they shall be punished; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. 19:21He shall bring his trespass-offering to Yahweh, to the door of the tent of meeting, even a ram for a trespass-offering. 19:22The priest shall make atonement for him with the ram of the trespass-offering before Yahweh for his sin which he has sinned: and the sin which he has sinned shall be forgiven him.
It appears that adultery committed with a bondmaid/slave is not as severe as adultery committed with a free woman. For the lower status of a bondmaid lessens the severity of her adultery in comparison to that of a free woman.
Again the above verse from Leveticus can be true or wrong but the point to note is that there was certainly some mention of reduction of punishment i.e. no death punishment in the case of a slave married woman.
But hey the Muslims living on the day of the revelation of Ayah 4.25 still don’t know the punishment of illicit sex. So, a rational thinker perhaps hasn’t yet accepted Islam and uptil now most of the followers could be blind followers without any reasoning or rationality as no one seems to have asked in any Ahadith compilation “hey what’s going on?”
I hope I’m wrong in interpreting the author upto now.
Surah 24 was 102nd
Chapter (24) sūrat l-nūr (The Light) verse 3
Surah 24 was 102nd
and the Ayahs 2-3 is the reason where the understanding is most important as it has come as the last of the series of the above mentioned topic and thus has to be translated very carefully and accurately as if not then the translation becomes a mis-translation and thus ruins the whole concept of the penalty. The words Az-zaani and Az-zaniyatu means fornicator and fornicatoress. The last point which is #7 of this article is quite astonishing as he completely misguides people that because of the usage of the definite article Al before zaani and Zaniyatu gives a general meaning whereas completely ignores that in the very next Ayah the words Zaniyatan and Zanin are also used without the definite article – so does he means that this doesn’t gives a general meaning? Interestingly I strongly disgree with him and strongly condemn him for misleading people.
These Ayahs certainly clearly spell out the penalty for the fornicators which is 100 lashes. According to the author the verses 24.1 till 24.34 begin and end with clear signs in his point # 3 and I quote him “The passage 24:1-34, in fact, begins and ends with the statement that God has revealed in this Surah (24:1) or in the Qur`an (24:34) `ayat bayyanat, clear signs or statements”.
But it could have been better if he would have also clearly mentioned the translations of the all the Ayahs he has mentioned including these verses with clear signs or statements. Hope the author doesn’t means that it is only this set which has clear signs or statements and the rest of the Quran is not clear enough for people to understand.
Anyways we can examine what those verses are about......
24:1
This Surah We have sent it down and We have made it obligatory and therein clear verses so that you may take heed.
On examining it is evident that ALLAH SWT is indicating that the whole Surah is obligatory and clear for the attention of the people. He is not addressing the believers only but generally everyone as he does not use the term “O Believers”. Why is He doing that here? Is there something different and needs special attention? It is something which was never obligated before in the previous scriptures and one of the ordinances/laws is that of the penalty of fornication which is 100 lashes.
The evidences that we get from the previous scriptures is that fornicators received death as a punishment.
Colossians 3:5-6
Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient.
This was changed to 100 lashes and this change has been made clear to all the Readers. Similarly the false accusation of the chaste woman/man leads to 80 lashes whereas according to the Testament The accuser of adultery and fornication recieves death punishment (same punishment reverses) if he is unable to produce two kosher witnesses.
Lets simultaneously also examine 24.34....the word Mubayyinatin (clear/manifest) has been used in numerous places in this Surah and in the rest of the Quran and therefore the usage in verse 1 and 18 and 34 are not linked or related but have different outcomes.
"And verily We have sent down to you clear verses and examples from those who passed before you and an admonition for those who fear ALLAH".
Well here it is evident that some examples have been sent down if we accept the authors version whereas from 24.1-34 we can’t see any examples as such about the people who have passed before in the preceeding Ayah, so either this Ayah is mentioning of the examples mentioned in the rest of the Quran or something else.
Infact another Ayah 24.18 is...
"And ALLAH makes clear to you the verses and ALLAH is All- Knower All-Wise".
So what actually has been cleared. Ofcourse These Ayahs as well and what does ALLAH SWT mean here? It infact other than the rest of the things he also mentions that the code of conduct has been clarified which were hidden in the previous scriptures. The code of conduct of morality etc till Ayah 34 which was hidden in the previous scriptures is actually been revealed again or cleared/manifested
He has addressed something similar in quite a few different places of the Quran and one example is..
Verse 5:15 - finally addressing to the people of all the scriptures
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture,there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
What are the Ayahs that precede this Ayah? Lets observe Verses 5:12-15
Verse 5:12-13 promise to the Yahuds
12
Sahih International: And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way."
13
Sahih International: So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.
Verse 5:14 promise to Christians
Sahih International: And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
Verse 5:15 - finally addressing to the people of all the scriptures
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
In my view the neo-mutazalites and neo-kharjis actually want to repeat the game of hide and seek of the Ayahs as the people of the previous Scriptures did but they should not forget that ALLAH SWT has promised that no one will be able to change the Quran and this time interestingly the Ayahs and Sunnah including Ahadith also cannot be hidden till the Day of Judgement INSHALLAH.
No Hadith rejector has ever been able to refute me. According to the chronological order of the revelation of the Surahs, I will number the Ayahs. The table can be examined via the following link
Revelation Order of the Quran
Surah 25 was 42nd in terms of revelation and 25:68-69 is:
68 And those who do not invoke a god other than ALLAH and do not kill which is forbidden except by right and do not commit adultery and whoever does that will meet a penalty.
69 The punishment will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection and he will abide forever therein humiliated.
Surah 17 was 50th and 17:32 is:
And do not go near adultery indeed it is an immorality and an evil way
Surah 33 was 90th and 33:30-31 is:
30- O Wives of the Prophet whoever commits clear immorality amongst you her punishment will be doubled and that is easy for ALLAH
31 – And whoever is obedient amongst you to ALLAH and His Messnger and does righteous we will give her reward twice and We have prepared for her a noble provision.
Surah 60 was 91st to be revealed and Ayah 60:12 is:
O Prophet when believing women pledge to you that they will not associate anything with ALLAH and will not steal and will not commit adultery and will not kill their children nor will they bring forth a slander they have invented between their arms and legs and will not disobey you in what is right then accept their pledge and ask for their forgiveness from ALLAH, Indeed ALLAH is Oft-Forgiving and Most Merciful
Surah 4 was 92nd and the translation of Ayah 4:15 is:
15 - And those who commit immorality amongst your women then call for four witnesses and if they testify then confine them in your houses until their death or ALLAH makes for them a way.
16 - And the two who commit it amongst you, punish them both. But if they repent and correct themselves, turn away from them. Indeed, Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful
Translation of 4:25
And whoever amongst you is not able to afford to marry the free chaste believing women, then marry from what is possessed in your right hands of your believing slave girls. And Allah knows best about your faith from one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their bridal due in a fair manner. They should be chaste and not those who commit immorality nor those who take secret lovers. Then when they are married and they commit adultery, then for them is half of the punishment for free unmarried women. This is for whoever who fears commiting sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.
Surah 24 was 102nd in order of revelation
The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
The Hadith rejectors show up with different faces and one of them used this misleading article of deviant Ahmed Shafaat in the link below to misguide me http://www.islamicperspectives.com/stoning1.htm
but my answer was as follows and the opposing debator fled away from the scene..............
My answer to the Hadith rejector Ahmed Shafaat's article......................
Now lets start with Verse 25:68
Surah 25 was 42nd in terms of revelation and 25:68-69 is:
68 And those who do not invoke a god other than ALLAH and do not kill which is forbidden except by right and do not commit adultery and whoever does that will meet a penalty.
69 The punishment will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection and he will abide forever therein humiliated.
The first Ayah using the root word Z-N-Y and it mentions the three great sins which is Shirk, Killing unnecessarily and adultery. Then in the next Ayah it is stated that the punishment of them will be doubled for them and this punishment is meant for Hereafter and if someone wants to translate the word Yaznuna for both adultery and also fornication then certainly in this case he has no heart or visualises ALLAH SWT as a cruel and unjust person. Another point to note is that this is not the only place where both Shirk, killing and Adultery are mentioned together and suggested as big sins.It will also be found in Ayah 60:12 when we examine later.
How on earth can the adulterer and fornicator have the same amount of punishment when certainly there circumstances are different? A fornicator is someone who is unmarried and commits sex whereas an adulterer is a married person committing sex. The difference is huge between them as one has the means to commit legal sex whereas the other either has never married or is currently not married i.e. divorced, widowed. Certainly fornication is also a sin but comparing the circumstances of the two, adultery takes a clear edge from fornication.
Fornication is breaking the law of Huquq ALLAH whereas adultery is breaking the law of Huquq-ul-Ibad plus Huquq ALLAH. In Adultery the man/woman does a crime against humanity and against human rights by breaking the trust of his/her married partner. This is a blatant violation of human rights or in other words Huquq-ul-Ibad, I wonder why wouldn’t ALLAH SWT who considers Huquq-ul-Ibad (along with Huquq ALLAH) as very important would give equal punishment to that person who has just violated Huquq ALLAH?
In reality ALLAH SWT does consider this strongly and gives a lot of importance to Huquq-ul-Ibad and when the sin includes the violation of both Huquq ALLAH and Huquq-ul-Ibad then definitely the punishment is more than for the person who has just violated Huquq ALLAH i.e. fornication.
The question does arise here that the fornicator/ess has also broken the trust of his/her parents but certainly this is a lesser violation than the person who has specifically promised on the eve of marriage to be loyal and faithful to the other partner whereas no such promise has to be undertaken by an unmarried person and he is just bound to follow the Islamic injunctions and in this process has to avoid the sin of fornication. It is specifically due to this Nikah rule that adultery becomes a bigger sin than fornication. Now looking back to Ayah 25:68 it is impossible to believe that the punishment of both adultery and fornication will be doubled in the Hereafter as it would render ALLAH SWT as NauzoBILLAH an unjust God which he isn’t without any doubt. He is the symbol of Absolute Justice!!!
Islam has given so much of leniency to men to marry and keep four wives at any one time if he can afford whereas a woman can also marry and then divorce and then marry and then divorce different men if she is not happy or satisfied with them in a broader context.
Let's look at the following examples from the Bible:
Mark 10:11 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her."
Mark 10:12 "And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
Similarly in old Testament (Torah) in Deuteronomy...
17:17Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart not turn away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
The high priests could not marry non-virgins...
Leviticus 21:10-15 reads,
21:10He who is the high priest among his brothers, on whose head the anointing oil is poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not let the hair of his head go loose, nor tear his clothes; 21:11neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother; 21:12neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the anointing oil of his God is on him: I am Yahweh. 21:13He shall take a wife in her virginity. 21:14A widow, or one divorced, or a profane woman, a prostitute, these shall he not take: but a virgin of his own people shall he take as a wife. 21:15He shall not profane his seed among his people: for I am Yahweh who sanctifies him.
That Yahweh prohibits the high priest from taking as wife a woman who is not a virgin shows that it is indeed possible for one to take as wife such a woman. Widows, divorced women and profane women, that is prostitutes, can indeed be taken as wives.
The girl could not marry without the permission of her Father whereas this is allowed in Islam...
Numbers 30
30:3Also when a woman vows a vow to Yahweh, and binds herself by a bond, being in her father’s house, in her youth, 30:4and her father hears her vow, and her bond with which she has bound her soul, and her father holds his peace at her; then all her vows shall stand, and every bond with which she has bound her soul shall stand. 30:5But if her father disallow her in the day that he hears, none of her vows, or of her bonds with which she has bound her soul, shall stand: and Yahweh will forgive her, because her father disallowed her.
And a married woman didn’t had the rights to marry another man till the time her husband died...no concept of divorce rights for a woman in the old testament..
20:7What man is there who has pledged to be married a wife, and has not taken her? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her.
In other words, once betrothed, a woman belongs to her husband until he dies, irrespective of whether or not he has sexually lain with her.
A Woman Should Strive To Remain A Virgin Up To The Time Of Her Marriage otherwise she will get stoned for charges of fornication....
Deuteronomy 22:13-21 reads,
22:13If any man take a wife, and go in to her, and hate her, 22:14and lay shameful things to her charge, and bring up an evil name on her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came near to her, I didn’t find in her the tokens of virginity; 22:15then shall the father of the young lady, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the young lady’s virginity to the elders of the city in the gate; 22:16and the young lady’s father shall tell the elders, I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he hates her; 22:17and, behold, he has laid shameful things to her charge, saying, I didn’t find in your daughter the tokens of virginity; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. They shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. 22:18The elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him; 22:19and they shall fine him one hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young lady, because he has brought up an evil name on a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. 22:20But if this thing be true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young lady; 22:21then they shall bring out the young lady to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done folly in Israel, to play the prostitute in her father’s house: so shall you put away the evil from the midst of you.
Whether the above verses of the Bible and Torah are true or false, but considering both the possibilities, Islam has given the permission and facilitation for multiple marriages and divorces in extreme cases as mentioned above by me and has negated the verses of the Bible and Torah.
As we know that quite a few injunctions which we have been following are the same which were revealed in the previous scriptures and are still to be found there, whereas for things which were new or modified were also mentioned clearly. And this includes those instructions which were deliberately deleted/hidden by the deviant followers of the previous scriptures.
Something of interest for the curious readers..........there might be a slight difference in the translations that the readers follow but more or less the gist will be the same:
Verse 10:37-38
37
Sahih International: And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah , but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.
38
Sahih International: Or do they say [about the Prophet], "He invented it?" Say, "Then bring forth a surah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful."
Verse 4:136
Sahih International: O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.
Verse 6:34
Sahih International: And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah. And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers.
Verse 10:64
Sahih International: For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah. That is what is the great attainment.
Lets observe Verses 5:12-15
Verse 5:12-13 promise to the Yahuds
12
Sahih International: And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way."
13
Sahih International: So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.
Verse 5:14 promise to Christians
Sahih International: And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
Verse 5:15 - finally addressing to the people of all the scriptures
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
Lets observe further in verses 5:44-48
Verse 5:44
Sahih International: Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the disbelievers.
Verse 5:45
Sahih International: And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Verse 5:46
Sahih International: And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.
Verse 5:47
Sahih International: And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.
Verse 5:48
Sahih International: And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.
The following verses from the old and new testaments both mention the same thing that there is just One Lord.
Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no savior." [Isaiah 43:10-11]
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD" [Deuteronomy 6:4]
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." [Mark 12:29-30.
No doubt Quran is Furqan and this is why the punishment of fornication is reduced to 100 lashings (Surah Nur) whereas that of adultery remains the same as per the previous scriptures especially Torah. The change is due to the modification and of laws of marriage/nikah and divorce and relaxation with more facilitations (not present in Mosaic law as quoted by me above) which were laid down by ALLAH SWT in detail via Quran and Ahadith.
This was not the case before Islam as fornication and adultery were considered sins of equal intensity.
If we look into the Testament then we can find that fornication was also regarded an act inviting death punishment:
Colossians 3:5-6
Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient.
Now lets troll through the Testament and try to find out their laws regarding the punishment for adultery........
"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die." (Deuteronomy 22: 22)
"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death" (Leviticus 20: 10).
According to the Torah There have to be two kosher witnesses- in other words two people that nobody could accuse of having publicly sinned, (furthermore according to Bible the first person to cast a stone should be a sin-free person) whereas in Islam there is a requirement of four such witnesses and this change is mentioned in Quran.
Furthermore according to Mosaic law....
The accuser of adultery and fornication recieves death punishment (same punishment reverses) if he is unable to produce two kosher witnesses where in Islam the accuser of fornication has to produce four trustable witnesses and if unable to, then the accuser/s should recieve 80 lashes as mentioned in Surah 24:4.
Also there are Ayahs which negate the false beliefs of the concocted verses of the previous scriptures......again approximate translations
Verse 2:79
Sahih International: So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Sahih International: Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, purchasing error [in exchange for it] and wishing you would lose the way?
And as the concept of trinity and son of god appears in the errored Bible, so comes a negation in the Quran...
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, 'Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5:116]
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur'an 4:171]
Similarly when the mention of the death punishment for fornication is misleadingly entered in the testament....
Colossians 3:5-6
Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient.
So a negation comes in the form of Surah Nur 2-3 whereas there is no negation for adultery as the testamenst have already mentioned that the punishment of adultery is stoning which is accepted by the Jews as their law till today.
Now lets come to the next Ayah using the root word Z-N-Y which was revealed next...
Surah 17 was 50th and 17:32 is...
"And do not go near adultery indeed it is an immorality and an evil way"
This gives a warning that people should not go near adultery, yet the punishment has to come if it was something new for adulterers and fornication i.e. 100 lashes as up till now we have found contradictory penalties to 100 lashings in the previous scriptures. This means that people who are committing illegal sexual intercourse till the revelation of this Ayah are just being ordered to not to go near it otherwise will only receive punishment in the Hereafter whereas there is no worldly penalty for such a deed. Strange isn’t it? Wonder why ALLAH SWT later decided to flog such a doer of the evil deed? As such a punishment can’t be found in the previous scriptures.
Whereas if we look at the Ahadith books, then Prophet PBUH was even ordering penalties for such crime for Jews which were in accordance to their scriptures till this time atleast or atleast till the time before Surah Nur was revealed as some Mutazalites and Kharajis say interpret one Hadith in which one person asks a Sahaba whether the rajm was practised by Prophet PBUH after the revelation of Surah Nur or before and the Sahaba replies that he is unaware of it.
Hmmm... so which point is correct? Did Prophet PBUH ever practise rajm or never?
Were the Muslim committers of illegal sexual intercourse roaming around freely till Surah Nur was revealed? Or were they atleast following what the original previous scritures had mentioned?
Surah 33 was 90th and 33:30-31 is:
30- O Wives of the Prophet whoever commits clear immorality amongst you her punishment will be doubled and that is easy for ALLAH
31 – And whoever is obedient amongst you to ALLAH and His Messnger and does righteous we will give her reward twice and We have prepared for her a noble provision.
The writer of the above article takes the expression “Bifahishatin Mubayyinah” as adultery and suggests in his point #3 that this Ayah 33.30 suggested that the punishment of the Wives of the Prophet PBUH will be doubled. Wait what punishment? I thought it is yet to be revealed in Surah Nur. How can ALLAH SWT mention the doubling of some punishment which as yet has to be revealed?
Anyways it is actually translated into what I have typed and the term means clear immorality rather than adultery and the doubling of the punishment is in the Hereafter.
So, we are still waiting for the worldly penalty while the sexists are roaming around free according to the person I am rebutting. I hope I’m wrong and he didn’t intend such a thing.
Surah 60 was 91st to be revealed and Ayah 60:12 is:
O Prophet when believing women pledge to you that they will not associate anything with ALLAH and will not steal and will not commit adultery and will not kill their children nor will they bring forth a slander they have invented between their arms and legs and will not disobey you in what is right then accept their pledge and ask for their forgiveness from ALLAH, Indeed ALLAH is Oft-Forgiving and Most Merciful
This Ayah has the root word Z-N-Y in the form of Yaznina and yet we are waiting for the worldly punishment if incase Prophet PBUH never practised rajm or never gave any other verdict for such an act.
The point to note is that similar to Ayah 25:68 which was the first of a series for the root word Z-N-Y, there is mention of Shirk, killing and adultery and the Ayah means that if the women pledge that they would refrain from such acts then their pledge would be accepted. Again the word Yaznina in this Ayah, like the word Yaznuna in 25.68 points out to be adultery and not fornication. And we have discussed in quite a detail as to why adultery is a bigger sin than fornication and thus the word Yaznina only implies to adultery in this Ayah.
Surah 4 was 92nd and the translation of Ayah 4:15-16 is:
15 - And those who commit immorality amongst your women then call for four witnesses and if they testify then confine them in your houses until their death or ALLAH makes for them a way.
16 - And the two who commit it amongst you, punish them both. But if they repent and correct themselves, turn away from them. Indeed, Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful
Here is the first time that any punishment of any sort of immorality is first mentioned according to the chronological order of the revelation of the Surahs.
Interestingly it doesn’t mention the root word Z-N-Y but infact Al-fahisha which translates into immorality whereas the author of the article being rebutted b
y me seems to be taking this Ayah as an indication of illegal sex in his point #5. So according to him if the women commits such an act then upto this stage the punishment is confining to the houses until their death or until some Divine intervention. Well looks like finally we got the penalty and it is to confine the women in the houses till death.
Strangely, it actually gives a wrong view and impression of ALLAH SWT as upto now the penalty that has come down is for women only and not for men. So, upto now I think the author is suggesting that the sexist women will be confined to the houses till death whereas the men will keep on roaming freely and coiting with women till each and every sexist women gets confined to their homes. Strange innit? ALLAH SWT is being presented as a male chauvinist NAUZOBILLAH by the author, hope I’m wrong. If I was a rational thinker in those days, the first thing that would come to my mind is that lat and uzza and mannat (the idol gods) are better than ALLAH SWT NAUZOBILLAH perhaps. So, a rational thinker perhaps hasn’t yet accepted Islam and uptil now most of the followers could be blind followers without any reasoning or rationality as no one seems to have asked in any Ahadith compilation “hey what’s going on?”
Translation of 4:25
And whoever amongst you is not able to afford to marry the free chaste believing women, then marry from what is possessed in your right hands of your believing slave girls. And Allah knows best about your faith from one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their bridal due in a fair manner. They should be chaste and not those who commit immorality nor those who take secret lovers. Then when they are married and they commit adultery, then for them is half of the punishment for free (unmarried) women. This is for whoever who fears committing sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.
And again the halving of the punishment is mentioned but not the actual punishment in this Ayah. We still don’t know what the punishment for a free woman both married and unmarried is? Anyways the reduction of punishment for illegal sex for slaves is mentioned in the old Testament interestingly. Lets examine what’s that all about...
Leviticus 19:20-22 reads,
19:20Whoever lies carnally with a woman, who is a bondmaid, pledged to be married to a husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; they shall be punished; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. 19:21He shall bring his trespass-offering to Yahweh, to the door of the tent of meeting, even a ram for a trespass-offering. 19:22The priest shall make atonement for him with the ram of the trespass-offering before Yahweh for his sin which he has sinned: and the sin which he has sinned shall be forgiven him.
It appears that adultery committed with a bondmaid/slave is not as severe as adultery committed with a free woman. For the lower status of a bondmaid lessens the severity of her adultery in comparison to that of a free woman.
Again the above verse from Leveticus can be true or wrong but the point to note is that there was certainly some mention of reduction of punishment i.e. no death punishment in the case of a slave married woman.
But hey the Muslims living on the day of the revelation of Ayah 4.25 still don’t know the punishment of illicit sex. So, a rational thinker perhaps hasn’t yet accepted Islam and uptil now most of the followers could be blind followers without any reasoning or rationality as no one seems to have asked in any Ahadith compilation “hey what’s going on?”
I hope I’m wrong in interpreting the author upto now.
Surah 24 was 102nd
Chapter (24) sūrat l-nūr (The Light) verse 3
Surah 24 was 102nd
and the Ayahs 2-3 is the reason where the understanding is most important as it has come as the last of the series of the above mentioned topic and thus has to be translated very carefully and accurately as if not then the translation becomes a mis-translation and thus ruins the whole concept of the penalty. The words Az-zaani and Az-zaniyatu means fornicator and fornicatoress. The last point which is #7 of this article is quite astonishing as he completely misguides people that because of the usage of the definite article Al before zaani and Zaniyatu gives a general meaning whereas completely ignores that in the very next Ayah the words Zaniyatan and Zanin are also used without the definite article – so does he means that this doesn’t gives a general meaning? Interestingly I strongly disgree with him and strongly condemn him for misleading people.
These Ayahs certainly clearly spell out the penalty for the fornicators which is 100 lashes. According to the author the verses 24.1 till 24.34 begin and end with clear signs in his point # 3 and I quote him “The passage 24:1-34, in fact, begins and ends with the statement that God has revealed in this Surah (24:1) or in the Qur`an (24:34) `ayat bayyanat, clear signs or statements”.
But it could have been better if he would have also clearly mentioned the translations of the all the Ayahs he has mentioned including these verses with clear signs or statements. Hope the author doesn’t means that it is only this set which has clear signs or statements and the rest of the Quran is not clear enough for people to understand.
Anyways we can examine what those verses are about......
24:1
This Surah We have sent it down and We have made it obligatory and therein clear verses so that you may take heed.
On examining it is evident that ALLAH SWT is indicating that the whole Surah is obligatory and clear for the attention of the people. He is not addressing the believers only but generally everyone as he does not use the term “O Believers”. Why is He doing that here? Is there something different and needs special attention? It is something which was never obligated before in the previous scriptures and one of the ordinances/laws is that of the penalty of fornication which is 100 lashes.
The evidences that we get from the previous scriptures is that fornicators received death as a punishment.
Colossians 3:5-6
Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed (which is idolatry). On account of these the wrath of God is coming on those who are disobedient.
This was changed to 100 lashes and this change has been made clear to all the Readers. Similarly the false accusation of the chaste woman/man leads to 80 lashes whereas according to the Testament The accuser of adultery and fornication recieves death punishment (same punishment reverses) if he is unable to produce two kosher witnesses.
Lets simultaneously also examine 24.34....the word Mubayyinatin (clear/manifest) has been used in numerous places in this Surah and in the rest of the Quran and therefore the usage in verse 1 and 18 and 34 are not linked or related but have different outcomes.
"And verily We have sent down to you clear verses and examples from those who passed before you and an admonition for those who fear ALLAH".
Well here it is evident that some examples have been sent down if we accept the authors version whereas from 24.1-34 we can’t see any examples as such about the people who have passed before in the preceeding Ayah, so either this Ayah is mentioning of the examples mentioned in the rest of the Quran or something else.
Infact another Ayah 24.18 is...
"And ALLAH makes clear to you the verses and ALLAH is All- Knower All-Wise".
So what actually has been cleared. Ofcourse These Ayahs as well and what does ALLAH SWT mean here? It infact other than the rest of the things he also mentions that the code of conduct has been clarified which were hidden in the previous scriptures. The code of conduct of morality etc till Ayah 34 which was hidden in the previous scriptures is actually been revealed again or cleared/manifested
He has addressed something similar in quite a few different places of the Quran and one example is..
Verse 5:15 - finally addressing to the people of all the scriptures
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture,there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
What are the Ayahs that precede this Ayah? Lets observe Verses 5:12-15
Verse 5:12-13 promise to the Yahuds
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Sahih International: And Allah had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allah said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakah and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allah a goodly loan, I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way."
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Sahih International: So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.
Verse 5:14 promise to Christians
Sahih International: And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.
Verse 5:15 - finally addressing to the people of all the scriptures
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
In my view the neo-mutazalites and neo-kharjis actually want to repeat the game of hide and seek of the Ayahs as the people of the previous Scriptures did but they should not forget that ALLAH SWT has promised that no one will be able to change the Quran and this time interestingly the Ayahs and Sunnah including Ahadith also cannot be hidden till the Day of Judgement INSHALLAH.
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Re: What actually is the punishment of Zina, a logical explanation
According to sharia 100 lashes for fornication and stoning(death) for adultery but as sharia is not implemented in Pakistan and it cannot be because of the complexities of various sects and groups, therefore, Pakistan penal code is the agreed upon code of punishment for fornication, adultery and rape!
According to sharia 100 lashes for fornication and stoning(death) for adultery but as sharia is not implemented in Pakistan and it cannot be because of the complexities of various sects and groups, therefore, Pakistan penal code is the agreed upon code of punishment for fornication, adultery and rape!
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