Pakistan Army - How True Is The Statement That Pakistan Army Is Punjabi Dominated?

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[h=3]Pakistan Army - How True Is The Statement That Pakistan Army Is Punjabi Dominated?[/h]
By Sikander Hayat

I am writing the following lines to refute the biggest fallacy associated with Pakistan Army that it is actually a Punjabi Army which takes care of the interests of the Punjab and does not take care of the other federating units. It is outright false and wrong to say such a thing because from the time of Pakistani independence 14 Generals have commanded Pakistan Army. Out of these 14 Generals 2 were British, 4 were Pakhtun, 1 was Hazara, 1 was Baloch, 1 was a Rajput, 3 were Mohajir and 2 were Punjabi.

In 64 years after independence, Pakistan has been ruled by 4 Generals for 32 years. These Generals are General Ayub Khan (9 years), General Yahya Khan (3 years), General Zia Ul Haq (11 years) and General Pervez Musharaf (9 years). Not a single one of these Generals was a Punjabi. So much for the myth of a Punjabi dominated army.

Here is the list of all the Generals who have lead the Pakistan Army:


1. General Sir Frank Walter Messervy was born in 1893 in Trinidad to British parents. He was commissioned in the Indian Army in
1913 and later joined 9 Hudsons Horse, India in 1914. When Pakistan achieved independence in 1947, he enjoyed a singular honour to serve as a First Commander in Chief of Pakistan Army from 15 August 1947 to 10 February 1948.












2. General Sir Douglas David Gracey was British and was born on 3 Sept 1894. He was commissioned in British Army and served in both the First and Second World Wars. He is the second Chief of Army Staff of Pakistan, holding this office from 11 February 1948 to 16 January 1951.








3. General Muhammad Ayub Khan was an ethnic Pakhtun. He was born on 14 May 1907. He was selected for Royal Military Academy Sand Hurst in 1922 and got commission on 2nd Feb 1928. He joined the 1st Battalion of the 14 Punjab regiment , later known as 5 Punjab Regiment. He was made Commander-in-Chief of the Pakistan Army on January 17, 1951, succeeding General Sir Douglas Gracey, thus becoming the first native Pakistani General to hold this prestigious position.









4. General Muhammad Musa was born on 20 Nov 1908. He was born in a Hazara Shia Muslim family in Quetta, he was from the Sardar family of the Hazara tribe in Balochistan, Pakistan.He got commission from Indian Military Academy in Dehradun on 1st Feb 1935. He was posted to the 6th Royal Battalion, the 13th Frontier Force Rifles as a Platoon Commander in 1936. He served with distinction in the Pakistani Army and rose to the rank of the commander in chief of Pakistan Armed Forces on 1st April 1957 and held the office till 17 Sept 1966.








5. General Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan was born in Chakwal in 1917, to an ethnic Shia Muslim Qizilbash family of Persian descent who could trace their military links to the time of Nader Shah. He was, however, culturally Pakhtun. He got commission in British Army on 15 Jul 1939.He became Chief of Army Staff on 18 Sep 1966 and held this office till 20 Dec 1971.








6. General Gul Hassan was born on 9 June 1921. He was a Sunni Pakhtun born in Quetta. He got Commission on 22nd Feburary 1942. He commanded 1 Armed Division and remained CGS before he was appointed acting C-in-C on 20 December 1971. He was appointed C-in-C on 22 January 1972 till his retirement on 3rd March 1972.





7. General Tikka Khan was a Narma Rajput and was born on 7 Jul 1915.He was a graduate of the Indian Military Academy at Dehradun, and was commissioned on 22 Dec 1940. General Tikka Khan was Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff from 3rd March 1972 to 1st March 1976.
















8. General Zia-ul-Haq was a Mohajir and was born in Jalandhar in India on 12 September 1924. He was commissioned in the British Army on 12 May 1943. At Pakistan's independence, he joined the Pakistani Army as a major. He got trained in the United States 19621964 at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. On 1 April 1976, he was appointed Chief of Army Staff.














9. General Mirza Aslam Beg was a Mohajir and was born in Azam Garh, British India on 2 August 1931 and got commission in Pakistan Army on 23 August 1952. He was made Chief of Army on 17 August 1988 and remained in the office till 1 August 1992.












10. General Asif Nawaz Janjua was a Rajput and was born on 3 January 1937. He was selected for Royal Military Academy Sand Hurst and got commission on 31 March 1957. He was made Chief of Army Staff from 1991 to 1993.

















11. General Abdul Wahid Kakar was a Pakhtun of Balochistan province and was born on 20 March 1937 and got commission on 18 October 1959. General Wahid Kakar is remembered for starting the Shaheen Nuclear Missile Project. He was made Chief of Army Staff on 12 January 1993 and held the office till 12 January 1996.















12. General Jehangir Karamat was a Punjabi who got commission on 14 October 1961. General Karamat is a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, U.S.A. He was made Chief of the Army Staff on 12 January 1996 and held the office till 7 October 1998.











13. General Pervez Musharraf is a Mohajir and was born on August 11, 1943 in Delhi, British India). He got commission from
PMA kakul on 19 April 1964. In 1998 he was promoted to General and took over as the Chief of Army Staff and he had been holding this office till November 2007.















14. General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is a Punjabi who commissioned from Paksitan Military Academy, Kakul in Baloch Regiment in 1971. General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is graduate of Fort Benning (USA), Command and Staff College Quetta, Command and General Staff College Fort Leavenworth (USA), Asia Pacific Center for Security Studies, Hawaii (USA), and National Defence College Islamabad.
 

Lawangeen

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ethnic Composition:
Traditionally, the army was a predominantly Punjabi force because of its dominant Population (Punjab is the most populous province of Pakistan, with approximately 45% of the country's total population). In British India, three districts: Jhelum, Rawalpindi, and Campbellpur (now Attock) dominated the recruitment flows. By 2007 the percentage representation in the Pakistan Army as a whole (officers and Other Ranks or soldiers) was as follows: Punjabis (including Punjabi Pathans): 51%,Pashtuns: 21%, Sindhis: 13.5%, Kashmiris: 9.11%, Balochis: 3.2%, and Minorities: 0.72%. Extensive efforts have been made to bring Balochis and Sindhis on par with other ethnicities, presently the army recruitment system is enlisting personnel district-wise irrespective of provincial boundaries. This decision has given a fair chance to every citizen of Pakistan to be part of the Pakistan Army as each district possesses a fixed percentage of seats in all branches of the army, as per census records. Large numbers of men from Sind and Balochistan have joined the ranks of the army and have proved their commitment and bravery to the national cause in Kargil and the ongoing global war on terrorism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Army#Ethnic_Composition

I personally think when people talk about punjabi army that is what they mean but i personally believe it doesn't matter who is general or whoever is ordering, the bottom line is no one care about pakistanis they just come to power make money (legally or illegally) and then retires and live happily after in United states or United kingdome
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Just wait for few comments. Here are some people who will prove that General Gracey was Cheema of Sialkot.

Well No doubt they will all find a way to Make Gracey a Jatt

Also if you read [MENTION=13822]Lawangeen[/MENTION] 's post, you get the percentages, and the Army are trying to recruit differently for Diversity.

I guess the key question would be has anyone been rejected by the Army purely on the grounds of "Ethnicity" I would like to see some confirmed examples before I judge

What I found surprising was Gen Gul, I never even knew he existed and was in charge for 5 whole weeks !!

then "Retired" "January 1972 till his retirement on 3rd March 1972"
 
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saeed khan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have a question to ask, we are told again and again that Punjab is 60% of Pakistan than why not 60% army Generals are from Punjab ?
 
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Qalandari

Banned
The summary is that Rajputs are not Punjabis. If you are from Chakwal you are not a Punjabi. If you are born in East Punjab you are not a Punjabi. If you speak Hindko at home you are not a Punjabi. I'm getting a bit confused here, what is the definition of Punjabi ?
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The summary is that Rajputs are not Punjabis. If you are from Chakwal you are not a Punjabi. If you are born in East Punjab you are not a Punjabi. If you speak Hindko at home you are not a Punjabi. I'm getting a bit confused here, what is the definition of Punjabi ?

Since YOU know what a Punjabi is, why don't you tell us who is and is not a Punjabi ?

As regards Rajputs

The Rajput population and the former Rajput states are found spread through much of the subcontinent, particularly in north, west and central India. Populations are found in Rajasthan, Saurashtra, Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Jammu, Punjab, Uttarakhand, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar.

Now why don't you convince me that all these are Punjabi ? or part of Punjab

PS Gen Kayani is the FIRST C in C born AFTER Pakistan came into being.
 
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monk1985

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
What are you trying to prove....this "sobaiyat" is just killing the country. For God sake call yourself "Pakistani" thats enough.
 

mohibbewatan

Senator (1k+ posts)
The problem with Pakistan is that people love to blame others for their problems. Fact is that no one in Pakistan cares about others, it's all about yourself or your relatives so nepotism is to be blamed.
For example, none of my close family members have ever been part of military so no one has EVER given us any benefits JUST because we are Punjabis.
When your population is close to 60%, it is OBVIOUS that you are naturally going to have more representation.
I think population wise, Pasthuns representation in Army is more than their proportion of population because they are culturally fighters. Urdu speaking people have had fair share of people at high posts in Pakistan because they are generally more educated than rest.
Unfortunately people love to blame others so when something bad happens, let's blame it all of Punjabis, fact is that as a nation our education levels are pathetic, we all hate to OBEY rules, we ALL love to provide illegal benefit to family, friends & relatives so blaming Punjabis for everything is unfair.
 

United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
It doesn't matter where the generals are from as they should be selected on the basis of their ability and not their ethnicity. This army has been dominated by Rajput and Mohajir Indians.

By the way, can someone tell this writer that army is made up of soldiers and not only just generals. It would be better if proportional representation of provinces was given for a better analysis.
 

mohibbewatan

Senator (1k+ posts)
In an ideal world, it shouldn't matter where the ARMY is from because they protect us and we should respect and support them. Do i EVER think about my soldier as Sindhi/Punjabi?? This thought never came to my mind until i heard people complaining about Punjabi Army.

I am not questioning anyone's patrotism but generally Sindhis, Balochis and Pashtuns put their ethnicity before nationality whereas Punjabis and Mohajirs consider themselves as Pakistanis first and then any ethnicity.
 

A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
A correction - General Zia-ul-Haq couldn't be called a Muhajir or Urdu Speaking.Yes he was born in Jalandhar but the city is located in Indian state of Punjab.Due to partition Punjab got divided alongwith Bengal,and there's no cultural difference between Muslims hailing from Indian and Pakistani Punjabs.Majority of Muslims from Indian side would migrate after partition and you can't see any difference between them and those who were already living in Pakistani Punjab.


Plus Pakistan's very first prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan was also actually a Punjabi.He was Born into Punjabi Muslim Nawab family in Karnal,East Punjab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaquat_Ali_Khan#Family_Background

Later on Kernal became a part of Haryana when Indian Punjab would get divided into three parts giving birth to two new states.
 
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Wahab Afridi

Councller (250+ posts)
the problem is that pak army is running under philosophy of non pukhtoons and that is why afghanistan and tribal pukhtoons r suffering. stop supporting terrorist as proxies nobody would raise question of punjabi army
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A correction - General Zia-ul-Haq couldn't be called a Muhajir or Urdu Speaking.Yes he was born in Jalandhar but the city is located in Indian state of Punjab.Due to partition Punjab got divided alongwith Bengal,and there's no cultural difference between Muslims hailing from Indian and Pakistani Punjabs.Majority of Muslims from Indian side would migrate after partition and you can't see any difference between them and those who were already living in Pakistani Punjab.


Plus Pakistan's very first prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan was also actually a Punjabi.He was Born into Punjabi Muslim Nawab family in Karnal,East Punjab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaquat_Ali_Khan#Family_Background

Later on Kernal became a part of Haryana when Indian Punjab would get divided into three parts giving birth to two new states.

That is YOUR definition of Mohajir. I cannot see how similarities in culture can belittle what happened in 1947 to Punjab. Millions and Millions of people suffered severe hardship and gave up everything to move from Indian Punjab to Pakistan.

Let me ask you a simple question. When the Prophet PBUH, migrated to Medina, all those who went with him were called Muhajireen........................ They moved from one part of Arabia to another..........


A muhajir is a person who emmigrates or has emmigrated - an immigrant.After the Muslims suffered great hardships, exclusion and torture in Makkah, the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) received instruction from God to emmigrate to Madina with his followers. The Muslims who emmigrated to Madina were called the "Muhajiroon", while the Muslim residents of Madina were called the Ansar

Tell us that is an incorrect definition :) Did the Prophet PBUH, move because of Cultural differences in Mecca, or did he have as much in common with the people of Medina ?

So whilst it may serve the purposes of those who call themselves as the ONLY Mohajirs

IE Our friends from Karachi. Thay have NO right to tell the word that the word refers only to them.



PS this is about the ARMY so I do not see why you have brought Liaqat Ali Khan into it ? Was he a soldier or a politician
 
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A.G.Uddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
That is YOUR definition of Mohajir. I cannot see how similarities in culture can belittle what happened in 1947 to Punjab. Millions and Millions of people suffered severe hardship and gave up everything to move from Indian Punjab to Pakistan.

Let me ask you a simple question. When the Prophet PBUH, migrated to Medina, all those who went with him were called Muhajireen........................ They moved from one part of Arabia to another..........


A muhajir is a person who emmigrates or has emmigrated - an immigrant.After the Muslims suffered great hardships, exclusion and torture in Makkah, the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) received instruction from God to emmigrate to Madina with his followers. The Muslims who emmigrated to Madina were called the "Muhajiroon", while the Muslim residents of Madina were called the Ansar

Tell us that is an incorrect definition :)

So whilst it may serve the purposes of those who call themselves as the ONLY Mohajirs

IE Our friends from Karachi. Thay have NO right to tell the word that the word refers only to them.



PS this is about the ARMY so I do not see why you have brought Liaqat Ali Khan into it ? Was he a soldier or a politician

OK I agree that I shouldn't have mentioned about Liaquat Ali Khan but was just trying to correct things up based on how the definition of Muhajir or Urdu Speaking generally fits with.I too belong to an Urdu Speaking family and my grandparents (from both sides) migrated from Hyderabad(Deccan).Usually the title of Muhajir is tagged with those who migrated from U.P.,Bihar and other Urdu Speaking areas of present day India.

I didn't try to bash Punjabi brothers.Instead I do acknowledge that those migrating from Indian Punjab had also suffered due to robbery,murder and rape etc...on their way to Pakistan. If you check credible sources then region of Punjab witnessed way more violence due to partition as comapred to Delhi,U.P. and Deccan.Plus, Muslim population in Indian Punjab would get reduced to below 5% which didn't happen in other areas. For instance, in Uttar Pradesh,India's biggest state,Muslims currently form a huge votebank and can't be ignored.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
I am a firm believer in "Assimilation after Immigration". For the most when people immigrate to different country, they can only succeed if they assimilate with the locals. Go to France, Germany or Uk the immigrants those who have assimmilate are successful as compared to others. We immigrated from UP and settled in Pindi and Chakwal, but our forefathers made sure we became part of that land, hence we have no problem calling ours Punjabis because we are and proud of it.

Since we have become divided on the basis of ethnicity and a religion and then subdivided into sects, we need a visionary leader who just comes to power and abolishes the provinces and leaves us with districts only. Having said this MQM and its supporters have done such a disservice to our country, its going to be really hard for government to hold us together.
 

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