SUFI MUSIC ----- Whats the reality?

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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Keep in mind if you attribute any act unjustly as Shirk then you will definitely be Mushrik according to rules of Islam so Please be careful next time.
I hope that following Ahadith e Nabawi (pbuh) would be helpful for you to understand flaws in your above posts about shirk because we can not even imagine that our beloved Prophet (pbuh) would ever encourage us to commit shirk.


Narrated by Hadhrat Abdullah bin Umar (May Allah be Please with him) that our beloved Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "A man keeps on asking others for something till he comes on the Day of Resurrection without any piece of flesh on his face." The Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) added, "On the Day of Resurrection, the Sun will come near (to the people) to such an extent that the sweat will reach up to the middle of the ears, so, when all the people are in that state, they will ask Adam for Istighatha(help), and then Moses, and then Muhammad (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) ." The sub-narrator added "Muhammad will intercede with Allah to judge amongst the people. He will proceed on till he will hold the ring of the door (of Paradise) and then Allah will exalt him to Maqam e Mahmud (the privilege of intercession). And all the people of the gathering will send their praises to Allah.
[SAHIH AL BUKHARI : Book of Zakat : 2:553]


“When a man dies, his good deeds come to an end except three: ongoing charity, beneficial knowledge and a righteous offspring who will pray for him. [Sahih Muslim]


Sahih Bukhari chapter 23

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Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir: One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, "I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will fight with one another for the worldly things."
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sahih Bukhari chapter 72 [not directly waseela but something your mazhab disagree as well]

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Narrated IsraiI: Uthman bin 'Abdullah bin Mauhab said, "My people sent me with a bowl of water to Um Salama." Isra'il approximated three fingers ('indicating the small size of the container in which there was some hair of the Prophet. 'Uthman added, "If any person suffered from evil eye or some other disease, he would send a vessel (containing water) to Um Salama. I looked into the container (that held the hair of the Prophet) and saw a few red hairs in it,"


If you say that how can hair be red then read below

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Narrated Abu Huraira : The Prophet said, "Jews and Christians do not dye their hair so you should do the opposite of what they do.



Sahih Muslim chapter 30

5749

Anas b. Malik reported that when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had completed his dawn prayer, the servants of Medina came to him with utensils containing water, and no utensil was brought in which he did not dip his hand; and sometime they came in the cold dawn (and he did not feel reluctant in acceding to their request even in the cold weather) and dipped his hand in them.

5750

Anas reported: I saw when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) got his hair cut by the barber, his Companions came round him and they eagerly wanted that no hair should fall but in the hand of a person.




Malik Muwatta chapter 50, number 50.5.14:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar cauterized for the palsy and he had a talisman made for a scorpion sting.

Malik Muwatta chapter16, Number 16.11.34:
Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that AIi ibn Abi Talib used to rest his head on graves and lie on them.
Malik said, "As far as we can see ,it is only forbidden to sit on graves to relieve oneself."


 

Siasat-pk

Voter (50+ posts)
Keep in mind if you attribute any act unjustly as Shirk then you will definitely be Mushrik according to rules of Islam so Please be careful next time.
I hope that following Ahadith e Nabawi (pbuh) would be helpful for you to understand flaws in your above posts about shirk because we can not even imagine that our beloved Prophet (pbuh) would ever encourage us to commit shirk.


Narrated by Hadhrat Abdullah bin Umar (May Allah be Please with him) that our beloved Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "A man keeps on asking others for something till he comes on the Day of Resurrection without any piece of flesh on his face." The Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) added, "On the Day of Resurrection, the Sun will come near (to the people) to such an extent that the sweat will reach up to the middle of the ears, so, when all the people are in that state, they will ask Adam for Istighatha(help), and then Moses, and then Muhammad (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) ." The sub-narrator added "Muhammad will intercede with Allah to judge amongst the people. He will proceed on till he will hold the ring of the door (of Paradise) and then Allah will exalt him to Maqam e Mahmud (the privilege of intercession). And all the people of the gathering will send their praises to Allah.
[SAHIH AL BUKHARI : Book of Zakat : 2:553]


When a man dies, his good deeds come to an end except three: ongoing charity, beneficial knowledge and a righteous offspring who will pray for him. [Sahih Muslim]

Whatever happens on the day of judgment, Allah knows best. How does the above quoted hadeeth justify to perform SHIRK in this world by saying "bhar de jhole meri ya Muhammad pbuh"?
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Whatever happens on the day of judgment, Allah knows best. How does the above quoted hadeeth justify to perform SHIRK in this world by saying "bhar de jhole meri ya Muhammad pbuh"?

You are still unable to understand if something is Shirk in this world then it will remain be shirk on the day of Judgement. If you want to give reply of post then learn to address it properly. What do you say about the Ahadith I have provided earlier?

How does the above quoted hadeeth justify to perform SHIRK in this world by saying "bhar de jhole meri ya Muhammad pbuh"?

Let me know if you understand that the sentence "bhar de jhole meri ya Muhammad (pbuh) is form of Istighatha or Tawasul??
 

student

Senator (1k+ posts)
Please complete the sentence, Aamal plus Rehmat of Allah.... without Allah's mercy aamal are not enough, because we are very weak and do mistakes which only Allah can forgive...
The only thing you will take with you for the "Day of Qiyamat" is your own Aamal (اعمال).

Misguided people in search for a shortcut to "Jannat" are doing all kind of SHIRKS. These SHIRKS can only lead them to Jahanum.
 

student

Senator (1k+ posts)
can anyone prove the sufi music halal or permissible with the help of Hadiths and Quran... ?
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
can anyone prove the sufi music halal or permissible with the help of Hadiths and Quran... ?

In Quran there is no place where music is haram. In Hadees music for merry making with alcohol and illegal sex is haram which was common pastime of preislamic arabs just like today some Pakistani mujras but music with duff for correct purpose is halal. There was no tabla in those times so how can it be haram. That instrument was not invented those times. Duff is a percussion instrument like tabla and first read clasification of different types of musical instruments.

Still Sufi music is used for healing the soul and anything that is used for healing anybody physical or spiritual becomes halal if its forbidden you know. Find some better way for healing and people will leave it and go and get that treatment. Treatment is necessity and in Quran there is no sin if something has to be done because of necessity.

He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah. But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful [2:173]

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful [5:3]

Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me [anything] forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure - or it be [that slaughtered in] disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah. But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful." [6:145]

He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah. But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit] - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful [16:115]

It is proven in science that music is good for healing the soul and psychological problems and also autism.

Now see Hadees for music


[Ibn Ma'jah Vol.5 Hadith No.4020]

Narrated Abu Malik Al-Ashari:

"The Messenger (pbuh) of Allah (SWT) said, "Some people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by other than its real name, merriment will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and the singing of lady singers. Allah will cleave the earth under them and turn others into monkeys and swines.


[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5590]

Narrated Abu Amir or Abu Malik Al Ashari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

However there are some Ahadith which indicate that music is permissible if for good purpose



[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.2 Hadith No.987]


Narrated Urwa on the authority of Aisha

On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine (daff) and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them. The Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina.


[Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol.7 Hadith No.5147]

Narrated Ar Rabi (the daughter of Muawwidh bin Afra):

“After the consummation of my marriage, the Prophet came and sat on my bed as far from me as you are sitting now, and our little girls started beating the tambourines (daff) and reciting elegiac verses mourning my father, who had been killed in the battle of Badr. One of them said, ‘Among us is a Prophet who knows what will happen tomorrow.’ On that the Prophet said, ‘Leave this (saying) and keep on saying the verses which you had been saying before.’

Hassan ibn Thabit was a famous Sahabi who used to recite poems in praise like Hamd and Naat.
 
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Noor-e-Qalb

MPA (400+ posts)
Jab kal qiyamat ke din tum ko bhi ye pukarana par gia (Bhar do jholi meri) tau kiya yeh shirk nahi ho ga.....jo aj shirk woh kal bhi shirk.... tau phir tau aise logon ko aaj se hi garam mausam main rehne ki tayyari kar layni chahiye...............
Aaj lay unn ki panah, aaj madad mang un se
phir na manayn gay qayamat main agar maan giya

Jazak ALLAH Khair.. Very Nice and Logical answer
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Tawassul and Waseelah literally means to make a request or supplicate through a means. It is permissible for one to request Allah Taala to accept his duaa through the medium of some deeds or the rank of certain individuals as this may be closer to acceptance.

There are various forms of Tawassul and Waseela:

1. To make Tawassul to Almighty Allah that He accepts the Duaa due to one having performed a certain good deed is permissible and unanimously accepted. It is supported by the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari in which three people were trapped in a cave. Each of them made Duaa to Allah Taala to move the obstructing rock and they requested Allah Taala to accept their duaas due to some good deed that each of them had done.

2. To make Tawassul with the names and attributes of Almighty Allah: This is also permissible and is supported by the following verse, And Allah has beautiful names, so call unto Him through them. (Surah Aaraaf v.180). Example: If someone says, Oh Allah, I ask you through your attributes and beautiful names to grant my specific wish.

3. To make Tawassul to Allah Taala through the rank and position of certain individuals, alive or deceased, in the sight of Almighty Allah This includes the Prophets [alayhimus salaam], the martyrs and any other pious servant of Allah. Example: If one says, Oh Allah, I beseech you to accept my duaa due to the status of Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] in Your eyes. This form of Tawassul is also permissible according to the vast majority of the Ulama (scholars) and it has in fact remained part of their practise.

4. Some scholars even mention a fourth type of Tawassul, where a person requests some living pious servant of Allah to make duaa for him: This is also unanimously accepted.

The only type of Tawassul that is disputed is number3, where one makes Tawassul through individuals that are alive or deceased by saying, O Allah, I besech you to accept my Duaa due to the status that Rasulullah [Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam] (or some other pious person) hold in Your eyes. The first opposition against this form of Tawassul was in the 7th century of Islam. (shifaa-u-siqaam)

There are numerous proofs that support the permissibility of Tawassul through individuals. The following are some substantiations:

1. Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] narrates that once a blind person came to Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] and said, Oh Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]! Ask Allah to cure me. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] replied, If you wish I will make Duaa or else you may be patient and this is better for you. The man said, Make Duaa instead, Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] then commanded him to make Wudhu properly and that he recites the following Duaa, Oh Allah, verily, I ask of you and I turn to you through your prophet, the prophet of mercy, O Muhammad [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], verily, I have turned to my Lord through you so that my need be fulfilled. Oh Allah, accept his intercession on my behalf. (Musnad Ahmad vol.4 pg.138; Sunan Tirmidhi; Sunan ibn Majah; Mustadrak Haakim and others). Imaams Tirmidhi, ibn Khuzaymah and Haakim have classified this Hadith as authentic. The words, I turn to you through your prophet clearly proves Tawassul through the position of a person. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] also told him that he should make the same supplication whenever he needed to. (al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen pg.145)

2. Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] taught this duaa to someone after the demise of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam]. That persons need was also fulfilled.

Abu Umaamah ibn Sahl ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that a person requested Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Affaan [radhiallaahu anhu] to fulfil his need. Sayyiduna Uthmaan [radhiallaahu anhu] did not attend to him. The person complained to Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] about his plight. Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Hunayf [radhiallaahu anhu] told him to make Wudhu, go to the Musjid, offer 2 Rakaats of Salaat and recite the following Duaa: O Allah, verily I ask you and I turn to you through our prophet, the prophet of mercy (Rasulullah sallallaahu alayhi wasallam). O Muhammad! Verily, I have turned to our Lord through you so that He may fulfil my need.

The person then went to Sayyiduna Uthmaan ibn Affaan [radhiallahu anhu] who then [radhiallaahu anhu] immediately fulfilled his need and told him to return whenever he had any need in the future. (al-Mujamus sagheer vol.1 pg.184; al-Mujamul Kabeer vol.9 pg.17; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.6 pg.167-168)

Imaam Tabrani has mentioned that this Hadith is authentic. (al-Mujamus sagheer vol.1 pg.184). Allamah Mahmood Zaahid Al- Kawthari has also classified the chains of Baihaqi to be Saheeh (authentic). (Maqaalatul-Kawthari pg.391). For a detailed analysis refer to al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen of Shaykh Abdullah Siddique al-Ghumarie pgs.141-157; Raful Manaarah of Shaykh Mahmood Saeed Mamdooh pgs.125-131

3. Sayyiduna Anas ibn Maalik [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that when the mother of Sayyiduna Ali [radhiallahu anhu] passed away (Faatima bint Asad radhiallaahu anha], Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] made the following Duaa before burying her: O Allah, The One who gives life and death, and Who is living and will never die, forgive my mother Faatima bint Asad [radhiallaahu anha], and make her arguments known to her, i.e. make the answering of Munkar and Nakeer easy, and make her grave spacious for her. (I ask you) through the right of your prophet and all the prophets before me, for verily You are Most Merciful. (al-Mujamul awsat vol.1 pg.152; Hilya vol.3 pg.121)

Bi haqqi nabiyyika (through the right of your prophet). This narration is classified as authentic according to the standards of Imaam ibn Hibbaan and Haakim. (Raful Manaarah pg.147; Maqaalaatul Kawthari). Haafiz Ibn Hajar Al-Haytami(RA) that its chain of narrators is good.(Refer to his footnotes on Al-Manaasik of Imaam Nawawi(RA) pg.500)

4. When a person leaves the Musjid, the following duaa is recorded, Allaahumma inniy as-aluka bi haqqis-saa-ileena alayka, wa bi haqqi mamshaaya haaza. (Translation: Oh Allah, I ask you through the right of those who ask you and through the right of the act of my walking)

In this narration, Tawassul through people is established, through the right of those who ask and Tawassul through ones deeds is supported by the second part. This Hadith is recorded in Sunan ibn Maajah, Musnad Ahmad (vol.3 pg.21), Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah and others. The following Muhadditheen have regarded it as authentic: Imaam ibn Khuzaymah (Kitaab Tawheed pg.17), Hafiz Abdul-Ghani al-Maqdisi (al-Naseehah), Hafiz Abul-Hasan al-Maqdisi teacher of Allaamah Munzhiri (refer al-Targheeb vol.3 pg.273), Allamah al-Iraqi Ustaadh of Hafiz ibn Hajar (Takhrijul Ihyaa), Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani (Nataa-ijul Afkaar vol.1 pg.272), Hafiz Dimyati (Al-Matjarur-raabih). These are six great Muhadditheen that have accepted this Hadith to be authentic, hence, there remains no doubt at all concerning its acceptability.

The following two proofs illustrate to us the practise of the Sahaaba [radhiallaahu anhum] as well:

5. Sayyiduna Maalik al-Daar, the treasurer of food during the time of Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [radhiallaahu anhu], reports that once the people had been experiencing a drought in the era of Sayyiduna Umar [radhiallaahu anhu], a man went to the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] and said, O Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], ask for rain on behalf of your Ummah, for verily, they are being destroyed. Thereafter this person was instructed in a dream to go to Sayyiduna Umar [radhiallaahu anhu] and tell him that, the rains will soon come and say to him, Be intelligent, When Umar [radhiallaahu anhu] was informed of this, he began to cry and he said, O My Lord, I will only leave out what I am unable to do. (Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.12 pg.31-32; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.7 pg.47). Hafiz ibn Katheer [ra] has stated that the chain of narrators is good and strong (Musnadul Faarooq vol.1 pg.223). Hafiz ibn Hajar has also indicated to its authenticity in Fathul Bari.

6. Abul-Jawzaa Aws ibn Abdullah [radhiallaahu anhu] reports that once, the people of Madinah were experiencing a severe drought. They complained to Sayyidatuna Aaisha [radhiallahu anha]. She advised them that they should make a hole in the tomb of the roof of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] so that the grave is exposed to the skies. He says, When they made a hole, heavy rains came down and crops also began to grow. (Sunan Darimi vol.1 pg.56)

7. Imaam Haakim and others have narrated on the authority of Sayyiduna Umar ibn al-Khattaab [radhiallaahu anhu] that Rasulullah [Sallallahu alayhi wasallam] said, When Adam [alayhis salaam] ate from the forbidden tree, he said, O My Lord, I ask you through the right of Muhammad [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] that you forgive me. The words used were, Bi haqqi Muhammad Allah Taala accepted Aadams [alayhis salaam] repentance. (al-Mustadrak vol.2 pg.615; Dalaailun-Nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.5 pg.489; al-Mujamus saghir of Imaam Tabrani vol.2 pg.82)

The status of this narration has been extensively disputed by the various Muhadditheen. Some have accepted it to be authentic and others rejected it. However, there is another narration that supports this narration recorded by Imaam Abul-Hasan ibn Bishraan [ra] on the authority of Sayyidatuna Maysarah [radhiallaahu anha]. The chain of narrators for this Hadith is totally different from the previous one. And in fact, Hafiz ibn Hajar [ra] has stated concerning a completely different narration which has the very same chain of narrators, that this chain of narrators is strong. (al-Raddul Muhkamul Mateen pgs.138-139; al-Ahaadeethul Muntaqaa pg.14, both of Shaykh Abdullah Siddique al-Ghumarie). These narrations have all proven beyond a shadow of doubt that this form of Tawassul is permissible and was widely practised as well.

Hereunder follows a list of some of the many illustrious Ulama of the past who had practised upon Tawassul through the rank of the pious, deceased or alive:

1. Imaam Hasan ibn Ibrahim al-Hallal [ra] has stated that whenever he had any urgent need, he would go to the grave of Imaam Moosa ibn Jafar [ra] and make Tawassul through him. Allah Taala would fulfil his need. (refer Taarikh Baghdaad)

2. Imaam Shaafiee [ra] would make Tawassul at the grave of Imaam Abu Hanifa [ra]. (Taarikh Baghdaad). Allaamah al-Kawthari has classified this incident as authentic. (Maqaalaatul Kawthari pg.381)

3. Allaamah Taajuddeen al-Subki [ra] has mentioned that the people would go to the grave of Imaam ibn Foorak(ra), the teacher of Imaam Bayhaqi [ra] and make Duaa and their Duaas would get accepted.

4. Hafiz Al-Zarkashi [ra] has made Tawassul in the introduction to his commentary to Sahih al-Bukhari entitled, al-Tanqeeh.

5. Hafiz Taqi-u-ddin al-Subki [ra], the father of Taajuddin al-Subki [ra], has approved of this firm of Tawassul and he has written a detailed treatise on this topic. (See his book: Shifaa-u-Siqaam pgs.293-318)

6. Allamah Nawawi [ra] has mentioned that from among the etiquettes of visiting the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] one should make Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] to Allah Taala to accept his Duaas. Thereafter, Allamah Nawawi states, and one of the best things that one should do is what has been related by Allaamah al-Mawardi [ra], al-Qaadhi Abu Teeb [ra] and all our Ulama and they have all regarded it as commendable, and that is the incident of Imaam al-Utabi [ra] that he said, I was once seated by the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], when a Bedouin came and said, Peace be upon you, oh, Messenger of Allah. O Messenger of Allah, I have heard Almighty Allah say in the Quraan And if they, when they had been unjust to themselves, had come to you (Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and begged Allahs forgiveness and the messenger had begged forgiveness for them, indeed they would have found Allah All-Forgiving. Most merciful.(Al-Nisaa:64) hence, I have come to you in a state that I seek forgiveness of my sins by seeking your intercession by my Lord, thereafter he recited a few couplets and departed. Imaam al-Utabi [ra] states, I then fell asleep and I saw Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] instructing me by the words, O Utabi, go to that Bedouin and give him the glad tidings that Almighty Allah has forgiven him. (Refer al-Majmoo vol.8 pg.456 Cairo and Manaasikul-Imaam-Al-Nawawi pg.498-499 Maktabah Salafia). This incident has been related by many Ulama in their respective compilations. Some of them are: Haafiz Ibn-Katheer in his Tafseer, Allamah Abu-Muhammad ibn Qudaamah in Al-Mughni vol.3 pg.556, Imaam Abul-Faraj in Al-Sharhul-Kabeervol.3 pg.495, etc.)

7. Imaam Ahmad bin Hambal(RA) has also encouraged making Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] in ones duas. (Fataawa ibn Taimiyyah vol.1 pg.140, Also see Mafaaheem pg.137)

8. Haafiz Shamsud-Deen Al-Sakhawi (RA), the grand student of Haafiz ibn Hajr Al-Asqalaani(RA) made Tawassul on many occasions through Rasulullah [Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam] in his books, see for example Al-Tuhfatul-Lateefah vol.1 pg.3, 17; al-Ibtihaaj bi azkaaril musaafiril haaj

9. Allamah Muhammad ibn-ul-Jazri(RA) the famous Muhaddith and Master of Qiraaat has mentioned that from amongst the Aadaab etiquettes of dua is that one makes Tawassul with the Ambiyaa and the pious ones.(Al-Hisnul Haseen)

10. Imaam Al-Shawkaani Al-Salafi(RA) has also permitted Tawassul. (Tuhfatu-Zaakireen pg.50)

These are ten Different types of Ulama (i.e. some are Fuqahaa, some Muhadditheen and some are Qurraa). All have either practised on Tawassul or at least permitted it. And the list could go on.(refer to Maqaalatul Kawthari pg.378-397). After contemplating on all that was mentioned above, any person with sound intelligence would believe without a shadow of doubt in the permissibility of this form of Tawassul.

More so when one realizes that this remained the practise of the Ummah for centuries. Allamah Taqee-ud-Deen Al-Subki(RA) and other Muhadditheen have stated that Haafiz Ibn-Taimiyyah(RA) who passed away in the year 728 Hijri - was the first to refute the permissibility of this form of Tawassul (Shifaa-us-Siqaam pg.293) In fact, Abu-Abdillah Al-Tilmisani Al-Maaliki(RA) (a renown scholar of the 7th century) has written a book concerning how this remained the practise of the entire Ummah since its existence. (Refer Maqaalatul Kawthari pg.397)

Lastly, we would like to draw your attention to the fact that the above permissibility is in regard to one who asks Allah Taala for a particular need and in doing so, he uses some honourable personality as his Waseela (means) without thinking or believing that the person is being supplicated to or that he will fulfil his need. Yes, if one asks directly from the deceased and he believes that the Anbiyaa [alayhimus salaam] and the pious [rahimahumullah] independently possess the power to provide, then this would be Shirk (polytheism) because he is now ascribing partners to Allah in the quality of Providing.

Many contemporaries have mixed both these forms up; a) asking directly from the deceased and, b) asking Allah Alone, through the medium of some deceased) and have passed one ruling of Shirk for both forms. This is clearly a gross oversight on their path.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best



I am sorry that i commented
''I have started an endless discussion''
, Scholars are here for my aid...
 

hassam

MPA (400+ posts)
All the guys on this forum are muslims because of these sufis. What do you have to say about that? I believe we do not give due credit to sufis. There may be bad or good in them and that too has been discussed in details on this forum. What I believe and it is strictly my personal opinion that Arabs can not admit this fact that they have been outnumbered by people who were non arabs in most of the cases and since they do not understand their ideology, instead of understanding when, what and how they did, they start condeming them and completely ignore the fact that vast majority of practicing muslims today are due to those Sufis. Who did good and who was wrong, lets just leave that to Allah and do not malign all of them just becuase what we see happening today. May be people have distorted their beliefs and practices because many of the converts were hindus and they could not get away with their old habbits.
 

Siasat-pk

Voter (50+ posts)
All the guys on this forum are muslims because of these sufis. What do you have to say about that? I believe we do not give due credit to sufis. There may be bad or good in them and that too has been discussed in details on this forum. What I believe and it is strictly my personal opinion that Arabs can not admit this fact that they have been outnumbered by people who were non arabs in most of the cases and since they do not understand their ideology, instead of understanding when, what and how they did, they start condeming them and completely ignore the fact that vast majority of practicing muslims today are due to those Sufis. Who did good and who was wrong, lets just leave that to Allah and do not malign all of them just becuase what we see happening today. May be people have distorted their beliefs and practices because many of the converts were hindus and they could not get away with their old habbits.

Dear hassam, I agree with you, I wrote similar in earlier post:

I think Sufism is a bridge between Islam and Hinduism.

It appears that Sufis sitting on the "bridge" managed to attract many Hindus towards Islam. Some of the converts traveled into the "city of Islam" and managed to grasp the real spirit of Islam, some made their establishments near that "bridge" and remained partially Hindus and the Sufis are still living on that "bridge".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkz0o2ShNdo&feature=player_embedded
 
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Siasat-pk

Voter (50+ posts)
visit following thread...

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?51101-Please-pray-for-my-grandmother!

My grandmother had stroke today in the morning , now her right side is paralysed.She is in ICU . Doctors say that following 2 days are critical , please pray for her , i will be really heartily thankful to u all , help me , and administrator please donot delete this thread for two days , the more the people pray the better.:jazak:

Dear cefspan,

Asslam-o-Alaikum,

May ALlah give health to your grandmother and a long life (Aameen). My sincere advise to you that pray directly Allah for her health. Please do not go to any Dargah or Darbar. Allah's darbar is Supreme of all darbars.

Following are some link to PTV programme on the benefit of listening Surah-e-Rehman

Part1 of 5.
Part2 of 5.
Part3 of 5.
Part4 of 5.
Part5 of 5.

Following is the link for a very good recitation:

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-BY-SYED-SADAQAT-ALI&highlight=surah-e-rehman
 
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Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother cefspan, I am really sorry to know about your grandmother's sickness. May Allah give, her health and, patience to your family for passing this critical time.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think Sufism is a bridge between Islam and Hinduism. Could somebody comment?

your knowledge ab out sufism is very limited.

The first sufi that came to subcontinent was DATA sahab he came from afghanistan and most of them came from the west.

Sufism is not the byproduct of islam and hinduism it is the essence of islam.
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Dear brother read the full serah of The Prophet(pbuh), you will find once he puts his fingures in his ears bcaz some music (sound of bansuri/pipe) was coming into his ears. Music without any doubt is haram. Pork is haram eating that with honey will not make it right. Prasing Allah or His Prophet with music will not make music halal. All these Qawals, look at their appearances and match their appearances with the appearance of The Prophet (pbuh) and his followers. Go deeper find out their daily activities and compare those with the prophet and his followers and think clearing and do not fall into a trap set by shitan.
 
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