The Political Class: at it again (MQM the clear winner of the vulgarity prize on offer)

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pakstar

Guest
Re: MQM has exposed their real face and Dirty Language to public, Khrian Khrian

Wesse galiyan dene may kaun Behtar tha?
Suna hay Rizvi Sahib Shahir bhi hen

Ap k sawal ka jawab sab ko maloom ha.. issliay kehtay hein JIS KA KAAM USI KO SAJHAY
 

Winnige

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: MQM has exposed their real face and Dirty Language to public, Khrian Khrian

ye saari problems is Nawaz ko kion he, is ko kion ke tameez nahi he baat karne ki, saale jahil, it is all reaction of their dirty language, name any1, Khawaja Asif, Hanif Abbasi, P.Rasheed, all bare jahil, in sab ko Wolf Blitzer ke saamne bethao phir taalian bajao, bohot jald maren ge ye inshAllah kutte ki moot, i am praying, i request all Pakistanis to pray everyday with their namaz, Allah will end this munafiqat soon Ameen
Ap k sawal ka jawab sab ko maloom ha.. issliay kehtay hein JIS KA KAAM USI KO SAJHAY
 

Winnige

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: MQM has exposed their real face and Dirty Language to public, Khrian Khrian

i always say, badtameezi , behudgi karoge, to us ka jawaab bhi wese hi mile ga, Musharraf ko pagal kutte ne nahi kaata ke achanak wo Nawaz ko farighulbaal kehne lage, tum saalon ko tameez nahi he, jahil saale dafa ho, har aadmi tum ko gaalian nikaalta he, every1 has problems with you, Imran, Zardari, Jamaatislami, every1, bohot bare jahil

Shame on MQM
 

Winnige

Minister (2k+ posts)
Spartacus, i know this clip, yaar sorry to say, but this attitude is kind of their Munafiq leader Nawaz, ye saare Nawaz ke followers hi hen, i am sure, in ko tameez nahi he, this is what i always say, they are jahil, bohot bare jahil
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: MQM has exposed their real face and Dirty Language to public, Khrian Khrian

i always say, badtameezi , behudgi karoge, to us ka jawaab bhi wese hi mile ga, Musharraf ko pagal kutte ne nahi kaata ke achanak wo Nawaz ko farighulbaal kehne lage, tum saalon ko tameez nahi he, jahil saale dafa ho, har aadmi tum ko gaalian nikaalta he, every1 has problems with you, Imran, Zardari, Jamaatislami, every1, bohot bare jahil


http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2010-daily/31-12-2010/u57748.htm
 

fido82

Senator (1k+ posts)
ایاز امیر صاحب کا تعلق نواز لیگ سے ہے۔ اس وقت اگر یہ چپ رہتے تو شاید زیادہ بہتر ہوتا۔


یہ ایک افسوسناک واقعہ ہے اور نہ ہوتا تو بہتر تھا۔

مگر ایاز امیر صاحب اس پر بات ہی کرنی ہے تو جا کر کوئی یہ چھوٹی سی بات انکی کھوپڑی میں گھسائے کہ لڑائی شروع کرنے والے پر سب سے بڑا الزام آتا ہے۔

ایاز صاحب چوہدری نثار کو دودھ میں سے مکھن کی طرح نکال لر لے جانا چاہتے ہیں، مگر چوہدری نثار اس معاملے میں دودھ میں مکھن نہیں ہیں بلکہ گند ہیں اور یہ سارا فساد انہیں کی وجہ سے شروع ہوا ہے۔

اور اردو سپیکنگ کی بات بھی ایاز صاحب نہ بہت خوب کی۔ لوگ سمجھتے ہیں کہ یہ تو بھیا لوگ ہیں، انکی زبان نہیں ہوتی انہیں دبانا آسان ہے وغیرہ وغیرہ۔ مگر ایاز صاحب یہی غلطی ہم پاکستانیوں کو ایک دفعہ پہلے مشرقی پاکستان میں بھی ہو چکی ہے جہاں ہم نے بنگالی بھائیوں کو بابو سمجھ رکھا تھا۔ انسان انسان ہے اور جب آپ لڑائی کا آغاز کرو گے تو پھر نتائج کی ذمہ داری بھی آپ پر ہی عائد ہو گی۔


ایاز امیر صاحب، ۔

ہمیں علم ہے کہ جنرل نصیر اللہ بابر آپ کے چہیتے ہیں۔ مگر آپ کے انہیں لاڈلے جنرل نصیر اللہ بابر نے ہی نے پہلے ماورائے عدالت قتل کرتے ہوئے کراچی کے حالات خراب کیے اور "حقیقی" کے قاتل دہشتگردوں کی مدد سے ملیر اور دیگر علاقوں کو نو گو ایریا بنا دیا؟ آپ کی یاداشت تو کمزور ہو سکتی ہے، مگر اہلیان کراچی کی نہیں۔ جی ہاں وہی اہلیانِ کراچی جن پر اتنا ظلم و جبر ہونے کے باوجود الیکشن میں حقیقی کراچی سے نہیں جیت سکی اور آج اسکا نام و نشان تک مٹنے کو ہے۔

اور وحید کاکڑ کے متعلق بھی ایاز امیر صاحب جھوٹ بول رہے ہیں یا پھر انتہائی غلطی پر ہیں۔

حامد میر نے جنگ اخبار مورخہ 3 ستمبر 2009 کو یہ ایک کالم لکھا۔ اسے غور سے پڑھئیے اور آپ کو پھر ایاز امیر (میر؟؟) کے جھوٹے ہونے کا ثبوت مل جائے گا:۔

پھر جنوری 1999ء آیا۔ نواز شریف حکومت کراچی میں فوجی عدالتیں قائم کرنا چاہتی تھی۔ میں فوجی عدالتوں کی تجویز کے خلاف کالم لکھ رہا تھا۔ ایک دن وزیر اطلاعات مشاہد حسین نے آرمی چیف جنرل پرویز مشرف کے ساتھ کچھ صحافیوں کی ملاقات کا اہتمام کیا۔ ملاقات میں مشرف نے فوجی عدالتوں کے فائدے بتانے شروع کئے تو میں نے کہا کہ فوجی عدالتوں کے ذریعے ایم کیو ایم سے سیاسی انتقام لیا جائے گا اس لئے فوج کو یہ کام نہیں کرنا چاہئے۔ یہ سن کر مشرف نے الطاف حسین کے بارے میں ایک لمبی تقریر کی۔ انہوں نے دعویٰ کیا کہ الطاف حسین اور عاصمہ جہانگیر پاکستان کے دشمن ہیں۔ ایک موقع پر انہوں نے شدید غصے میں ضیاء الدین اور سعود ساحر کو مخاطب کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ میرا بس چلے تو اپنے ہاتھ سے الطاف حسین کو گولی مار دوں۔ اس فقرے پر ہماری مشرف سے گرما گرمی ہوگئی لیکن موقع پر موجود جنرل عزیز خان نے معاملہ ٹھنڈا کروا دیا۔
مشرف صاحب کی متحدہ کے خلاف یہ غلط فہمی صرف 2002 کے بعد ختم ہوئی جب دونوں نے ایک دوسرے کے ساتھ مل کر حکومت کرنا شروع کی اور کراچی کو دیکھتے ہی دیکھتے پاکستان کا بہترین شہر بنا دیا۔

اور اہلیان کراچی اسی منافقت کی وجہ سے نصیر اللہ بابر اور ایاز امیر جیسے لوگوں پر لعنت بھیجتے ہوئے متحدہ کو آج ووٹ دیتے ہیں کیونکہ ان لوگوں کی چہیتی "حقیقی" ہے اور آج تک انہوں نے اس ماورائے عدالت قتل عام پر معافی مانگی ہے اور نہ شرمسار ہیں۔

اور انہیں دکھ ہے کہ مشرف دور میں انٹیلیجنس ایجنسیوں نے حقیقی کے قاتلوں کو جیلوں میں کیوں بند کر دیا۔ تو جناب انہی انٹیلیجنس ایجنسیوں نے ہی تو حقیقی کو بنایا تھا، اور پھر انہوں نے ہی انہیں بند کر دیا تو ان لوگوں کو کیوں اتنی تکلیف ہو رہی ہے؟ اہلیانِ کراچی کے برعکس آپ لوگ چاہتے ہی یہی ہیں کہ کراچی میں قتل و دہشتگردی کا کھیل جاری رہے کیونکہ یہ واحد طریقہ ہے جس سے آپ متحدہ کے خلاف آپریشن شروع کر سکتے ہیں۔

اور ان لوگوں کا منہ اُس وقت مزید کالا ہوا جب مشرف حکومت بھی چلی گئی اور انکی چہیتی افتخار چوہدری کی آزاد عدالت بھی آ گئی اور اس آزاد عدالت نے انکے جرائم کے پیشِ نظر حقیقی کے ان قاتلوں کی سزا برقرار رکھی اور انہیں مجرم قرار دیا۔

اب بھی ایاز امیر جیسے لوگ ان مجرموں کو گلے سے لگائے رکھنا چاہتے اور ان کے قید کیے جانے پر احتجاج کر رہے ہیں تو ہم لوگ ایسی منافقت پر اللہ کی لعنت بھیجنے کے سوا اور کچھ نہیں کر سکتے۔




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putar kha

Voter (50+ posts)
By Ayaz Amir in The News

If this system, as we like to call it, falls apart, let the blame not rest on General Headquarters (GHQ), the inner sanctum from which have flown over the years the sum of so many of our national follies. The blame will have to be shouldered, in differing proportions naturally, by the political class, or rather its leaders, who with each passing day are showing in ample measure that the challenges facing this luckless nation are simply beyond them.

Lucklesshow else should one designate the Islamic Republic, to the bright-eyed an impregnable fortress of Islam, high on fantasy and hype but, alas, somewhat low on what is generally understood by achievement?

If Zardari, the national Demosthenes who cant get a word right when he speaks in public, were the only problem we faced there wouldnt be much to cry about. But throw a wearisome eye around the political arena and occupying the choicest seats MQM, Maulana Fazlur Rehmans JUI, a startling collection of orators in the PPP itself is a cast of characters who would make the Lucky Irani Circus (I can think of no other comparison) look like a solemn gathering of the Church of Rome.

As if the antics emanating from the ruling coalition were not enough Maulana Fazlur Rehman trying out a new line of indignation and making the prime minister his principal target, for reasons too irrelevant to enumerate here, and the MQM Fuehrer, Altaf Hussain, blowing hot and cold (we must have done something to deserve him and his alarming talent for amazing histrionics) we have the bemusing spectacle of the PML-N and the MQM engaged in an exchange of public insults that in this winter of multiple shortages we could have done without.

Although my friend Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan could have avoided saying a few things his tone at least was measured. But the response from the MQMs Haider Abbas Rizvi and Waseem Akhtar was totally unrestrained. They said things of which a schoolboy with his senses about him would have felt ashamed. And they were frothing at the mouth, playing not so much to any kind of gallery at home but to their distant leader in London. They simply went too far, and this from the supposed legatees of the Urdu civilisation of Central India.

Whats happened to the art of the elegant insult? Churchill saying of Attlee that he was a modest man and had much to be modest aboutDisraeli asked about the difference between a disaster and a catastrophe and explaining that if Mr Gladstone (his great political rival) were to fall into the water and be in danger of drowning that would be a disaster, but if someone were to pull him out that would be a catastrophe.

Or Noor Jahan being told that Sardar Muhammad Iqbal, once-upon-a-time chief justice of the Lahore High Court, spoke very well baatein bohut achi karte hain saying that, yes, he spoke very wellsaari raat baatein hee karte rahtay hainthroughout the night he only speaks, said with a half-smile on her face, no doubt on the basis of experience. It cant get more subtle than this.

In the context of Pakistan, Churchillian or Disraelian analogies are perhaps far-fetched. We are a nation of orators and poets. When we have to say something we declaim and hold others by the collar to grab and preserve their attention. Conversation as such is not a sub-continental talent declamation is. Even so, politics, a grim business most of the time, can do with a bit of humour and sarcasm. There is no insult imaginable, right down to questioning someones parentage or casting aspersions on his manhood, which cannot be conveyed given the right use of words.

The MQM resides in a claustrophobic world of its own. Engaging it as if it were an equal, which it is not, is hardly a mark of wisdom. The PML-N is a national party, twice having led the country, and waiting in the wings to lead it once more. If a further response from its side is called for, it should be dismissive and, with luck, withering. There the matter should rest. The PML-N does itself no service by stooping to the MQMs level.

As interior minister, Gen Naseerullah Babar did not bandy words with the MQM. When things got out of hand in Karachi in mid-1995 he started an operation which ended by breaking the MQMs back. It was Musharraf whom Gen Wahid Kakar as army chief used to call my MQM general who helped the MQM back on its feet. In exchange for the MQMs unqualified and indeed blind support the keys of Karachi, so to speak, were handed over to the MQM. It was not the MQM which crushed Afaq Ahmeds Haqiqi. The Haqiqis were quarantined and the threat they posed to Altaf snuffed out by the armys intelligence agencies.

There is a time for action and a time for words. The ANP is playing a far shrewder game, fighting a turf battle in Karachi with the MQM, using much the same methods as the MQM has perfected over the years. The PML-N should be concentrating on building its own base in Karachi. The time for words will come later.

The present, it hardly needs saying, is a very critical time. The PPP government at the centre has arrived at the last stages of exhaustion. Zardari, the kingpin of the present order, has no further tricks up his sleeve. Trying to mollify Maulana Fazlur Rehman or further molly-coddle the MQM is not even funny any more. Governance is at a standstill, the economic situation threatening, with no miracles in sight. This is not power, or any remote exercise of itthis is merely hanging on to power, grimly and with the skin of ones teeth, in lieu of a better, or more workable, alternative.

Pundits and political observers are trying to find a rational explanation for the goings-on on the national scene. But there is no rational explanation for these seemingly disconnected events. The political class is performing to no set score composed by a higher authority. For the most part unwittingly, it finds itself caught in a danse macabre, dance of death, in which the end result, as far as mortal eye can make out, is not the consolidation of the present order but its steady dissipation.

It has all happened very quickly, in fast-forward motion: the rumblings from the Haj scandal; the public spat between Haj minister, Hamid Saeed Kazmi, and Maulana Fazlur Rehmans nominee and wealthy sponsor, Azam Swati; their sacking from the cabinet; the JUI-Fs departure from the federal cabinet; and the Maulanas assault on Prime Minister Gilani, asking for his head from President Zardari. And on the edges of these gathering storm clouds, the exchange of insults between the PML-N and the MQM, the MQM the clear winner of the vulgarity prize on offer.

It is not so much a question of numbers as of a demystification of the political order. The political process no longer is in anyones control, not even in that of our temple of last resort, GHQ and its supposedly subordinate agencies, the fount of so many of our national sorrows. We are adrift on the tide of events, with no hand on the rudder and both Zardari and Gilani etching their names in history as the most helpless of that long line of tribunes who took it in turns to screw what could have been a fairly worthy enterprise.

The great danger, or call it the great temptation, in this increasingly fluid situation is for the revival of the saviour complex in the army, a sentiment which has already brought the country to grief four times. Appearances may suggest otherwise, to support PM Gilanis oft-repeated assertion that the army, and its current chief, will never intervene. But appearances are of small comfort when the pilots on deck are no good and the way ahead is dangerous.

Whats to be done?asked Lenin in a famous essay. He gave the answer and, when the time came, acted upon it. There is no Lenin around and not too many people even asking this question. But Allah being on our side, let us hope for a happy conclusion.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=23015&Cat=9


It was Musharraf whom Gen Wahid Kakar as army chief used to call my MQM general

Ayaz Ameer , where is the proof that when Gen. Kakar has said abt Gen. Mush. is my MQM general. We people from karachi knows very well abt Ayaz Ameer he is one of those punjabi chauvinist who hardly swallow existance of mqm in pakistan. i completely agreed, both sides have used very bad language and they should be ashamed on their actions. But dont forget also it is 1st mr. been who started all this and mr. been think himself that he is some kind of big dog in pakistani politics and he can say anything to any politician and he is mr. clean.
All i can say abt Ayaz Ameer, he is just a disgrace.
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: MQM has exposed their real face and Dirty Language to public, Khrian Khrian

Bil Akhir.. Wasim Akhtar, Haider Abbas aur Mustafa Kamal.. apni asleeyaaat per agey.. aur Poray Pakistan nay daik liay MQM ka asli chehra aur MQM ki asli Zuban.. aur un k naam nihaad perhay likhay honay k daway..

Ager yeh perhay likhay hein to Allah aisa perha likha kissi ko na keray..

Sahi kaha Zulfiqar Mirza nay.. yeh Bahata lainay walay aur badmash heinn.. saad raqiue said k MQM ki siasat Goli aur Gali ki ha...

sab in ki guftagoo say zahir ho geya..
they have shown their real face in past too,but did anything change?
ppl will keep voting for them,till allah drowns them into oblivion
nothing is gonna change

i am against nawaz shareef but in all fairness nawaz shareef did not use any vulgar language like mqm ppl used.they even reached daughters of shareefs and even abused punjab by saying that in every punjabi house there is mujra,this is height of insult on punjabi people,what if punjabis say same about mqm people who really are characterless,would they like it?
similar vulgar language was used by mqm people against imran khan in past where obscene slogans against imran khans dead mother and father were raised...not even jews are this vulgar brained as mqm
i have many articles of past regarding mqm leaders heinous moral crimes but in regards of decency we never publish it
mqm people and leader did not even spare the honour of their own community women and this vulgar mentality is the cause that they readily start abusing other peoples women
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
and its true ,musharaf was on more than one occasion was about to be thrown out from pak army due to his characterlessness,but one time a mohajir general did his safarish and saved him ,and on other occasions too he played his mohajir card,,,this is all part of history now
 

zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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http://www.jasarat.com/epaper/mmdetails.php?date=03-01-2011&file=02&category=editorial

Aaieena dekh saktay hoo too dekhoo.
 

fido82

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: MQM has exposed their real face and Dirty Language to public, Khrian Khrian

Bil Akhir.. Wasim Akhtar, Haider Abbas aur Mustafa Kamal.. apni asleeyaaat per agey.. aur Poray Pakistan nay daik liay MQM ka asli chehra aur MQM ki asli Zuban.. aur un k naam nihaad perhay likhay honay k daway..

Ager yeh perhay likhay hein to Allah aisa perha likha kissi ko na keray..

Sahi kaha Zulfiqar Mirza nay.. yeh Bahata lainay walay aur badmash heinn.. saad raqiue said k MQM ki siasat Goli aur Gali ki ha...

sab in ki guftagoo say zahir ho geya..

Ham admi hain tumary jasay jo tum karo gay wo ham karenge. eent ka jawab phatar sy .....
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: MQM has exposed their real face and Dirty Language to public, Khrian Khrian

I agreed with you but dont forget Nawaz groups are DACOAIT yeah MQM walay to sirf bhata khoor hey jub kay Nawaz GANNGAAA jo hey wo to poori pakistan ki wealth bher lay gia

if you do comparison between two who is better for Pakistan

Atleast MQM only take few thousand dollars from people but NAWAZ took Billions of dollar OUT from Pakistan

Faqira jee, you are volentarily admitting taking few thousand dollars from the people of Pakistan and it is a good thing. Now tell me, if I send a Lahori policeman, would you confess the total amount? It will be a noble thing! Na...you won't know what noble is. Actually, the people of Pakistan fire you both, PMLN and MQM.