Osama Bin Laden - A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

stargazermal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
This video made me ponder over this question:

Was he a terrorist or a person fighting against oppression and western domination. Let us flit all our stereotypes and have a debate what he represents


Another version in Afghani Language I guess

 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

Freedom Fighting should remain within the given limits. If Al-Qaida is involve in killing civilians not a appreciated act.
 

stargazermal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

Freedom Fighting should remain within the given limits. If Al-Qaida is involve in killing civilians not a appreciated act.

Excellent point. Please define the given limits. Also please give us cases from the present war scenarios in Iraq , Afghanistan and Wars in other parts where civilians are not killed.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

Excellent point. Please define the given limits. Also please give us cases from the present war scenarios in Iraq , Afghanistan and Wars in other parts where civilians are not killed.

Limits are Islamic rules of war. The question is about Usama not for America, anyhow to me America is the Terrorist #1.
 

RAJKO

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

Do you mean life of a American is more important than a life of other human?? agree 3000 inocent people were killed in US, But what about multimillion including children and women, in Iraq and Afghanistan?? they had nothing to do with 9/11. It was announced with in 30 mintuts of 9/11 that Usama Binladen is responsible, but never prooved by neutral sources, Binladin refused but never listened.
Who created Binladen and Taleban??? when they were fighting for Ammerican against Russia they were Mujaedeen and offered the red carpet from America but now they are fighting against American occupation of their Country, they are called Terrorists. Might is right, this is called law of Jungle.
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

If he was such a Mujahid, did he ever condemn blasts in public places of Pakistan? When Taliban took responsibility for many many killings in bomb attacks in Pakistan, did Osama ever released any statement against Taliban? One may say there is difference in Pakistani Taliban and Afghan Taliban.............don't both the groups consider Mullah Umar as thier leader?
Naseem Hijazi could prove him a hero but after 34000 deaths of innocent muslims in Pakistan...................He is murderer.........
 

jahanzaibi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

Baat aap ki thik hay Islamic rules of war.. i agree

likin aik baat aur hay Osama shayyad civil engineer tha, uski wife phd in islamic studies aur bahi al zawheri wagera islamic scholar etc
meray khiyal may wo shayyad jantay hoon rules of war.. baki jo pakistan may suside bombing hoo rahi hay pata nahi wo koon kar raha
hay hum aisay hi kisi per ilzam rakh deetay hain.

bahi Allah behtar jantay hain .. hum ko hidayat dain

Limits are Islamic rules of war. The question is about Usama not for America, anyhow to me America is the Terrorist #1.
 

stargazermal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: A Terrorist or a Leader Fighting Against Foreign Oppression /Agression

Do you mean life of a American is more important than a life of other human?? agree 3000 inocent people were killed in US, But what about multimillion including children and women, in Iraq and Afghanistan?? they had nothing to do with 9/11. It was announced with in 30 mintuts of 9/11 that Usama Binladen is responsible, but never prooved by neutral sources, Binladin refused but never listened.
Who created Binladen and Taleban??? when they were fighting for Ammerican against Russia they were Mujaedeen and offered the red carpet from America but now they are fighting against American occupation of their Country, they are called Terrorists. Might is right, this is called law of Jungle.

I think what he meant to say about rules of war was that Americans and made in USA weapons are very smart and they are equipped with modern electronic sensing devices that can sense who is a civilian and who is a combatant soldier. The bombs USA used in iraq and afghanistan were so smart that before killing the victim each was asked if he is was innocent or not. Bin Laden on the other hand was a Mullah and he killed without any distinction . Hence it is proven that bin laden was wrong
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Saudi Arabia has always been a factor in Pakistan’s domestic politics. No Pakistani leader, either from the military or from among civilians, can ignore Saudi “advice”, although Riyadh’s plea to spare Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s life was a rare instance when such advice was rejected by Gen. Zia.
In an understandable effort to publicly distance himself from the US operation to kill Osama, Kayani warned today that any repetition of such action, violating Pakistan’s sovereignty, would call for a review of military and intelligence co-operation with the US.
What is more interesting than Kayani’s bravado in issuing such a warning is the instant response to it from Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. In a statement issued on behalf of Mullen, his spokesman said: “The small number of US military trainers in Pakistan are there at the invitation of the Pakistani government, and therefore, subject to that government’s prerogatives.”
More of such symphony in the US-Pakistan orchestra is to be expected in the coming days with the two sides disagreeing in public, even to the point of behaving like adversaries, for popular consumption but working together behind the scenes to advance their common interests in South and Central Asia and the Arab world.
 

stargazermal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Saudi Arabia has always been a factor in Pakistan’s domestic politics. No Pakistani leader, either from the military or from among civilians, can ignore Saudi “advice”, although Riyadh’s plea to spare Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s life was a rare instance when such advice was rejected by Gen. Zia.
In an understandable effort to publicly distance himself from the US operation to kill Osama, Kayani warned today that any repetition of such action, violating Pakistan’s sovereignty, would call for a review of military and intelligence co-operation with the US.
What is more interesting than Kayani’s bravado in issuing such a warning is the instant response to it from Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff. In a statement issued on behalf of Mullen, his spokesman said: “The small number of US military trainers in Pakistan are there at the invitation of the Pakistani government, and therefore, subject to that government’s prerogatives.”
More of such symphony in the US-Pakistan orchestra is to be expected in the coming days with the two sides disagreeing in public, even to the point of behaving like adversaries, for popular consumption but working together behind the scenes to advance their common interests in South and Central Asia and the Arab world.

i agree with your analysis