Quran ko Mohtaj-e-Ahadees qarar dayna

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
قرآن نہیں مسلمان رسول اللہ کے محتاج ہیں. اللہ نے صرف کتاب نہیں دی کتاب کی تعلیم دینے کے لئے رسول اللہ کو مبعوث بھی فرمایا

وہی تو ہے جس نے امیوں لوگوں میں ان ہی میں سے ایک رسول بھیجا ہے جو ان پر اللہ کی آیات کی تلاوت کرتا ہے اور ان کو پاک کرتا ہے۔ وہ ان کو کتاب کی تعلیم دیتا ہے اور ان کو حکمت و دانائی کی باتیں سکھاتا ہے۔ اگرچہ وہ اسے پہلے کھلی ہوئی گمراہی میں پڑے ہوئے تھے۔"؛


 

The Great Man

Councller (250+ posts)
And We have revealed the Book to you which has a clear explanation of everything, and guidance, mercy, and good news for those who submit." (Qur'an 16:89)
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
جو خود قرآن مجید سمجھنے کے لئے شیدے میدے کے محتاج ہیں وہ لوگوں کو بتا رہے ہیں کے قرآن مجید سمجھنے کے لئے حدیث کے محتاج نہیں ہیں
 
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The Great Man

Councller (250+ posts)
Muslims should not rely on the Ulema to learn the fundamentals of the Quran.
The mullahcracy has ripped apart the true fabric of Deene Islam, by introducing the parallel religion of man-made books.
 

Pak_1

MPA (400+ posts)
قرآن نہیں مسلمان رسول اللہ کے محتاج ہیں. اللہ نے صرف کتاب نہیں دی کتاب کی تعلیم دینے کے لئے رسول اللہ کو مبعوث بھی فرمایا

وہی تو ہے جس نے امیوں لوگوں میں ان ہی میں سے ایک رسول بھیجا ہے جو ان پر اللہ کی آیات کی تلاوت کرتا ہے اور ان کو پاک کرتا ہے۔ وہ ان کو کتاب کی تعلیم دیتا ہے اور ان کو حکمت و دانائی کی باتیں سکھاتا ہے۔ اگرچہ وہ اسے پہلے کھلی ہوئی گمراہی میں پڑے ہوئے تھے۔"؛



HAfiz Atif Sahab sirf aain bhain shain krty hain , translation ko toor maroor kr byan kr ky apna agenda agar krny ki nakaam koshish kr rahay hain, aisay pahlay bhe aai or chalay gaem , yea aayat ko explain kum krta hy dusray logo ko taunt krna maqsad hota hy

yea aazad zindagi guzarna chahtay hain kuch krna bhe na paray or jannat mil jae

yea khud ky guilt ko khatam krny ki aik koshish hy nothing else

Tauheed , ALLAH ki mohannat to Allah ny Insaan main daal de hy bus us ko samaghna hy , ALLAH kisi ka mohtaaj nahi , mohtaaj Insaan hy

jis principal ki base pr yea hadith ko reject krty hain ussi principal pr Athiest Quran ka inkaar krty hain.

Quran bhe at the end of the day print hua hy kisi ny leekha kisi ny aarab lagai kisi ny pronounce krny ky aasool batai ,


any ways yea agenda lay kr aai hain aisa agenda jis sy ain ka khud ka nuksaan hy
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
اللہ مسلمانوں کو مولوی حافظ کے فتنے سے بچائے۔​
 

Pak_1

MPA (400+ posts)
اللہ مسلمانوں کو مولوی حافظ کے فتنے سے بچائے۔​

aik sawal aaya hy yea hadith ko mukir kia cockroach pr degar keeray makooray bhe khatay hain kia , ????

just dhai min ky video main khud yea hafiz sahab fail ho gae ,
 

The Great Man

Councller (250+ posts)
5:104
And when it is said to them, 'Come to what God has revealed, and to the Messenger,' they say, 'Sufficient for us is what we found our forefathers upon.' Even if their forefathers knew nothing, and were not guided
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
4:80
He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
24:56
And establish prayer and give zakah and obey the Messenger - that you may receive mercy.
 

The Great Man

Councller (250+ posts)
6:116
If you were to obey most of those on earth, they would divert you from God's path. They follow nothing but assumptions, and they only conjecture
 

The Great Man

Councller (250+ posts)
"Obey God and the messenger" in the Quran
And they claim that 'obey God' refers to the Quran, and 'obey the messenger' with the books of Hadith and Sunna
So they believe 'obey God and the messenger' is to follow two different sources.
So let's study the phrase 'obey God and the messenger' from a Quranic point of view
The first Observation: The Quran always says 'obey God and the messenger'.
Never does it say 'obey the prophet' or 'obey Muhammad'?
It is always 'obey God and the messenger'
So it is important to understand what the term 'messenger' (Rasool) means.
And why God did not say 'obey the prophet (nabi)'?
Muhammad had two statuses: The status of NUBUWA (prophethood) And the status of RASOOL (messenger)
The status of NUBUWA - the word NUBUWA means 'high or elevated place'.
This means that God has chosen Muhammad, out of all the humans, to communicate with him certain news, prophecies, etc.
So the status of NUBUWA (prophet) means that a human being is communicating with God.
The status of RASOOL - God tells us the status of RASOOL in the Quran:
(5:67) O messenger, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not delivered His message...
We see that God clearly tells us the duty of the messenger is to deliver the message of God
God also says: (24:54) ...there is nothing upon the messenger except the clear delivery...
This teaches us that the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message to the people
So if God did not give Muhammad the 'message', then he would not be called 'messenger' (Rasool).
So God calls him 'Rasool because Muhammad is carrying the 'message'.
What is this message that Muhammad carried? The messenger himself answers this in the Quran:
(6:19) ...this Quran has inspired me to deliver it to you and whoever it reaches...
All these verses teach us that the duty of a messenger is to deliver the message.
Muhammad - the messenger - is required to send us the Quran
So when God says "obey the messenger" we are essentially obeying the 'message' itself
Another observation: God says in the Quran (4:80) "Whoever obeys the messenger, has obeyed God..."
This means when we obey the messenger - the message - the Quran, we have in reality obeyed God
All these verses teach us that 'obey God and the messenger' is essentially obeying ONE source - the Quran
Let's assume that the Quran tells us "obey God" without mentioning obeying the messenger. How would we do that?
This would mean that God Himself would have to come to earth and give us the Quran directly
This of course is illogical
This is why we are to 'obey God and the messenger' - because God gave Muhammad 'the message' which makes him a messenger
And the messenger is required to deliver it to humanity.
So this is what 'obey God and the messenger' means from the Quran.
"Obey God and the messenger" is essentially ONE source - the Quran.

We obey the messenger because he has the 'message'
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
کیا قرآن مجید سمجھنے کے لئے حافظ عاطف کی محتاجی ضروری ہے؟
 

shehzadakram

MPA (400+ posts)
جو خود قرآن مجید سمجھنے کے لئے شیدے میدے کے محتاج ہیں وہ لوگوں کو بتا رہے ہیں کے قرآن مجید سمجھنے کے لئے حدیث کے محتاج نہیں ہیں

Muslims should not rely on the Ulema to learn the fundamentals of the Quran.
The mullahcracy has ripped apart the true fabric of Deene Islam, by introducing the parallel religion of man-made books.

aik sawal aaya hy yea hadith ko mukir kia cockroach pr degar keeray makooray bhe khatay hain kia , ????

just dhai min ky video main khud yea hafiz sahab fail ho gae ,

If we accept the faulty logic of this Man then one stupid man would go as far as saying:

O jee Allah ko Rasool Ka Mohtaaj Kerna
O Jee Rasool Ko Kitab Ka Mohtaaj kerna
O Jee Rasool ko Jibrael ka Mohtaaj kerna!
O Jee Kitab lo Language ka Arabic Language Ka Mohtaaj Kerna

Good that Prophet was not born in India/Pakistan werna in logoun nay Demagh kee lassi bana deni thee!