Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar
He is the only one of our scholars who combine logic with Islamic teachings making everything sound completely logical. He encourages people to question everything and is capable of answering even the most complex questions. The best thing about him is that he accepts differences of opinion and believes it to be a natural phenomenon. This results in tolerance in society. Whenever he says something he presents it as his interpretation and does not brand others as munafiq or agents or kafir just because they differ with him. To me he is the best we have got by a distance. I wish there were more like him
He is the only one of our scholars who combine logic with Islamic teachings making everything sound completely logical. He encourages people to question everything and is capable of answering even the most complex questions. The best thing about him is that he accepts differences of opinion and believes it to be a natural phenomenon. This results in tolerance in society. Whenever he says something he presents it as his interpretation and does not brand others as munafiq or agents or kafir just because they differ with him. To me he is the best we have got by a distance. I wish there were more like him
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar
I have seen the programme you are referring to (an episode of Ghamdi on Geo) and I found it very enlightening. I can say without doubt it increased by belief in God and addressed some of the doubts/confusions i had.
I have seen the programme you are referring to (an episode of Ghamdi on Geo) and I found it very enlightening. I can say without doubt it increased by belief in God and addressed some of the doubts/confusions i had.
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar
Pyare dosto, islam ka munaasib had tak jaanane waala koi nscholar aaj ham logoon main mojood nahin hai, har koi thoda bahot hi islam ke baare main jaanta hai.
Islam main do bunyaadi baaten 1)quran islam ka dastoor ya aaeen hai. is baat ka zikr khud quran main hai. kia aap log bataa sakte hen keh woh kon kon si soorten aur aayten hen jin main is baat ka zikr hai?
is ke liye aap ko chahiye keh aap log soorat 4,5,24,33,58,65 ko bahot hi ghor se paden.
in soortun main bataaya gaya hai keh maashra kese banaaya jaata hai, is ki intzaamiya kese banayee jaati hai. pas jab logoon ko quran ki samajh is tarah se aajaaye gi to sab ummat theek thaak ho jaaye gi. kyunkeh baadshaohun aur un ke molavyun ko islam se dushmani thi is liye un logoon ne is ka holiya bagaad diya. quran ki ghalat tafseeren kar daalin aur yun logoon ko bewaqoof banaaya. yani deen ko mazhab banaa diya aur jin baatun se pata chal sakta tha keh islam deen hai un ki ghalat tabeeren pesh kin un ko chhupaane ke liye.
2)Quran main islam ka maashi nizaam bhi hai magar kahan hai is ko bhi maloom karen. jab ham yeh do baaten achhi tarha se jaan len ge to phir maanana peda ga keh flaan shakh islam ka bahot achha schoar hai.
is ka zikr soorat 4 aur 8 main milta hai. nizaamen zakaat 2.5% baadshaon ne molavyun ke zariye banwaaya aur us ka nateeja aaj hamare saamne hai.
islam har giz aisi taqseem ki ijaazat nahin deta jisse maashare main tabqaati taqseem ko farogh mile.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-stand-and-why&p=490460&viewfull=1#post490460
quran ko arabi main pado aur dictionariyun ki madad se haqaaiq ko saamne rakh kar samjhne ki koshish karo ta keh aap ko pata chale mullah logoon ne hamare saath kia khel khela hai.
ham assaye moosa se saanp dekhaa kar khud jeben bharne main masroof ho ge. is liye in ko maddari kaha jaaye to shaid ghalat na ho ga.
inqilaab ki zaroorat hi nahin rehte agar ham siasi aur maashi tor par theek hun.
fahaashi yeh hai ke log bhooke mar rehe hun aur aap ahmaq pan ka muzaahirah karen un ki taraf tawajo na de kar.
zina yeh hai keh log quran ki baatun main apni taraf se milaawat kar den aur yoon qurani taleem par pardah daal den.
aakhen khulo aur haq baat ko pehchano.
pesgamber moosa ki qaom ko pyaas paani ki nahin thi ilm ki thi keh jaab logoon par zulm ki waja se jahaalat chha jaati hai to un ko bhi khyaal aata hai kaash ham ko koi achhi baat sikhaa de taa keh ham apni mussebatun ko samajh saken aur un ka hal talaash karen.
kyunkeh qaome moosa is haalat ko ponchh chuki thi is liye jab moosa ne awaaz laggaaee unhu ne labek klaha. loha zulm ki bhati main surkh ho choka tha bas us ko hathode ki zaroorat thi jo us ko drust shakal de de.
Jab logoon par zulm bad jaata hai to un ko leader ki talaash hoti hai jo un ko drust simt le jaaye. khudaa ke peghaamun ka yahee maqsad tha logoon ko drust simt dekhaana and peghambrun ka yahee maqsad tha un ko bataana keh inqilaab kaise laaya jaata hai logoon ki zehni soch badal kar.
aik achha maashar qaaim karna bahot hi mushkil baat hai is ke liye bahot hi mehnat darkaar hai sirf duain karne se kaam nahin chalta.
agar ham khud ko behtar simt le jaana chahte hen to ham ko quran ko samjhna ho ga. jab tak ham khud quran ko theek tarah se nahin samajh sakte ham drust simt ka taayun nahin kar sakte to kisi aur ko kahan le jaayen ge? Sochne ki baat hai.
isi liye aap ko har us shakhs par sakht tanqeed nahin karni chahiye jo apni tehqeeq karta hai deen par. isi liye to ham mullah ke ghulam hen kyun keh ham kisi aur ko baat hi nahin karne dete.
kisi ko apna tarjama aur tafseer nahin karne dete aur yun ham log bas ghalat jaga par khade hen aur wahin rehna chate hen. to phir aur logoon se ghila kaisa? aap dukh dard main pade ho aur kisi ko ijaazat bhi nahin de rehe ho ke woh aap ko is museebat se nikaale. aakhir aap chahte kia ho?
jab tak ham log apni soch samajh se kaam nahin len ge hamare kisi bhi masale ka kuchh bhi hal nahin ho sakhta.
aap apne sar masjadoon ke farsh par phoden yaa aik doosre par charaahi kar ke ya phir bazurgun ki qabrun par nateejah aik hi ho ga.
jiis soch samajh aur amal dakhal ne pehle koi achha nateeja nahin diya usi par mazeed apna waqt zaaya karna aqal mandi maloom nahin hoti. ham ko apne aap par tanqeedi nigah daalne ki sakht zaroorat hai. ta keh ham aik nahin soch ki taraf aayen, koi aur tareeqa apnayen jis ka nateejah hamare liye behtar ho.
nabi kareem ke paas kuchh bhi aur nahin tha quran ke siwaa jis se aap ne qaomo ki zindagi badal di. peghambre khudaa moosa ke paas bhi koi soota nahin tha bas khudaa ki kitaab thi tauraat. in kitaabun main zaroor koi aisi baat hai jis par amal karne se duniya badli jaa sakti hai.
zahir hai maashara badalne ke liye maashra badalne waala hi koi kaam karna ho ga na ke kuchh aur karne se maashara badal jaaye ga. aap agar aam ka paid lagaayen ge to aam hi peda hun ge na keh kharbooze yaa ienten pathar.
isi liye jo nizaam aap duniya main laana chahte hen us ko achhi tarah se samjhen keh woh kaise qaable amal ho sakta hai. phir us ka parchaar karen takeh log apne faaida dekh kar us ko qabool,karen. us ke baad hi woh aap ki madad karne ko tayaar hun ge.
jab aap khud nahin jaante aap ka dastoor kia aur logoon ko roti aap kaise den ge to kon aap ke saath aaye ga aur kis liya?
is liye aap log doosrun ke khayalaat sunen aur dekhen keh woh kia kehte hen. agar un ki baatun main wazan hai to theekh wana aap kisi aur ko dekhen woh kiya kehta aur khud bhi soch wichaar karen. mumkin hai aap khud aur logoon se baat ko behtar samajh saken.
khudaa ham sab ko apni di hui salahiyatun ko sahee istehmaal karne ki soch aata farmaaye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjwXtL4DI0&feature=related
Pyare dosto, islam ka munaasib had tak jaanane waala koi nscholar aaj ham logoon main mojood nahin hai, har koi thoda bahot hi islam ke baare main jaanta hai.
Islam main do bunyaadi baaten 1)quran islam ka dastoor ya aaeen hai. is baat ka zikr khud quran main hai. kia aap log bataa sakte hen keh woh kon kon si soorten aur aayten hen jin main is baat ka zikr hai?
is ke liye aap ko chahiye keh aap log soorat 4,5,24,33,58,65 ko bahot hi ghor se paden.
in soortun main bataaya gaya hai keh maashra kese banaaya jaata hai, is ki intzaamiya kese banayee jaati hai. pas jab logoon ko quran ki samajh is tarah se aajaaye gi to sab ummat theek thaak ho jaaye gi. kyunkeh baadshaohun aur un ke molavyun ko islam se dushmani thi is liye un logoon ne is ka holiya bagaad diya. quran ki ghalat tafseeren kar daalin aur yun logoon ko bewaqoof banaaya. yani deen ko mazhab banaa diya aur jin baatun se pata chal sakta tha keh islam deen hai un ki ghalat tabeeren pesh kin un ko chhupaane ke liye.
2)Quran main islam ka maashi nizaam bhi hai magar kahan hai is ko bhi maloom karen. jab ham yeh do baaten achhi tarha se jaan len ge to phir maanana peda ga keh flaan shakh islam ka bahot achha schoar hai.
is ka zikr soorat 4 aur 8 main milta hai. nizaamen zakaat 2.5% baadshaon ne molavyun ke zariye banwaaya aur us ka nateeja aaj hamare saamne hai.
islam har giz aisi taqseem ki ijaazat nahin deta jisse maashare main tabqaati taqseem ko farogh mile.
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-stand-and-why&p=490460&viewfull=1#post490460
quran ko arabi main pado aur dictionariyun ki madad se haqaaiq ko saamne rakh kar samjhne ki koshish karo ta keh aap ko pata chale mullah logoon ne hamare saath kia khel khela hai.
ham assaye moosa se saanp dekhaa kar khud jeben bharne main masroof ho ge. is liye in ko maddari kaha jaaye to shaid ghalat na ho ga.
inqilaab ki zaroorat hi nahin rehte agar ham siasi aur maashi tor par theek hun.
fahaashi yeh hai ke log bhooke mar rehe hun aur aap ahmaq pan ka muzaahirah karen un ki taraf tawajo na de kar.
zina yeh hai keh log quran ki baatun main apni taraf se milaawat kar den aur yoon qurani taleem par pardah daal den.
aakhen khulo aur haq baat ko pehchano.
pesgamber moosa ki qaom ko pyaas paani ki nahin thi ilm ki thi keh jaab logoon par zulm ki waja se jahaalat chha jaati hai to un ko bhi khyaal aata hai kaash ham ko koi achhi baat sikhaa de taa keh ham apni mussebatun ko samajh saken aur un ka hal talaash karen.
kyunkeh qaome moosa is haalat ko ponchh chuki thi is liye jab moosa ne awaaz laggaaee unhu ne labek klaha. loha zulm ki bhati main surkh ho choka tha bas us ko hathode ki zaroorat thi jo us ko drust shakal de de.
Jab logoon par zulm bad jaata hai to un ko leader ki talaash hoti hai jo un ko drust simt le jaaye. khudaa ke peghaamun ka yahee maqsad tha logoon ko drust simt dekhaana and peghambrun ka yahee maqsad tha un ko bataana keh inqilaab kaise laaya jaata hai logoon ki zehni soch badal kar.
aik achha maashar qaaim karna bahot hi mushkil baat hai is ke liye bahot hi mehnat darkaar hai sirf duain karne se kaam nahin chalta.
agar ham khud ko behtar simt le jaana chahte hen to ham ko quran ko samjhna ho ga. jab tak ham khud quran ko theek tarah se nahin samajh sakte ham drust simt ka taayun nahin kar sakte to kisi aur ko kahan le jaayen ge? Sochne ki baat hai.
isi liye aap ko har us shakhs par sakht tanqeed nahin karni chahiye jo apni tehqeeq karta hai deen par. isi liye to ham mullah ke ghulam hen kyun keh ham kisi aur ko baat hi nahin karne dete.
kisi ko apna tarjama aur tafseer nahin karne dete aur yun ham log bas ghalat jaga par khade hen aur wahin rehna chate hen. to phir aur logoon se ghila kaisa? aap dukh dard main pade ho aur kisi ko ijaazat bhi nahin de rehe ho ke woh aap ko is museebat se nikaale. aakhir aap chahte kia ho?
jab tak ham log apni soch samajh se kaam nahin len ge hamare kisi bhi masale ka kuchh bhi hal nahin ho sakhta.
aap apne sar masjadoon ke farsh par phoden yaa aik doosre par charaahi kar ke ya phir bazurgun ki qabrun par nateejah aik hi ho ga.
jiis soch samajh aur amal dakhal ne pehle koi achha nateeja nahin diya usi par mazeed apna waqt zaaya karna aqal mandi maloom nahin hoti. ham ko apne aap par tanqeedi nigah daalne ki sakht zaroorat hai. ta keh ham aik nahin soch ki taraf aayen, koi aur tareeqa apnayen jis ka nateejah hamare liye behtar ho.
nabi kareem ke paas kuchh bhi aur nahin tha quran ke siwaa jis se aap ne qaomo ki zindagi badal di. peghambre khudaa moosa ke paas bhi koi soota nahin tha bas khudaa ki kitaab thi tauraat. in kitaabun main zaroor koi aisi baat hai jis par amal karne se duniya badli jaa sakti hai.
zahir hai maashara badalne ke liye maashra badalne waala hi koi kaam karna ho ga na ke kuchh aur karne se maashara badal jaaye ga. aap agar aam ka paid lagaayen ge to aam hi peda hun ge na keh kharbooze yaa ienten pathar.
isi liye jo nizaam aap duniya main laana chahte hen us ko achhi tarah se samjhen keh woh kaise qaable amal ho sakta hai. phir us ka parchaar karen takeh log apne faaida dekh kar us ko qabool,karen. us ke baad hi woh aap ki madad karne ko tayaar hun ge.
jab aap khud nahin jaante aap ka dastoor kia aur logoon ko roti aap kaise den ge to kon aap ke saath aaye ga aur kis liya?
is liye aap log doosrun ke khayalaat sunen aur dekhen keh woh kia kehte hen. agar un ki baatun main wazan hai to theekh wana aap kisi aur ko dekhen woh kiya kehta aur khud bhi soch wichaar karen. mumkin hai aap khud aur logoon se baat ko behtar samajh saken.
khudaa ham sab ko apni di hui salahiyatun ko sahee istehmaal karne ki soch aata farmaaye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjwXtL4DI0&feature=related
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eysonm
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Insan ki Takhlique ka Maqsad (Complete Programe) - Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
moderate scholar... 50% of Babar Ch of Alrehman & Rahim. even i rejected him. All his followers were media guys and see what they all r doing. but i dont think and sure such scholars r rejected and result is he is out of country.
moderate scholar... 50% of Babar Ch of Alrehman & Rahim. even i rejected him. All his followers were media guys and see what they all r doing. but i dont think and sure such scholars r rejected and result is he is out of country.
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Insan ki Takhlique ka Maqsad (Complete Programe) - Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
hamari bari badqismati hay kay is tarah kay Moederate scholar ko mulik chorna para. air jo intha pasand molvis so called Scholars hain, wo khulay ghum rahay hain dusron ko aapis main laranay kay liye aur dusron ko kafir kay fatway denay kay liye... very sad.Allah is quom ko hidayet de ,takay wo achay aur buray ki tameez ker sakain. Aamin.
hamari bari badqismati hay kay is tarah kay Moederate scholar ko mulik chorna para. air jo intha pasand molvis so called Scholars hain, wo khulay ghum rahay hain dusron ko aapis main laranay kay liye aur dusron ko kafir kay fatway denay kay liye... very sad.Allah is quom ko hidayet de ,takay wo achay aur buray ki tameez ker sakain. Aamin.
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indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
On Wednesday, at the National Education Conference in Islamabad, we heard an interesting argument. While Dr Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, a prominent religious scholar, recommended that Islamiat (Islamic studies) be introduced as a subject only after Class V, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz differed with him and said that students should be imparted religious education from the very beginning. In the recently approved scheme of studies, the government has excluded Islamic studies as a subject in the first two grades. Dr Ghamdi wants this exclusion to extend to the fifth grade. He argued that until students reach Class V, they should be taught ethics to instil in them a sense of humanism and civility. Dr Ghamdi’s argument is that religious education, without formal education from an early age, tends to produce religious and sectarian extremists. He recommended that the compulsory teaching of the Quran should begin in Class VI, so that no mullah can “spoil an innocent mind”. Dr Ghamdi also wants the distortions in history textbooks to be removed. Mr Aziz, however, differed with Dr Ghamdi. “In my personal view both religious and formal education are [sic] necessary from the beginning. Religious education... helps character building,” he said at the concluding ceremony of the conference. Mr Aziz added that the education system must be based on “Pakistani values and religious norms”. How should we look at these two arguments?
First, we commend Dr Ghamdi on his insightful argument. Equally, however, we think it most unfortunate that Mr Aziz, supposedly a moderate and “enlightened” gentleman, failed to grasp Dr Ghamdi’s argument, both for its intrinsic value and its contextual significance. Consider.
By emphasising “ethics” before a study of religion, Dr Ghamdi is clearly arguing that “ethics” and “religion” are two different categories, and religion, if it is to be understood in its correct perspective and not induce violent hatred, must be tempered with ethics. This is an incisive argument and by presenting it Dr Ghamdi has done a great service to this country. Since the benighted days of General Zia ul Haq, this country has mixed religion and ethics with disastrous results. Ritualistic piety has arrived centre-stage and upstaged every other value. One of its consequences is textual literalism that is Calvinistic, bigoted, sectarian and violent. But while “religion” provides the overhang under which we have been breathing for a quarter century now, humanism, civic sense, probity and work ethic have all made an unceremonious exit. Nothing can revive them unless we heed what Dr Ghamdi has said: that for religion to become meaningful, for it to become spiritual, for it to become socially relevant, we need to first study ethics. The young have to be exposed to ethics as the basis of humanity, the larger framework in which religion can be placed and the only way it can then be appreciated in its true spirit.
It is a matter of concern that Mr Aziz, instead of appreciating the vigour of Dr Ghamdi’s argument, chose to parrot the politically opportunist and cynical line that has become so familiar to us and which has been the bane of this society — religious education helps in character building and education must be based on Pakistani values. No sir, you are wrong on both conceptual and empirical counts. If religious education helped in character building we would not have had the spectre of religious violence that has consumed thousands of lives so far and shows no signs of abating. Similarly, there is no such thing as “Pakistani values”. Ethical values are universal and they are non-spatial and non-temporal. Surely Mr Aziz knows that. This is exactly what Dr Ghamdi is pointing out. Teach the children ethics so they can be saved from the essentialism of religion. Do not queer the pitch by starting with religion. Let young minds be exposed to a universalism that is essential for them to be good human beings so that they can become good Muslims. This makes sense. To say that a religious-minded Pakistani will automatically be a good human being is not correct. Our society is full of such religious minded “Muslims” who are bad human beings. We see the flaws of this sort of thinking in everyday life, from the workplace to the roads to the workings of the government and its functionaries. It is time to get rid of it.
Mr Aziz should reconsider Dr Ghamdi’s argument and see the merit in it. There is no point, political expediency notwithstanding, for a person of his upbringing and intellect to take the beaten path for the sake of politics and refuse to pick up Dr Ghamdi’s logic. Doesn’t the government want to instil enlightenment and moderation precisely because there is a lack of these in a “religious minded” culture of ignorance and extremism? Neither of these values can come without appeal to universal human values that are a function of ethics as it stands and not as a hyphenated adjunct with religion. Indeed, this is an issue on which the government should hold a separate conference and invite comment. It is important for us to understand the essence of what Dr Ghamdi is saying if we want to put this society and state back on the rails of humanism and civility. *
SOURCE \ dated June 06
EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
On Wednesday, at the National Education Conference in Islamabad, we heard an interesting argument. While Dr Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, a prominent religious scholar, recommended that Islamiat (Islamic studies) be introduced as a subject only after Class V, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz differed with him and said that students should be imparted religious education from the very beginning. In the recently approved scheme of studies, the government has excluded Islamic studies as a subject in the first two grades. Dr Ghamdi wants this exclusion to extend to the fifth grade. He argued that until students reach Class V, they should be taught ethics to instil in them a sense of humanism and civility. Dr Ghamdi’s argument is that religious education, without formal education from an early age, tends to produce religious and sectarian extremists. He recommended that the compulsory teaching of the Quran should begin in Class VI, so that no mullah can “spoil an innocent mind”. Dr Ghamdi also wants the distortions in history textbooks to be removed. Mr Aziz, however, differed with Dr Ghamdi. “In my personal view both religious and formal education are [sic] necessary from the beginning. Religious education... helps character building,” he said at the concluding ceremony of the conference. Mr Aziz added that the education system must be based on “Pakistani values and religious norms”. How should we look at these two arguments?
First, we commend Dr Ghamdi on his insightful argument. Equally, however, we think it most unfortunate that Mr Aziz, supposedly a moderate and “enlightened” gentleman, failed to grasp Dr Ghamdi’s argument, both for its intrinsic value and its contextual significance. Consider.
By emphasising “ethics” before a study of religion, Dr Ghamdi is clearly arguing that “ethics” and “religion” are two different categories, and religion, if it is to be understood in its correct perspective and not induce violent hatred, must be tempered with ethics. This is an incisive argument and by presenting it Dr Ghamdi has done a great service to this country. Since the benighted days of General Zia ul Haq, this country has mixed religion and ethics with disastrous results. Ritualistic piety has arrived centre-stage and upstaged every other value. One of its consequences is textual literalism that is Calvinistic, bigoted, sectarian and violent. But while “religion” provides the overhang under which we have been breathing for a quarter century now, humanism, civic sense, probity and work ethic have all made an unceremonious exit. Nothing can revive them unless we heed what Dr Ghamdi has said: that for religion to become meaningful, for it to become spiritual, for it to become socially relevant, we need to first study ethics. The young have to be exposed to ethics as the basis of humanity, the larger framework in which religion can be placed and the only way it can then be appreciated in its true spirit.
It is a matter of concern that Mr Aziz, instead of appreciating the vigour of Dr Ghamdi’s argument, chose to parrot the politically opportunist and cynical line that has become so familiar to us and which has been the bane of this society — religious education helps in character building and education must be based on Pakistani values. No sir, you are wrong on both conceptual and empirical counts. If religious education helped in character building we would not have had the spectre of religious violence that has consumed thousands of lives so far and shows no signs of abating. Similarly, there is no such thing as “Pakistani values”. Ethical values are universal and they are non-spatial and non-temporal. Surely Mr Aziz knows that. This is exactly what Dr Ghamdi is pointing out. Teach the children ethics so they can be saved from the essentialism of religion. Do not queer the pitch by starting with religion. Let young minds be exposed to a universalism that is essential for them to be good human beings so that they can become good Muslims. This makes sense. To say that a religious-minded Pakistani will automatically be a good human being is not correct. Our society is full of such religious minded “Muslims” who are bad human beings. We see the flaws of this sort of thinking in everyday life, from the workplace to the roads to the workings of the government and its functionaries. It is time to get rid of it.
Mr Aziz should reconsider Dr Ghamdi’s argument and see the merit in it. There is no point, political expediency notwithstanding, for a person of his upbringing and intellect to take the beaten path for the sake of politics and refuse to pick up Dr Ghamdi’s logic. Doesn’t the government want to instil enlightenment and moderation precisely because there is a lack of these in a “religious minded” culture of ignorance and extremism? Neither of these values can come without appeal to universal human values that are a function of ethics as it stands and not as a hyphenated adjunct with religion. Indeed, this is an issue on which the government should hold a separate conference and invite comment. It is important for us to understand the essence of what Dr Ghamdi is saying if we want to put this society and state back on the rails of humanism and civility. *
SOURCE \ dated June 06
iceburg
Banned
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
What great thoughts...!!! Lagta hai Ghamdi Sahib ko Mullah ki mal-practices (dishonesties) ka bohut deep andaza hai ....
Fact yahi hai ... k Mullah jab Quran perhata hai tu Quran ki taleem ki bajaye siraf kuch irrelevat to Quran nazriyat ki taleem de raha hota hai aur naam Quran ka istimaal kerta hai. Jab start se children ko ethics parh.hayi jaye ... tu iss k positive assrat hon.ge. Jab 5th grade main os ko Quran parhana shuru kiya jaye ga tub wo Quran k naam pe kisi aur taleem ko accept nahi kare ga..........
This is really a great proposal by the great scholar Ghamidi Sahib.
@Abdul Allah ... this is for your consideration also.
What great thoughts...!!! Lagta hai Ghamdi Sahib ko Mullah ki mal-practices (dishonesties) ka bohut deep andaza hai ....
Fact yahi hai ... k Mullah jab Quran perhata hai tu Quran ki taleem ki bajaye siraf kuch irrelevat to Quran nazriyat ki taleem de raha hota hai aur naam Quran ka istimaal kerta hai. Jab start se children ko ethics parh.hayi jaye ... tu iss k positive assrat hon.ge. Jab 5th grade main os ko Quran parhana shuru kiya jaye ga tub wo Quran k naam pe kisi aur taleem ko accept nahi kare ga..........
This is really a great proposal by the great scholar Ghamidi Sahib.
@Abdul Allah ... this is for your consideration also.
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jahangir34
Voter (50+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
Gamdi is a jahil man he does not anything about Islam even don't know Arabic . How can he be a Muslim or Islamic scholar so call him jahil my dear and nothing else .He wants to mould Islam according to his aspirations.
Gamdi is a jahil man he does not anything about Islam even don't know Arabic . How can he be a Muslim or Islamic scholar so call him jahil my dear and nothing else .He wants to mould Islam according to his aspirations.
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lafatah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
what a thought..teach ethics..I think we can use our Prophet (PBUH) and make the curriculum of ethics around it without the strong Islamic influnces of war and stuff which are there already..
i like this man..but i dont think our nation is ready for him...just like Syed Ahmed Khan before him
what a thought..teach ethics..I think we can use our Prophet (PBUH) and make the curriculum of ethics around it without the strong Islamic influnces of war and stuff which are there already..
i like this man..but i dont think our nation is ready for him...just like Syed Ahmed Khan before him
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
Kiya aap jahil, aalim aur muslim hone ka certificate jari karte hain??? Ya kisi typical 'maulvi' se koi 'taluq' hai?
Kiya aap jahil, aalim aur muslim hone ka certificate jari karte hain??? Ya kisi typical 'maulvi' se koi 'taluq' hai?
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faheem13
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
Brilliant Ghamdi Sahib,
If this had been done when i was growing up, I would not have been a revolter against the most beautiful religion of the world. It took me another 28 years to get over the mindless cramming and horrific visuals that are embossed upon young minds at that early age in the name of religion by these Imaams and School Molvies. It takes a while for the matured brain to rationalize our religion once again when we are finally able to realize its importance and in may case it took so long and the people that are responsible for this personal loss of mine are the same people which Ghamidi Sahib refers to as extermists (not just with weapons, but also with extermism in their thoughts).
Brilliant Ghamdi Sahib,
If this had been done when i was growing up, I would not have been a revolter against the most beautiful religion of the world. It took me another 28 years to get over the mindless cramming and horrific visuals that are embossed upon young minds at that early age in the name of religion by these Imaams and School Molvies. It takes a while for the matured brain to rationalize our religion once again when we are finally able to realize its importance and in may case it took so long and the people that are responsible for this personal loss of mine are the same people which Ghamidi Sahib refers to as extermists (not just with weapons, but also with extermism in their thoughts).
indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
Studies zaror honi chahiyae or date & source is indeed mention below... June 06
Studies zaror honi chahiyae or date & source is indeed mention below... June 06
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
Asalam o alikum
If you are refering this in context of our early debate than it is irrelevant.
and secondly . Do you think even a 5th grade is ready enough to judge between right and wrong and to know that what what is Quran or what is not.?? So this argument is bit silly that if we include it in 5th grade then we will not have problems. problem starts when you did not put check on what is going on .
And saying that first ethics than Quran is also silly bcz Quran is all about Ethics isnt it???
and saying that Ethics than Religion what it shows that you are saying that Religion is something other than Ethics?? :13:
Asalam o alikum
If you are refering this in context of our early debate than it is irrelevant.
and secondly . Do you think even a 5th grade is ready enough to judge between right and wrong and to know that what what is Quran or what is not.?? So this argument is bit silly that if we include it in 5th grade then we will not have problems. problem starts when you did not put check on what is going on .
And saying that first ethics than Quran is also silly bcz Quran is all about Ethics isnt it???
and saying that Ethics than Religion what it shows that you are saying that Religion is something other than Ethics?? :13:
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: EDITORIAL: Dr Ghamdi is right, Mr Aziz is wrong
if you follow his interprations style than. you should also declare Camel meat as haram. (if we use one of his theories)
His flaws have been explained many time in details
if you follow his interprations style than. you should also declare Camel meat as haram. (if we use one of his theories)
His flaws have been explained many time in details
