K-P to pay Rs15 billion interest on BRT loan

[Saqi99]

اس بات کا کوئی جواب نہیں دیتا کہ لاہور کی آبادی پشاور سے سات گنا زیادہ ہے لیکن اسکی میٹرو پر سوا لاکھ سواریاں روزانہ سفر کرتی ہے تو پھر پشاور میٹرو کے دو نمبر روٹ پر پانچ لاکھ کیسے سفر کریں گے یاد رہے ایک نمبر روٹ وہ تھا جس کیلئے ریلوے نے زمین نہیں دی

Your figure of 100,00 is without adding the feeder routes. Lahore feeder routes were added just recently I guess start of this year. Whole five years Lahore Metro run without any feeder routes which tells alot about Showbaz that how serious was in solving city transport problem and how comprehensive was study.

To me when he got hand of the BRT Peshawar he realized to add it. BTW Lahore feeder routes add additional 200,000 riders on top of 100,000 riders of main 25km strip.

 

[Will_Bite]

Hafeez sahib I asked same question about 10 months ago. And will-bite told me that peshawar is like Manhattan where every day lots of officials with naswar in their mouth come from suburbs and work on skyscrapers of peshawar. They will make the figure of massive travellers not true will-bite.

Peshawar ridership figure is higher because it is a combination of bus and train system. Talking to a wall yields better responses than you.

 

[miafridi]

15 billion in a time span of 25 years is bad? LOLZZZZ at your level of IQ then.:)

Punjab Government's 3 metro bus has almost the same number of commuters that BRT Peshawar will have in this single transport system. And Punjab pays almost 5 billion Rupees annually as subsidy(where their interest rate on these projects is also unknown) on these 3 metro bus projects.

 

[desan]

Typical express tribune style distortion of facts...

The other day they sported a headline,
"Nearly fifth of govt schools in K-P lack drinking water"

However, buried in the detail was the following improvement in availablity of water,
"The IMU data showed that in September 2014, facilities for clean drinking water were available at 69 per cent of the 27,524 government schools for boys and girls in the province while power was available at 61 per cent of schools.

However, three years later – a period overseen by the incumbent Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government in the province – 13 per cent more schools were provided with water facilities. There was a corresponding 14 per cent improvement for power facilities at schools."

 

[desan]

اس بات کا کوئی جواب نہیں دیتا کہ لاہور کی آبادی پشاور سے سات گنا زیادہ ہے لیکن اسکی میٹرو پر سوا لاکھ سواریاں روزانہ سفر کرتی ہے تو پھر پشاور میٹرو کے دو نمبر روٹ پر پانچ لاکھ کیسے سفر کریں گے یاد رہے ایک نمبر روٹ وہ تھا جس کیلئے ریلوے نے زمین نہیں دی

Implying inflated figures in Peshawer or deflated ones in Lahore???

 

[Champion 01]

Rajarawal, mhafeez, Raiwind kay hospital kay samnay road per aik khatoon nay aik bachi ko janam dia hey, PLEASE iss per baat karo, choro sub dhanda, yaar PAKISTANIYOON kay barey mein bhi socho, jo becharay iss tarah ki zindgi guzar rahey hein, Yaar yeh log London nahi jaa saktay, inn ko 3 waqt ki roti naseeb nahi hey, yaar apnay Leaders say kaho, idhar bhi koi dhehaan dein, aap bhi PAKISTANI ho na yaar, kuch ALLAH ka khouf khao..

 

[RajaRawal111]

Peshawar ridership figure is higher because it is a combination of bus and train system. Talking to a wall yields better responses than you.

Absolutely --- agree with you as talking to the walls gives you echo of what you want to hear. The poor guy Hafeez was asking where the riders will come from in your Manhattan peshawar by looking at the population of Lahore and your Manhattan .

 

[Champion 01]

Absolutely --- agree with you as talking to the walls gives you echo of what you want to hear. The poor guy Hafeez was asking where the riders will come from in your Manhattan peshawar by looking at the population of Lahore and your Manhattan .

Rajarawal, mhafeez, Raiwind kay hospital kay samnay road per aik khatoon nay aik bachi ko janam dia hey, PLEASE iss per baat karo, choro sub dhanda, yaar PAKISTANIYOON kay barey mein bhi socho, jo becharay iss tarah ki zindgi guzar rahey hein, Yaar yeh log London nahi jaa saktay, inn ko 3 waqt ki roti naseeb nahi hey, yaar apnay Leaders say kaho, idhar bhi koi dhehaan dein, aap bhi PAKISTANI ho na yaar, kuch ALLAH ka khouf khao..

 

[Saqi99]

Absolutely --- agree with you as talking to the walls gives you echo of what you want to hear. The poor guy Hafeez was asking where the riders will come from in your Manhattan peshawar by looking at the population of Lahore and your Manhattan .

You retard when you make a just 25 km strip without feeder routes then ridership would be restricted whether city is highly populated or not. Patwari Hafeez gave the figure when Lahore Metro was started. Punjab govt added 200 feeder buses to the service this year which increased the ridership which is not at the moment 100,00. On the other haand BRT has around 450 buses and then 8 feeder route covers most of the city.

 

[RajaRawal111]

جناب جب اتر گئی نا تو سوچنا کہ ٢٠ لاکھ ساری آبادی نہیں پشاور کی
چوتھا حصہ تم نے ساری آبادی کا روز بس پر چڑھا دینا ہے - کبھی اپنا دماغ بھی استعمال کر لیا کرو یار

You retard when you make a just 25 km strip without feeder routes then ridership would be restricted whether city is highly populated or not. Patwari Hafeez gave the figure when Lahore Metro was started. Punjab govt added 200 feeder buses to the service this year which increased the ridership which is not at the moment 100,00. On the other haand BRT has around 450 buses and then 8 feeder route covers most of the city.

 

[Saqi99]

جناب جب اتر گئی نا تو سوچنا کہ ٢٠ لاکھ ساری آبادی نہیں پشاور کی
چوتھا حصہ تم نے ساری آبادی کا روز بس پر چڑھا دینا ہے - کبھی اپنا دماغ بھی استعمال کر لیا کرو یار

So you think no one travel to Peshawar from outskirts for bushiness and other purposes on daily bases keeping in view its provincial capital? Using city population and need for transportation is not that correct parameter for any transport solution.

Now lets take example Multan Metro the daily ridership for 18km strip without feeder system is almost 100,000. Lets add 2 more routes with similar number of buses what will be the combine ridership? Keeping in view in any city has multiple routes where demand is high, number easily can go above 200,000.
Peshawar has additional 8 routes with 400+ buses. If each bus can have 10 to 12 returned journey than it can have on average 1000+ passengers. I can see figure easily crossing 400,000 mark.
Again the number that showed up in report base on real statistics on ground. I am sure ADB did not approve it without evaluating it.

In the end BRT Peshawar is the comprehensive sustainable solution of transport problem of the city which does not focus on one main 20 km strip.

 

[mhafeez]

see how little knowledge is dangerous ?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1111747/panama-leaks-projects-k-p-hit-snag-centre-delays-funds/


Federal Govt has stopped the development funds of KP, they did 40% last year and again this year.

Imran Khan turn down Nawaz sharif offer of Metro Bus in KPK
[video] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzOeR0Gc5pA[/video]

 

[mhafeez]

the reason why lahore has 125k riders is because pmln pays these riders over 40rs per ticket on a single track bus service. The break even price for a ticket is over 60rs while the passenger is charged just rs 20. If passengers are charged the true cost of the ride, the number of riders will come down to 25k revealing the poor planning, mismanagement and lack of vision of paindo punjabi nation.

The peshawar rapid bus service has 5 tracks and dozens of routes reaching every corner of the city. It has more buses and more stops and thus make it easier for passengers to reach any major spot in peshawar from anywhere in the city. This is why the ridership will be close to 500k. The feasibility has been prepared by ADB so I trust their judgement and expertise. If feasibility of peshawar bus service was done by punjab govt then your question would be pertinent.

Another example of failed metro project is multan metro which has poor ridership despite heavy subsidy. Now punjab govt started banning wagon companies of multan to force people to use multan metro buses.

Islamabad metro project also failed earlier despite heavy subsidy and funding by federal govt.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1247577

This is what happens when punjabi is given leadership position. At most punjabis should get class IV jobs because they would cause minimum damage/wastage at that level.

Peshawer has a population of 1.9 million and projected ridership is 40% of total population. Half of total population are women who rarely travel in Peshawar. 30% of male population is under 15 years of age. 15% are retired or old men with the age of 70+ years. A large portion of population works in nearby shops who rarely use public transport. 40% of total population will travel daily by these buses.

 

[mhafeez]

Please read your post. Its clearly saying from loan documents. Do we have such agreement for any Punjab projects which is available to public? Alhamdu Lillah all records related to mega projects were burnt.

Go and read this till your satisfaction.

http://pma.punjab.gov.pk/system/files/pcI.pdf

can you provide same kind of document for BRT Peshawar?

 

[mhafeez]

Your figure of 100,00 is without adding the feeder routes. Lahore feeder routes were added just recently I guess start of this year. Whole five years Lahore Metro run without any feeder routes which tells alot about Showbaz that how serious was in solving city transport problem and how comprehensive was study.

To me when he got hand of the BRT Peshawar he realized to add it. BTW Lahore feeder routes add additional 200,000 riders on top of 100,000 riders of main 25km strip.

Feeder routs were there in PC1 of Lahore Metro in 2012.

 

[mhafeez]

Rajarawal, mhafeez, Raiwind kay hospital kay samnay road per aik khatoon nay aik bachi ko janam dia hey, PLEASE iss per baat karo, choro sub dhanda, yaar PAKISTANIYOON kay barey mein bhi socho, jo becharay iss tarah ki zindgi guzar rahey hein, Yaar yeh log London nahi jaa saktay, inn ko 3 waqt ki roti naseeb nahi hey, yaar apnay Leaders say kaho, idhar bhi koi dhehaan dein, aap bhi PAKISTANI ho na yaar, kuch ALLAH ka khouf khao..

رائیونڈ والا واقعہ افسوسناک ہے ، اسکے زمہ دار جو بھی ہونگے انہیں سزا ضرور ملے گی

 

[Shahid Abassi]

Orange line Chinese loan is on 6% + charges. Maturity 15 years.

 

[Will_Bite]

Absolutely --- agree with you as talking to the walls gives you echo of what you want to hear. The poor guy Hafeez was asking where the riders will come from in your Manhattan peshawar by looking at the population of Lahore and your Manhattan .

Give patwari a few minutes, and he would start debating whether 2+2 is actually 4.

Lahore metro runs on a single highway....ferozpur.....and doesnt touch the other hotspots like jail road, mall, or multan rd..It is natural for their ridership to be on the low end.
Peshawar's BRT is designed to cover high population areas...and yes, as drilled thousands of times before, Peshawar is home to the largest number of refugee camps and refugees from afghanistan, who travel to Peshwar daily for work.

Are the numbers 100% accurate? no. Are they close. yes. Will they ever make sense to a patwari? no

 

[Yahooo]

سناؤ بھیی بغرتوں
ہو گیۓ سارے سکول اور ہسپتال ٹھیک
مل گیا سارے کے پی کو صاف پانی
دوسروں پر تو برا بھونکتے تھے

 

[Saqi99]

Feeder routs were there in PC1 of Lahore Metro in 2012.

And delaying it for more than 5 years tell alot about importance of showbazi and solving the city problem.