_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
جو عورت مکہ میں رہتی ہو کیا اسکو بھی حج کے لئے محرم کی ضرورت ہو گی؟؟
Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
jahanzaibi
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
jo makkah may rehti hay wo saffar nahi karti.. mehram saffar kay lia hay... aur uska mehram hudud haram may hoo ga.
jaisay pakistan say aa rahi hay..ya canada say.
jo makkah may rehti hay wo saffar nahi karti.. mehram saffar kay lia hay... aur uska mehram hudud haram may hoo ga.
jaisay pakistan say aa rahi hay..ya canada say.
jahanzaibi
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
isi lia to kaha hay khilafat .. khalifa tamam muslim ka hoota hay kisi aik mulk ka nahi..
maay pakistan may ya saudi may ya afghanistan,iran may kaheen bhi ja sakta hoon kisi bhi passport kay baghair aur un saab huquq ka hakdar hoon ga jo kisi local ko hasil hain.
No boundries koi bhi muslim kisi bhi nasal ka khalifa hoo sakta hay...
isi lia to kaha hay khilafat .. khalifa tamam muslim ka hoota hay kisi aik mulk ka nahi..
maay pakistan may ya saudi may ya afghanistan,iran may kaheen bhi ja sakta hoon kisi bhi passport kay baghair aur un saab huquq ka hakdar hoon ga jo kisi local ko hasil hain.
No boundries koi bhi muslim kisi bhi nasal ka khalifa hoo sakta hay...
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
تو اسکا مطلب ہے صرف سفر کے لئے محرم کی ضرورت ہے. تو حج کو کیوں ہم بیچ میں لے آتے ہیں. تو بحث صرف سفر کرنے پر ہونی چاہیے .تو یہ پابندیاں ہم صرف عورتوں پر کیوں لگاتے ہیں ؟ قانون تو یہ ہونا چاہیے کے اگر کوئی مرد کسی عورت کو سفرکے دوران جنسی ہریسمنٹ کرے اس کو دس سال قید یا اس سے بھی زیادہ سخت سزا ہونی چاہیے . پھر دیکھتے ہیں کے عورت اکیلی سفر کر سکتی ہے یا نہیں.
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
تو بھائی بغیر جواز السفر (پاسپورٹ ) کے سفر کرنے کے لئے خلافت ہونا ضروری ہے ؟ یہ کام تو بغیر خلافت کے بھی کچھ ممالک آپس میں ملکر پالیسی بنا سکتے ہیں. یورپی یونین کی مثال آپ کے سامنے ہے.
jahanzaibi
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
Bahi ya pabandi hum nay nahi lagai.. ya Allah ka nizam hay her masla logically hal nahi hoota kuch masail per amal karna hoota hay.
Bahi ya pabandi hum nay nahi lagai.. ya Allah ka nizam hay her masla logically hal nahi hoota kuch masail per amal karna hoota hay.
jahanzaibi
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
bilkkul thik aur wo her us hukkok kay hakdar hain jo local ko hay.. kafi bateen unki waisi hi hain jaisi islamic state ki hooni chahia...
bus khilafat may faislay app Allah kay batay hoy tareeqay say kartay hain.. us kanoon may tabdeeli nahi hoo sakti.
Jaisay kay democracy may aab sadar ko istesna hasil hay aur apni passand ka kanoon zardari aur tolla bana litta hay..
khalifa Allah ka nayab hota hay aur wo sirif un hukum ko implement karta hay jo Allah nay banay hain..
Ab agar aik say zyada khalifa hoon gay to issues hoon gay.. jaisay ya mehram ka musla hay.. wagera isi lia aik khalifa hoo ga jo
quran o sunnat say faisla karay ga aur koi ikhtelaf hoo ga to khalifa ka faisla mana jay ga .. agar uska faisla quran-o-sunnat kay khilaf hay
to qazi say ruju hoo ga aur phir wo jo faisla day ga wo implement ho ga...
bilkkul thik aur wo her us hukkok kay hakdar hain jo local ko hay.. kafi bateen unki waisi hi hain jaisi islamic state ki hooni chahia...
bus khilafat may faislay app Allah kay batay hoy tareeqay say kartay hain.. us kanoon may tabdeeli nahi hoo sakti.
Jaisay kay democracy may aab sadar ko istesna hasil hay aur apni passand ka kanoon zardari aur tolla bana litta hay..
khalifa Allah ka nayab hota hay aur wo sirif un hukum ko implement karta hay jo Allah nay banay hain..
Ab agar aik say zyada khalifa hoon gay to issues hoon gay.. jaisay ya mehram ka musla hay.. wagera isi lia aik khalifa hoo ga jo
quran o sunnat say faisla karay ga aur koi ikhtelaf hoo ga to khalifa ka faisla mana jay ga .. agar uska faisla quran-o-sunnat kay khilaf hay
to qazi say ruju hoo ga aur phir wo jo faisla day ga wo implement ho ga...
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
بھائی الله نے کہاں لگائی ہے ؟ یہ جس وقت کہا گیا تھا اس وقت غیر مسلم ،بدمعاش اور لٹیرے لوگ تھے .جس وجہ سے کہا گیا تھا .کے عورت بغیر محرم کے سفر نہ کرے . لیکن افسوس کے ساتھ کہنا پڑتا ہے ،کے آج مسلم ممالک میں جہاں ٩٨ % سے زیادہ مسلم ہیں ،وہاں عورت بغیر محرم کے سفر نہیں کر سکتی .اور جہاں مسلم صرف ٢ % ہیں ،وہاں عورت بغیر محرم کے سفر کرسکتی ہے .اور مسلم معاشروں سےکسی حد تک زیادہ محفوظ ہے.
یہ مسلم مردوں کے لئے بوہت بڑا لمحہ فکریہ ہے .یہاں ہماری بہن ،بیٹی ،بیوی کی ہمارے مسلم مردوں سے عزت محفوظ نہیں ہے .
یہ مسلم مردوں کے لئے بوہت بڑا لمحہ فکریہ ہے .یہاں ہماری بہن ،بیٹی ،بیوی کی ہمارے مسلم مردوں سے عزت محفوظ نہیں ہے .
jahanzaibi
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
bahi ye hi to may nay kaha tha pehlay khilafat lay aoo.. phir agar aurat saffar karti hay group may to thik hay ya bhi sirif imam shafi ki ray hay.. baki imam baghair mehram kay ijazat nahi dettay likim imam shafi nay ye hi kaha tha kay aman hay aur shreef logon ks group hay to aurat saffar kar sakti hay likin
abhi na hi aman hay aur na hi sharafat baki hay.. haram aur sudi paisa apna rang dikhata hay..
ab khliafat kaim hoo .. saud khatam hoo insaf hoo phir manazra kareen gay .... :)
bahi ye hi to may nay kaha tha pehlay khilafat lay aoo.. phir agar aurat saffar karti hay group may to thik hay ya bhi sirif imam shafi ki ray hay.. baki imam baghair mehram kay ijazat nahi dettay likim imam shafi nay ye hi kaha tha kay aman hay aur shreef logon ks group hay to aurat saffar kar sakti hay likin
abhi na hi aman hay aur na hi sharafat baki hay.. haram aur sudi paisa apna rang dikhata hay..
ab khliafat kaim hoo .. saud khatam hoo insaf hoo phir manazra kareen gay .... :)
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
بھائی جب الله کا حکم ہم نے خود مان لیا .اور اس کو انفرادی طور پر اپنے اپر لاگو کرنے کی کوشش کریں گے .ناکے دوسروں پر زبردستی ، تو خود بخود اسلامی حکومت قایم ہو جائے گی . جیسے لوگ ویسے ہی حکمران . یہ تو الله نے بھی کہا ہے.
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
السلام علیکم ورحمۃ اللہ وبرکاتہ
I am not finding a fatwa, just showing all of our muslim brothers who has no knowledge about the basis of other's opinion & they just do IKHTILAAF BARAAY IKHTILAAF اختلاف براے اختلاف, use inappropriate language & pass the ruling of GUMRAAHI against those scholars & Ulema. We have to see the proofs (DALEEL) of other party & if we find their DALEEL weak then differ with them with respect. I agree with your remarks about the safety of woman.
And some concluded that the roadway must be safe. This is the opinion that was chosen by Sheikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah. He mentioned that Ibn Muflih in Al-Faru` said: Every woman can perform Hajj without a mahram as long as she will be safe. And he said: This is directed towards every travel in obedience... Al-Karabisi transmitted this from Ash-Shafi`i pertaining to the supererogatory Hajj. And some of his companions also said this about supererogatory Hajj and about every travel that is not obligatory, like visiting and trading.
Al-Artham transmitted from Imam Ahmad: A mahram is not a condition in the obligatory Hajj. His justification for this is his saying: Because she goes out with women, and with all those whom she is safe with. Ibn Siyrin even said: With a Muslim it is okay. Al-Awzai said: With a just people. Malik said: With a group of women. Ash-Shafi`i said: With a trustworthy faithful Muslim woman. And his companions said: By herself if there is safety.
Al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar said: What is well-known with the Shafi`is is that it is conditional that there be a husband, mahram, or trustworthy faithful women. And in another saying: It is enough for just one trustworthy faithful woman. In a saying transmitted by Al-Karabisi, authenticated in Al-Muhadhab, is that she can travel by herself if the roads are safe.
السلام علیکم ورحمۃ اللہ وبرکاتہ
I am not finding a fatwa, just showing all of our muslim brothers who has no knowledge about the basis of other's opinion & they just do IKHTILAAF BARAAY IKHTILAAF اختلاف براے اختلاف, use inappropriate language & pass the ruling of GUMRAAHI against those scholars & Ulema. We have to see the proofs (DALEEL) of other party & if we find their DALEEL weak then differ with them with respect. I agree with your remarks about the safety of woman.
And some concluded that the roadway must be safe. This is the opinion that was chosen by Sheikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah. He mentioned that Ibn Muflih in Al-Faru` said: Every woman can perform Hajj without a mahram as long as she will be safe. And he said: This is directed towards every travel in obedience... Al-Karabisi transmitted this from Ash-Shafi`i pertaining to the supererogatory Hajj. And some of his companions also said this about supererogatory Hajj and about every travel that is not obligatory, like visiting and trading.
Al-Artham transmitted from Imam Ahmad: A mahram is not a condition in the obligatory Hajj. His justification for this is his saying: Because she goes out with women, and with all those whom she is safe with. Ibn Siyrin even said: With a Muslim it is okay. Al-Awzai said: With a just people. Malik said: With a group of women. Ash-Shafi`i said: With a trustworthy faithful Muslim woman. And his companions said: By herself if there is safety.
Al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar said: What is well-known with the Shafi`is is that it is conditional that there be a husband, mahram, or trustworthy faithful women. And in another saying: It is enough for just one trustworthy faithful woman. In a saying transmitted by Al-Karabisi, authenticated in Al-Muhadhab, is that she can travel by herself if the roads are safe.
simple_and_peacefull
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hajj and Umrah: Without Mahram
Visa Conditions for Hajj & Ummrah for women
Visa Conditions for Hajj & Ummrah for women
- Women and children should be accompanied by husband/father or a male relative (Mahram). Proof of relationship is required (a marriage certificate for a wife, a birth certificate for a child indicating the names of both parents). The Mahram must travel into and out of Saudi Arabia on the same flight as his wife and children.
- If a woman is 45 years old or older, she is allowed to go without a Mahram if she travels with an organized group or family and submits a notarized No Objection Certificate from her Mahram.
- If the applicant is not a national of the country he/she is applying from, a valid residency permit must be submitted with the application.
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
GHAMDI is FITNA.
He rejects
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam,
GHAMDI is FITNA.
He rejects
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam,
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Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
phelay ja kar is k sarey program dekho phir akar bolna main jhoot bol raha hoon ya sach. Ghamdi
bhi FITNA hai Tahir ul qadri aur Zaid hamid ki tarah ,ye teeno Islam main thori thori changes lai hain aur in k followers ko pata bhi nahi chala.Tahir ul qadri ko chrismiss mananey ka shouk hai aur Music se bhi lagao hai ,Zaid hamid sahab har cheez main NOOR lay atey hain aur kehtay hain Pakistan NOOR se bana hai (NAUZUBILLAH),aur kabhi kehtay hain Hazrat Mohammad
ki rooh doosrey bandey main asakti hain (NAUZUBILLAH).
ye teeno thori thori achi batein bhi kartey hain ta kay loog un ki taraf ai ,phir ye halkay halkey is tarah Islam ki kuch cheezo ko change kartey hain k bandey ka sara EMAAN zaya ho jai.
ALLAH hum sab ko tamam FITNO se mehfooz farmai aur apney tamam ahkamaat Sunnat nabwi
k mutabik karney ki toufeek ata farmai. AMEEN
phelay ja kar is k sarey program dekho phir akar bolna main jhoot bol raha hoon ya sach. Ghamdi
bhi FITNA hai Tahir ul qadri aur Zaid hamid ki tarah ,ye teeno Islam main thori thori changes lai hain aur in k followers ko pata bhi nahi chala.Tahir ul qadri ko chrismiss mananey ka shouk hai aur Music se bhi lagao hai ,Zaid hamid sahab har cheez main NOOR lay atey hain aur kehtay hain Pakistan NOOR se bana hai (NAUZUBILLAH),aur kabhi kehtay hain Hazrat Mohammad
ye teeno thori thori achi batein bhi kartey hain ta kay loog un ki taraf ai ,phir ye halkay halkey is tarah Islam ki kuch cheezo ko change kartey hain k bandey ka sara EMAAN zaya ho jai.
ALLAH hum sab ko tamam FITNO se mehfooz farmai aur apney tamam ahkamaat Sunnat nabwi
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