Presence of Osama was an Intelligence Failure, Pak Army Officially Admits the CIA Stance---Unbelieva
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mrbaig
Senator (1k+ posts)
ٰیہ پہلی بار نہیں ہے حضور !۔اسلام آباد میں آئی ایس آئی کے دفتر سے چند قدم کے فاصلے پر لال مسجد میں ملا عزیز اور غازی اسلحہ جمع کر رہے تھے اور یہ ادارہ بے خبر تھا،اس کی نااہلی کی وجہ سے اتنا بڑا آپریشن کرنا پڑا۔دراصل اس ادارے کا کام ملک میں حکومتیں بنانا اور گرانا رہا ہے۔جس میں حمید گل اور اسلم بیگ جیسے جنونی پیش پیش رہے ہیں۔اب بھی اسامہ کو آئی ایس آئی کے اندر جنونی جہادیوں کی سپورٹ حاصل رہی ہوگی۔ہم شرمندہ ہیں،پورا پاکستان شرمندہ ہے۔بہت بے عزتی ہوئی ہے ساری دنیا میں۔اس کا خمیازہ اب پوری قوم بھگتے گی۔بے غیرت لیڈر فرانس کا دورہ کر رہے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔او خدا بس کر۔۔۔بس کر ،جان چھڑا اس نا اہل اور نا لائق سیاسی اور فوجی قیادت سے۔
maksyed
Siasat.pk - Blogger
if US,UK, India & rest of world says that our ISI is failed then one should decide that RAW should be closed against failure of Inteligence for Mumbai Attacks....., for 9/11 & time Square incident FBI & CIA should also be closed ....., & for London underground incident MI6 should also be closed for its failure of intelegence ..... there might be a secuirty & inteligence breaches ..... but this dose not guarantee of 100% assurance ... as ALLAH S.W.T knows everything ..... & we can not challenged him .....
biomat
Minister (2k+ posts)
Bro maksyed
Assalam-o-alaikum
I agree to your point of view..
To bro wadaich. Can we expect so called GHAZWA-E-HIND from this army..
I am still hopeful that this army can uphold our honour but v hurt deep inside.
I am still hopeful that there may be some patriotic armymen who are true mujahid.
BUT BUT.. No words to say..
Assalam-o-alaikum
I agree to your point of view..
To bro wadaich. Can we expect so called GHAZWA-E-HIND from this army..
I am still hopeful that this army can uphold our honour but v hurt deep inside.
I am still hopeful that there may be some patriotic armymen who are true mujahid.
BUT BUT.. No words to say..
mrbaig
Senator (1k+ posts)
Then be ready for such action from INDIA too for Hafiz Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim.
A.Ali.T
Minister (2k+ posts)
Brothe Maksyed,
Allah subhanahu ta'ala knows everything, does not mean that we, muslims, should know nothing. For how long are you going to take this plea of stupidity, ignorance and incompetence.
I don't think any one in his sane mind would ask for ISI or other agencies be shut down. However, we must acknowledge our failure in both incidences, firstly not knowing that OBL was hiding in Pakistan and secondly that forces from US came in our country and did the operation.
Time has come that we should improve our police and surveillance capabilities. We should also develop some kind of immediate response teams. I am surprised that in OBL's case no one is questioning our police and local authorities. It is really shameful that he was living in Abbottabad and no one knew about that. I think time has come for a major overhaul of our sytem.
crankthskunk
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Brother Biomat,
I have spent so much time to write and clarify the issues, time line, presence of Pakistani officials on the ground, and you say you are still hopeful. They are going to accept the responsibilities for the failure of intelligence. This is their deal with Americans. This conference is part of the plan to show to the country, they have accepted the responsibilities and issued a statement that such incident would not be tolerated again. Kiyani said this after the drone attacks on Tribal Jirga only a month or so ago. Since then check if there were more drone attacks or not?
Please learn brother, these people are all still working on American agenda and on their directions. It is as clear as day and night, if you can not see, may Allah SWT make you realise, Ameen.
canadian
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Kayani orders probe into intelligence failure, seeks cut in US personnel !!!
Kayani orders probe into intelligence failure, seeks cut in US personnel
Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:42 PM
ISLAMABAD, May 5: Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani ordered on Thursday an investigation into the intelligence failure in detecting the presence of Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in his Abbottabad hideout under the army`s nose; and for determining how the US carried out the operation `Geronimo` without the Pakistan military getting wind of it. The directives for a broad-based military inquiry were given at a corps commanders conference at the GHQ as the army decided on an immediate reduction in the US military presence in the country in
protest against the `unilateral American operation` in which the fugitive Al Qaeda chief with $25 million bounty on his head was killed.
An investigation has been ordered into the circumstances that led to this situation, a military spokesman said after the conference which focused exclusively on the May 2 pre-dawn US raid and its implications. But he did not share the scope and terms of reference of the inquiry.
In the aftermath of the incident, the military and the ISI have faced numerous questions, with almost everyone asking how it was possible for Osama to live unnoticed at the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul`s doorway for years without any support.
But more importantly, the general public, upset over the liberty with which the US Navy SEAL strike team was able to conduct the operation a brazen affront to Pakistan`s sovereignty have started asking about the utility of huge defence budget and the army`s ability to protect strategic installations.
Although the mood at the conference, the army`s topmost forum for discussing matters relating to defence, was that of betrayal by the US, the red-faced army brass addressed some of the concerns being expressed publicly.
A statement issued after the conference admitted inadequacies in military`s intelligence gathering and simultaneously sought to reassure the nation about security arrangements for strategic installations and the military`s resolve to defend the country`s sovereignty.
As regards the possibility of similar hostile action against our strategic assets, the forum reaffirmed that unlike an undefended civilian compound, our strategic assets are well protected and an elaborate defensive mechanism is in place, it said.
About the intelligence failure in noticing Osama`s presence in Abbottabad, an effort was clearly made through the media statement to apportion blame to dysfunctional intelligence sharing with CIA.
Military officials said it was the ISI which had initially provided a lead on Osama in the shape of cellphone details of his most trusted courier Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, which the CIA pursued and developed but did not share with the ISI and instead went ahead unilaterally to kill the Al Qaeda leader.
In the case of Osama bin Laden, while the CIA developed intelligence based on initial information provided by the ISI, it did not share further development of intelligence on the case with ISI, contrary to the existing practice between the two services, the ISPR statement maintained. Gen Kayani warned the US against any similar undertaking in future. The COAS made it very clear that any similar action, violating the sovereignty of Pakistan, will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the US, the statement said.
In a bid to convey his unease over the operation and that inaction over the raid should not be taken as his tacit endorsement, the army chief announced a reduction in the number of US military personnel in Pakistan.
However, the demand for reduction in the strength of US military personnel, some of them providing training to paramilitary forces in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and others engaged in joint technical projects, was initially made by Gen Kayani almost three weeks before the Abbottabad operation when military officials of the two countries were discussing ways of mending the strained military-to-military ties.
Gen Kayani is reported to be looking at 25 to 40 per cent cut in the number of US Special Operations personnel based in Pakistan.
Responding to his Indian counterpart Gen V.K. Singh`s claim that his (Indian) forces were competent to carry out an operation similar to the one carried out by the US forces, Gen Kayani said: Any misadventure of this kind will be responded to very strongly. There should be no doubt about it.(http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/06/kaya...failure-seeks-cut-in-us-personnel.html/print/)
Kayani orders probe into intelligence failure, seeks cut in US personnel
Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:42 PM
ISLAMABAD, May 5: Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani ordered on Thursday an investigation into the intelligence failure in detecting the presence of Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in his Abbottabad hideout under the army`s nose; and for determining how the US carried out the operation `Geronimo` without the Pakistan military getting wind of it. The directives for a broad-based military inquiry were given at a corps commanders conference at the GHQ as the army decided on an immediate reduction in the US military presence in the country in
protest against the `unilateral American operation` in which the fugitive Al Qaeda chief with $25 million bounty on his head was killed.
An investigation has been ordered into the circumstances that led to this situation, a military spokesman said after the conference which focused exclusively on the May 2 pre-dawn US raid and its implications. But he did not share the scope and terms of reference of the inquiry.
In the aftermath of the incident, the military and the ISI have faced numerous questions, with almost everyone asking how it was possible for Osama to live unnoticed at the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul`s doorway for years without any support.
But more importantly, the general public, upset over the liberty with which the US Navy SEAL strike team was able to conduct the operation a brazen affront to Pakistan`s sovereignty have started asking about the utility of huge defence budget and the army`s ability to protect strategic installations.
Although the mood at the conference, the army`s topmost forum for discussing matters relating to defence, was that of betrayal by the US, the red-faced army brass addressed some of the concerns being expressed publicly.
A statement issued after the conference admitted inadequacies in military`s intelligence gathering and simultaneously sought to reassure the nation about security arrangements for strategic installations and the military`s resolve to defend the country`s sovereignty.
As regards the possibility of similar hostile action against our strategic assets, the forum reaffirmed that unlike an undefended civilian compound, our strategic assets are well protected and an elaborate defensive mechanism is in place, it said.
About the intelligence failure in noticing Osama`s presence in Abbottabad, an effort was clearly made through the media statement to apportion blame to dysfunctional intelligence sharing with CIA.
Military officials said it was the ISI which had initially provided a lead on Osama in the shape of cellphone details of his most trusted courier Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, which the CIA pursued and developed but did not share with the ISI and instead went ahead unilaterally to kill the Al Qaeda leader.
In the case of Osama bin Laden, while the CIA developed intelligence based on initial information provided by the ISI, it did not share further development of intelligence on the case with ISI, contrary to the existing practice between the two services, the ISPR statement maintained. Gen Kayani warned the US against any similar undertaking in future. The COAS made it very clear that any similar action, violating the sovereignty of Pakistan, will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the US, the statement said.
In a bid to convey his unease over the operation and that inaction over the raid should not be taken as his tacit endorsement, the army chief announced a reduction in the number of US military personnel in Pakistan.
However, the demand for reduction in the strength of US military personnel, some of them providing training to paramilitary forces in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and others engaged in joint technical projects, was initially made by Gen Kayani almost three weeks before the Abbottabad operation when military officials of the two countries were discussing ways of mending the strained military-to-military ties.
Gen Kayani is reported to be looking at 25 to 40 per cent cut in the number of US Special Operations personnel based in Pakistan.
Responding to his Indian counterpart Gen V.K. Singh`s claim that his (Indian) forces were competent to carry out an operation similar to the one carried out by the US forces, Gen Kayani said: Any misadventure of this kind will be responded to very strongly. There should be no doubt about it.(http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/06/kaya...failure-seeks-cut-in-us-personnel.html/print/)
