Imran Khan - Justice?

khalid100

Minister (2k+ posts)
sher_khan said:
What the hell are you writing. I don't undersand a word of it. Please clean up your post and I will respond to you.
A request: please either write the whole thing in urdu or english. Get rid of this roman urdu crap. It gives me a headache. Thanks.
hahaha....

I second this suggestion brother. It is awful pain to read such a thing..
 

shaniruh

New Member
What i think Mr. Qasim Omer is just being paid to oppose Imran Khan , did any one ever seen anchor Mirza Iqbal Baig getting a chance of interviewing Mr.Khan in life ...... answerer is ...No , this is all personal game and a set plan to promote a negative image of our great hero "Imran Khan" , people like Qasim Omer & Sarfaraz Nawaz are losers of their time they love to live in past....They should learn to give respect to our national hero rather accusing him on TV Channels by just using imran khan name and trying to catch people attention.
 

tairq225

New Member
Imran Khan

Imran Khan Niazi (born 25 November 1952 is a retired Pakistani cricketer who played international cricket for two decades in the late twentieth century and has been a politician since the mid 1990s Currently, besides his political activism, Khan is also a charity worker and cricket commentator

Imran Khan
 

benzilic

Citizen
@ Sher khan

Dear it looks like that you have taken the responsibility to answer each post which shows that you are quite involved in useless discussions. You are looking against imran.Well Imran is one of the finest human being nowadays (except professional peers etc). His life itself is a great demonstration of a wellmanaged personality. There is no corruption charge against him. It is his loyality that he has not a single penny outside the country. He was a disciplined cricketer and has excellent management capabilities (as shown in shaukat khanum hospital) and now he is establishing first university of Pakistan in which online lectures and degrees of foreign universities will be awarded. Coming to Qasim umar'allegations, do u know if his allegations are right?? may be he has been used as a support to make propaganda against imran. If he is right then i must say that this has been very normal in Pakistan. Havent you abused anyone in your life?? May be qasim did something extremely wrong and then he is facing this...God knows better who is right. If imran has done wrong then best thing is ask for excuse from Qasim. BUt you should keep both sides of picture in mind. Do you think that imran will have no solution to power problem then u r in fool's paradise, he has made a FREE cancer hospital One n only in WORLD. Peopple like u only think that its impossible but he has made it possible.. Talking about swat operation- who told u thats its successful............wait for after-effects in coming ten years dear.....dnt be so fast in drawing conclusions. Everybody should give imran a chance at least one time to prove himself...rather be a nikhatoo jiyala of Zardari or a civilised terrorist of MQM. Try to be loyal to rules not personalities n rules of imran khan untill now have been the best than all as he has proven it in past. We should give him one chance at least.

best of luck
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
@benzilic

Thanks for your opinion. I respect it. I do respect Imran Khan. He is probably very sincere and honest, in current times. But I must say he had a dodgy past. He might get my vote if he displays the potential of managing Pakistan effectively. His contributions to Pakistan are exemplary. He was able to build a cancer hospital because of his remarkable motivation.
However, there is a difference in building hospitals, leading cricket teams and running a country. His two accomplishments, hospitals and world cup, were achieved via people who respected him and did follow his instructions without a second thought. However, running a country is no game of cricket or running a hospital. There will be oppositions and he will have to listen to other people. If a great cricketing career and social welfare activities were the only qualities needed for the Pakistans PM then people would have been begging Wasim Akram and Abdul Sattar Edhi to become politicians.
There might not be any filed corruption charges against Imran but Qasim and Sita White have raised issues about his moral grounds, which of course is not a big issue in Pakistani politics. To the best of my recollection, he used to be very cozy with Musharaf once and respected Zia-ul-Haq as much as to cancel his retirement upon his request. I saw the whole incident. It was televised. I guess times change. Imran is just another politician. His preferences change with time.
As far as what happened to Qasim is concerned, I can vouch for the fact that he was kicked out of the Pakistani team and MCB after his statements pertaining to corruption in cricket. Cricket was his livelihood. Qasims statements turned out to be accurate later on when Wasim Akram, Mustaq Ahemd and one more cricketer were caught on Caribbean beach with drugs while touring west indies. The match fixing is common fact now. Do your research, google the above mentioned facts. Yes, it is possible that Qasim was hired to give Imran a hard time. This does not take away the fact that Imran did wrong with Qasim. I have already mentioned that at the minimum Imran should apologize to Qasim. But he wont. Do you know why? Because then he will be responsible for Qasims forgone income.
Also, Imran Khans followers are OK with Imran doing wrong with some individual by saying that its common in Pakistan. However, they want Imran to take revenge on past mistakes of the politicians. Isnt dictatorship also common in Pakistan?
How do you know that Imran does not have a penny outside the country? Do you have his bank book? He was married to a British citizen. After a divorce all the property gets divided in half.
Actually, I dont think that free hospitals are impossible. I live in Canada. Hospitals are free for everyone regardless of the nature of the disease. I contribute via paying taxes and donations. May be you should advise Imran to concentrate on making sure that the rich people in Pakistan are paying taxes. I never hear anything on that topic by Imran. Taxes can solve a lot of Pakistani problems.
Well, Imran was pretty fast on drawing conclusions that Swats operation will be unsuccessful and people will start cursing against the army right away. You didnt advise him to wait for ten years for the result.
I agree that Imran should be given a chance. I still think that he is probably the most sincere and honest leader in Pakistan and most likely the better option. However, my opinion does not matter. He will have not been able to convince the people of Pakistan. I cant give him my vote just because he was a good cricketer and found a charitable hospital.
He has to come up with good policies and convince people about it. I have never heard him talking about the solution for the power crisis or tax imbalance in Pakistan. If he has then he should publicize it more.
Lastly, the questions you have raised about me. No, I have never abused anyone to an extent that an individual loses his job and leaves Pakistan to make a living. I answered each post because in this thread because I started it. If you think that this discussion was useless then you should have not got involved. Your sarcasm is not effective hear. Speaking of which let me know once you have built a temple to worship Imran. I would love to pay a visit just to have a look. I dont think that I can ever worship him but I can definitely give him my vote if he shoes me convincing policies.
 
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abbasiali

Guest
sher_khan said:
Thanks for your opinion.
Dear Sher Khan,

You have a very valid watchful eye on Imran Khan,

In my opinion, building hospital, running university is as good as challenging, as Managing a Country Administration, He has no experience, plus no expertize in this field, the only thing which Differentiate him from others is, his commitment and strong stance for country and nation.

I would really like to see him in this position, as we have nothing to loose, but in this GAMBLE if we earn something, WHY NOT.

Regards.
 

benzilic

Citizen
sher_khan said:
@benzilic

Thanks for your opinion. I respect it. I do respect Imran Khan. He is probably very sincere and honest, in current times. But I must say he had a dodgy past. He might get my vote if he displays the potential of managing Pakistan effectively. His contributions to Pakistan are exemplary. He was able to build a cancer hospital because of his remarkable motivation.
However, there is a difference in building hospitals, leading cricket teams and running a country. His two accomplishments, hospitals and world cup, were achieved via people who respected him and did follow his instructions without a second thought. However, running a country is no game of cricket or running a hospital. There will be oppositions and he will have to listen to other people. If a great cricketing career and social welfare activities were the only qualities needed for the Pakistans PM then people would have been begging Wasim Akram and Abdul Sattar Edhi to become politicians.
There might not be any filed corruption charges against Imran but Qasim and Sita White have raised issues about his moral grounds, which of course is not a big issue in Pakistani politics. To the best of my recollection, he used to be very cozy with Musharaf once and respected Zia-ul-Haq as much as to cancel his retirement upon his request. I saw the whole incident. It was televised. I guess times change. Imran is just another politician. His preferences change with time.
As far as what happened to Qasim is concerned, I can vouch for the fact that he was kicked out of the Pakistani team and MCB after his statements pertaining to corruption in cricket. Cricket was his livelihood. Qasims statements turned out to be accurate later on when Wasim Akram, Mustaq Ahemd and one more cricketer were caught on Caribbean beach with drugs while touring west indies. The match fixing is common fact now. Do your research, google the above mentioned facts. Yes, it is possible that Qasim was hired to give Imran a hard time. This does not take away the fact that Imran did wrong with Qasim. I have already mentioned that at the minimum Imran should apologize to Qasim. But he wont. Do you know why? Because then he will be responsible for Qasims forgone income.
Also, Imran Khans followers are OK with Imran doing wrong with some individual by saying that its common in Pakistan. However, they want Imran to take revenge on past mistakes of the politicians. Isnt dictatorship also common in Pakistan?
How do you know that Imran does not have a penny outside the country? Do you have his bank book? He was married to a British citizen. After a divorce all the property gets divided in half.
Actually, I dont think that free hospitals are impossible. I live in Canada. Hospitals are free for everyone regardless of the nature of the disease. I contribute via paying taxes and donations. May be you should advise Imran to concentrate on making sure that the rich people in Pakistan are paying taxes. I never hear anything on that topic by Imran. Taxes can solve a lot of Pakistani problems.
Well, Imran was pretty fast on drawing conclusions that Swats operation will be unsuccessful and people will start cursing against the army right away. You didnt advise him to wait for ten years for the result.
I agree that Imran should be given a chance. I still think that he is probably the most sincere and honest leader in Pakistan and most likely the better option. However, my opinion does not matter. He will have not been able to convince the people of Pakistan. I cant give him my vote just because he was a good cricketer and found a charitable hospital.
He has to come up with good policies and convince people about it. I have never heard him talking about the solution for the power crisis or tax imbalance in Pakistan. If he has then he should publicize it more.
Lastly, the questions you have raised about me. No, I have never abused anyone to an extent that an individual loses his job and leaves Pakistan to make a living. I answered each post because in this thread because I started it. If you think that this discussion was useless then you should have not got involved. Your sarcasm is not effective hear. Speaking of which let me know once you have built a temple to worship Imran. I would love to pay a visit just to have a look. I dont think that I can ever worship him but I can definitely give him my vote if he shoes me convincing policies.





Well dear, managing a hospital of international level isnt an easy task when there are millions of rupees involved in it and still the mechanism of hopsital is transparent. I dont want imran to be next PM coz he was good cricketer or he did some charity work. But i have observed the management skills in him. His party is only party which is more or less democratic, he was most disciplined in his carrer n in hospital they have board of governers ..so there s no Dictatorship. May be qasim was expelled perhaps coz of other corrupt people involved in drugs etc. Why do u blame imran, y not chairman PCB of that time? BUt still i dont defend imran for a wrong deed.If he has done something wrong then he should excuse ...no doubt about it. But to create such a fuss about him only he abused.....may be he only abused n other other people in MCB taking imran as hero didnt like the act of qasim n expelled him. Well this thing can have lot of detail so talking about it only after seeing just qasim's statement is not really logical especially when u dont have any statement from imran.
You talked about change in thinking of imran. Let me tell you one saying '' Those who dont welcome positive change, their minds are like stagnant water'' If you (for example...no personal) have something bad in yourself..will you continue doing wrong or change urself positively. We must accept the truths if we find some or amend ourselves if we have done mistake in past. Except Prophets no one is faultfree. so if imran has done some mistake in past, we shd have big hearts to forgive especially when his mistakes are not at the expense of nation. His mistakes were related to one or 2 persons only. Nation didnt suffer coz of him but other politicians have caused a irrepairable loss to this nation.
well revenge from other politicians, i wud not support it but accountibility...yes i will. u r sitting n enjoying in canada n taking a chill....wow. People in pakistan have suffered. many people have left it coz of politicians who damaged pakistan a lot. the system today s our politicians n beaurocrats gift for us. Y we shd not have the accountibility????????? millions of dollars have been looted n they were of a common man.
If u r living in canada then u shd know that each party gives policies when elections are near. Its not like that u give 5 yrs policies n after 5 yrs country may need some others policies. So he doesnt need i think to talk abt his policy.
You are asking me to advise imran...isnt is childish or bit personal. Why shd i advise y not u???????i like his policies n also him as long as he will be honest. If he is no more honest, i will not support him. I or we as nation need some policies not personalities whether its imran khan or some one else.
Therefore your conclusion as usual was fast that i have temple for imran.....not at all. may be u have temple of urself where u worship urself or may b u think others down ( it seems may be it s not true). if u say that imran s honest n sincere...then this nation needs honesty n sincerity n his management we have seen before. Did u check nawaz sharif of benazir' management before elections...I think NOT....so we can only judge him by giving a chance........not by building a model country n asking him to rule n show us the management.......
About his accounts....do u know that he has accounts abroad.........i think not. Secondly it doesnt happen in all cases that after divorce u have to divide half of the property. It depends of type of agreement between spouses before marriage. He has announced many times that he had appartment in london n he sold it n he has nothing abroad. But other politicians do have as it is wellknown. So he is again better than others n needs a chance.....

thanks for giving time for writing ur opinion
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
@ benzilic

Well dear, managing a hospital of international level isnt an easy task when there are millions of rupees involved in it and still the mechanism of hopsital is transparent. I dont want imran to be next PM coz he was good cricketer or he did some charity work. But i have observed the management skills in him. His party is only party which is more or less democratic, he was most disciplined in his carrer n in hospital they have board of governers ..so there s no Dictatorship.



Actually, I have led the audits of lots of multinational companies and a few not-for-profit organizations. Although it is not an easy task to manage an international entity, it is not comparable with running a country. I have not seen the financial statements of his hospital, therefore, I cant comment whether it is being run efficiently or not. The fact that he monies get poured in form of the donations from the donors (including myself) does not mean that the hospital is being run efficiently (PIA would be a prime example). The money gets poured in mainly because he is popular and honest (now). Not necessarily a good administrator. Also, when running a government you have to listen to the opposition and get criticized. Imran has alienated the masses of Karachi by radically going after the MQM. In order to do a greater good sometimes one has to do a lesser bad. Imran should have waited for a better time to go after the MQM, when he was more popular in Karachi. How come we didnt hear anything from him when Christians were burnt alive in Pakistan? Because PML-N was involved not MQM? Would Imran have been silent if MQM had killed Christians in Karachi? You talk about Tereek- e-Insaaf being democratic. I dont know any other popular leaders besides Imran Khan, which are affiliated with Tehreek-e-Insaaf. No one is being given exposure. Why is that?



May be qasim was expelled perhaps coz of other corrupt people involved in drugs etc. Why do u blame imran, y not chairman PCB of that time? BUt still i dont defend imran for a wrong deed.If he has done something wrong then he should excuse ...no doubt about it. But to create such a fuss about him only he abused.....may be he only abused n other other people in MCB taking imran as hero didnt like the act of qasim n expelled him. Well this thing can have lot of detail so talking about it only after seeing just qasim's statement is not really logical especially when u dont have any statement from imran.


No I wasnt the chairman of PCB when Qasim was expelled. However, I was in Pakistan and had the ability to read news papers and watch TV when the whole thing happened. Also, I have played cricket with the MCB people and some x-captains of the Pakistans national team. I had discussions with people and never believed what I heard until Pakistani cricketers got caught with drugs and the match-fixing scandals became public knowledge.
Imran didnt only abuse Qasim but also deprived him off his livelihood. You have already said that abuses are common in Pakistan then why are you so surprised?


You talked about change in thinking of imran. Let me tell you one saying '' Those who dont welcome positive change, their minds are like stagnant water'' If you (for example...no personal) have something bad in yourself..will you continue doing wrong or change urself positively. We must accept the truths if we find some or amend ourselves if we have done mistake in past. Except Prophets no one is faultfree. so if imran has done some mistake in past, we shd have big hearts to forgive especially when his mistakes are not at the expense of nation. His mistakes were related to one or 2 persons only. Nation didnt suffer coz of him but other politicians have caused a irrepairable loss to this nation.
well revenge from other politicians, i wud not support it but accountibility...yes i will. u r sitting n enjoying in canada n taking a chill....wow. People in pakistan have suffered. many people have left it coz of politicians who damaged pakistan a lot. the system today s our politicians n beaurocrats gift for us. Y we shd not have the accountibility????????? millions of dollars have been looted n they were of a common man.



I find your statement contradictory. Wasnt Imran a part of the Parliament when Musharaf (a dictator) was the President? Didnt he help him with the referendum? Didnt he help Musharaf in depriving millions of Pakistanis from democracy while he was a part of a rubberstamp parliament? Werent big funds embezzled during that time as well? Dont you want the accountability from the whole rubberstamp parliament of that time? Why should accountability be for all the political figures of Pakistan, except for Imran?
I dont like to bring up the religion and prophets in political discussions. However, since you have brought it up, show me where it says in Islam that if you wrong one or two individuals you should be less accountable than the people who wrong more than one or two people. Also show me where it says in Islam that the person wronged should always forgive people. The forgiveness is the prerogative of the person who gets wronged. Forgiveness should not be taken for granted. Imran should have not remained silent on this issue. His silence makes skeptical people think that he has something to hide. Furthermore, why shouldnt we all become good muslims and forgive Musharaf, Altaf, Zardari and Nawaz ofr all their past deeds. Arent we all against the NRO?



If u r living in canada then u shd know that each party gives policies when elections are near. Its not like that u give 5 yrs policies n after 5 yrs country may need some others policies. So he doesnt need i think to talk abt his policy.




Yes I live in Canada. I notice here that whenever the opposition criticizes the government, it also comes up with an alternative plan of action. An alternative plan of actions, a notion alien to Tehreek-e-Inssafs followers. They talk about the justice all the time but never bring up the imbalanced tax system in Pakistan. Imran likes to advise people that only rich people should come to politics. As if the burden of Pakistans prosperity is only on the shoulders of the elites of Pakistan. And the soul of the middle class people is highly combustble with immorality. I bet you believe in that. Dont try to deny it. I saw Imran saying these words from his own mouth.
Also, I am a very selfish man. I live in Canada and enjoy all the benefits this country has to offer. Most of my time spent, serves me rather than Pakistan. Although not enough of a service to my motherland, when ever Pakistans enemies start to gang up against it, I try to forward the English translations of the investigative reports of Pakistani shows in written form to the news papers in Canada. I have also tried to correspond with Amnesty International for the ill treatment of Pakistanis by the other states. Just because, I dont reside in Pakistan does not mean that I did not go through the emotional sufferings when Sri Lankan team gets attacked in Lahore. My services for my country are minute, worthless and can never be enough. I accept that I will always be indebted to Pakistan.
This reminds me of why I had to leave Pakistan. Oh yes!!!! Because I belonged to a middle class family and the rich corrupt politicians did not provide enough resources to the youth of Pakistan.



You are asking me to advise imran...isnt is childish or bit personal. Why shd i advise y not u???????i like his policies n also him as long as he will be honest. If he is no more honest, i will not support him. I or we as nation need some policies not personalities whether its imran khan or some one else.
Therefore your conclusion as usual was fast that i have temple for imran.....not at all. may be u have temple of urself where u worship urself or may b u think others down ( it seems may be it s not true). if u say that imran s honest n sincere...then this nation needs honesty n sincerity n his management we have seen before. Did u check nawaz sharif of benazir' management before elections...I think NOT....so we can only judge him by giving a chance........not by building a model country n asking him to rule n show us the management.......
About his accounts....do u know that he has accounts abroad.........i think not. Secondly it doesnt happen in all cases that after divorce u have to divide half of the property. It depends of type of agreement between spouses before marriage. He has announced many times that he had appartment in london n he sold it n he has nothing abroad. But other politicians do have as it is wellknown. So he is again better than others n needs a chance.....

Its ironic that you take into account politicians policies rather than their personalities. The reason being you have been religiously defending Imrans character rather than his ability to govern.

I dont think that honesty is the only attribute that is needed to govern a country. A leader has to be smart. Imran, in my opinion, is not a smart politician. I disagree with his poor timing of going after MQM and believing in people like FazalurRehman and other politicians and not running the elections. I also dont agree with his tone and prediction regarding the Swat operation, which turned out to be false.
I have seen Nawazs and Benazirs management. Nawaz is a very good manager. Cant say the same for Benazir.
I take back my comment that Imran may have property outside Pakistan. You could be right or wrong. God knows. Ill take Imrans word for it. However, I do remember that Imran used to give priority to county crocket over the domestic cricket in Pakistan. The reason he used to give was that its too hot in Pakistan and he does not like the domestic structure of Pakistani cricket. Can you imagine how much Pakistani youngsters could have learned from him? So when it was time for him to make money he gave preference to a foreign country, but he expects all the rich politicians to invest their money in Pakistan. Lets face it, Imran is not that rich. Have you invested any money in any investment projects in Pakistan?

My temple sarcasm was a payback, for you implying that I spend a lot of time on useless discussions. If you cant take sarcasm of other people then maybe you should refrain from using it on others. I meant no harm.

In any event, I respect your opinion. Its nice to know your thoughts. Dont get me wrong, I have not written off Imran. He just has to show me his political acumen to get my vote. Otherwise the votes get divided among too many parties in Pakistan, which result in coalition governments, and ministries are handed out like hot cakes, which results in more corruption.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
abbasiali said:
sher_khan said:
Thanks for your opinion.
Dear Sher Khan,

You have a very valid watchful eye on Imran Khan,

In my opinion, building hospital, running university is as good as challenging, as Managing a Country Administration, He has no experience, plus no expertize in this field, the only thing which Differentiate him from others is, his commitment and strong stance for country and nation.

I would really like to see him in this position, as we have nothing to loose, but in this GAMBLE if we earn something, WHY NOT.

Regards.


The reason being that there are already too many small parties in Pakitan. He has already alienated Karachi. The votes get divided. Result - coalition governments. Everyone has to be made happy. Ministries get divided. More corruption. No effective oppostion in the parliament.
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
He's the best man for the job, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE, answer is NO. We need honest and good leadership and Imran Khan has the track record to prove it. GIVE HIM A CHANCE
 
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abbasiali

Guest
sher_khan said:
@ benzilic

Well dear, managing a hospital of international level isnt an easy task when there are millions of rupees involved in it and still the mechanism of hopsital is transparent. I dont want imran to be next PM coz he was good cricketer or he did some charity work. But i have observed the management skills in him. His party is only party which is more or less democratic, he was most disciplined in his carrer n in hospital they have board of governers ..so there s no Dictatorship.

ministries are handed out like hot cakes, which results in more corruption.
A real thorough debate, valid questions and very logical acceptable answers,

This is our national behavior, when we trust someone, we just simply close our eyes towards their bads, and this is the weakness of ours, We need to know and understand, Emotions are not the only way. We have to look ground realities, and I honestly feel, Imran Khan though I feel, he is comparatively
better candidates with others, but he needs to improve a lot, He should come up with his own party Constitution, which allows him the complete whole sole power, So yes I am very much agree with Sher Khan. But need to be a little flexible towards the only possible person, who may become reason of change in PAKISTAN.

Dear Sher Khan, I believe, who ever is serving overseas, their majority belongs to Pakistani Middle class, who became the victim of system, held by the ruthless, selfish elite class, but what ever every single Pakistani overseas could contribute to the Pakistan, they are providing within their limit.

Though it was very lengthy argument, but it was worth reading it.

Regards.
 

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