Observer Effect of Quantum Physics & Islam

TechWarrior

MPA (400+ posts)
I am not a Qadiyani. Still awaiting your answers for:

1) Evidence of any supernatural entity or activity
2) Evidence for existence of God
3) Evidence that it is your god and not the thousands other goods.

I will make it easy for you and say that none of the evidence exists. as your belief is based on faith and not evidence.



Wait a minute, I will not let you dragged away from the topic after the bashing. I successful thrashed your useless arguments. If you want to have a debate with me on these thing we need to create a separate post for that. But for the original post Alhumdulillah I am successful in defending it.

Looking forward for new debate..



P.S: I know you are Qadiyani, your flawed logics and concepts confirms that.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You keep running away from the argument and this is the 4th time you are doing this.

You cannot claim Quantum Physics is explained by your supernatural ideas of God. Because 1) You have not proven that anything supernatural exists, 2) You have not proven that God exists, 3) You have not proven that if a God exists, it is the God you believe in and not the ones that other 5 billion people believe in. These three points are an important pre requisite to your main argument and thread, without these arguments your whole thread is like a car without wheels.

According David Hume, the occurrence of any supernatural event is Zero, therefore the prior probability of any supernatural explanation is 0%. It means that the probability of me being teleported to mars is higher than the probability of your supernatural explanations around Quantum physics.

Debating with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, it will kick all the chess pieces over, crap on the board and walk on it triumphant claiming victory.



Wait a minute, I will not let you dragged away from the topic after the bashing. I successful thrashed your useless arguments. If you want to have a debate with me on these thing we need to create a separate post for that. But for the original post Alhumdulillah I am successful in defending it.

Looking forward for new debate..



P.S: I know you are Qadiyani, your flawed logics and concepts confirms that.
 

Ali raza babar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
From your post I get the impression that neither you are a Physicist and nor do you understand Quantum Physics. You are taking this concept that even the brightest minds on this planet do not completely understand and use it to support your superstitious and religious beliefs. This is shameful.

Science
Science is the only thing that has improved the conditions of man, our ancestors had a life expectancy of around 25 years and were being mauled by Saber tooth tigers, with science we invented the needled and stitched our clothes and sandals, start a fire to cook our food, smelt iron to create arrows to protect our families. This is why modern Muslim world is behind the west, because of stupendous ideas of people who bash science for their personal beliefs.

The idea of Quran being word of God was disputed in Arab world even 1,000 years ago and the Mutazila scientists who spearheaded the Islamic Golden age did not believe in Quran. Books are written by men not by Gods. Its like a bee making a good honey, claiming it was God and telling the rest of the bees to worship it. The content of the Quran only holds as much information as the Arabs in the region knew at that time, it does not have much of the information that the Greeks had already discovered a thousand years ago.

Some obvious errors in Quran that Muslims believed in for 100s of years

According to this book:
1) The sun is a small fire ball that whips around the Earth once every 24 hours
2) That the Earth is a flat circle like a coin and spread out like a carpet.
3) That the Earth is the center of the universe
4) The Earth stationary relative to the solar-system
5) Mountains are fixed to the Earth like Pegs and do not move
6) Humans come from Adam and Eve and not from biological evolution
7) Explicit mention of visible bodies in space, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Moon, Sun, Mercury. But no mention of other planets that cannot be seen without telescope like Uranus, Neptune and Pluto
8) No mention or understanding of the vastness of space
9) Earth was created before the rest of the universe
10) Earth was created in 5 days rest of 10^24 Stars or 10000 Billion Billion Stars were created in the other 2 days.
All of this proved to be false, and only Arabs with a limited knowledge of the world around them would make these mistakes not a God.
You do not believe the Earth is flat anymore, and you are aware of the Earths Rotation and day and night cycle and the true size of the sun because of science, before this Muslims believed the Earth was flat and sun was as small ball moving around the Earth. It took a Saudi Prince to travel to the International Space Station for 2 weeks and then go down to Earth and convince the Saudi religious authorities that the Earth is not flat and that the Earth is not stationary and it rotates and revolves.


Does God make worlds or Nests and Honey?

Theism and religion aside, lets come to Deism and the concept of God, everyone who believes in God regardless of religion would agree that the Universe was created by God there is 100% agreement on this among people who believe in a God. The religious texts are the culprits that are in question and there is no consensus on it. So then why are you bashing something that is 100% believed to be creation of God, and something that is the study of God's creation (science) for the sake of your books on which there is no consensus?
If you want to study God, do not study the honey made by the bee, study the world around it as it is the obvious thing to have been made by a God if a God existed. The secrets must then lie in the world around you and not in those old books. When those books were published, people still believed in superstitious beliefs like the 10 points I mentioned above, but when Scientists discover something it changes societies, when you study Big Bang you discovered waves that helped you make wifi, you always discover something new but nothing new was discovered from those books. Books on ethics like how to respect your parents, teachers, neighbours have existed since thousands of years and from every religion or secular society it is not something that we needed a divine intervention for.
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I can tear apart your globe earth and Solar system model in 5 minutes not more.

If you wanna call CGI as a fact then Welcome to lala land.
Earth is a globe that spins right?
With 8inch per mile curvature?
Thats what your science says just say yes to both facts and i will show you how you and your kids were lied to, about this globe shite
 

TechWarrior

MPA (400+ posts)
You keep running away from the argument and this is the 4th time you are doing this.

You cannot claim Quantum Physics is explained by your supernatural ideas of God. Because 1) You have not proven that anything supernatural exists, 2) You have not proven that God exists, 3) You have not proven that if a God exists, it is the God you believe in and not the ones that other 5 billion people believe in. These three points are an important pre requisite to your main argument and thread, without these arguments your whole thread is like a car without wheels.

According David Hume, the occurrence of any supernatural event is Zero, therefore the prior probability of any supernatural explanation is 0%. It means that the probability of me being teleported to mars is higher than the probability of your supernatural explanations around Quantum physics.

Debating with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, it will kick all the chess pieces over, crap on the board and walk on it triumphant claiming victory.


Audience, these Qadiyanis are biggest deceivers. The Post was about Quantum Physics, Fate in Islam but look where he is dragging the debate after the defeat. This is what he said


Your argument is a symbolic or spiritual one, you can claim that the concept of super position is similar to your personal beliefs about your religion, but you cannot make a scientific claim that scientists are wrong and somehow there is a superstitious force is behind Quantum physics. You will be ridiculed not only here but on every forum where you debate educated people.

and in the next post I proved my point through scientific and mathematical way which he cannot counter now.

Vitamin, You seriously sure you are educated? Do you know what probability is? There is a probability number for that even if it is almost impossible but it is still there as per mathematics. Teleportation to mars is so low that it is negligible and hence almost 0. You are making mockery of yourself.



I won the discussion, stop your tricks and deceiving. Don't drag I dont have time for you who write stories and useless counters to tell i havent provided you answer. Why should I give you answer? It should be relevant with the topic. If you want the answer close this discussion with me as winner because I thrashed you and and everybody saw that. I am ready to answer you in the same post with discussion/debate number 2.

If you will repeat the same thing, I will not reply until you say discussion number 2 otherwise I will take it as you have given up and dragging just to save yourself. But know that your friend SabauNu left speechless and had to leave the debate with me earlier.

Proud to be from Jamat-e-Islami
 
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Well the probability of almost Zero is still higher than Zero, the probability of the supernatural is zero as it has never happened before and therefore the probability of being teleported to mars is higher than your God hypothesis.

Instead of answering my argument you are squealing, and lying down under the truck weeping and claiming victory on technicality. Pathetic.

Your whole argument is that a concept that you do not understand and most scientists do not fully understand "Quantum Physics" a topic in natural sciences, explains your idea of a supernatural entity (that does not exist).

So something that does not exist is deciding the fate of the universe. I rest my case.


Audience, these Qadiyanis are biggest deceivers. The Post was about Quantum Physics, Fate in Islam but look where he is dragging the debate after the defeat. This is what he said



and in the next post I proved my point through scientific and mathematical way which he cannot counter now.

Vitamin, You seriously sure you are educated? Do you know what probability is? There is a probability number for that even if it is almost impossible but it is still there as per mathematics. Teleportation to mars is so low that it is negligible and hence almost 0. You are making mockery of yourself.



I won the discussion, stop your tricks and deceiving. Don't drag I dont have time for you who write stories and useless counters to tell i havent provided you answer. Why should I give you answer? It should be relevant with the topic. If you want the answer close this discussion with me as winner because I thrashed you and and everybody saw that. I am ready to answer you in the same post with discussion/debate number 2.

If you will repeat the same thing, I will not reply until you say discussion number 2 otherwise I will take it as you have given up and dragging just to save yourself. But know that your friend SabauNu left speechless and had to leave the debate with me earlier.

Proud to be from Jamat-e-Islami
 

TechWarrior

MPA (400+ posts)
Well the probability of almost Zero is still higher than Zero, the probability of the supernatural is zero as it has never happened before and therefore the probability of being teleported to mars is higher than your God hypothesis.

Instead of answering my argument you are squealing, and lying down under the truck weeping and claiming victory on technicality. Pathetic.

Your whole argument is that a concept that you do not understand and most scientists do not fully understand "Quantum Physics" a topic in natural sciences, explains your idea of a supernatural entity (that does not exist).

So something that does not exist is deciding the fate of the universe. I rest my case.


I advice users to read alll the discssion throughly and see how arrogant he was before and see after the bashing his attitude.


وَ قُلْ جَآءَالْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَطِلُ، إِنَّ الْبَطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا
 

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