Islamic laws regarding zina

[samar]

How the act of zina is proved if it is only between man and woman and no third person is present at that place.i.e is their any islamic way where zina can be proved without a witness if both of them do not accept it????

How can 4 people gather and someone commits zina infront of them ???
If that is the case then is zina only penalized openly (because no way four people may witness it)

What are the conditions to prove a rape ,if a girl is rapped by 4 people and only five of them are witness to this then how can the girl get justice according to Islam.

 

[faqira786]

We alredy have huge discussion going on one HOT topic, Why you started new thread of ZINA?

 

[canadian]

How the act of zina is proved if it is only between man and woman and no third person is present at that place.i.e is their any islamic way where zina can be proved without a witness if both of them do not accept it????

How can 4 people gather and someone commits zina infront of them ???
If that is the case then is zina only penalized openly (because no way four people may witness it)

What are the conditions to prove a rape ,if a girl is rapped by 4 people and only five of them are witness to this then how can the girl get justice according to Islam.

Yeh " Zina " ka masla beech main kuon utha rahey ho.kia baqi maslon sey fursat mil gai hai to iss taraf aiey ho ?? Iss masleh per barrey waizay hidayaat moujod hain un ko ja kar perho.phir samajh na aiye to idhar ka rukh karan.

 

[Mughal1]

Dear samar, if you visit my following thread you may findit helpful.


http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50607-Pakistan-religion-secularism-amp-tribalism&

 

[biomat]

Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother Canadian you are right.
This is not the place to discuss these topics. No one here is expert on this.
Ask your aalim near you..
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your understanding..

 

[behzadji]

Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother Canadian you are right.
This is not the place to discuss these topics. No one here is expert on this.
Ask your aalim near you..
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your understanding..

Good to see your advice to refer to expert. It is always advisable. In the eyes of Allah the adviser is having double reward. If he is true he will get double as he is offering advice to someone. But even his advise is not true but since he has strived with his efforts to get an answer, he is given credit. But re: the guidance seeker, he always gets the reward as he is following someone worthy to be adviser.

 

[babadeena]

How the act of zina is proved if it is only between man and woman and no third person
is present at that place.i.e is their any islamic way where zina can be proved without a witness
if both of them do not accept it????
(The punishment of Islamic system, that is Had, is when it is proven
beyond any doubt that this act is committed, and there are four witnessess). Perhaps
rationale behind such severe punishment is that people should not do
it openly (Fashatan mubiyaan). If both woman and man do not accept that
they have done it and there are no witnessess, then their case is with
Allah only.)
If only a man and woman is involved, therefore like any thing crime, the
Witness is only Allah and Allah has prescribed punishment for such
people at the Day of Judgement (Perpetual dwellings in Jahanam).

How can 4 people gather and someone commits zina infront of them ???
If that is the case then is zina only penalized openly (because no way four people may witness it)
(This is the rationale and logic that People should not commit
such crime openly and in gatherings like, past people
used to do)
What are the conditions to prove a rape ,if a girl is rapped by 4 people and only five of them are witness to this then
how can the girl get justice according to Islam.
(Again Witnesses is the condition. One can only desire justice in
Islam, if Islam is enforced from a to z in a society. Picking n choosing is no
solution. People will think thrice before raping any girl in that system.
The Poor girl will get justice, if not in this world, then in the
Hereafter. Humans can only try to give justice but ultimate
justice will be only on that Day. (I implore Allah's
forgiveness and mercy).

Apart from what has been highlighted above,Better you may go through Surah Noor,
initial verses. that may
help. Zina is also one of those sins like Shirk, perhaps Allah will
not forgive, He does what He wants. Has absolute authority.

 

[samar]

Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother Canadian you are right.
This is not the place to discuss these topics. No one here is expert on this.
Ask your aalim near you..
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your understanding..

Brother Biomat i am surprised to hear you argument but at the same time i agree wid you.

yes i agree with you that hear there are no experts of the subject so my intention is not to get a fatwa from here i want to get different views of our members and what they think about this.

I am surprised because this issue is not that sensitive that it may create hatred towards some sect.
Very serious and sensitive issues are being discussed here by the same members but you never asked them not to discuss such sensitive issues on which different sects have difference of opinion.

yahan pe logo ko mushrik ore bidati k alkabaat diey jatey hain us pe aap ne kabi aiteraaz nhi kia ye to koiee aisa masla nhi jis se kisi pe keechar uchala ja raha ho.(thumbsdown)

 

[samar]

Apart from what has been highlighted above,Better you may go through Surah Noor,
initial verses. that may
help. Zina is also one of those sins like Shirk, perhaps Allah will
not forgive, He does what He wants. Has absolute authority.

How the act of zina is proved if it is only between man and woman and no third person is present at that place.i.e is their any islamic way where zina can be proved without a witness if both of them do not accept it????
Reason for asking this question was that Is there any place in Islam for improvements in the field of medical science. If Zina can be proved by medical science Is it allowed in Islam to accept that proof.If not why???


What are the conditions to prove a rape ,if a girl is rapped by 4 people and only five of them are witness to this then how can the girl get justice according to Islam.
Well the argument was not how justice is provided or the system that provides justice is good or bad thats another topic and that is independent of the law.Here my concern is the Law.If law is asking the raped girl for witness, how would she find witnesses if she is raped inside a room not in public. If this is the case then no raped girl can get justice

 

[Mughal1]

How the act of zina is proved if it is only between man and woman and no third person is present at that place.i.e is their any islamic way where zina can be proved without a witness if both of them do not accept it????
Reason for asking this question was that Is there any place in Islam for improvements in the field of medical science. If Zina can be proved by medical science Is it allowed in Islam to accept that proof.If not why???


What are the conditions to prove a rape ,if a girl is rapped by 4 people and only five of them are witness to this then how can the girl get justice according to Islam.
Well the argument was not how justice is provided or the system that provides justice is good or bad thats another topic and that is independent of the law.Here my concern is the Law.If law is asking the raped girl for witness, how would she find witnesses if she is raped inside a room not in public. If this is the case then no raped girl can get justice

Dear samar, islam has been the basis for various laws we see in the world.

The problem with muslims is that they only read the quran for ISAALE SAWAAB, hope you understand.

There are no experts on islam just a small number of scholars who make effort to understand islam. If we had experts we would not be in the predicament that we are in.

Not only that we do not know islam but we do not want to know it eiter. It is therefore an excuse always, don't discuss islam.

There are basically three groups of people when it come to views on islam.

1)Traditional muslims, they never think but just follow their imaams (muqalideen).

2)Those who reject islam of imaams and think islam is just irrelevant for today so no point in talking about it.

!)&2)keep on fighting senselessly.

3)Schoars of the quran and the hadith, who do not agree with either party and use their own god given brains. These people are target of 1)&2)because they talk sense, proving them both wrong and showing clearly that the quran and the hadith are still relevant even today as they were 1400 years back.

As for laws about sex related cimes they have a clear framework in the quran which is the best of all. I have explained in my posts in detail as to how islamic juresprudence really works.

Once one reads them with understanding one will come to know how it all comes together.

The main point to remember is that quran is not book of list of laws nor is the hadith. These are books which tell us rules with examples as to how to legislate.

The main dispute between muqalideen and mujtahideen is that muqalideen believe that quran and the hadith are books that list laws and all we need to do is iomplement them. This is utterly wrong way to look at the quran and the hadith. Why? Because laws are needed in each and every matter and in great detail and that makes a huge list of things that cannot be covered even by moutain of books. This is why the quran gives us principles to form law with so that we could make any laws that we may need about anything. It is like you have formulae for mathematical problem solvings in the math books and not a list of already solved sums but just examples to help understand the formulas. This way we can solve any prolems that we may come arcoss.

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...en-plz!-Nice-Column-by-Orya-Maqbool-Jan/page4


http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?50607-Pakistan-religion-secularism-amp-tribalism&

regards and all the best.