Samiyah Murder Case: Kisi per shak nahi, moat ki waja burger ho saktay hain. Husband Asif Mahmood

[LeezaKhan]

That's what is revealed in Qura'n.... Aayah 4:34

thats it? did'nt our other posted just said that allah mian teaches us to kill the women who dont stay at home and make nice round chapati ?
and why create a distance first and then disconnect and then divorce?why so many steps?

 

[Nice2MU]

انکی ساری آزادی اور آزاد خیالی صرف دوسروں کی بیویوں، ماؤں اور بہنوں کے لیے ہوتی ہیں جب انکی اپنی عورتوں کے بارے ان سے پوچھ تو گونگے بن جاتے ہیں کہ جیسے نہ کچھ سُنا ہو اور نہ سمجھا ہو۔ ​

یہ لوگ گناہوں میں اتنے آگے جاچکے ہیں کہ ان میں نیک و بد کی تمیز نہیں رہی۔ ان پر اللہ توبہ کا دروازہ بند کر چکا ہے۔ آپ جتنا بھی ان کا ضمیر جھنجھوڑنے کی کوشش کریں گے منہ کی کھائیں گے کیونکہ ضمیر ان کا مر چکا ہے۔۔۔ اسی لئے آپ جواب میں آئیں بائیں شائیں سن رہے ہیں


رہی بات سمیعہ کی ۔۔۔۔۔ تو لگتا ہے کہ اس کا پٹواری خاوند پوری طرح ان کرتوتوں میں اس کے ساتھ تھا۔ آپ کو اس کے بیانات سے لگ نہیں رہا؟


۔۔ یہ سارے پٹواری ایسے ہی ہیں، میاں سانپ سے ایک سیٹ لینے کے لئے کچھ بھی داوّ پر لگاسکتے ہیں --

 

[Nice2MU]

Re: سمعیہ چوہدری کی موت : ایک سبق

کان تو بہروں کے بھی ہوتے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔​

pls
try tou karo. tell me. I am all ears.

 

[PappuChikna]

That's what is revealed in Qura'n.... Aayah 4:34

hmm... so this means if they say sorry and become a good woman and start making round chapati after you create distance then its ok to start living with her again?

 

[PappuChikna]

انکی ساری آزادی اور آزاد خیالی صرف دوسروں کی بیویوں، ماؤں اور بہنوں کے لیے ہوتی ہیں جب انکی اپنی عورتوں کے بارے ان سے پوچھ تو گونگے بن جاتے ہیں کہ جیسے نہ کچھ سُنا ہو اور نہ سمجھا ہو۔ ​

chacha jee then tell me, what should be done to such women?
like I explained in my previous post, her husband and the killers were the real heroes, rite?

 

[LeezaKhan]

As I said earlier, you are one of a kind who wouldn't hesitate doing mockery of Qura'n so I'll leave you there.

hmm... so this means if they say sorry and become a good woman and start making round chapati after you create distance then its ok to start living with her again?

 

[PappuChikna]

As I said earlier, you are one of a kind who wouldn't hesitate doing mockery of Qura'n so I'll leave you there.

leeza sahab..pls. if she becomes a good woman after creating distance then its ok to start living with her again?

 

[Nice2MU]

You didn't get my point............ in my previous post I had mentioned that there must be some logic that Allah had stopped Women to leave their homes. Right? Now tell me why are you opposing the orders of the Allah...

And going out from home for some work is one thing but spending nights with other men in a separate rooms is different thing. You are mixing two things.

But still question is there that what will you do if you were the husband of this woman?

chacha jee then tell me, what should be done to such women?
like I explained in my previous post, her husband and the killers were the real heroes, rite?

 

[PappuChikna]

You didn't get my point............ in my previous post I had mentioned that there must be some logic that Allah had stopped Women to leave their homes. Right? Now tell me why are you opposing the orders of the Allah...

And going out from home for some work is one thing but spending nights with other men in a separate rooms is different thing. You are mixing two things.

But still question is there that what will you do if you were the husband of this woman?

meray meethay meethay madni bhai.

If allah has asked woman to do pardah and stay at home then why its ok to go out of home for some work? ghar mein koi mardd nahi hai kia?

about your other question I am confused. Leeza sahab tell me distance, disconnect and then divorce but at the same time you and leeza sahab are saying the woman herself is responsible for her death, so her killing was'nt really a bad thing. thats why I am asking for your guidance.

 

[LeezaKhan]

I wrote what I learned from Qura'n as Allah knows better. If a woman is involved in such stuff and then get's back, her spouse is suppose to pardon her.
If a guy does the same, his wife is asked to involve the elders of her and his family or authorities to sort it out.
No one has a right to kill anyone in any circumstances. Only the state has a right to judge and prosecute.

leeza sahab..pls. if she becomes a good woman after creating distance then its ok to start living with her again?

 

[PappuChikna]

I wrote what I learned from Qura'n as Allah knows better. If a woman is involved in such stuff and then get's back, her spouse is suppose to pardon her.
If a guy does the same, his wife is asked to involve the elders of her and his family or authorities to sort it out.
No one has a right to kill anyone in any circumstances. Only the state has a right to judge and prosecute.

Thank you leeza sahab. i am impressed and i have some more understanding now of allah rasool.
what confused me in previous posts we were all saying the murder was woman's own fault. The blame is on the woman because she went out of her home and stayed in a hotel etc.

If what you have said in this post is true then it was not woman's fault at all. if she had gone back home and become achi bachee then she and her husband should start to live happily everafter? and while we were discussing all this, we did not even mention the men who actually killed her in the first place.

 

[PappuChikna]

I wrote what I learned from Qura'n as Allah knows better. If a woman is involved in such stuff and then get's back, her spouse is suppose to pardon her.
If a guy does the same, his wife is asked to involve the elders of her and his family or authorities to sort it out.
No one has a right to kill anyone in any circumstances. Only the state has a right to judge and prosecute.

waisay leesa uncle.
You say allah mian or husband pardon such women, but for me allah mian already told you the gates of pardon are shut?



یہ لوگ گناہوں میں اتنے آگے جاچکے ہیں کہ ان میں نیک و بد کی تمیز نہیں رہی۔ ان پر اللہ توبہ کا دروازہ بند کر چکا ہے
یہ لوگ گناہوں میں اتنے آگے جاچکے ہیں کہ ان میں نیک و بد کی تمیز نہیں رہی۔ ان پر اللہ توبہ کا دروازہ بند کر چکا ہے

 

[Nice2MU]

meray meethay meethay madni bhai.

If allah has asked woman to do pardah and stay at home then why its ok to go out of home for some work? Ghar mein koi mardd nahi hai kia?

مجھے تم سے جیسے سے یہی اُمید تھی کہ تم باقی چیزوں کا تو جواب نہیں دے سکوں گے اسلیے میں نے 'شرعی' تقاضے کا لفظ استعمال نہیں کیا۔مجھے معلوم تھا یہ سوال تم پوچھوں گے۔۔۔۔ کیا حج اور عمرہ گھروں کے اندر ہوتا ہے؟

کیا اسوقت خواتین جنگوں میں جو حصّہ نہیں لیتی تھیں؟

about your other question i am confused. Leeza sahab tell me distance, disconnect and then divorce but at the same time you and leeza sahab are saying the woman herself is responsible for her death, so her killing was'nt really a bad thing. Thats why i am asking for your guidance.

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[LeezaKhan]

I was talking in general.... in her case, she had gone too far and it seems that her husband was all ok about that. She was playing with fire which backfired.

No one'd be blamed as Patwar is already proving her to be a bad character. She was destined to such fate because that's what happens in such things especially if one is not from the influential family and in the Godforsaken land of Punjab, police plays for the influentials only.

Thank you leeza sahab. i am impressed and i have some more understanding now of allah rasool.
what confused me in previous posts we were all saying the murder was woman's own fault. The blame is on the woman because she went out of her home and stayed in a hotel etc.

If what you have said in this post is true then it was not woman's fault at all. if she had gone back home and become achi bachee then she and her husband should start to live happily everafter? and while we were discussing all this, we did not even mention the men who actually killed her in the first place.

 

[PappuChikna]

مجھے تم سے جیسے سے یہی اُمید تھی کہ تم باقی چیزوں کا تو جواب نہیں دے سکوں گے اسلیے میں نے 'شرعی' تقاضے کا لفظ استعمال نہیں کیا۔مجھے معلوم تھا یہ سوال تم پوچھوں گے۔۔۔۔ کیا حج اور عمرہ گھروں کے اندر ہوتا ہے؟

کیا اسوقت خواتین جنگوں میں جو حصّہ نہیں لیتی تھیں؟

[FONT=&amp]پھر پوچھ رہا ہوں کہ اگر اس عورت کے شوہر تم ہوتے تو تم کیا کرتے؟[/FONT][/QUOTE]


I see, so its ok for a woman to go out of her home for sharaee taqazay but not without sharee taqazay? so leaving without sharee taqazay make her a sinner and fahisha and its ok to get her killed. got it.

sir I told you i am confused thats why I am trying to learn from you.

 

[PappuChikna]

I was talking in general.... in her case, she had gone too far and it seems that her husband was all ok about that. She was playing with fire which backfired.

No one'd be blamed as Patwar is already proving her to be a bad character. She was destined to such fate because that's what happens in such things especially if one is not from the influential family and in the Godforsaken land of Punjab, police plays for the influentials only.

so if patwari are proving her to be a bad character then this means whatever happened to her was ok because she was a bad character woman. So assume, patawari are not lying and they are true, then she rightly reached her fate?
so its best for a woman to stay home otherwise poor helpless men wont be able to control themselves and rape and kill her and the first person to blame is that woman because she made those men perform that act by leaving her house without sharee taqaza.

 

[PappuChikna]

مجھے تم سے جیسے سے یہی اُمید تھی کہ تم باقی چیزوں کا تو جواب نہیں دے سکوں گے اسلیے میں نے 'شرعی' تقاضے کا لفظ استعمال نہیں کیا۔مجھے معلوم تھا یہ سوال تم پوچھوں گے۔۔۔۔ کیا حج اور عمرہ گھروں کے اندر ہوتا ہے؟

کیا اسوقت خواتین جنگوں میں جو حصّہ نہیں لیتی تھیں؟

[FONT=&amp]پھر پوچھ رہا ہوں کہ اگر اس عورت کے شوہر تم ہوتے تو تم کیا کرتے؟[/FONT][/QUOTE]

pls sharee taqazay bhi bata dein, so all wives of the world know when its ok to leave the house and when its not.

 

[Haristotle]

بر گر کہہ کے الزام تو انصافیوں پے لگا ہی دیا نا

 

[PappuChikna]

You didn't get my point............ in my previous post I had mentioned that there must be some logic that Allah had stopped Women to leave their homes. Right? Now tell me why are you opposing the orders of the Allah...

And going out from home for some work is one thing but spending nights with other men in a separate rooms is different thing. You are mixing two things.

But still question is there that what will you do if you were the husband of this woman?

If sharee punishment for zaani is death like in this case then how does spending night with other men in a separate room prove zina according to sharee taqaza?

 

[PappuChikna]

[FONT=&amp]پھر پوچھ رہا ہوں کہ اگر اس عورت کے شوہر تم ہوتے تو تم کیا کرتے؟[/FONT]

pls sharee taqazay bhi bata dein, so all wives of the world know when its ok to leave the house and when its not.[/QUOTE]



murder is probably not an option i think. am i right? or still wrong?