Pakistan Army - How True Is The Statement That Pakistan Army Is Punjabi Dominated?

[UKPakistani]

What a comical post. Zia, Keramat, Tikka Khan and Janjua are all Punjabis.

Also, what's even more hilarious is that you're saying the word Mohajir means immigrant, therefore, it applies to anyone who migrated.

The word was invented to refer to a community who was being mistreated, oppressed and discriminated against so they would be clumped together into one community as they did not have enough numbers as other communities and weren't a monolithic community because their forefathers migrated from different parts of India and not just one with a mass migration like in Punjab.

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Amazing and conspicuous presentation of the word "Mohajir" and also the lack of relating it to the community

here stupid......


look up this name

Ahmad al-Muhajir (820-924) (Arabic: أحمد المهاجر‎) also known as Al-Imam Ahmad bin Isa was the descendant of Ali bin Abu Talib and Fatimah bint Muhammad, the daughter of Muhammad. He was the son of ‘Isa the son of 'Ali al-Uraidhi[SUP][1][/SUP] who was the fourth son of Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq, a fifth generation descendant of the Prophet Muhammad. His full name is Ahmad ibn Isa Ar-Rumi ibn Muhammad An-Naqib ibn 'Ali al-Uraidhi ibn Ja'far al-Sadiq ibn Muhammad al-Baqir ibn Zayn al-Abidin ibn al-Husain ibn Ali bin Abu Talib. He is thought to have been born in 241 Hijrah (820 CE).[SUP][2][/SUP]
Al-Imam Ahmad bin Isa is called Al-Muhajir (emigrant) because he left Basra, Iraq during the Abbassid Caliphate that was headquartered in Baghdad in the year 317H (896 CE). He first went to Madinah and Mecca, and then from Mecca to Yemen at around 319H.


now tell me the word was "invented" to describe the retarded pig from edgware and his sad pathetic woshippers like you

 

[UKPakistani]

@gotti

You asserted that Gen Karamat was Punjabi but

Gen Karamat was born in Karachi to Urdu Speaking parents .............. How is he Punjabi what is HIS connection to Punjab ?

 

[gotti]

@gotti

You asserted that Gen Karamat was Punjabi but

Gen Karamat was born in Karachi to Urdu Speaking parents .............. How is he Punjabi what is HIS connection to Punjab ?

Ethnically. But here, I'll let you have one. Make a difference in the overall point?

 

[hans]

Ask this same question to any Bangladeshi and see what he says.

Secondly Punjab works on the principle called "Point man". If any one knows what Point man means in Army terminology.. you will understand.

For those who do not know what Point man means .... read below.

"A soldier who is assigned to a position some distance ahead of a patrol as a lookout". and some time the first person to be shot and killed by enemy fire.

Hum !!! now let see how many Pakistani leaders were not Punjabi.

 

[UKPakistani]

Ethnically. But here, I'll let you have one. Make a difference in the overall point?

Yea it proves the likes of you lie about anything willingly until their lies are caught

and it takes them seven days to admit it even then, and then they say it makes no difference

but if you lie about one thing, you proaably lie about other things too, problem is, which to believe and which not ....get my drift I hope.

Better to treat it all as lies propoganda and what comes out of the backside of a Bull :)

unless you can say otherwise with proof

Ask this same question to any Bangladeshi and see what he says.

Go ahead, I am sure you know how to do that !

 

[gotti]

Its not about nature but trend. British raj were able to only find traitors in good numbers in the above area so they carved out a propaganda of martial races and non-martial races.

The Baloch, Sindhi and Saraiki masses in general didn't recognise the colonial rule and therefore stood up against the raj. But this doesn't mean that Punjabis or Pukhtuns were traitors but what I mean was that traitors were found in good numbers then in those areas.

As we all know the Pakistan army that was named in 1947 consisted of the same people who till 13th August 1947 were openly serving the colonial empire.

Excellent point about the masses of the respective ethnicities that you just mentioned above. Did you ever wonder why these "masses" didn't accept the British rule?

The answer will be in the British rule of the 1600s that existed in Britain under the name of "feudalism" or in Pakistan we call it Jageerdari under Sardars or Waderas (equivalent of the Feudals of that time in Britain).

These masses don't even have a say in their own existence, let alone a political system. The leaders of the respective ethnicities have made these people their "riyaya", which means that they are the submitters to their leaders or in other words, Slaves or Muslims to the Demi-gods known as their leaders. Astaghfirullah

I wonder why Bhutto's socialism and rising up of the labourers did not take root in those lands till date? Maybe because these people are peasants and its Maoism that deals with that and not Bhutto's inspiration, Leninism, even though he said we should dress like the Chinese. In either case, I would also like to request you to get rid of Abida Hussain, Saleh Hayat and many other similar places including Baluchistan and Sindh (especially Naudero) so we know that you are truly a "people's" party and not just sloganeering as a means of deception.

Until you reply, I will be pondering on what you said and try to correlate that with the intellect that you showcase here and wonder if you're ignorant to not realize that this "anti-establishment" stance drives its support from those who aren't even allowed an education, health care or anything even close to a basic human lifestyle while their "owners" believe they have it as their birthright to do what they do (Raping women at will, ceasing property, and much worse)

Did Lal Shahbaz Qalandar speak of Allah being his master and went into transcendence through that or was it through a corrupt and shameless "peer" like Gilani (nauzobillah). I am not a PTI guy so mentioning SMQ won't do you any favours and neither would him being accepted into PTI. The real question is, why is the party of the "masses" a home to such people (SMQ was in it, then) to begin with. How can these "peers" be revolutionaries and "mazlooms" fighting against so called oppression of the establishment when they are tyrannical oppressors themselves?

 

[UKPakistani]

:lol: @UKPakistani the idiot

You guys should vote for Punjabi-nationalists and supremacists like Nawaz in the future, as that is highly reflective of your small-minded thinking and not inclusive like Imran, who at this point has all Mohajirs in his top brass.

I am not a PTI guy so mentioning SMQ won't do you any favours and neither would him being accepted into PTI. The real question is, why is the party of the "masses" a home to such people (SMQ was in it, then) to begin with. How can these "peers" be revolutionaries and "mazlooms" fighting against so called oppression of the establishment when they are tyrannical oppressors themselves?

Someone make sense of this "man" please...............

Imran Khan is surrounded by ALL Mohajirs, who are making PTI a home to tyrannical oppressors............
[MENTION=18472]gotti[/MENTION] maybe you now mean anyone who changes political parties PPP to PML N PPP to PTI etc are all "Mohajirs"..

 

[Qalandari]

Excellent point about the masses of the respective ethnicities that you just mentioned above. Did you ever wonder why these "masses" didn't accept the British rule?

The answer will be in the British rule of the 1600s that existed in Britain under the name of "feudalism" or in Pakistan we call it Jageerdari under Sardars or Waderas (equivalent of the Feudals of that time in Britain).

These masses don't even have a say in their own existence, let alone a political system. The leaders of the respective ethnicities have made these people their "riyaya", which means that they are the submitters to their leaders or in other words, Slaves or Muslims to the Demi-gods known as their leaders. Astaghfirullah

I wonder why Bhutto's socialism and rising up of the labourers did not take root in those lands till date? Maybe because these people are peasants and its Maoism that deals with that and not Bhutto's inspiration, Leninism, even though he said we should dress like the Chinese. In either case, I would also like to request you to get rid of Abida Hussain, Saleh Hayat and many other similar places including Baluchistan and Sindh (especially Naudero) so we know that you are truly a "people's" party and not just sloganeering as a means of deception.

Until you reply, I will be pondering on what you said and try to correlate that with the intellect that you showcase here and wonder if you're ignorant to not realize that this "anti-establishment" stance drives its support from those who aren't even allowed an education, health care or anything even close to a basic human lifestyle while their "owners" believe they have it as their birthright to do what they do (Raping women at will, ceasing property, and much worse)

Did Lal Shahbaz Qalandar speak of Allah being his master and went into transcendence through that or was it through a corrupt and shameless "peer" like Gilani (nauzobillah). I am not a PTI guy so mentioning SMQ won't do you any favours and neither would him being accepted into PTI. The real question is, why is the party of the "masses" a home to such people (SMQ was in it, then) to begin with. How can these "peers" be revolutionaries and "mazlooms" fighting against so called oppression of the establishment when they are tyrannical oppressors themselves?

I couldn't find any solid point which needed a sound response. Your knowledge and information about PPP etc is superficial and flawed. You need to take of the biased goggles before you perish in ignorance.........and I seriously mean it.

 

[Qalandari]

Watch Kamran Shahids show on feudal lords such as Saleh Hayat who was in BBs government at one point. I find it ironic that mistreatment of millions in feudal lands by those affiliated with PPP doesn't need a response and neither does the point regarding the backwardness of the people of Naudero.

Maybe my tone was "badgering" and I should instead post my points as a query. Why is Naudero's populace so far behind in Pakistan despite the wealthy Bhutto's core political base and final abode being there?

Why are Jageerdars associated with PPP and Q treating millions of Pakistanis as "riyaya" and why isn't a single act of social justice implemented in these areas whereas PPP advocates the same for urban areas, governmental positions and others are also completely in target under any political discourse initiated by the PPP?

Not addressing these points would amount to condoning the system of Jageerdari that is well documented and at worst, it could mean ignorance on your part of not being informed about this extremely disappointing social ill that exists within our system and cause of our country's downfall.

Essentially, I am trying to figure out if there's ideology at play or just power politics with the intention of grabbing power?

In my discussions with sectarian and political idealists and self-appointed defenders and workers of many parties, I have always come across some ideological points except for the PPP circa 2007. Help me out in understanding this, if you can.

I believe you think that Naudero and Jhang are the only under developed areas of Pakistan. The rest is shining Pakistan and Lahore and Karachi are equivalent to Paris :)

Faisal Hayat isn't a jagirdar, don't give me Kamran Shahid's bs.

Can you name a few feudals who belong to PPP ?

Being rich is no sin, it's the feudal mindset not the feudal which needs condemnation.

 

[rana14801]

matlab yeh kay ranon ko fauj main lo kyunkay woh behtar qaum hain warna fauj toot jayegi

hindu zaat paat ki baat kernay waalon kay mun say nishan e haider aur shuhada ki baat achi nahi lagti rana sahab

yaad rakhiye ga ghuroor ka sar neecha hota hai...'71 main hathyaar dalay thay aur kargil main dum daba kay amreeka bhagay thay aur jo Kashmir aapkay paas hai woh wazirion aur pathanon nay dilwaya tha

Humaray behtareen pilot bhi Bengali thay jaisay kay mm alam aur 67 main Israel kay jahaz giranay walay bhi Bengali thay. Aur 65 main punjab nahi balkay sindh kay hur nay rajasthan main qabza kiya tha jis wajah say aap kehtay hain kay humne woh jang jeeti kyunkay ilaqa zyada humaray haath main tha. hindu aur sikh uss waqt lahore main ghum rahay thay aur gymkhanay main naashta kernay ki baatain ker rahay thay

Musalmaan kay liye sirf aik vacchan hai aur woh hai kay maut siwaye Islam kay dairay kay, kisi aur haalat main nahi qabul keraingay. Iss main Rajput kay hinduana vachhan ki gunjaaish nahi

yeh Pak fauj aur Pak watan kay kitnay tukray kerna chahtay hain? Punjab kay liye mulk nahi banaya, barr e sagheer e hind kay musalmaanon kay liye banaya hai

baaqi qaumon ko bhi pata hona chahiye hai kay yeh unka mulk hai aur agar koi qaum, qaumiyat kay naam per mulk per qabza keray to mulk ko toro nahi, apnay haq haasil kero. Aap log 60% hain? Baaqi 40% hain? Iss baat per itra rahay hain?

40% kharay ho ker mulk waapis lay laingay aur central Punjab main unhain koi rokay ga nahi kyunkay tareekh main her jangju quwwat ko hamesha uss khittay main "safe passage" mila hai. Aaj bhi lotagardi aur dictators aur kisi bhi party, chahay Bhutto ya Benazir ya Musharraf, sabko yahan ba asaani apni najaiz hakumat qaaim kernay ka sharf haasil hua hai kyunkay iss ilaqay kay log, tareekh main hamesha bikay hain.

na to yeh mulk aapka hai aur na hi fauj. Aapki qurbanian sar aankhon per laikin badmaashi kay khilaaf Bangladesh nahi banain gay, balkay mulk main insaaf aur ittehad qaaim keraingay inshallah

My dear Gotti u r very fond of writing big paragraphs without any purposeful aim. Did i ever said in my post that i quote " iska matlab hay k ranon ko fouj main lo" i unquote.every tribe has its characteristics. This is a historical fact that Rajputes r basically fighters and hard workers. just try and study TUZAK E BABERI AND TUZUKE AKBRI books and u would find eye oppeners in it. Jut r basically hard working for agriculture, Arrain ,memom and Gujrati r better businessmen. this does not mean that they r not suitable for other jobs. exceptions r always in all the tribes. i shall again say that some of the tribes r more suitable for certain particular fields. if u cannot learn from historical facts i really pity. i shall not reply or write any more on this subject or to ur mentions any more. thanks and regards.

 

[crowbar]

Beautifully twisted the facts . Out of 7 Punjabi generals ,2 are shown as Punjabi and the rest of them are put in the category of jats ,Rajput etc . In reality Jat , Rajput and Arain etc are sub casts of Punjabi and they are as good a Punjabi as Kiyani's are.
After induction of Baluchi's and sindhi's ,as per adjutant general branch record, now the punjabi's are 88% of total induction in army.