NUSRAT MIRZA MAHAJREEN 1947 & SWAT MAHAJREEN...............

PAKI-MEHBOOB

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
mqm jo bazahir to swat ka mahajreen ki bhot help ka rahi hai magre un ko sindh anay pe pobandi laga rahi hai
ager humein pata hota to karachi ka urdu speaking ko hum kabhi karachi na anay detay jo aaj humera shehr pe qabza kar baita hai
aaj aik pakistani ko apna shehr karachi main nahi jana dia ja raha 2y to humera senior politiciene ko karahi mai nahi anay dia gay imran bhai ko aaj altaf keh rah ka hum swat ka logoo ki bhot help kar rahay hai magre aik pathan ke saath jo kuch karachi mai ho raha hai koi nahi janta
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
Aik or jhoota propaganda against MQM. Please Provide the proof if MQM ever denied the entry of IDP's in Sindh or Karachi. We need a solid official proof, not the table stories and assumptions or hanky panky from the media or Imran Khan etc. We will be waiting for the proof, otherwise jhooton per.............
 

PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
These are the views of Ayaz Amir based only on hypothetical anlysis. We need a solid and official proof that MQM has denied the entry of IDPs in Karachi or Sindh.
Now again, IDPs ko bahana bana ker humein dobara ahsaas dilaya ja raha hai ke hum sons of the soil nahi hein. Hum Muhajirin hein, hum Indian uprooted hein. Agar yehi baat hum kahein ge tou Ghaddar kehlaey ge, lakin jab sara Punjab yeh keh raha hai tou woh muhibbe watan hoga.
Khuda ke liye bund karo yeh nafraton ki khabees siasat. Pakistan se muhabbat kertey ho tou amal se sabit karo, BHASHAN BAAZI nahi chale gi.
80% muhajirin Allah ko piyare ho gaey hein, hum tou sirf oon ki aulad hein , hum pakistan mein peda huey hein pakistani hein , maan lo hamein pakistani, Allah ke naam per apeal kertey hein.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hiflyer1961 said:
The Enemy is UsAyaz Amir (PAKISTAN DIARY)

29 May 2009 Print E-mail
And this enemy comes most visibly in the form of sloppy thinking--- thinking either plain misguided or consciously perverse.
Take the latest offering from those great self-appointed champions of secular thinking, our friends in the MQM, who seldom fail to amaze but who on this occasion have outdone themselves by declaring that the displaced people of Swat and Buner had best stick to the Frontier province and on no account make their way to Karachi and Sindh. For sheer insensitivity this stance, trumpeted as if it was the last stance of reason, takes the prize.
They are for the military operation in Swat but they are not for sharing the consequences of that operation.
Amazing, is it not, that the first of our Mohajirs, uprooted from their Indian homes by the holocaust of Partition, should now be singing such a tune, so altogether bereft of sympathy, and even common understanding, for the displaced of a new generation? How times change and how sympathies and prejudices take on a new colouring.
Pakistani secularism comes in strange forms indeed. Its leading advocates are not content to express their opinion through the power of words alone. Some ingrained sense of fear or insecurity impels them to consider an opinion not an opinion unless it is backed up by street violence and unless it brings life in Karachi to a halt.
Like the lady in Hamlet who protested too much, our friends in Karachi are always protesting too much.
A siege mentality is an affair of the mind. You can live in the most secure of fortresses and yet feel besieged. You can rule Karachi and Hyderabad and yet? feel insecure.
Talebanism has nothing to do with a particular religion.
It too is an affair of the mind. In the United States it becomes the Ku Klux Klan, in Europe fascism, in India the ideology of the RSS, in Afghanistan the creed of Mullah Omar and Sheikh Osama bin Laden, in Swat the self-righteous dogmatism of Haji Muslim Khan and his brand of Kalashnikov-toting ?proselytisers.
In Pakistan we have two variants of Talebanism: fundamentalist and secularist. The use of violence to further their aims, to convey a sense of their power and to instill fear into the hearts of their opponents, is central to both variants. Violence can come in many forms, including the slitting of throats or the subtle use of the drill machine. There is no beating this choice: a knife across your throat or a drill machine caressing your knee.
We are in a state of war, no doubt about it, and the enemy is as much the likes of Baitullah Mahsud and Maulana Fazlullah as our penchant for loose thinking. For thirty years the army chased shadows in Afghanistan and the nation is paying the price of that folly now. One can only hope that the army has finally exorcised those shadows and ghosts and given up on such priceless notions as strategic depth and strategic assets. If the Taleban were ever a strategic asset, what would be the definition of a strategic liability?
What did we ever do to deserve that king of darkness, General Ziaul Haq? Werent we Islamic or Muslim enough at our birth for him to emerge on the scene, for God knows what sins we committed, determined to convert the Pakistani nation to Islam once again? And as if he wasnt enough, we now have the Taleban of Waziristan and Swat.
What did we ever do to deserve the Hudood laws? They were not meant for the greater glory of Islam.
They were meant to appease Saudi Arabia from which, in 1979, a broke Ziaul Haq wanted to borrow some money. That exigency has passed but those laws, which have contributed their bit to distorting Pakistan remain.
Why do we seem to be destinys favourite child? After Ziaul Haq, that other gift to a hapless nation, Pervez Musharraf, and now Asif Zardari. Yet, come to think of it, Pakistan has carried all these crosses and survived. There is no more telling testimony than this to our resilience.
Countries much better placed than ours could not have survived unscathed from encounters with the kind of paladins weve had. Even now, despite the burden of ineptitude we carry, we are not rebelling against Zardari, constantly reminding ourselves that he is our constitutionally-elected president. We are just mentally training ourselves to forget that he is president. This shows a mental toughness that other nations could envy.
But this strength would be multiplied many times over if finally, through the ordeal of fire, which is our present war, we could leave some of our confusion behind and forge a new national identity.
All talk of why Pakistan was created should now end. Enough of such ?metaphysics.
The frequent references we are fond of making regarding Jinnahs vision of Pakistan should also be kept to one side becauseand here I would beseech all self-appointed patriots and guardians of whatever passes for the national flame not to lunge for their holsters immediatelyJinnahs vision of Pakistan is set out in a montage of snippets and statements which taken together do not lead to a picture either coherent or plain.
Over a life spent in monumental struggle Jinnah said many things. Islamists and even fire-breathing maulanas can pick out things from his various speeches to support their point of view and so-called liberals and secularists can endlessly quote Jinnahs August 11, 1947, address to the Constituent Assembly to declare his espousal of a secular state. There are subjects that can be debated until the end of time without arriving at any conclusion and the meaning of Pakistan and the interpretation of religion are two such items.
The purpose of any state is to enable its citizens to live wellto ensure the creation of conditions, which enable them to live in security and comfort and with a sense of fulfillment. These should be our national mottoes.
After the success of the Bolshevik revolution, Lenin was asked what was communism and he famously replied, Soviet power plus electrification of the whole country. Bear in mind, please, that in 1920 or so the goal of nation-wide electrification was something worth striving for.
So what should be the meaning of Pakistan? Freedom from want and deprivation. An end to the tyranny of officialdom, the most pervasive tyranny across the broad spaces of our country. And every child of school-going age, boy and girl, in school studying the same books and subject to the same curriculum throughout the country.
The day this happens and the day we have the sense to invest in a railway system which takes passengers from Karachi to Peshawar in less than 10 hourswith reasonably comely stewardesses (no male stewards please) serving passengersJinnahs Pakistan will? have arrived.
Lahore has been hit once more by terrorism. The answer to this latest outrage is not to go about with bowed heads and cowed looks but to vow that come-what-may terrorism will be defeated.
So the war we find ourselves in is apart from being a challenge is also an opportunity to leave our past behind. If we had not strength as a nation the people of Mardan and Swabi would not have taken to their hearts, and into their homes, the people of Buner and Swat.
A million plus refugees anywhere in Europe or America would have caused mass rioting.
We have many faults but narrowness of heart, I think, is not one of them. So forward and let us make Dantons motto our motto: Audacity, more audacity and always audacity.
Half-measures and weakness of spirit will just not do.
Ayaz Amir is a distinguished Pakistani commentator and member of parliament

(1) Mr Ayaz Mir of PML-N is not a kid. He must be in mid 50s. Instead of expressing his illusion and hypothetical thinking, he should have considered the Past of Punjab. During Afghan war, when 25 to 30 lacs Afghani immigrants came to Pakistan. How many of them were absorbed by PUNJAB? The influx of AFGHANI went to NWFP and Sind. But, AYAZ MIR didn't cry then.

(2) Punjab has been using resources of all the province for ages on the basis of POPULATION. But, why Punjab is not establishing IDPs camp for at least 10 lac. Only they are doing verbosity. If Punjab is using resources of the whole country on the basis of population, Punjab should allow the influx of IDPs.

(3) MQM is only adamant about the registration of IDPs. Punjab is also favoring the registration. But, it is being spreaded that, MQM is not allowing IDPs or don't want them to come to SIND.

(4) Establishment don't give the required funds to the provinces, excluding Punjab. But, when it comes to giving favor, they look toward other then Punjab. Like they did in AFGHAN WAR era, when they didn't let AFGHANI IMMIGRANTS in PUNJAB, and let them influx in NWFP and SIND. What a wise approach?

(5) All the political parties and persons, who are in political oblivion in Sind politics, especially in Karachi, has twisted this issue for there vested interests. Ayaz Mir should realize as a PML-N member, that, verbosity will not solve the problem. Punjab should establish at least 10 lacs IDPs camp at once to show there love and affection.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
PAKI-MEHBOOB said:
(1) mqm jo bazahir to swat ka mahajreen ki bhot help ka rahi hai magre un ko sindh anay pe pobandi laga rahi hai
ager humein pata hota to karachi ka urdu speaking ko hum kabhi karachi na anay detay jo aaj humera shehr pe qabza kar baita hai
aaj aik pakistani ko apna shehr karachi main nahi jana dia ja raha 2y to(2) humera senior politiciene ko karahi mai nahi anay dia gay imran bhai ko aaj altaf keh rah ka hum swat ka logoo ki bhot help kar rahay hai magre aik pathan ke saath jo kuch karachi mai ho raha hai koi nahi janta[/color]

(1) Just for argument sake. If your illusion is right that MQM is not letting IDPs in SIND. Why not Punjab is showing magnanimity by establishing IDPs camp for at least 10 lac.

(2) Your beloved Imran Bhai came in and went from Karachi. I think, it is his luck, which has been favoring him to be in the news, because of Karachi.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
hiflyer1961 said:
(1) I think you need to go look at the numbers, majority of Afghans were NWFP and Punjab not Sindh. How convinient for you guys to use the word Sindh when it suites otherwise it is only Karachi.

(2) Now really Punjab is self-sufficient in all the resources, infact it is the other way around. Keep in mind you guys are a tiny minority and yo will always will remain.

(3) I must agree, In this regards PML is also shamelessly keeping quite

(4) STOP the lies, Punjab is full of Afghan. It is just you peoples heart is like a bunya thats all. Dill bhara Kero Bhai

(5) He voted against his party when they signed the Pro-Taliban bill and he is still alive and kicking. You as a MQM memeber dare not speek agains the terrorist sitting in London, if you did or anyone of the MQM office bearers do, they are sure to be found in bag somewhere in Karachi. This is a difference between the rest of the parties and your terrorist group.

(1) Now again you're running away from the facts. It is understood that they came to Karachi, because of opportunity.

(2) You're running away from the facts. No body is self sufficient in Pakistan. If Punjab has a fertile soil then Sind has port. Similarly Baluchistan has minerals. NWFP has Tarbela dam. All I mentioned in my reply, that, Punjab has been using resource of the provinces for ages. But, when it comes to IDPs, he is just doing verbosity. Why not, Punjab has established camps of 10 lac IDPs.

(3) But only MQM is being criticizing for wrong reasons. AYAZ MIR is PML-N member, why not he openly criticizing PUNJAB GOVT. MQM only adamant about the registration. So is Punjab. But, only MQM is in the news.

(4) Punjab is full of AFGHANS? Please make it clear.

(5) Again you're wrong. Ayaz mir opposes the bill, but, he didn't vote in against the bill. He was with the party, which is good. The NIZAM-e-ADL bill was passed unanimously.

At last you've lost your temper. MQM is the only party, who has been making hue and cry for the TALIBAN. But party like, PML-N, PTI, JAMAAT-e-ISLAMI, etc. have not been saying any thing till the start of OPERATION RAH-E-RAST.

They all were afraid of suicidal attackers. Which is reasonable, but only for the common man. But, leaders should be bold enough to lead the people. They are so much indulge in there political vested interest, they wouldn't dare to oppose the TALIBAN. Only MQM openly is openly criticizing the TALIBAN.