Rejecting Reason in the name of Islam

[Wake up Pak]

 

[Wake up Pak]

One of the reasons for Muslim's downfall is that they closed thier minds to think rationally and logically. So-called Muslims are blind followers of thier ancestors and Mullah, and they don't bother to question them when it comes to religion.
The world is progressing in leaps and bounds and our so-called "Muslim Ummah" is deranged in nonsensical and pathetic debates like whether the earth is flat or round if it is static or revolves around the sun, etc.
Just a few years back the ignorant Mullahs were against the loudspeakers, human pictures, and TV, but now these are Halal., When the printing press was invented, many religious leaders opposed its use. I can go on, but I wanted to give a glimpse of the reason for Muslim's downfall.
Muslims experienced a golden age from the 9th century to around the 12th century, during which significant advancements were made in human anatomy, astronomy, the dimensions of the Earth, mathematics, and various other fields. However, during this time, the influence of religious clerics, often referred to as the "Mullacracy," began to take hold within Muslim societies and thier downfall started.

 

[taban]

مسلمانوں کی تباہی کا ذمہ دار دین اور دنیا کے علم سے دوری ہے ملا نے انہیں حوروں کے ساتھ سیکس کے چکر میں پھنسا دیا ہے کچھ سال پہلے کراچی میں ایک خود کش بمبار پکڑا گیا تھا جس نے لوہے کا کچھا پہنا ہوا تھا پوچھنے پر اس نے بتایا کہ کچھا آلہ تناسل کی حفاظت کے لئے پہنا ہے تاکہ مرنے کے بعد جب جنت میں حوریں ملیں تو انکے ساتھ سیکس کے لئے سب سے ضروری ہتھیار دھماکے میں تباہ نہ ہو چکا ہو ملا اسلام کے سب سے بڑے دشمن ہیں

دینِ کافر فکر و تدبر و اجتہاد
دیِن ملا فی سبیل اللہ فساد​

 

[M_Shameer]

جتنا کوئی شخص اسلام کے قریب ہوگا وہ اتنا ہی سائنس، لاجک اور ریزننگ سے دور ہوگا۔ پاکستان جیسے اسلامی معاشروں میں اسی لئے سائنسی ذہن پیدا نہیں ہوسکے کیونکہ پیدا ہوتے ہی ہر بچے کے سر پر اسلام کا خول چڑھادیا جاتا ہے جو اسے دولے شاہ کا چوہا بنا کر اس سے سوچنے سمجھنے کی صلاحیت چھین لیتا ہے اور پھر وہ دولے شاہ کا چوہا ساری زندگی اپنے سر پر چڑھے اس خول کے دفاع میں گزار دیتا ہے جس کو اس نے خود کیلئے منتخب بھی نہیں کیا ہوتا۔۔ اگر کسی معاشرے نے ترقی کرنی ہے تو اسے "مذہب" نامی صدیوں پرانی جاہلانہ روایات کے پلندے کو ردی کی ٹوکری میں پھینکنا ہوگا۔۔ ​

 

[Wake up Pak]

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When we read the Qur’an, we notice that it appeals to human reasoning and invites us to reason.
Among many verses in this regard, consider these: “How little you reflect” (A’raf 7:3), “God sets those who do not use their reason in a mire of uncleanness” (Yunus 10:100), “And in the alteration of night and day, and the provision (rain) God sends down from the sky and reviving thereby the earth after its death, and His turning about of the winds there are clear signs for a people who can reason” (Jathiya 45:5). “…We set out in detail the signs for people who will reason and understand” (Rum 30:28). According to the Qur’an, using reason is a necessary condition for humans to attain belief in God. One of the arguments disbelievers use to justify their rejection of tawhid (belief in the oneness of God) is that they found their ancestors worshipping idols. The Qur’an challenges this argument and invites them to think for themselves: “When he [Abraham] said to his father and his people: ‘What is it that you worship?’ they said, ‘We worship idols, and we are ever devoted to them.’ Abraham said: ‘Do they hear you when you invoke them? Or do they benefit you or harm you?’ They replied: ‘But we found our forefathers doing the same.’ Abraham said: ‘So, have you considered what you have been worshipping?’” (Shuara 26:70-75). Prophet Abraham, peace be upon him, is an example of a person who rejects his father’s beliefs when he realizes that what he was doing did not make any sense, and did not stand up against logical reasoning.

Given the emphasis of the Qur’an on logical reasoning, it is understood that its audience (all of mankind) is expected to have a basic understanding of logical principles. It is our purpose in this article to go over a few basic principles of logic and give examples of how they are used in the Qur’an.

جتنا کوئی شخص اسلام کے قریب ہوگا وہ اتنا ہی سائنس، لاجک اور ریزننگ سے دور ہوگا۔ پاکستان جیسے اسلامی معاشروں میں اسی لئے سائنسی ذہن پیدا نہیں ہوسکے کیونکہ پیدا ہوتے ہی ہر بچے کے سر پر اسلام کا خول چڑھادیا جاتا ہے جو اسے دولے شاہ کا چوہا بنا کر اس سے سوچنے سمجھنے کی صلاحیت چھین لیتا ہے اور پھر وہ دولے شاہ کا چوہا ساری زندگی اپنے سر پر چڑھے اس خول کے دفاع میں گزار دیتا ہے جس کو اس نے خود کیلئے منتخب بھی نہیں کیا ہوتا۔۔ اگر کسی معاشرے نے ترقی کرنی ہے تو اسے "مذہب" نامی صدیوں پرانی جاہلانہ روایات کے پلندے کو ردی کی ٹوکری میں پھینکنا ہوگا۔۔ ​

Mayray zati khayal may mazhab aur science saath saath chal saktay hain Laykin hamaray mullah nay science ko aik ghair islami subject keh kar muslamanoon ko soochnay samjhnay say qasir kar diya hay. koi sawal karay you ous ko bitha diya jata hay ya koi fatwa garh daay taay hain kay yeah sawal karna haram hay bus ankhain bundh kar kay accept kar lo.
Mullah jis mazhab ka bhi ho who nahi chahay ga kay ouski lagi rozi per koi laat maaray.

In the 124 years of Nobel Prize history, there were 488 Nobel prizes awarded, and only 3 Muslims got the Nobel Prize, and 3 of them did thier research work not in their native country.

 

[Wake up Pak]

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The Muslims were foremost military and economic power in the world, the leader in the arts and sciences of civilization. Christian Europe was seen as an outer darkness of barbarism and unbelief from which there was nothing to learn or to fear. And then everything changed. The West won victory after victory, first on the battlefield and then in the marketplace.
Everything that happens in this world is controlled by the well-known Laws of Nature. The same is true of the rise and fall of a nation. The Quran in one of its chapters gives substance to this law thus:
“God does not change the condition of a people’s lot unless they change what is in their hearts”. (Quran; 13:11)

 

[M_Shameer]

Mayray zati khayal may mazhab aur science saath saath chal saktay hain Laykin hamaray mullah nay science ko aik ghair islami subject keh kar muslamanoon ko soochnay samjhnay say qasir kar diya hay. koi sawal karay you ous ko bitha diya jata hay ya koi fatwa garh daay taay hain kay yeah sawal karna haram hay bus ankhain bundh kar kay accept kar lo.
Mullah jis mazhab ka bhi ho who nahi chahay ga kay ouski lagi rozi per koi laat maaray.

In the 124 years of Nobel Prize history, there were 488 Nobel prizes awarded, and only 3 Muslims got the Nobel Prize, and 3 of them did thier research work not in their native country.

میرے خیال میں آج کے دور میں انسان کو مذہب کی ضرورت نہیں ہے۔ مذہب اس وقت ایجاد ہوا تھا جب انسان نظمِ کائنات کے بارے میں کچھ نہیں جانتا تھا، اسے بہت سے سوالات کے جواب چاہئیے تھے جو اس کو خدا کے نام پر بہت سے لوگوں نے گھڑ کر دیئے اور یوں مذاہب کی بنیاد پڑی۔ مگر آج کی سائنس کی روشنی میں یہ واضح ہے کہ پرانے زمانے کے ان لوگوں کے گھڑے ہوئے تمام جوابات غلط تھے۔ انسان کو جو وضاحتیں اور جوابات درکار تھے وہ سائنس نے بڑی صراحت کے ساتھ دے دئیے ہیں۔ ابھی بھی صرف وہ لوگ مذہب کے ساتھ چمٹے ہوئے جو سائنسی علوم سے دور ہیں۔ آج بھی اگر آپ کسی سکول میں اگر بچوں کو سائنس بالکل نہ پڑھائیں اور صرف قرآن پڑھائیں تو دنیا کے بارے میں اس سکول کے بچے کا علم اتنا ہی ہوگا جتنا ساتویں صدی کے کسی آدمی کا تھا۔ وہ زمین کو گول سمجھے گا۔ بارش کو اللہ کی کرامت سمجھے گا، زلزلے کو اللہ کا غصہ سمجھے گا۔ پرندے ہوا میں اسلئے اڑتے ہیں کیونکہ ان کو اللہ نے تھاما ہوا ہے، پہاڑ اس لئے ہیں کیونکہ زمین پر میخوں کی ضرورت تھی تاکہ یہ ہلے جلے نا، جانور انسان کی سواری کیلئے اور گوشت کھانے کیلئے دنیا میں ہیں۔ وغیرہ وغیرہ۔ یہ وہ علم ہے جو سائنس کو چھوڑ کر صرف قرآن پڑھ کر آپ کو ملے گا۔

ہر قوم نے اپنے مقدر کا فیصلہ خود کرنا ہوتا ہے۔ جن قوموں نے مذہب کو پرانے زمانے کی خرافات سمجھ کر رد کردیا اور سائنس کو اپنا لیا، وہ آج ستاروں پر کمندیں ڈال رہی ہیں اور جو قومیں مذہب کے ساتھ چمٹی ہوئی ہیں، وہ ابھی تک گٹر جیسی زندگی گزار رہی ہیں۔۔ ​

 

[Citizen X]

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The Muslims were foremost military and economic power in the world, the leader in the arts and sciences of civilization. Christian Europe was seen as an outer darkness of barbarism and unbelief from which there was nothing to learn or to fear. And then everything changed. The West won victory after victory, first on the battlefield and then in the marketplace.
Everything that happens in this world is controlled by the well-known Laws of Nature. The same is true of the rise and fall of a nation. The Quran in one of its chapters gives substance to this law thus:
"God does not change the condition of a people's lot unless they change what is in their hearts". (Quran; 13:11)

Quran repeats over and over again. Tadabburu, Tafakkaru. Will you not reflect, will you not ponder.

It also says to those who just follow blindly they are the worst of creatures. Now that's a pretty harsh statement.

People are afraid to think because their moulvis have told them that, and they have told them that because if people start to think and asks questions then their entire business model goes out the window as people will realize they don't need them.

Just like waderas and chaudarys don't like to have schools open in the village so the population doesnt get educated because if it does then 1. They will have no one to work their fields and number 2 and the biggest they lose control over the people.

 

[Mughal1]

illato malool ka usool aik musallam aur atal usool hai jo haqaaiqe duniya per mabni hai yani is ki bunyaad haqaaiqe duniya per hai.

ye to mumkin hai keh log cheezun ko ghalat tareeqe se aapas main jod den magar ye mumkin hi nahin hai keh jin cheezum ko kisi maqsad ke liye aapas main ghalat tareeeqe se joda gayaa ho woh drust kaam bhi karen takeh un ka aapas main jodne ka maqsad bhi poora ho sake.

lihaaza kisi secular ya religious ka ye kehna keh illato malool ka usool hi ghalat hai bajaaye khud aise shakhs ka khud ko insaaniyat se khaarij qaraar dene ke mutaraadif hai. doosre lafzun main aisa shakh ye keh rahaa hai keh woh aqlo fikar ki salahiyat hi se khaali hai. yani woh sirf aur sirf aik zinda laash hai insaani shakal main baghair dimaagh ke.

duniya main kuchh bhi kisi sahibe aqal hasti ya shai ke kerne ke baghair ho hi nahin sakta.

lihaaza na koi secular shakhs is baat se inkaar ker sakta hai aur na hi koi mazhabi shakhs.

jab bhi sawaal ho ga keh ye duniya kahaan se aaee hai to jawaab yahee ho ga keh kisi sahibe aqal hasti ne banaee hai. lihaaza duniya ke hone ko kisi hasti yani mojood sahibe aqal shai se jodna pade ga. issi jodne ko hi to reasoning explanation justification ya tojeeh kehte hen.

sawaal kerna baghair reasoning yani aqal ko istemaal kiye mumkin hi nahin hai. aap ker ke dekh len agar ker sakte hen to. yani koi na koi wajah ho gi jis ki wajah se sawaal peda ho ga. isi tarah agar sawaal hi na ho to phir jawaab bhi peda ho hi nahin sakta.

lihaaza sawaalo jawaab aqalo fikar ke baghair mumkin hi nahin hen. agar sawaalo jawaab mumkin hi na hun to insaan kuchh bhi seekh hi nahin sakte na ker sakta hai.

yaad rakhen proof aur proving bhi yahee kuchh hai.

 

[Cyber_Security]

جتنا کوئی شخص اسلام کے قریب ہوگا وہ اتنا ہی سائنس، لاجک اور ریزننگ سے دور ہوگا۔ پاکستان جیسے اسلامی معاشروں میں اسی لئے سائنسی ذہن پیدا نہیں ہوسکے کیونکہ پیدا ہوتے ہی ہر بچے کے سر پر اسلام کا خول چڑھادیا جاتا ہے جو اسے دولے شاہ کا چوہا بنا کر اس سے سوچنے سمجھنے کی صلاحیت چھین لیتا ہے اور پھر وہ دولے شاہ کا چوہا ساری زندگی اپنے سر پر چڑھے اس خول کے دفاع میں گزار دیتا ہے جس کو اس نے خود کیلئے منتخب بھی نہیں کیا ہوتا۔۔ اگر کسی معاشرے نے ترقی کرنی ہے تو اسے "مذہب" نامی صدیوں پرانی جاہلانہ روایات کے پلندے کو ردی کی ٹوکری میں پھینکنا ہوگا۔۔ ​

You can be religious and at the same time a great scientist too. Newton was a devoted Christian but he never mixed any of his inventions with his religion. But Muslim scientist try to mix their research with their religion. Dr Abdus Salam ( although he was not a Muslim but a Qadyani) revealed he learned unifying the weak nuclear force and about electromagnetism, through Quran. By the way Steven Weinburg shared the Nobel prize with Dr Salam and he discovered the same physics principle one year before Dr Salam and he was an atheist. Some people in Pakistan believe the earth is stationary and most believe theory of evolution is fake due to the same problem. I believe one can believe on any faith but one should not involve their faith in science because science is evidence based and religion is faith based.

 

[Mughal1]

 

[Wake up Pak]

but one should not involve their faith in science because science is evidence based and religion is faith based.

Scientific evidence varies in quality, and scientists change their beliefs about the truth of a claim based on the strength of the evidence.
The scientific discoveries can be changed/altered or discarded with the new emerging technologies.
Evidence-based science is either experimental or based on observation.
On the other hand, it is hard to deviate from the religion you were born into. When it comes to religion, People think emotionally not rationally.

 

[Wake up Pak]

 

[Cyber_Security]

Scientific evidence varies in quality, and scientists change their beliefs about the truth of a claim based on the strength of the evidence.
The scientific discoveries can be changed/altered or discarded with the new emerging technologies.
Evidence-based science is either experimental or based on observation.
On the other hand, it is hard to deviate from the religion you were born into. When it comes to religion, People think emotionally not rationally.

Quite true. But people change their religious understandings as well to adjust with science. I give you an example,
It is written in Quran, in sura 31, verse 34 that only God knows what is in the womb, but today we too are able to know the sex of the baby in the womb before birth. So now the Muslims scholars say it means only Allah knows the future characteristics of the child not the gender. But before the invention of Ultrasound it was commonly believed by all the Muslims that the gender of the child in the mother's womb can only be known to Allah. And that goes with every religion. In the first testament of Bible, it is written that at Qayamat time, stars will fall on earth. Atheist ridicule the Jews and say the God of the Torah didn't know the size of the stars. But now Jews respond, oh God meant figuratively. So religious people can fit anything from the latest research in science into their religion.

 

[Wake up Pak]

It is written in Quran, in sura 31, verse 34 that only God knows what is in the womb

The verse does not say that "Only" God knows what is in the womb.
Partial verse of the Quran 31:34 Indeed, Allah [alone] has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs.

 

[Cyber_Security]

The verse does not say that "Only" God knows what is in the womb.
Partial verse of the Quran 31:34 Indeed, Allah [alone] has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs.

You have [alone] written inside.
By the way , this is exactly my point . Now we look through a magnifying glass to find a different meaning. But before the invention of Ultrasound , it was a standard Muslim belief. By the way , Allah doesn't always use the word , only Allah, There are examples where Allah said, he gave life to living being. You can't say, others can give life too because Allah never said, only Allah gives lives. Allah said he would raise the dead, he would punish the unbelievers by sending them to he'll. He didn't use the word, Only him.

 

[Wake up Pak]

You have [alone] written inside.
By the way , this is exactly my point . Now we look through a magnifying glass to find a different meaning. But before the invention of Ultrasound , it was a standard Muslim belief. By the way , Allah doesn't always use the word , only Allah, There are examples where Allah said, he gave life to living being. You can't say, others can give life too because Allah never said, only Allah gives lives. Allah said he would raise the dead, he would punish the unbelievers by sending them to he'll. He didn't use the word, Only him.

I did not write alone but copied the verse. Once again Allah did not say that Only He knows what is in the womb. Now you are twisting the meaning to suit your desired post.
Is there a doubt that only Allah gave life? You are just making up things without any substance.
By the way who are Unbelievers?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Citizen X Rumi-Admirer

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866725968708272425

 

[Cyber_Security]

I did not write alone but copied the verse. Once again Allah did not say that Only He knows what is in the womb. Now you are twisting the meaning to suit your desired post.
Is there a doubt that only Allah gave life? You are just making up things without any substance.
By the way who are Unbelievers?

But it is your text of Quran ayat, which says ,alone. And you are disagreeing with your own text.

 

[Cyber_Security]

I did not write alone but copied the verse. Once again Allah did not say that Only He knows what is in the womb. Now you are twisting the meaning to suit your desired post.
Is there a doubt that only Allah gave life? You are just making up things without any substance.
By the way who are Unbelievers?

One more point, now Ultrasound technology is available almost in every country, then why did God say that he knows (and he is not the only one who knows about it) what is in a mother's womb when every AiraGheraNatho Khera can find it out too. Doesn't make sense. When God says, He knows. It means , only he knows.