Mushrik Hindus & Mushrik Muslims [common terms]

[Sadia Hashmi]

 

[ASQR1]

No, there are three monotheistic Religions on earth. rest are cults, cults are beliefs that are changed by various people as they use magic, tricks and put in their need of recognition. And not that of All mighty.

 

[ASQR1]

The vedas or knowledge are revelations from the supreme god made to rishis and seers of ancient India. The vedas are called srutis( that which is heard) and smritis (memories) because they are revelations. The vedas do not talk only about religion but cover most aspects of human existence. The vedas do not propagate idol worship at all. The vedas are called "apaurusheya", meaning that which is not created by any human being.

[h=1]"The religion of Vedas knows no idols."- German philosopher/author Max Muller[/h]
The four Vedas – Rig, Sama, Yajur, and Atharva – are not the work of any single author. In ancient India, there were many rishis (sages) living simple, contemplative lives in hermitages high in the Himalayas and along the banks of sacred rivers. The rishis had names like Angiras, Bhrigu, Yajnavalkya, and Gargi (Gargi was a woman). They sought to understand the fundamental truths of life – Why are we born? How did the world come into existence? How can we live a good life? Because of their intense inquiry and deep meditation, they received God’s blessings and were able to discover the answers to their profound questions.

God revealed these sacred truths to the ancient sages, and the sages composed hymns and texts in the Sanskrit language to express these truths. Their hymns and texts were then passed on from generation to generation, from teacher to student, by chanting them aloud; they were not yet written down. Eventually, the great rishi, Vyasa, compiled all of their hymns and texts into four collections which are now known as the Vedas
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According to your own post, these Rishis did not condone idol worshiping, and now idol worshipping is the only worship Hindus practice, so I t looks from what you have posted, that Rishis told about about no idol worshiping, but today's Hindus have totally changed it and do not follow those Vedas any more, for that God has created hellfire for those who twist his massage and indulge in idol worshiping.

And that is why God sent many other prophets and finally sent prophet Muhammed S.A.A.S. and told human kind that by those great prophet I have completed you Religion for you to follow. God has also promised that previous scripture have been changed buy some mischievous people to suit their plans, but he said that this scripture will be preserved with my protection.

What you have written is another proof of Hinduism has converged to anti God practices, and therefore a punishment awaits all those who by deliberate acts have corrupted Vedas.

 

[Khuram Shehzad Jafri]

اپنے ذهن کی خباثت کو دوسروں پر مت ملو

مزار پر جانے والے سب یہ کام نہیں کرتے
ان چند لوگوں کی وجہ سے سب پر تنقید جائز نہیں


اپ کا اپنا پوانٹ اف ویو ہے ، وہابی برانڈ اف اسلام کو پاکستان سے دور رکھیں
کوئی مسلمان ایسا سوچ بھی نہیں سکتا کے وہ سجدہ کرے سواے الله پاک کے کسی اور کو

جو یہ کرتے ہیں وہ تعلیم کی کمی کی وجہ سے ہے ، اپ کا کام ہے ان میں شعور پیدا کریں
ان کو ایسے غیر مسلم کہیں گے تو وہ اپ کو بھی اسی طرح ٹریٹ کریں گے جیسے اہل سنّت والجماعت والے کرتے ہیں
اور میں اہل سنّت والجماعت اصلی والی کی بات کر رہا ہوں
سعودی فنڈڈ دشتگرد سپاہ صحابہ کی نہیں

 

[chandbibi]

The Vedas were handed down by chanting of scared hymns. The mantras which the vedas have given us create a certain frequency and have the power to uplift and heal. Punishment etc. is not what we worry about at the hands of God. God doesn't punish anybody. It is we who choose our next life in accordance with our past karma. The Karma theory is very simple. keep your karma clean in this life-time so you don't need to pay back in the next. We believe the soul has the power to re-incarnate and fulfill its obligations or clear the past debts or karma in the next one. When a soul reaches a level of spiritual elevation it gets moksha (salvation) which then puts an end to the cycle of birth and re-birth. Therefore a hindu's spiritual goal is to attain moksha. Hindus believe in sagun and nirgun worship both. This is best expressed given below.

For Hindus God, as is, is beyond any attributes of form, color, shapes ... That is, God does not have any specific form or name. In this state God is referred to as nirguNa brahman (attributeless god). However God takes forms as perceived by humans and this perceived form is called saguNa brahman (god with (good) attributes). These forms could range from calm to fierce to yogic (1). Each form has its significance. For example when one is depressed and sees the form of God Strong and Powerful, the seeker feels the moral boost that God would definitely be the support for the right thing. Similarly when in an auspicious ceremony would like the God to be the calm provider of boons. In a spiritually elevated state, the choice would be the yogic form of God. The forms provide a basis for the Hindu worshipper to easily pursue the otherwise incomprehensible Supreme. So Hinduism supports both form as well as formless worship of the God. Whether one worships in saguNa or nirguNa way, it is ultimately the same God.

This philosophy given above is one of the main reasons why you have this mushrik issue.
Hindu scriptures are democratic and do not preach sagun or nirgun bhatki (worship). It is left to the seeker to adopt any method which suits them. The knowledge of the vedas is not so superficial as to get corrupted by the seekers. Does the holy Quran get corrupted because of mushrik muslims? The divine revelations remain divine no matter what the path its followers take.
The Hindu faith is the oldest existing faith in the world. It seeks no approval from anybody, nor does it look for followers. It does not call any faith bad nor calls anybody kafir or mushrik. It has nothing to prove to anybody.

According to your own post, these Rishis did not condone idol worshiping, and now idol worshipping is the only worship Hindus practice, so I t looks from what you have posted, that Rishis told about about no idol worshiping, but today's Hindus have totally changed it and do not follow those Vedas any more, for that God has created hellfire for those who twist his massage and indulge in idol worshiping.

And that is why God sent many other prophets and finally sent prophet Muhammed S.A.A.S. and told human kind that by those great prophet I have completed you Religion for you to follow. God has also promised that previous scripture have been changed buy some mischievous people to suit their plans, but he said that this scripture will be preserved with my protection.

What you have written is another proof of Hinduism has converged to anti God practices, and therefore a punishment awaits all those who by deliberate acts have corrupted Vedas.

 

[ASQR1]

The Vedas were handed down by chanting of scared hymns. The mantras which the vedas have given us create a certain frequency and have the power to uplift and heal. Punishment etc. is not what we worry about at the hands of God. God doesn't punish anybody. It is we who choose our next life in accordance with our past karma. The Karma theory is very simple. keep your karma clean in this life-time so you don't need to pay back in the next. We believe the soul has the power to re-incarnate and fulfill its obligations or clear the past debts or karma in the next one. When a soul reaches a level of spiritual elevation it gets moksha (salvation) which then puts an end to the cycle of birth and re-birth. Therefore a hindu's spiritual goal is to attain moksha. Hindus believe in sagun and nirgun worship both. This is best expressed given below.

For Hindus God, as is, is beyond any attributes of form, color, shapes ... That is, God does not have any specific form or name. In this state God is referred to as nirguNa brahman (attributeless god). However God takes forms as perceived by humans and this perceived form is called saguNa brahman (god with (good) attributes). These forms could range from calm to fierce to yogic (1). Each form has its significance. For example when one is depressed and sees the form of God Strong and Powerful, the seeker feels the moral boost that God would definitely be the support for the right thing. Similarly when in an auspicious ceremony would like the God to be the calm provider of boons. In a spiritually elevated state, the choice would be the yogic form of God. The forms provide a basis for the Hindu worshipper to easily pursue the otherwise incomprehensible Supreme. So Hinduism supports both form as well as formless worship of the God. Whether one worships in saguNa or nirguNa way, it is ultimately the same God.

This philosophy given above is one of the main reasons why you have this mushrik issue.
Hindu scriptures are democratic and do not preach sagun or nirgun bhatki (worship). It is left to the seeker to adopt any method which suits them. The knowledge of the vedas is not so superficial as to get corrupted by the seekers. Does the holy Quran get corrupted because of mushrik muslims? The divine revelations remain divine no matter what the path its followers take.
The Hindu faith is the oldest existing faith in the world. It seeks no approval from anybody, nor does it look for followers. It does not call any faith bad nor calls anybody kafir or mushrik. It has nothing to prove to anybody.

There are so many condradiction in your posts about your prectices and those preachings.

1. if god has not shape than how come your Ram was born in eyudhia and very strange that he was born, how can a God be born on earth.

2. Not only hiduism but many other beliefs believed in reincarnation, that has been proved to not right,a soul when born has certain characteristics awarded by All-mighty and when it dies it bears the burden or fruits of its actions in life, if your repeated lives given to a soul were true than there is no further punishment or rewards to the soul. it does not male sense. soul must be accountable or reward-able according its actions when living in this World. why would God want a soul to go through many lives if the ultimate goal is to reward or punish it, the one chance is the perfect way to tell the living souls that there is only one chance so behave yourself, follow Gods orders as he has set through prophet Mohammed S.A.A.S.

God is never fierce, but mercy full, forgiving but he will punish those who deliberately keep antagonizing and doing wrongs. He the al-mighty has sent his final massage and not following will land one in trouble, though God will forgive most except those who make other things equal to him, such as Idols, picture, and mock him as they ask him to do it their way and not the right way, when they do not get what they ask for,may it be a request things God forbade than they try to create wrong impressions about God. in doing so they cannot harm any one but themselves and they will have to bear the consequences.

One do not have to see God aspower full only when one is depressed, let me give you the Names of Allah S,W,T, telling us what he is.

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[chandbibi]

There are no contradictions. It is quite clear to a hindu what his or her goal is. The goal is important, not the path followed to reach it.

In Hinduism we have the concept of Avatar which is the deliberate descent of the Supreme Being on earth in the form of a Human being. Why is it so surprising to you? Do you doubt the capacity of god to descend on earth in any form? Lord Ram is considered an Avatar meaning the supreme god descended on earth incarnate as Ram.

On reincarnation -That is not what our texts tell us. The belief in karma is the corner-stone of the Hindu religion. We don't insist that anybody else believe in it. We believe it to be true. Everything in religion does not make sense. However it doesn't mean it is nonsense either.

Even you are promised the sighting of your god in the after-life. Do you think this god will grudge others their sighting of God?
It is narrated in al-Bukhari and Muslim from Jareer Bin Abdullah al-Bajali that he said: "We were with the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) on a full moon night. He looked at the moon and said, 'You will certainly see your Lord as you see this moon, and there will be no trouble in seeing Him'


Just like you have the many names of Allah, we have the Vishnu Sahasranam , the 1000 names of Vishnu.

There are so many condradiction in your posts about your prectices and those preachings.

1. if god has not shape than how come your Ram was born in eyudhia and very strange that he was born, how can a God be born on earth.

2. Not only hiduism but many other beliefs believed in reincarnation, that has been proved to not right,a soul when born has certain characteristics awarded by All-mighty and when it dies it bears the burden or fruits of its actions in life, if your repeated lives given to a soul were true than there is no further punishment or rewards to the soul. it does not male sense. soul must be accountable or reward-able according its actions when living in this World. why would God want a soul to go through many lives if the ultimate goal is to reward or punish it, the one chance is the perfect way to tell the living souls that there is only one chance so behave yourself, follow Gods orders as he has set through prophet Mohammed S.A.A.S.

God is never fierce, but mercy full, forgiving but he will punish those who deliberately keep antagonizing and doing wrongs. He the al-mighty has sent his final massage and not following will land one in trouble, though God will forgive most except those who make other things equal to him, such as Idols, picture, and mock him as they ask him to do it their way and not the right way, when they do not get what they ask for,may it be a request things God forbade than they try to create wrong impressions about God. in doing so they cannot harm any one but themselves and they will have to bear the consequences.

One do not have to see God aspower full only when one is depressed, let me give you the Names of Allah S,W,T, telling us what he is.

3.

 

[ASQR1]

There are no contradictions. It is quite clear to a hindu what his or her goal is. The goal is important, not the path followed to reach it.

In Hinduism we have the concept of Avatar which is the deliberate descent of the Supreme Being on earth in the form of a Human being. Why is it so surprising to you? Do you doubt the capacity of god to descend on earth in any form? Lord Ram is considered an Avatar meaning the supreme god descended on earth incarnate as Ram.

On reincarnation -That is not what our texts tell us. The belief in karma is the corner-stone of the Hindu religion. We don't insist that anybody else believe in it. We believe it to be true. Everything in religion does not make sense. However it doesn't mean it is nonsense either.

Even you are promised the sighting of your god in the after-life. Do you think this god will grudge others their sighting of God?
It is narrated in al-Bukhari and Muslim from Jareer Bin Abdullah al-Bajali that he said: "We were with the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) on a full moon night. He looked at the moon and said, 'You will certainly see your Lord as you see this moon, and there will be no trouble in seeing Him'


Just like you have the many names of Allah, we have the Vishnu Sahasranam , the 1000 names of Vishnu.

When our prophet said look at the moon and you will see Allah meaning work and wonders of Allah. S.W.T. But you quote in such a way as if Muslims prophet asked to worship moon, nauz o billa.

Those names of all mighty define his powers, his mercies and his attributes, no one will have or had anything close to his attributes. But than those who oppose are living darkness and that is what they prefer.

 

[chandbibi]

This is your imagination. Why do you always read something else in to the expression. I have simply said you are also promised a sighting in the after-life. Where does it say that you are asked to worship moon? And When did i say that?
Don't be shackled by the limits of your imagination. There is a lot more out there and what we know is the tip of the iceberg.

When our prophet said look at the moon and you will see Allah meaning work and wonders of Allah. S.W.T. But you quote in such a way as if Muslims prophet asked to worship moon, nauz o billa.

Those names of all mighty define his powers, his mercies and his attributes, no one will have or had anything close to his attributes. But than those who oppose are living darkness and that is what they prefer.

 

[ASQR1]

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KdNLZboiMus[/video]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gr54pYc3Ak

You should watch this and than learn the truth. I pray that May Allah S.W. T. Remove the invisible walls erected arround you refraining you from seeing the truth. Ameen.