عؔلی خان
MPA (400+ posts)
You said:
Let’s be precise.
You keep dodging the actual Qur’an
Here’s what the Qur’an says:
You haven’t answered a single one of these.
You keep demanding a “clear verse.” I’ve now given you at least five.
Your response?
Deflect with Hadith preservation history — not Qur’anic refutation.
Your claim: “Hadith are man-made and full of contradictions.”
Then show me:
You said,
False.
You claim to obey the Qur’an. But when the Qur’an tells you:
So let me ask you this:
"How does obeying God and His Messenger mean we must follow man-made Hadith..."
Let’s be precise.
You keep dodging the actual Qur’an
Here’s what the Qur’an says:
- “Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...” (4:59)
- “Take what the Messenger gives you and abstain from what he forbids.” (59:7)
- “We sent down the Book to you so that you may explain to people what was revealed...” (16:44)
- “He teaches them the Book and the Wisdom...” (2:151, 62:2)
- “Whoever opposes the Messenger after guidance has been made clear… We will leave him to what he has chosen.” (4:115)
You haven’t answered a single one of these.
You keep demanding a “clear verse.” I’ve now given you at least five.
Your response?
Deflect with Hadith preservation history — not Qur’anic refutation.
You’re Avoiding the Qur’an Because It Doesn’t Support You
Your claim: “Hadith are man-made and full of contradictions.”
Then show me:
- Name three authentic (Sahih) Hadith with proven isnad that contradict the Qur’an.
- Name three that are “insults” — and prove they’re fabricated using hadith methodology.
You won’t — because you’re not interested in filtering authentic from weak Hadith.
You’re throwing out the entire Sunnah, which the Qur’an commands us to obey.
That’s like rejecting math because some people got wrong answers once.
You’re throwing out the entire Sunnah, which the Qur’an commands us to obey.
That’s like rejecting math because some people got wrong answers once.
You said,
“Hadith was written 200 years later”
False.
- Hadith were memorized, taught, and written during the Prophet’s time.
- The Sahifah of Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As is one of many early written collections.
- Imam Malik’s Muwatta was compiled in the 100s AH, less than a century after the Prophet’s passing.
- The formal compilations (like Bukhari, Muslim) came after generations of transmission and vetting.
If writing date = invalidity, then the Qur’an itself would be questionable — because the compiled mushaf was finalized under Uthman (RA), not in the Prophet’s lifetime.
Yet you accept it.
Why? Because of chain-based transmission — the same science used in Hadith.
You can’t have it both ways.
---Yet you accept it.
Why? Because of chain-based transmission — the same science used in Hadith.
You can’t have it both ways.
You claim to obey the Qur’an. But when the Qur’an tells you:
- Obey the Messenger
- Follow his judgment
- Take what he gives
- Avoid what he forbids
So let me ask you this:
- If not through Hadith and Sunnah — how do we obey the Prophet?
- How do we “take what he gives” if we’re not allowed to preserve what he gave?
You can’t answer, because your entire model collapses the moment Prophetic guidance is treated as meaningful.
You don’t have a Qur’anic Islam.
You have a Messengerless Qur’an — and that’s a contradiction of the very Book you claim to follow.
You don’t have a Qur’anic Islam.
You have a Messengerless Qur’an — and that’s a contradiction of the very Book you claim to follow.