shehzadakram
MPA (400+ posts)
I thought the topic was " Quran ko Hadith Ka Mohtaaj kerna" . Can we stick to it and not jump left n right.
Quran ko Mohtaj-e-Ahadees qarar dayna
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The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
What do you want to discuss about the topic?
Islam is a deen= a governing system for humanity. It is neither secularism nor mazhab instead it is anti secularism and anti mazhab.
The quran is foundation of deen of islam or islamic way of life. The detail of this way of life does not and cannot come from the quran. This is why the need for hadith. However even hadith is not sufficient to cover all the needed detail and that is why we need fiqh. Because world constantly and continuously changes therefore the need for qayaas and ijma of the ummah when we need to form laws or need to make changes in the constitution based upon the program, goals and guidelines of the quran.
Problem is not with principles of deen of islam but how they are misinterpreted by ignorant mullaans and their blind followers. Who look at things in religious and secure context rather than in the context of islam being a governing system.
Mullaans have no idea what the exact purpose of the revelation of the quran is. This is why they have no proper context within which to look at the quran, hadith, fiqh etc. This is why the whole ummah is confused.
This is the reason today pakistan is going through constitutional and legislative crisis due to ignorance based arrogance of its people. Our education system, be it from government or madrassas is not leading people towards any worthy clear direction.
The quran is foundation of deen of islam or islamic way of life. The detail of this way of life does not and cannot come from the quran. This is why the need for hadith. However even hadith is not sufficient to cover all the needed detail and that is why we need fiqh. Because world constantly and continuously changes therefore the need for qayaas and ijma of the ummah when we need to form laws or need to make changes in the constitution based upon the program, goals and guidelines of the quran.
Problem is not with principles of deen of islam but how they are misinterpreted by ignorant mullaans and their blind followers. Who look at things in religious and secure context rather than in the context of islam being a governing system.
Mullaans have no idea what the exact purpose of the revelation of the quran is. This is why they have no proper context within which to look at the quran, hadith, fiqh etc. This is why the whole ummah is confused.
This is the reason today pakistan is going through constitutional and legislative crisis due to ignorance based arrogance of its people. Our education system, be it from government or madrassas is not leading people towards any worthy clear direction.
Anyone who wants to discuss about Quran and Hadith and other fiqah stuff must first learn Arabic language with all its advance grammar and vocabulary. Only then you will be able to figure out what is right or wrong. If you copy and paste English or Urdu translations and rely on that is wrong.
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
According to your logic, all Arabs must be masters in interpretation, debate, and commentary on the Quran.
Just so you know, the Arabic in the Quran is not the same as what is spoken in the Arab world. They can read it, but they lack the ability to comprehend the true meaning and essence of the Quran.
For any book to comprehend it in its true essence, it is important to know that language. Or you have to rely on translations which you may agree or disagree to. BTW most of Arabs struggle with Arabic language (Fusha') than any other language or subject.
The Great Man
Councller (250+ posts)
The internet has made it possible to learn the Quran in a variety of ways. There are various Quran translations available on the internet, but you must do some research to understand the fundamental message of the Quran.
Phantu
MPA (400+ posts)
Absolutly true.
First step is to listen people of different opinion and try to think and understand them, and simultaniously try to learn language of Quran. But it takes time and effort to grasp good and confident level of any language.
Citizen X
President (40k+ posts)
These are excellent videos laying bare the whole "sahih" of sahih Bhukari, Abu Layth has also done similar but not so detailed about the other sahih's as well. I've been trying to get people to watch these but you know people are just not willing to put in even the bare minimum effort.
