Religion, Philosophy & Reason

[Citizen X]

Do you believe Islam always existed? Were prophets of their time muslims?

Of course Islam has been around since Allah created Adam. Hmm wonder where the hadith of Prophet Adam is? Was there not a Imam Bukhari in his time?

 

[observer-x]

No you dumb mushrik zindeeq those are answer to the imbecilic questions you posted! How do you know he doesn't? Blah blah.

Anyways might as well, because you mushrik zindeeqs are worse than atheist. You can teach a new person to drive properly very easily. But to correct a bad driver who has been set in his shitty ways for decades is very hard.

I like how you cover up your BS .

 

[Citizen X]

@Citizen X Of course Quran mentions logic but only for atheists.

 

[observer-x]

Of course Islam has been around since Allah created Adam. Hmm wonder where the hadith of Prophet Adam is? Was there not a Imam Bukhari in his time?

Stop obsessing about hadith. Man you guys really love hadith.

 

[Citizen X]

For everything else logic is an overkill

 

[observer-x]

Of course Islam has been around since Allah created Adam.

Were prophets of Islam throughout the time example for humans to follow?

 

[Citizen X]

For everything else logic is an overkill

"Indeed, the worst of creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason."
(Qur'an 8:22)

 

[observer-x]

Were prophets of Islam throughout the time example for humans to follow?

answer? Citizen X

 

[Citizen X]

Were prophets of Islam throughout the time example for humans to follow?

Yeah every prophet came for his people of his time. Thats why there were so many prophets during different times to many different places. Some Prophets were also given a message, so they were also messengers and they left behind the message for people to follow until Allah decided to send another Prophet or messenger. Most of the messages left behind prophesized of the coming of another prophet.

With Prophet Muhammad this series of prophethood and messages from Allah stopped. And he was given the final message for all humankind till the end of time to follow i.e The Quran. And that is what we do and suppose to do and nothing else. Since the prophethood and divine scripture from Allah stopped with the Prophet Muhammad, anything that came after the Quran is not part of the deen of Islam i.e hadith books written by defeated Persians centuries after the Prophet died with narrations falsely attributed our Prophet.

This sunni made up prophet of the hadith is NOT the Prophet of the Quran. This sunni hadithic prophet is a pedopheliac sex crazed war mongering insane person who gave mostly nonsense advice to followers.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Of course Quran mentions logic but only for atheists.

 

[observer-x]

"Indeed, the worst of creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason."
(Qur'an 8:22)

See how easily you cherry picked and left the context.

Read the two ayahs before this ayah:

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَلَا تَوَلَّوْا۟ عَنْهُ وَأَنتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ
O you who have believed, obey Allāh and His Messenger and do not turn from him while you hear [his order].

وَلَا تَكُونُوا۟ كَٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوا۟ سَمِعْنَا وَهُمْ لَا يَسْمَعُونَ
And do not be like those who say, "We have heard," while they do not hear.

The ayah you quoted IN FACT applies to you for rejecting Messenger SAW. Bingo. Subhan Allah!!

 

[Wake up Pak]

See how easily you cherry picked and left the context.

Read the two ayahs before this ayah:

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَلَا تَوَلَّوْا۟ عَنْهُ وَأَنتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ
O you who have believed, obey Allāh and His Messenger and do not turn from him while you hear [his order].

وَلَا تَكُونُوا۟ كَٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوا۟ سَمِعْنَا وَهُمْ لَا يَسْمَعُونَ
And do not be like those who say, "We have heard," while they do not hear.

The ayah you quoted IN FACT applies to you for rejecting Messenger SAW. Bingo. Subhan Allah!!

 

[observer-x]

Yeah every prophet came for his people of his time. Thats why there were so many prophets during different times to many different places. Some Prophets were also given a message, so they were also messengers and they left behind the message for people to follow until Allah decided to send another Prophet or messenger. Most of the messages left behind prophesized of the coming of another prophet.

Agreed.

With Prophet Muhammad this series of prophethood and messages from Allah stopped. And he was given the final message for all humankind till the end of time to follow i.e The Quran. And that is what we do and suppose to do and nothing else.

Do? Do what?

 

[Citizen X]

See how easily you cherry picked and left the context.

Read the two ayahs before this ayah:

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا۟ أَطِيعُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۥ وَلَا تَوَلَّوْا۟ عَنْهُ وَأَنتُمْ تَسْمَعُونَ
O you who have believed, obey Allāh and His Messenger and do not turn from him while you hear [his order].

وَلَا تَكُونُوا۟ كَٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوا۟ سَمِعْنَا وَهُمْ لَا يَسْمَعُونَ
And do not be like those who say, "We have heard," while they do not hear.

The ayah you quoted IN FACT applies to you for rejecting Messenger SAW. Bingo. Subhan Allah!!

Yes of course we obey Allah and his Messenger. And what did the messenger preach? The Quran so by following the Quran we are following the messenger and Allah.

You zindeeq mushriks have been brainwashed to think that follow the messenger means follow the Prophet. Which obviously it doesn't. Allah is very particular with his choice of words, and he used messenger here for a reason.

 

[Citizen X]

Do? Do what?

Follow the one thing he left behind, the Quran.

 

[observer-x]

Yes of course we obey Allah and his Messenger. And what did the messenger preach? The Quran so by following the Quran we are following the messenger and Allah.

How do you obey? Do what that he preached? We say those are all the rituals, you say those are not. What is it then?

You zindeeq mushriks have been brainwashed to think that follow the messenger means follow the Prophet. Which obviously it doesn't. Allah is very particular with his choice of words, and he used messenger here for a reason.

Now you'll change the meaning of the word messenger to not be Muhammad SAW? I can see how the hatred of Prophet SAW crept in.

 

[observer-x]

Follow the one thing he left behind, the Quran.

How do you follow?

 

[Citizen X]

How do you obey? Do what that he preached? We say those are all the rituals, you say those are not. What is it then?

You mushriks can say whatever you want, it has absolute 0 credence.

What was the duty of the messenger? To bring forth the message i.e the Quran. Thats why he was called the messenger and not the ritualist. We don't say these rituals don't exist, the Quran does because it has no mention of them. Show me your rituals from the Quran?

 

[Citizen X]

Now you'll change the meaning of the word messenger to not be Muhammad SAW? I can see how the hatred of Prophet SAW crept in.

Another great bongi by the mushrik zindeeq. You mushriks are the people who use the word Nabi and Rasool interchangeably. If Allah had wanted you to obey the nabi he would have said follow the nabi and not the rasool.

You think Allah just chose his words willy nilly without putting any thought into them?

THIS is how you mushriks insult the Prophet but turning him into a demi god who you worship just like the Christians did with Isa

 

[Citizen X]

How do you follow?

Read the Quran, everything is clearly mentioned in there.