ILM-O-HIKMAT - 13th October 2012 - Javed Ghamidi

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indigo

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values

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
qalandi,Only Allah knows about our hearts and our position ,either in Janat,or Hell.We Mulvi give comments like u that u have serious objection but you are talking about soul of zia ul haq.Mulvi use islam and you criticize Islam and both of you need self satisfaction.U don,t think that other people can hurt,which is a major sin.
 
paki-muslim

paki-muslim

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ghadmdi is proven fitna,

He rejects

1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam,
10. He supports Riba(sood).

ghamdi fitna khud aur us k cheelay ghamdi k gumrah kun akaid ko defend nahi kar sakey aaj tak .
 
indigo

indigo

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[>>He rejects

1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment), <]
This is a gross misrepresentation of his view. See here

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/index.php/meezan/view/the_penal_shariah_of_islam

[>>2. Hadith to be direct<<]
Another copy pasted plain lie. See here

http://www.khalidzaheer.com/qa/937

[>>3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)<<]

Listen to his complete argument from Quran and hadith and then counter it with proof. It is here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-jxZaI7qY

4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)

Listen to him here and counter his argument with evidence from Quran and sunnah:

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/index.php/burhan/view/hadood-o-taziratchand-aham-mabahis

[>>5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)<<]

The onus of proof is upon those who claim that Quran not only seven but tens of recitations thereby making Quran a book that doesn't remain qati ud dalalah. Read his detailed argument here:

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/index.php/meezan/view/the_final_authority#second

[>>6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible<<]

The one who has written the word 'all sorts' is dishonest. What does he try to communicate by this??. Naked dancing?. Music that stimulates immoral responses?. Listen to Ghamidi with an open mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQNMmexAkdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS0oYUCq23g

[>>7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed<<]

Jehad for Muslim means fighting against oppression. What else do you want?. Have the patience to listen to him here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN8pQgHofZM

[>>8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal<<]

His underandng of Quran is the same as that of Dr zakir. You want to get the proof then tell me. For now listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnmY4GDhktU

[>>9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam,<<]

Read ahnaaf and many other scholars including zakir naik and you will get to know what other people think about the obligatory status of face veil. for now see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y922JtiZsU&playnext=1&list=PL6E4EC1814E6AD2B9&feature=results_video

[>>Mr. Ghamidi has special interest in Asma Jahangir and Qadinyanis much of whose ideology is reflected in his articles. <<]

Quran says ask them to bring proof. I have given you mine, where is your Proof?

[>>Ghamidi's books are Bayan, Mizan and Burhan, the last one being a mockery of Islam, Prophets, Companions, Imams, Muhaditheen and Mufasereens. They are seldomly available in Pakistan but are available at Danish Sara which are regional centers for Ghamidi's Operations.<<]

Quran says ask them to bring proof. I have given you mine, where is your Proof?
 
paki-muslim

paki-muslim

Minister (2k+ posts)
indigo said:
[>>He rejects

1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment), <]
This is a gross misrepresentation of his view. See here

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/index.php/meezan/view/the_penal_shariah_of_islam

[>>2. Hadith to be direct<<]
Another copy pasted plain lie. See here

http://www.khalidzaheer.com/qa/937

[>>3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)<<]

Listen to his complete argument from Quran and hadith and then counter it with proof. It is here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-jxZaI7qY

4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)

Listen to him here and counter his argument with evidence from Quran and sunnah:

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/index.php/burhan/view/hadood-o-taziratchand-aham-mabahis

[>>5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)<<]

The onus of proof is upon those who claim that Quran not only seven but tens of recitations thereby making Quran a book that doesn't remain qati ud dalalah. Read his detailed argument here:

http://www.javedahmadghamidi.com/index.php/meezan/view/the_final_authority#second

[>>6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible<<]

The one who has written the word 'all sorts' is dishonest. What does he try to communicate by this??. Naked dancing?. Music that stimulates immoral responses?. Listen to Ghamidi with an open mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQNMmexAkdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS0oYUCq23g

[>>7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed<<]

Jehad for Muslim means fighting against oppression. What else do you want?. Have the patience to listen to him here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN8pQgHofZM

[>>8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal<<]

His underandng of Quran is the same as that of Dr zakir. You want to get the proof then tell me. For now listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnmY4GDhktU

[>>9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam,<<]

Read ahnaaf and many other scholars including zakir naik and you will get to know what other people think about the obligatory status of face veil. for now see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y922JtiZsU&playnext=1&list=PL6E4EC1814E6AD2B9&feature=results_video

[>>Mr. Ghamidi has special interest in Asma Jahangir and Qadinyanis much of whose ideology is reflected in his articles. <<]

Quran says ask them to bring proof. I have given you mine, where is your Proof?

[>>Ghamidi's books are Bayan, Mizan and Burhan, the last one being a mockery of Islam, Prophets, Companions, Imams, Muhaditheen and Mufasereens. They are seldomly available in Pakistan but are available at Danish Sara which are regional centers for Ghamidi's Operations.<<]

Quran says ask them to bring proof. I have given you mine, where is your Proof?
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Ghamdi fitna says ,Islam main sood dena halal hai,youtube pe video mojood hai.

Likin tum Munkareen hadees ho ,Sahi bukhari ko bhi nahi maantey tum is liye ab tum is hadees ko bhi jhutla do gay,jesay tum phelay bhi bhot dafa jhutla chukay ho:
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paki-muslim

paki-muslim

Minister (2k+ posts)
To @indigo , @_pakistan Munkareen Hadith

aap saha sata ki Ahadees bi nahi mantey ,Sahi bukhari ki hadees bhi nahi maantey ,is liye aap fitna ho.
In AHADEES main dekho HAzrat Esa (alahey salam) duniya main wapis tashreef lai gay:

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junaidkh

Voter (50+ posts)
Ghamdi sahi hai ne nahi is pe debate ho sakti hai pakistan main every one is controversial, we are nation of confused people with lot of firqas and wrong aqeeda,but i wanna share one thing that this ilm-o-hikmat program till now is only 900 views and on the other side a thread with super model crossed 1000's, Jis country ke itney burey halaat hoon, jahan karachi main daily average 7 to 10 log aur country main is bhi ziada logo ki jaan ja rahi ho, wahan pe so called educated logo ka ye interest dekh ke i strongly believe hamarey country main change nahi a sakti, hum dosro ko politicians ko bura kehtey hain kudh lagey we hain mazey kerne main............God please give all of us Hidayat.
 
paki-muslim

paki-muslim

Minister (2k+ posts)
@indigo Amriki ghulam tum Dronz attack k bhi haami ho tu tumara fitna ghamdi bhi haami ho ga, mujey tu phelay hi shak tha k wo American CIA agent hai is liye Dronz attack main massom loogo ki ghamdi aur tumain parwa nahi.
Abhi chand din America ki ghulami main aish karlo tum ,kiamat main tumain aur tumarey ghamdi fitna ko pata chaley ga.
 
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prolife

Senator (1k+ posts)
@PakiMuslim

If Dajal, Mehdi, breaking of Cross killing of of a pig raising Issa AS live in his worldy boy to haven are very imprtant to you and Islam then why Allah didn't mention them in Quran at all.
 
paki-muslim

paki-muslim

Minister (2k+ posts)
prolife said:
@PakiMuslim

If Dajal, Mehdi, breaking of Cross killing of of a pig raising Issa AS live in his worldy boy to haven are very imprtant to you and Islam then why Allah didn't mention them in Quran at all.
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Aap k intehai bewakoofo waley sawal ka jawab ye hai k Quran main poori Namaz ka tareeka kion nahi likha hoa?namaz ka poora tareeka tu aap ko Hadees se hi milta hai .Hazrat Mohammad pbuh ney apni zindagi main jo kaam bhi kiye aur jo kuch bhi farmaya wo sab Allah ki marzi se hi kiya aur Sahaba (Razi Allahtalah anhu) ney us ki pairvi ki.
 
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A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
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For this episode,I would apologize to say that with due respect I pretty much disagree with Ghamidi sahab.Roohoun se related unki knowledge bilkul Maududi aur Israr Ahmed se milti julti hai.
Nabi Pakpbuh ki khwaab mein ziyarat se mutaliq unhoon ne kuch nahi kaha.Plus,both Ghamidi and Pervaiz sahab has had very little information about Tasawwuf and Sufism. Ab in donu cheezoun ka Rooh ke concept se gehra taluq hai.

Ghamidi and Pervaiz ne kabhi in Aulia,Tasawwuf waghera ke issue per zyada ghaur ya reserach ki he nahi balkey inse humesha dur dur rahe.Pervaiz sahab ne tau balkey kaafi strict position li hai.

Geo ke ek programme Alif per bhi is issue per ek waqea discuss hua tha.Hua yeh tha key Allama Iqbal se Hazrat Moinuddin Chishti (Ajmer Sharif wale) aur Hazrat Ali Hajveri (Data Darbar wale) ki roohoun ki mulaqat hui thi aur aisa kuch loogoun ne hote dekha bhi tha.

Baqi Roohoun aur Janwaroun ka jo concept hai tau bhaee kabhi kabhar hum sunte hain key meri rooh mujhe kosti hai....yani key aadmi ka zameer hota hai jisse rooh ke saath mix up kardiya jata hai.Aur neki aur budi ki tameez sirf insanoun ko ata hui hai.Baqi dosre creatures mein bhi emotions tau hote hain.So yeh kehna key roohein sirf insanoun mein hain,yeh theek na hoga.Maine khud Pakistan mein ek waqea padha tha key ek billi kissi ghar mein rehrahi thi aur usne wahaan bache bhi diye thay.Woh bechari bahir gayi aur maari gayee.Aise mein uski laash dekhne ke baad ghar ki ek member ke khwaab mein woh billi aayi aur usne apne bachoun ki dekh bhaal ki request ki....mamta tau Allah Ta'la ne kin kin mein de rakkhi hai.So it could mean that Janwar bhi roohwale hote hain aur maine ek Qasas'ul'Anbiya mein padha tha key Allah ne insanoun ki tarah hewanat ki rooh bhi peida kardi thi.
 
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