jennyrock42
MPA (400+ posts)
And can I ask you why you are using IK picture as your avatar when you apparently dont like him.
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And can I ask you why you are using IK picture as your avatar when you apparently dont like him.
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junaids
MPA (400+ posts)
Every good cause starts with a dream and is initially laughed away by many!
shaheedchoudry
Minister (2k+ posts)
(clap)(clap)(clap)What a pity. When you don't have anything intelligent to say. Attack personally.
Beta aap ko bas dislike hi nahi kiya jaye ga,gali b di ajye gi,aur aaj k baad aap ka burger aur pepsi b Band sazaa k taur par(serious)
Zameer Uddin
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=21619&Cat=2 Why is whistle-blowing Abid Sher Ali suddenly mum? Sabir Shah Wednesday, December 22, 2010 LAHORE: The 39-year old PML-N legislator Abid Sher Ali, who was the first to accuse his fellow legislators of holding fake degrees, has of late, mysteriously gone quiet on the subject, raising many questions in circles that have supported him throughout his eventful whistle-blowing spree for a good part of this year. While courts continue to disqualify legislators holding phony educational degrees, the most recent case being that of a PML-N Punjab Assembly member Farah Deeba, Abid Sher Ali continues to remain mum at a juncture when even the degree of Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilanis son Abdul Qadir Gilani is being scrutinized by the Punjab University for the last couple of months. Whistleblowers around the world have frequently faced reprisal from the people they have targeted for a right cause, as was acknowledged during the recent 14th International Anti-Corruption Conference held in Bangkok between November 10 and 13 this year. Also participated by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Thai Premier Abhisit Vejjajiva, the moot had noted: Whistle-blowing plays a critical role in detecting and preventing corruption and other malpractices. However, rather than being seen as champions of the public good, whistle-blowers are often perceived as disloyal to their employers or even as traitors or snitches. Their disclosures may not be followed-up and they often face reprisal at their workplace against which they are not adequately protected. The need for more effective whistle-blowing and adequate protection of whistleblowers is increasingly recognized. Yet there is a huge potential for more whistle blowing which remains unexploited. The aim of this session is to explore ways of moving the promotion of whistle-blowing to the next level. In the case of Abid Sher Ali, Education Minister Sardar Assef Ali had submitted a reference against him to the National Assembly Speaker on August 6 this year for allegedly overstepping his mandate. Earlier, a lot of criticism was hurled against the head of the National Assemblys standing committee on Education (Abid Sher Ali) by the afore-mentioned elderly minister and many of his other colleagues sitting in countrys legislative houses. Abids mission becomes even tougher when one takes into account the fact that whistle-blowers in various corruption-ridden countries like Pakistan are not protected by law and have often been persecuted at will by those involved in wrongdoings. As whistleblowers are commonly seen as selfless martyrs for public interest, Abid stands no exception to the rule as he has been alleged by the Federal Education Minister Sardar Aseff Ahmed Ali of pursuing personal glory and fame by raising the issue of phony degrees. Perched on a privilege position, Abid must otherwise deem himself lucky on a few counts because whistle-blowers have either been bullied at their respective workplaces by both fellow colleagues and their employers, or have faced mobbing which is a practice to eliminate such people from an organization. Many have even been assassinated for unveiling what they should not have. For example, an Indian civil servant Satyendra Dubey was assassinated in 2003 after he had accused his employers of resorting to corruption in Indias highway construction projects. In a letter to the then Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, Dubey had revealed some classified information in this regard. Similarly, a US Department of Defence auditor called Ernest Fitzgerald was fired in 1973 by President Nixon for exposing certain weapon-related details to the Congress. After prolonged litigation, Fitzgerald was reinstated to service and continued to report cost overruns and military contractor fraud, including discovery that the US Air Force was being charged $400 for hammers and $600 for toilet seats. In Canada, a government official servant, Duncan Edmonds, was fired by his countrys Prime Minister Brian Mulroney in 1984 for reporting that Defence Minister Robert Coates had visited a West German strip club with confidential NATO documents in his possession. Defence Minister Coates was also consequently asked to resign. However, there is no denying the fact that a bit of legal protection for whistle-blowers does exist in countries like the United States and England. The first US law adopted specifically to protect whistleblowers was the Lloyd-La Follette Act of 1912. Although it guaranteed the right of federal employees to furnish information to the United States Congress, most American courts have found it difficult to ensure at times that such whistle-blowers are protected from retaliation. Under most US Federal statutes related to whistle blowing, in order to be considered a whistle-blower, the federal employee must have a solid reason to believe that his/her employer has violated some regulation. Despite the fact that the US law provides some protection to the whistle-blowers, there have been many cases where people have been terminated, suspended, demoted and subjected to harsh wage garnishment by their employers for opening their mouths. A research conducted by The News reveals even in the US, most whistleblower protection laws provide for only limited remedies for employment losses if whistle-blower retaliation is proven, but a law definitely exists there to promise some respite to these people having no ordinary nerves. It is significant to note that when the US House of Representatives had passed the Whistle-blower Protection Act of 2007, the then President George Bush, had pledged to veto the bill if it was enacted into law by the Congress. Bush had then cited national security concerns, as the basis of his decision. In the UK, the Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998 provides a framework of legal protection for whistle-blowers from victimization and dismissal from jobs. While whistle-blowers have mostly suffered for unearthing the wrongdoings around them, there have been a few lucky ones who have been rewarded for their fearlessness and gallantry. To quote one rare example in this context, a US Sandia National Laboratories staffer was sacked for bringing to light the fact that a group of hackers was penetrating the computer networks at major US military installations and government agencies to access sensitive information. The unfortunate employee, Shawn Carpenter, told his superiors about the development but he was directed not to share the information with anyone. An extremely concerned Shawn Carpenter, however, went on to voluntarily work with the US Army and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to address the problem. When his company discovered his actions, he was shown the door forthwith. In 2007, a New Mexico State Court had awarded him $4.7 million in damages from his employers-the Sandia Corporation for firing him with a malicious intent.
Hassan Nissar+ Nazeer Naji dono munafiq hain........Qaid-e-Tehreek key Haleem khah kar tareefain karty hain.............................Hassan Nisar tue MQM ko bohat pasand karta haay kion YEE es tarah ka swaal un saay nahain karty jo dhshast pheylanay main apni misal app hain.............Imran ko dheshatdardi ki rah par lagana chahta haay ?????????? Yaqinan Imran woh sab kuch karay ga jo eak awami inkilab ki zaroorat ho magar kisi kay kehnay par nahain...............Imran jo keh raha haay 1) N.S & zardari eak hee cheez hain 2) Mulak main har jaga corruption haay. 3) Awam ko American/IMF ki ghulami say azad karna haay 4) MQM eak dhshatgard tanzeem haay .....ect ect Kia Imran yee sab kehna choor day ????????????? serf es liay que Nawaz Sharif waloin ko pasand nahin haay...App bhee mujy "Columbus" PTI ihtisab wing kay member lagtay hain , yee sahab ajkal forum par nahin hain......Allah hamin munafiqat say mehfoof rakhy.
@ young blood I agree with you .....he don't have any clear agenda/policy/manifesto ...nor he don't have
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my best wishes for IK for next election but I can't see the clean sweep.. I meanhe will win few seats but will not be in majority....
IK @ his best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25rqTzsxnDk&feature=related
IK @ his best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25rqTzsxnDk&feature=related
Young_Blood
Minister (2k+ posts)
Mujhey aik baat ka to andaza ho gaya,, k PTI main jaha educated log hein waha aise log bhe shamil hein jinho main tanqeed berdasht kerne ka maada nahi, bohat se users ne mujhey BETA kaha, Munna kaha,,, main samjh raha tha k PTI main suljhay howay log hein, jo waqiyaat ko siasat ko, aur alfaaz ka bareeki se jaieza lete hein, magar afsos hoowa jaan ker k udher bhe aisey,, idher bhe aisey,,,, aap logo main se bohat se aisey users bhe hein jinho ne kabhi vote he cast nahi keeya, aur bohat so ka vote bhe nahi,,, aur batein aisi kertey hein jese over 50 years exp hai siasat ka...
siasat kerna aur siasat samjhna KHAALA jee ka khail nahi,,, abhi waqt lagay ga aap logo ko mature honay mein.
2nd- bohat se users ne kaha k IMRAN KHAN ELECTION k zariay inqlaab laana chahta hai,,, sure inqlaab election k zariay he aana chahiay,,, magar kya ye govt 5 saal poorey karey tab election ho ya uss se pehle election ho?
agar Imran Khan iss govt ko poorey 5 saal dena chahta hai, to why he saying continuesly k election supreme court k under honay chahiay? means imran khan iss govt ko khatam kerna chahta hai,,, aai samjh aap logo ko?
aur ye govt khatam kese ho ge? army aanay se rahi, Zardari k paas 18th termeem k baad powers nahi, parliament main PPPP k paas majority hai, gilani apni govt kabhi tahleel nahi karey ga,,, to mere bhai ye govt jaey ge kese?
zahir hai uss k liay ANNA HAZARAY ke terha roads per aana parey ga,, sirf 1 ya 2 din k liay nahii,,, uss waqt tak jab tak pakistani awaam ke sab jaiez conditions poori na ho jaein,,, isse kehte hein inqlaab,,, laazmi nahi k khooni inqlaab laaya jaey, tor phor ke jaey, logo ka lahu bahaya jaey, ANNA HAZARAY ke tehreek main kya aik bhe aisa waqiya hoowa? kitne pur aman ihtjaaj tha,,,
main aap logo se sawal kerta hoo, k kese mumkin ho ga k zardari ke govt khatam ho jaey, aur supreme court k under election kerwaey jaein,,, yehi Imran Khan bhe chahta hai,,, give me answer,,, agar aap log apne aap ko itna mature siasatdaan samjhtey ho,,,,
and plz keep remember one thing,,, Pak Army ne pehle he keh dia tha Supreme Court ko k agar aap ne 190 ko use bhe keeya to ham nahi aaein gay,,,
aur haan aik baat aur, aglay election howay to wo zardari ke he sadarat mein ho gay,,,
ab mujhey dijiay apne jawabaat....
siasat kerna aur siasat samjhna KHAALA jee ka khail nahi,,, abhi waqt lagay ga aap logo ko mature honay mein.
2nd- bohat se users ne kaha k IMRAN KHAN ELECTION k zariay inqlaab laana chahta hai,,, sure inqlaab election k zariay he aana chahiay,,, magar kya ye govt 5 saal poorey karey tab election ho ya uss se pehle election ho?
agar Imran Khan iss govt ko poorey 5 saal dena chahta hai, to why he saying continuesly k election supreme court k under honay chahiay? means imran khan iss govt ko khatam kerna chahta hai,,, aai samjh aap logo ko?
aur ye govt khatam kese ho ge? army aanay se rahi, Zardari k paas 18th termeem k baad powers nahi, parliament main PPPP k paas majority hai, gilani apni govt kabhi tahleel nahi karey ga,,, to mere bhai ye govt jaey ge kese?
zahir hai uss k liay ANNA HAZARAY ke terha roads per aana parey ga,, sirf 1 ya 2 din k liay nahii,,, uss waqt tak jab tak pakistani awaam ke sab jaiez conditions poori na ho jaein,,, isse kehte hein inqlaab,,, laazmi nahi k khooni inqlaab laaya jaey, tor phor ke jaey, logo ka lahu bahaya jaey, ANNA HAZARAY ke tehreek main kya aik bhe aisa waqiya hoowa? kitne pur aman ihtjaaj tha,,,
main aap logo se sawal kerta hoo, k kese mumkin ho ga k zardari ke govt khatam ho jaey, aur supreme court k under election kerwaey jaein,,, yehi Imran Khan bhe chahta hai,,, give me answer,,, agar aap log apne aap ko itna mature siasatdaan samjhtey ho,,,,
and plz keep remember one thing,,, Pak Army ne pehle he keh dia tha Supreme Court ko k agar aap ne 190 ko use bhe keeya to ham nahi aaein gay,,,
aur haan aik baat aur, aglay election howay to wo zardari ke he sadarat mein ho gay,,,
ab mujhey dijiay apne jawabaat....
moodali
MPA (400+ posts)
shukar karo ke tumhara avatar imran khan ka photo hai warna tum ko immo bhai ke is forum pe bohat galian padni theen
cheema.ji
Voter (50+ posts)
meray bhai main aap k sawal ka jawab pehlay de chuka hon. and plz just give me a better option than PTI ... if u cant find any then i think we should follow PTI and struggle through its platform...
bhai ji PTI ne to iss NRO zda amreeki pithuon k muqable k issi liye boycott kiya tha k iss trah k election se dummy parliament he aaye gi, aur zardari k sadar ban'ne pe bhi protest kiya aur PTI woh party hai jis ne adilya bahal hote he aur NRO k kaladam hote ha mid-term elections ka mutalba kiya tha jis ka party ko koi khas faida nahi pohnchta lekin mulk ki khatir demand kiya.
PTI awam ko apne haqooq ki jang larne k liye tyar kar rhi hai warna aap ko pta he hai hmari awam ka ... kitne he aise moqay aaye jab awam ko sarkon pe naikal kr in hukmarano ko jootay mar k nikal dena chahiye tha lekin kya esa kabi huva e.g Raymond Davis case, Aafia siddique case, drone attacks, Abbotabad operation, Karachi target killings, loadshedding, mehngaie, berozgari..... kitny awam in sab waqiat aur halat k khilaf nikly,
aur India main Anna hazare ko media ne bohat projection di laikn hamre han na e-media na p-meida he PTI ko due coverage deta hai.. PTI iss na-ehal hakumat ko jamhooriyat ko bachane k naam pe, friendly opposition/PML-N ,ban k 5 sal poore nahi karne dena chahti, issi liye Hakumat htao Mulk bchao tehreek ka aghaz kiya aur iss silsile mein jalsay b kar rahi hai. aur INSHALLAH jald he jab PTI samjhe gi, k ab awam tyar hai, long march aur countrywide continuous protests ki call degi jab tak k ye corrupt hakumat khatam nahi hoti aur supreme court apne neechay shaffaf aur ghair janibdar election nahi krwati. .. i hope u'll understand
Vote PTI for a better PAKISTAN
bhai ji PTI ne to iss NRO zda amreeki pithuon k muqable k issi liye boycott kiya tha k iss trah k election se dummy parliament he aaye gi, aur zardari k sadar ban'ne pe bhi protest kiya aur PTI woh party hai jis ne adilya bahal hote he aur NRO k kaladam hote ha mid-term elections ka mutalba kiya tha jis ka party ko koi khas faida nahi pohnchta lekin mulk ki khatir demand kiya.
PTI awam ko apne haqooq ki jang larne k liye tyar kar rhi hai warna aap ko pta he hai hmari awam ka ... kitne he aise moqay aaye jab awam ko sarkon pe naikal kr in hukmarano ko jootay mar k nikal dena chahiye tha lekin kya esa kabi huva e.g Raymond Davis case, Aafia siddique case, drone attacks, Abbotabad operation, Karachi target killings, loadshedding, mehngaie, berozgari..... kitny awam in sab waqiat aur halat k khilaf nikly,
aur India main Anna hazare ko media ne bohat projection di laikn hamre han na e-media na p-meida he PTI ko due coverage deta hai.. PTI iss na-ehal hakumat ko jamhooriyat ko bachane k naam pe, friendly opposition/PML-N ,ban k 5 sal poore nahi karne dena chahti, issi liye Hakumat htao Mulk bchao tehreek ka aghaz kiya aur iss silsile mein jalsay b kar rahi hai. aur INSHALLAH jald he jab PTI samjhe gi, k ab awam tyar hai, long march aur countrywide continuous protests ki call degi jab tak k ye corrupt hakumat khatam nahi hoti aur supreme court apne neechay shaffaf aur ghair janibdar election nahi krwati. .. i hope u'll understand
Vote PTI for a better PAKISTAN
Young_Blood
Minister (2k+ posts)
cheema.ji
Voter (50+ posts)
"Jalsay kerne se govt nahi girti,,, Long March k baad manzil per thehar janay ruk janay se result nikaltay hein, Like jo hum ne Egypt main dekha,,, magar yaha sab se aham baat logo ka mind bananay ke hai, logo ko mutharik kerne ke hai,, ta k log apni madad aap k tahat gharo se niklein, aur tahiya ker lein k uss waqt tak gher wapis nahi aaein gay jab tak unhein results nahi mil jatay,,, aur iss k liay Imran Khan aur PTI ko sakht mekhnat kerni parey ge k logo ko kiss terha mutharik kerna hai kese un ka mind banana hai,, kiun k aaj kal ke mihngai main koi aik din mazdoori na karey to uss k gher ka chulha nahi jalta, mulk e pakistan k liay logo ko ye qurbani deni parey ge, magar kya pakistani log 10 se 15 dino tak tiyar ho jaien gay? ye sab se bara sawal hai..... thats y im saying k imran khan ko logo ka mind abhi se banana parey ga,,, werna koi bhe achanak gher bahir chor ker nahi nikal parta,,," ..
yehi bat to main aap se keh rha hon .. aur iss awam ka zehan bnane k liye he to PTI hakumat k khilaf jalse kar rhi hai.. aur iss k liye ham sab ko apna bharpoor kirdar ada krna pre ga ... preshan nahi hona aur himmat nahi harni .. aur ye bohat mushkil kam hai .. awam ko agar shaoor ho to ye corrupt leader kab k mar khap gaye hote .. iss soye huve shaoor ko bedar krne k liye ham sab ko mil k koshish krni hogi.. himmat hai IK aur PTI ki jo 15 sal se ye kam kar rhi hai ..
afsos to iss bat ka hai k yahan ghareeb awam fakay b kat leti hai,, khudkushi k liye b majboor hojati hai lekin apne haqooq k liye larti nahi.. election k din phir apna vote bech deti hai, bradri ki base pe deti hai, ya soyi rehti hai.. hamain awam k iss rawaiyye ko badalna hoga.. aur PTI jab final call degi to manzil hasil kar k he dam legi INSHALLAH
brother i totally agree with ur concerns regarding PML-N and timing .. aur mujhe iss bat ki poori umeed hai k PTI leadership b mukamal bakhabar hogi .. lekin aap he btao k kya kre PTI or IK??? PTI sab se ghareeb party hai .. maheene bhar mein jo party funding hoti hai uss se aik jalsa kar leti hai kisi bare shehar mein,, usay b media coverage nhi deta.. itne mushkil halat k bawjood PTI juti huvi hai logon ko bedar krne lekin iss doran agar aap jese parhe likhe bashaoor bhai b chor jayen to phir to bohat mushkil hai.. the thing is we know that PTI leadership is not corrupt and PTI is the only sign of change.. so we have to keep supporting PTI and IK and do our job of convincing other people,, our family ,, our friends .. ik chiragh aur chiragh aur chiragh aur chiragh...
as ur signature says .. Main Ne To Qateel Uss Saa Munafiq Nahi Dekha <> Jo Zulm To Sehta Hai Bagawat Nahi Kerta
yehi bat to main aap se keh rha hon .. aur iss awam ka zehan bnane k liye he to PTI hakumat k khilaf jalse kar rhi hai.. aur iss k liye ham sab ko apna bharpoor kirdar ada krna pre ga ... preshan nahi hona aur himmat nahi harni .. aur ye bohat mushkil kam hai .. awam ko agar shaoor ho to ye corrupt leader kab k mar khap gaye hote .. iss soye huve shaoor ko bedar krne k liye ham sab ko mil k koshish krni hogi.. himmat hai IK aur PTI ki jo 15 sal se ye kam kar rhi hai ..
afsos to iss bat ka hai k yahan ghareeb awam fakay b kat leti hai,, khudkushi k liye b majboor hojati hai lekin apne haqooq k liye larti nahi.. election k din phir apna vote bech deti hai, bradri ki base pe deti hai, ya soyi rehti hai.. hamain awam k iss rawaiyye ko badalna hoga.. aur PTI jab final call degi to manzil hasil kar k he dam legi INSHALLAH
brother i totally agree with ur concerns regarding PML-N and timing .. aur mujhe iss bat ki poori umeed hai k PTI leadership b mukamal bakhabar hogi .. lekin aap he btao k kya kre PTI or IK??? PTI sab se ghareeb party hai .. maheene bhar mein jo party funding hoti hai uss se aik jalsa kar leti hai kisi bare shehar mein,, usay b media coverage nhi deta.. itne mushkil halat k bawjood PTI juti huvi hai logon ko bedar krne lekin iss doran agar aap jese parhe likhe bashaoor bhai b chor jayen to phir to bohat mushkil hai.. the thing is we know that PTI leadership is not corrupt and PTI is the only sign of change.. so we have to keep supporting PTI and IK and do our job of convincing other people,, our family ,, our friends .. ik chiragh aur chiragh aur chiragh aur chiragh...
as ur signature says .. Main Ne To Qateel Uss Saa Munafiq Nahi Dekha <> Jo Zulm To Sehta Hai Bagawat Nahi Kerta
arslan4u
Minister (2k+ posts)
Constructing and running a state-of-the-art and the ONLY cancer hospital for 16 years without government machinery or support and then making a world-class university in a rural area which gives Bradford University degrees to Pakistani students without the hassle of visas and the need of thousands of pounds, i think that is enough proof for people who have a brain. On top of that, not taking any part in any corrupt government and not making alliance with any corrupt party for seats is enough proof, we are not begging anyone for anything. If you want a real justice system in Pakistan then vote for PTI, if you want slavery, corruption, increased taxes, law and order situation then keep voting for your old favorite parties, you will get what you deserve.
junaids
MPA (400+ posts)
Those are personal achievements of IK and are laudable, but what does that have to do with PTI? If, God forbid, something should happen to IK, what would PTI do? Where would it stand?
arslan4u
Minister (2k+ posts)
Same can be said about all parties, PTI has been an opposition party for 15 years so it has had many problems in growth. Just wait a year or so, this will be a real democratic party unlike all the others. PMLN is ruled by Sharif family, PPP ruled by Bhutto and now Zardari family, PTI will not be a family party and its next chairman will be properly elected.
abbasiali
Minister (2k+ posts)
Abhi tuk Europe main hi baithey ho................kub tuk Islamabad ki rawangi ka irada hai "CHUTIYAAN" garney key liyey................jaali muhib e watan..............:lol::lol:;);)[hilar][hilar](clap)(clap)
shaheedchoudry
Minister (2k+ posts)
Wrong approach sir. Young_blood raised few questions and instead of attacking him personally, I tried to explain and guess what, on his next post he was again full supporter of PTI.
