Keeping lights off: Undocumented Afghans in Pakistan go into hiding

asif86

MPA (400+ posts)
After living in Pakistan for years, thousands of Afghans have gone underground to evade deportation as ordered by the government for undocumented foreigners, fearing persecution under a Taliban administration in their homeland, rights activists say.

"The gate is locked from the outside... we are locked inside, we can't come out, we can't turn on our lights, we can't even talk loudly," said a 23-year-old Afghan woman, speaking online from a shelter where she said dozens of others had holed up until earlier this week before moving on to a new hideout.

Local supporters put a lock on the gate so neighbours believe the house is unoccupied, said other inmates.

The woman, who is from the Afghan capital Kabul, is one of thousands believed by rights activists to be in hiding in Pakistan to avoid deportation under a government push for undocumented migrants to leave the country.

That includes over one million Afghans, many of whom the government says have been involved in militant attacks and crime.

Authorities began rounding up operations across the country after a deadline for voluntary exits expired on November 1.

Sijal Shafiq, 30, a Karachi-based human rights activist who helped vulnerable Afghans find shelter before Pakistan's new expulsion policy, is one of several petitioners asking the Supreme Court to halt the deportation programme.

"I know several women, girls, who say they would rather die than return under the Taliban," Shafiq says, adding that they all had professional dreams and ambitions which would be impossible to realise in Afghanistan, where women are forbidden from most jobs and can travel only with a male escort.

There was no immediate comment from a spokesperson of the Taliban-run administration on whether those returning would be screened or prosecuted under their laws. Pakistan's foreign and interior ministries also did not respond to requests for comment about exempting at-risk individuals from deportation.

Pakistan has so far brushed off calls from the United Nations, rights groups and Western embassies to reconsider its expulsion plan or to identify and protect Afghans who face the risk of persecution at home.

Western embassies, including the United States, have also provided Pakistani authorities lists of Afghans being processed for possible migration abroad, and asked that they be exempt from expulsion, but the numbers are small compared to the people at risk.

'Worse than prison'
Reuters spoke to a dozen undocumented migrants trying to stay under the radar of the nationwide sweep. Because of their situation, they declined to be identified or asked that their full names not be used.

"This is worse than prison," said a 22-year-old Afghan man who said he ensured the lights remained off at night.

Some locals who are helping the Afghans arrange for food and water to be secretly smuggled into the shelter under the cover of night.

Afghan singer Wafa, 28, fears her days of refuge in Pakistan — where she moved shortly after the Taliban takeover over two years ago — are coming to an end because her visa has expired.

Speaking from a relative's home in Islamabad, she said she hoped that she could either get asylum in France or Canada, or make Pakistan her home, as her profession of singing Pashto songs — which she started 11 years ago — is no longer acceptable in Afghanistan, where the Taliban have banned public music performances.

But she has yet to hear back, and applying for a visa extension remains unaffordable for her family. In the meantime, she does not leave the house to avoid widespread snap checks by Pakistani police.

"I am a singer... I know what will happen to me when I'm back," Wafa said.

Saleh Zada, a 32-year-old singer in Karachi, said he moved from Afghanistan a year ago.

"I was singing in my village for friends and relatives; we had lots of parties, singing parties," Saleh Zada said, speaking at a crowded low-income neighbourhood apartment belonging to his relatives. He showed Reuters video clips of him playing the harmonium and rubab, a string instrument, some of which were on social media.

"My family advised me to leave Afghanistan, I feared the Taliban," he says, adding that the fear of being picked up by Pakistani police, because he does not have a valid visa, has kept him indoors for days.

"Life is difficult here (in Pakistan), but I have to save my life."


 
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Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
As Rambo said

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3rd_Umpire

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


یہ بات صحیح ہے،، پاکستانوں کے ذہنوں میں بھی کالے بُنڈ والے "کمپنی" کے لوگوں نے بھارت کے حوالے سے غلط باتیں فیڈ کی ہیں،، کہ بھارت پاکستان کا جانی دشمن ہے، مقصد
پاکستانی سویلئین حکومتوں سے دفاعی بجٹ کے نام پر پیسے بٹورنا،،اور کالے بُنڈ والے حرامزادے چوری چھپپے ھندوؤں کو جنگ نہ لڑنے کے لئے منّت ترلے کرتے رہتے ہیں ۔ ۔ ۔
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Citzen X itna ghussa axha nahi, hm nay fauj say bhaag kr afganistan hi jana ha akhir kaaar, na hamain US nay VISA daina ha na kisi aur nay................
Maybe you, so you can keep trying to be nice to these snakes in the hope they might take you in when you need. God forbid that day ever comes, but you'll be surprised at how fast they will shut down the borders when the tables are turned.
 

KhanWarrior

MPA (400+ posts)
Maybe you, so you can keep trying to be nice to these snakes in the hope they might take you in when you need. God forbid that day ever comes, but you'll be surprised at how fast they will shut down the borders when the tables are turned.
No no, I am nice to them because i think that as immigrants they have faced hardships, we should be kind as a Muslim brother.

When that day comes whether border is closed or open, I will smuggle into Afghanistan through different routes, my relatives are ancient masters in the art of smuggling, even ISI people take their help to do their most difficult missions for various things 😛🤯
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
I am nice to them because i think that as immigrants they have faced hardships
Yeh BC kounsay immigrants hain jo 40 saal se hamaray sar pe bhaitay huway hain?

I will smuggle into Afghanistan through different routes, my relatives are ancient masters in the art of smuggling.
Nothing to be proud of mate and part of the problem, this cross border smuggling has costed Pakistan probably trillions of dollars in the past 60 to 70 years
 

KhanWarrior

MPA (400+ posts)
Yeh BC kounsay immigrants hain jo 40 saal se hamaray sar pe bhaitay huway hain?

😞 OK g pakistanis ki bari meharbani ab wo ja rhay hain baat khtm ...........

Nothing to be proud of mate and part of the problem, this cross border smuggling has costed Pakistan probably trillions of dollars in the past 60 to 70 years

Trillion Dollars ko kia krna ha bahi, jaan bachani ha......... 😛
 
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asif86

MPA (400+ posts)
When that day comes whether border is closed or open, I will smuggle into Afghanistan through different routes, my relatives are ancient masters in the art of smuggling, even ISI people take their help to do their most difficult missions for various things 😛🤯
Even if you smuggle into afghanistan the question is will you be accepted and respected by afghans in their land.As far as i know most afghanis hate pakistanis.
 

KhanWarrior

MPA (400+ posts)
Even if you smuggle into afghanistan the question is will you be accepted and respected by afghans in their land.As far as i know most afghanis hate pakistanis.
Yes they will, when i shall be there Core commander 😛 🤣 , I will go there to take command of the afghan taliban's unit PK007 tactical brigade . I can go to any other country if they will allow me to live, no special choice of Afghanistan for me, Malaysia is best in my view.
 
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Islamabadiya

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
one does feel for them as well, but they should have sorted their papers by now, especially artists/women etc

They all will be allowed back in once they go back to Afg and get the right papers for them
 

Noworriesbehappy

Councller (250+ posts)
Its really sad for those kids who were born in Pakistan and have never been to Afghanistan, Pakistan is not great but i guess compared to Afghanistan, there is some system, for someone, who was born in Pakistan, they should be given citizenship of Pakistan.

It also shows and gives a bit of hope to many of us, that things could be a lot worse.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Its really sad for those kids who were born in Pakistan and have never been to Afghanistan, Pakistan is not great but i guess compared to Afghanistan, there is some system, for someone, who was born in Pakistan, they should be given citizenship of Pakistan.

It also shows and gives a bit of hope to many of us, that things could be a lot worse.
Let it also be clear only those Afgahnis that have absolutely no documentation are being sent back, those that have refugee cards and there is one other some afghan card or something they are not being sent back. So if you stayed in the country for decades and didn't even bother to register yourself and your family in all this time, its all on you. Working, doing all their business and trade here in Pakistan and then smuggling all the money back to Shitholeistan. Muft ki maujain lagi hui thi.

Mera buss chalay toh I would kick each and every one of them out, refugee card or not


 

back to the future

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes they will, when i shall be there Core commander 😛 🤣 , I will go there to take command of the afghan taliban's unit PK007 tactical brigade . I can go to any other country if they will allow me to live, no special choice of Afghanistan for me, Malaysia is best in my view.
Just read what afghanis had done to migrants from sub continent in reshmi rumal tehrik.
 

Noworriesbehappy

Councller (250+ posts)
Let it also be clear only those Afgahnis that have absolutely no documentation are being sent back, those that have refugee cards and there is one other some afghan card or something they are not being sent back. So if you stayed in the country for decades and didn't even bother to register yourself and your family in all this time, its all on you. Working, doing all their business and trade here in Pakistan and then smuggling all the money back to Shitholeistan. Muft ki maujain lagi hui thi.

Mera buss chalay toh I would kick each and every one of them out, refugee card or not


If that rule is applied in the EU and America etc, given that they are Christian a lot of Pakistani will be coming back home.

You can't generalize about everybody just because of minorities. How many suicide bomb blasts afghanis have done similar to 7/7 in London and Uk?? i don't think any.

Where Pakistanis are suffering because of bad policies/greed of Army Generals, similarly, ordinary Afghanis have been victim of world powers great games/War where Pakistanis (or more like Army Generals) received a lot of dollars. Thats why i have smypthy for ordinary afghanis children who were born in Pakistan and have no connection with Afghanistan.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
a lot of Pakistani will be coming back home.
I'm all for it, deport the lot of them back to Pakistan. Its because of these illegals now legit travelers have so much difficulty getting visas and our Passport is 3rd from the last for this very reason. .
You can't generalize about everybody just because of minorities. How many suicide bomb blasts afghanis have done similar to 7/7 in London and Uk?? i don't think any.
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Where Pakistanis are suffering because of bad policies/greed of Army Generals, similarly, ordinary Afghanis have been victim of world powers great games/War where Pakistanis (or more like Army Generals) received a lot of dollars.
Boo Hoo Blah blah
Thats why i have smypthy for ordinary afghanis children who were born in Pakistan and have no connection with Afghanistan.
Pakistan does not have the law of Jus Solis and their parents fault for not getting documentation for them.
No one without papers is being deported