ISI is the solution

az.ay

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
It is if you believe the reasoning that Admiral Mike Mullen offered as he barged into Pakistan with a daring move, attacking our premier spy service on our home turf. This signifies two problems. One is that our high tolerance level emboldens our antagonists. Adm Mullen feels he can raise the stakes and do something he never did before because he knows there wont be any public consequence strong enough to deter him. Someone in Islamabad or Rawalpindi should have told him, If you feel this is the way to negotiate differences, by embarrassing us in front of our own people, then thats the wrong way of doing it, followed by a cancellation of his official engagements here until he retracts.

The second problem with his statement that the ISI maintains links to Afghan Taliban factions is that he is putting the ISI at the centre of the Pakistan-US dispute. Thats factually incorrect. But instead of correcting Mr Mullen, the responses from the Pakistani side are defensive in nature the Haqqani network are our adversaries too or were too busy right now to take action against them or its just a matter of time before we take action.

The fact is: It is not the ISI but the deliberate American damage to vital Pakistani interests over a decade that is at the core of the current Pak-US dispute. The drone issue or the Raymond Davis affair is just an offshoot. Mr Mullens diagnosis is self-serving. The question is: why is he getting away with it without being challenged?

To be fair, the Pakistani Army chief did decry the negative propaganda that the United States is waging against Pakistan. Its the first time any Pakistani official used these two words together to describe the behaviour of our friends in Washington. But its not enough because our duplicitous ally is still scoring points in the battle for perceptions.

It is time we wiggled out of the commitments made by two presidents, Mr Musharraf and Mr Zardari, to Americas Afghan war. President Zardari is likely to support this policy change. The United States failed to live up to the post-2002 commitments to its Pakistani ally. The Americans almost turned Afghanistan into an Indian outpost, created conditions for insurgencies in Balochistan and FATA, and caused us up to $80 billion in direct and indirect losses and millions of displaced, killed and injured Pakistanis. The Pakistani military should commission a policy review that concludes with a recommendation to the government to formally exit Americas war. The notion that the United States would retaliate militarily to a sovereign Pakistani policy decision is exaggerated. Washington is in no position to do that.

Pakistans issues with domestic religious extremism can and will be resolved domestically. Any future Pakistani assistance to the US war effort in Afghanistan can be negotiated under new terms. The Americans are trying to create an impression that their interference in Pakistan is important to help Pakistan defeat extremism. For example, Adm Mullen came here last week emphasising, the long-term US commitment to supporting Pakistan in its fight against violent extremists. It is amazing how Washington has been redefining the mission and moving the goal posts over the past decade with no questions asked from our side of course.

The strength and ability of terror groups such as TTP and BLA to resupply will end when CIA ends its grand strategic project in Afghanistan.

We should tell Washington that we will maintain ties to legitimate Afghan parties, including the Afghan government and Afghan Taliban. American demands to cut off ties to any one of them are misplaced. If an Afghan group that Pakistan maintains links with is killing US soldiers in Afghanistan, this is not necessarily Pakistans design or responsibility. It is the result of flawed US policies in Afghanistan over the last decade, and a result of ignoring Pakistani advice.

It is also time to loudly question CIA assessments about the number of al-Qaeda remnants in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. We know the figure is insignificant to pose any threat to anyone. The US military and CIA inflate these assessments to justify prolonging the Afghan war and, more importantly, to justify meddling in Pakistan. The US is also pandering to its Indian ally by telling another lie, that the pro-Kashmir Lashkar-e-Taiba group, which is opposed to Indian military presence in Kashmir, has somehow metamorphosed into a global threat. This is political propaganda.

Ahmed Quraishi.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=43521&Cat=9&dt=4/25/2011
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is if you believe the reasoning that Admiral Mike Mullen offered as he barged into Pakistan with a daring move, attacking our premier spy service on our home turf. This signifies two problems. One is that our high tolerance level emboldens our antagonists. Adm Mullen feels he can raise the stakes and do something he never did before because he knows there won’t be any public consequence strong enough to deter him. Someone in Islamabad or Rawalpindi should have told him, ‘If you feel this is the way to negotiate differences, by embarrassing us in front of our own people, then that’s the wrong way of doing it’, followed by a cancellation of his official engagements here until he retracts.

The second problem with his statement – that the ISI maintains links to Afghan Taliban factions – is that he is putting the ISI at the centre of the Pakistan-US dispute. That’s factually incorrect. But instead of correcting Mr Mullen, the responses from the Pakistani side are defensive in nature – ‘the Haqqani network are our adversaries too’ or ‘we’re too busy right now to take action against them’ or ‘it’s just a matter of time before we take action’.

The fact is: It is not the ISI but the deliberate American damage to vital Pakistani interests over a decade that is at the core of the current Pak-US dispute. The drone issue or the Raymond Davis affair is just an offshoot. Mr Mullen’s diagnosis is self-serving. The question is: why is he getting away with it without being challenged?

To be fair, the Pakistani Army chief did decry the ‘negative propaganda’ that the United States is waging against Pakistan. It’s the first time any Pakistani official used these two words together to describe the behaviour of our friends in Washington. But it’s not enough because our duplicitous ally is still scoring points in the battle for perceptions.

It is time we wiggled out of the commitments made by two presidents, Mr Musharraf and Mr Zardari, to America’s Afghan war. President Zardari is likely to support this policy change. The United States failed to live up to the post-2002 commitments to its Pakistani ally. The Americans almost turned Afghanistan into an Indian outpost, created conditions for insurgencies in Balochistan and FATA, and caused us up to $80 billion in direct and indirect losses and millions of displaced, killed and injured Pakistanis. The Pakistani military should commission a policy review that concludes with a recommendation to the government to formally exit America’s war. The notion that the United States would retaliate militarily to a sovereign Pakistani policy decision is exaggerated. Washington is in no position to do that.

Pakistan’s issues with domestic religious extremism can and will be resolved domestically. Any future Pakistani assistance to the US war effort in Afghanistan can be negotiated under new terms. The Americans are trying to create an impression that their interference in Pakistan is important to help Pakistan defeat extremism. For example, Adm Mullen came here last week emphasising, ‘the long-term US commitment to supporting Pakistan in its fight against violent extremists’. It is amazing how Washington has been redefining the mission and moving the goal posts over the past decade with no questions asked from our side of course.

The strength and ability of terror groups such as TTP and BLA to resupply will end when CIA ends its grand strategic project in Afghanistan.

We should tell Washington that we will maintain ties to legitimate Afghan parties, including the Afghan government and Afghan Taliban. American demands to cut off ties to any one of them are misplaced. If an Afghan group that Pakistan maintains links with is killing US soldiers in Afghanistan, this is not necessarily Pakistan’s design or responsibility. It is the result of flawed US policies in Afghanistan over the last decade, and a result of ignoring Pakistani advice.

It is also time to loudly question CIA ‘assessments’ about the number of al-Qaeda remnants in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. We know the figure is insignificant to pose any threat to anyone. The US military and CIA inflate these assessments to justify prolonging the Afghan war and, more importantly, to justify meddling in Pakistan. The US is also pandering to its Indian ally by telling another lie, that the pro-Kashmir Lashkar-e-Taiba group, which is opposed to Indian military presence in Kashmir, has somehow metamorphosed into a ‘global threat.’ This is political propaganda.

Ahmed Quraishi.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=43521&Cat=9&dt=4/25/2011

Brother az.ay: aI did not read it because i dont believe nothing in it as i know they are tactics of defaming ISI and Army as it is nothing new they have been doing this for decades. I am waiting for my other Pakistani members replies and then i will answer them accordingly. JazakAllah Khair...
 

noman3000

Senator (1k+ posts)
It is if you believe the reasoning that Admiral Mike Mullen offered as he barged into Pakistan with a daring move, attacking our premier spy service on our home turf. This signifies two problems. One is that our high tolerance level emboldens our antagonists. Adm Mullen feels he can raise the stakes and do something he never did before because he knows there won’t be any public consequence strong enough to deter him. Someone in Islamabad or Rawalpindi should have told him, ‘If you feel this is the way to negotiate differences, by embarrassing us in front of our own people, then that’s the wrong way of doing it’, followed by a cancellation of his official engagements here until he retracts.

The second problem with his statement – that the ISI maintains links to Afghan Taliban factions – is that he is putting the ISI at the centre of the Pakistan-US dispute. That’s factually incorrect. But instead of correcting Mr Mullen, the responses from the Pakistani side are defensive in nature – ‘the Haqqani network are our adversaries too’ or ‘we’re too busy right now to take action against them’ or ‘it’s just a matter of time before we take action’.

The fact is: It is not the ISI but the deliberate American damage to vital Pakistani interests over a decade that is at the core of the current Pak-US dispute. The drone issue or the Raymond Davis affair is just an offshoot. Mr Mullen’s diagnosis is self-serving. The question is: why is he getting away with it without being challenged?

To be fair, the Pakistani Army chief did decry the ‘negative propaganda’ that the United States is waging against Pakistan. It’s the first time any Pakistani official used these two words together to describe the behaviour of our friends in Washington. But it’s not enough because our duplicitous ally is still scoring points in the battle for perceptions.

It is time we wiggled out of the commitments made by two presidents, Mr Musharraf and Mr Zardari, to America’s Afghan war. President Zardari is likely to support this policy change. The United States failed to live up to the post-2002 commitments to its Pakistani ally. The Americans almost turned Afghanistan into an Indian outpost, created conditions for insurgencies in Balochistan and FATA, and caused us up to $80 billion in direct and indirect losses and millions of displaced, killed and injured Pakistanis. The Pakistani military should commission a policy review that concludes with a recommendation to the government to formally exit America’s war. The notion that the United States would retaliate militarily to a sovereign Pakistani policy decision is exaggerated. Washington is in no position to do that.

Pakistan’s issues with domestic religious extremism can and will be resolved domestically. Any future Pakistani assistance to the US war effort in Afghanistan can be negotiated under new terms. The Americans are trying to create an impression that their interference in Pakistan is important to help Pakistan defeat extremism. For example, Adm Mullen came here last week emphasising, ‘the long-term US commitment to supporting Pakistan in its fight against violent extremists’. It is amazing how Washington has been redefining the mission and moving the goal posts over the past decade with no questions asked from our side of course.

The strength and ability of terror groups such as TTP and BLA to resupply will end when CIA ends its grand strategic project in Afghanistan.

We should tell Washington that we will maintain ties to legitimate Afghan parties, including the Afghan government and Afghan Taliban. American demands to cut off ties to any one of them are misplaced. If an Afghan group that Pakistan maintains links with is killing US soldiers in Afghanistan, this is not necessarily Pakistan’s design or responsibility. It is the result of flawed US policies in Afghanistan over the last decade, and a result of ignoring Pakistani advice.

It is also time to loudly question CIA ‘assessments’ about the number of al-Qaeda remnants in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. We know the figure is insignificant to pose any threat to anyone. The US military and CIA inflate these assessments to justify prolonging the Afghan war and, more importantly, to justify meddling in Pakistan. The US is also pandering to its Indian ally by telling another lie, that the pro-Kashmir Lashkar-e-Taiba group, which is opposed to Indian military presence in Kashmir, has somehow metamorphosed into a ‘global threat.’ This is political propaganda.

Ahmed Quraishi.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=43521&Cat=9&dt=4/25/2011
I request ISI (Army actually) to not make a govt. of ur demand (PTI), leave it for people of Pakistan to decide!
 

ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is the consequence of Pakistan not considering itself worthy of a friendship, and that is why U.S official do what they do due to our subservient attitude, and our lack of understanding American language expressions.

So the idea here is that it is better late than never. I cannot discuss on this forum things I like to talk about, but those who discuss with American reps should know what Pakistan has done for U.S. in the past 60 years, If they cannot express this eloquently than they should be fired and intelligent, smart and knowledgeable people should be representing the case.

U.S. is a country from which one can get lots of benefits if you know how to represent yourself. We should not blame other but look into our own style, mistakes and correct by hiring those who can represent us in the best way.

Any one will object to our services India has been doing it for decades, Afghanistan Govt. does it, U.S. will do it if we not represent our case in a strong way, what can be more strong than we who are killing those Pakistanis who are trouble makers, how can Pakistan not go with it win with it.

So be brilliant, call for a meeting have it open to the media and tell the whole truth from there. Tell Starting from Russian invasion to training of Mujahideen to today when we are fighting our own.

There is so much more can be said.
 
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ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
ALLAMA IQBAL said this 100 years ago in 1907,

5.GIF

The lion who had emerged from the desert and had toppled the Roman Empire, is, as I am told by the angels, about to get up again (from his sleep)

Exactly after 100 Years The Lion has got up in 2007 with his full power
ARMY+ISI+JUDICIARY = THE LION OF IQBAL

Iqbal's prediction is becoming true.

Now Just wait for this Lion to topple the Indian Empire & their Allies. Insha' Allah
 

ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Army has to do the right thing, as it does, so it is incumbent on Army to promote the right party for Pakistan. all other parties have been tried, same old same old.

Now is the time to bring young blood with knowledge, vigor and finesse to rule Pakistan by laws and not personal whims.


I support the Army because that is right thing to do.
 

alpha

MPA (400+ posts)
let ISI bring Imran Khan, what awam brought Zardari, Rehman Malik, Baber Awan, Jamsheed Dasti,i can go on and on

so lets try this now :)
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ALLAMA IQBAL said this 100 years ago in 1907,

5.GIF

The lion who had emerged from the desert and had toppled the Roman Empire, is, as I am told by the angels, about to get up again (from his sleep)

Exactly after 100 Years The Lion has got up in 2007 with his full power
ARMY+ISI+JUDICIARY = THE LION OF IQBAL

Iqbal's prediction is becoming true.

Now Just wait for this Lion to topple the Indian Empire & their Allies. Insha' Allah

Insha' Allah. 100% agreed with you sir. Very nice formula. But I may have little suggestion.

Technocrats+JUDICIARY + Army at the back
 

murfi

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
ALLAMA IQBAL said this 100 years ago in 1907,

5.GIF

The lion who had emerged from the desert and had toppled the Roman Empire, is, as I am told by the angels, about to get up again (from his sleep)

Exactly after 100 Years The Lion has got up in 2007 with his full power
ARMY+ISI+JUDICIARY = THE LION OF IQBAL

Iqbal's prediction is becoming true.

Now Just wait for this Lion to topple the Indian Empire & their Allies. Insha' Allah

Man you are living in a fool's paradise.