Humi
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
explain please...
The-Signs: Are our days Numbered?
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explain please...
Mr AlMahdi:
Advice for you.
Kindly correct your believes or else remain as a Shia as you are now.
Remember Dajjal supporters will arise from Iran which we can see in Syria right now, the same people who started worshiping Bashr ul Asad. You can see in my previous posts the video proof and Iran is proud of Helping these people.
Secondly go through this Video which Explains things in quit good manner.
Thanks,
kya explain?......anyway ever heard about rationality?........
Humi
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
so you think believing in the return of jesus christ is irrational?
Humi
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
you know just because a shia dominated country supports the worshiping of Asaad or that is where dajjal supporters arise from doesn't mean all Shias are bad...pakistan is a sunni majority country and looks what happens here in the name of Islam...and before someone jumps me, no I am not Shia..
you really want me to answer that?........you don't like me or what?.........(bigsmile)
fasmik
Senator (1k+ posts)
khuda raa in loogoon koo joo pakistanion kay qatil hain us lashkar sai naah milaeen malaza karen yeh sabooth but pls taassub kii Ainak uthaar kar.
Sunnan Ib Maja (Vol,1 page 517 Al Tazia,Egypt) cited the following tradition from
Narrated by Alqamah from Abdullah bin Masood:Talibani/Deobandi Claim
One day we were sitting with Holy Prophet(s) whwn some children from the house of Bani Hashim came there.When the Holy Prophet(s) saw them,tears welled up in his eyes and he became pale.
Ibn Masood said that he told the Holy Prophet(s) "Your face reflects axiety".The Holy Prophet(s) stated:"Exalted God has granted us,the Ahlulbait,Hereafter instead of wordly pleasure.
After me,soon my Ahlubait will face calamity,harship and misery till people having black flags will rise from East and seek justice,which will be denied them.They will wage war,they will be supported and will be given what they were demanding.They will not accept until it is handed over to one from our Ahlulbait (i.e. Mahdi) .He will fill the earth with justice as it was filled with unjustice.Whoever amongst you is alive at that period,should try to reach them even if he has to tread on ince in that persuit."
1)They claim that in ancient time "Khurassan" was indicated as "Khurasaan-e-Buzurg" and it consisted of Areas of Afghanistan (while Present Khurasaan contains sacred City of Mashhad)
Wahabi Deobandies are doing a lot of Propaganda in Pakistan now-a-days by using this hadith. Therefore, let us analyse this hadith so that Batil should be made clear. Insha-Allah.
ANALYSIS of This Hadith
1) People of Ahle Bait (family of Prophet) will face calamity. (While Nasibi Deobandi Sapah Sahaba deny calamity of Fatima (salam Allah Alaiha), and also believe that YAZID is promised for Paradise..... )
1.1) Rasool Allah started weeping upon the calmities of Ahle Bait, but here is Sapah Sahaba who never weeps for what happened to Hussainin Karbala.
Just see who are Ahle Bait? Were it wives of Muhammad (saw) who were driven out of their homes ? Or were it progeny of Muhammad (saw) who faced calmities?
2) People will rise to assist them with BLACK FLAGS [Need I to tell you who are the holder of these Black Flags throughout whole History?]
3) These people will come from EAST
[Another hadith says that from EAST, it means "KHURASAAN". This hadith has been quoted by Mawlana Israr Ahmad in his book "Shia Sunni Mufahimat ki ahmiat aur zaroorat"]
4) These people are those, who are SAD FOR THE Calamites upon Ahle Bait (family of Prophet), and they love Ahle Bait above all.
Need I still to tell you more who are the people who are SAD and thus indicated in these Ahadith of Mahdi ?
One more Hadith about Black Flags:
"Thawbaan reported that the Prophet (Sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) said, 'Three will fight for the your treasure (of the Ka`bah), each of them the son of a 'Khaleefah', it will be rendered to none of them. Then from the direction of the East will emerge black flags. Then they will fight you like they have fought none before.' Then some words were spoken which I did not remember. He then said, 'If you see him, give bay`ah to him even if you must crawl over ice. For, verily, he is the 'Khaleefah' of Allah (Khaleefatullaah), the Mahdi"This Hadeeth is found in Ibn Maajah, Ahmad's Musnad, al-Haakim's Mustadrak and others. Now when analyzing the chain of narration found in Ibn Maajah's Sunan I found the narrators to be the following:
1) Reported to Ibn Maajah by both Muhammad bin Yahya and Ahmad bin Yusuf - Both reliable; Imam Muslim has said about Ahmad bin Yusuf, "He is reliable (thiqqah)." an-Nasaa'i has said, "There is no problem in him." ad-DaraaquTni has said, "Reliable and noble (thiqqah nabeel)."
2) `Abdur-Razzaq bin Hammaam as-San`aani - Reliable. Ahmad bin Hanbal was asked about him, "Have you seen anyone better in Hadeeth than `Abdur-Razzaaq?" He replied, "No".
3) Sufyaan ath-Thawri - Too reputable to record his merits. Very reliable. Shu`bah, Sufyaan bin `Uyaynah, Abu `AaSim an-Nabeel and YaHya ibn Ma`een among others said: "Sufyaan is the 'Ameer al-Mu'mineen" of Hadeeth"!
4) Khaalid bin Mahraan al-Hathaa' - Reliable. Ahmad bin Hanbal has said, "Trustworthy (thabt)." Ibn Ma`een and an-Nasaa'i have both said, "Reliable (thiqqah)."
5) Abi Qulaaba Abdullaah bin Zayd al-Harrami - Reliable. Muhammad bin Sa`d has said in his "at-Tabaqah ath-Thaaniyah min Ahl al-Basrah" about him, "He was reliable (thiqqah)."
6) Abu Asmaa' `Amroo bin Marthad ar-RaHabi - Reliable. al-`Ijly has said about him, "Shaami, Tabi`ee, Reliable (thiqqah)."
7) Thawbaan - Companion and servant of the Prophet (Sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam).
8) The Prophet (Sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam).
["Tahtheeb al-Kamaal" of al-Mizzi and "Tahtheeb at-Tahtheeb" of Ibn Hajar were referenced for verification of the Narrators]
Talibans could never become the heirs of Aale Muhammad and Mahdi, while:
- The Taliban organization is only 20 years old.
- It has failed to achieve anything other than chaos and bloodshed.
- They do not believe in justice, only in whim.
- They are not fighting for Ahl al-bayt .
- If they believed in Mehdi they would not be so desperate.
- They are oppression, murder, ruthlessness and minionship of the lesser and greater Shaitaan.
- Their futile terrorist activity suggests that they are utter garbage and are merely a failed experiment.
Sunnan Abu Dawud", vol 3, page 22, Kitab-ul-Jihad, and "Tarmidhi Shareef", vol. 1, pge 528:
"There was a special flag of Rasool Allah (saw), whose name was "Uqaab" عقاب and it consisted of curtain of Aisha's house. And it's colour was black."And in book "Tadhrikatul Khawas-ul-Ummah", page 54, it is written:"During the war of Siffin there was a day when Muawiyyah's army killed Ammar Yasir , who was a great companion of Nabi (saw) [Sahih Bukhari, vol 1, page 94,]. Rasool (saw) told Ammar that a group of rebells will kill you. That day Mawla Ali as.gif took the (black) Alam (flag) of Nabi (saw) and came out in the battlefield. He gave this 'Alam to Qais Ibn Sa'ad ibn 'Abaada. When the Badri Sahaba (who participated in battle of Badr), and other Ansar and Mahajireen saw, they gathered under it and remembered the times of Rasool Allah (saww). They started weeping bitterly after seeing that flag."
Brother your post is all filled with hatred towards Taliban, which is a reflection of strong affect of western media. This is what western propaganda teaches us all.
How can you be so sure of their intentions and actions when you have never come across a single one of them. May be you have been told of their anti-shia mindset, which is not correct. This bunch of thugs killing in pakistan are not Taliban. Although they call themselves so but these are self proclaimed stray people who wanted to achieve some recoganition and most are supported by outside aid.
I dont support any group but one must realize that goal of the Real Taliban and Shia Iran are same i.e. defiance of western evil powers.Why cant we all unite for the cause ? Even the most knowledgeable Ulema of all sects support the same. In our ignorance, we people of Islam fight each other and will be condemned to hell by illegitimately killing fellow Muslims.
Shia dushmani main insaan ko itna bhi andha naheen hona chahey ji haan jab usa and other western countries are allied of saudia and other arab states so why not basar alasad? 2nd thing is i just came from zayarath from syria im sure u just heard the name of syria but i saw over there wats happening and wat ppl need over there im totaly against basar aqeeda but do u know that govt give passage to palestinian aid from iran and intl comunity watever they eant to help palestine ppl and hezullah they are also getting aid from there, do u know wat will happend when western intrest govt come to syria which is very much in the card and inshaAllah sufyani will come through this revoloution and wT will happend next u might know in other side wat will u say hen sufyani will kharooj from syria and it means all sunni will be a part of sufyani? Ist of all iranian they are the one who will inshaAllah for e of imam mahdi cus it is in our believe and other side most of ppl from ur school of thought they do t believe on imam mahdi for example javed ghamdi, tableeghi jamaath and other ppl too iss liey tum spni soocho tum aya sufyani kay saath kharey hoo gai ya Bibi Fatima zahra kay Aakhri laal kay saath rahi tumarey talibani jihadion kii poori dunya jaanthi hai kay yeh qatil hain aur abu sufyan kay shajrae mamnooha kay perokaar hain wat ever i bring in this forum its come from sunnah books so dont bring any thing which i dont trust .
Humi
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I think i already know the answer...
I do t know what was ur purpose to bring this video we r talking bout diffrent issue and if u want to debate bout this issue believe me u might chek my previos post here i will not dissapointed u in this matter too if u take permission from admin that they will not delete my post i will bring u here who runaway from uhad ghazawa and the refrence will come from ur school of thought books and many more thing in tunnel all will come from sunnh books so dont try to take me towards sectarion debate cus i know in the end my post will deleted again and i will face one more time week a so banned or may be this time for ever so just t ake pernission from them and believe me iwill bring evey thing about ur and my faith and i want to reuest admin too that i dont want to start sectarion debate but if it will started then pls allowed us for. Better result as i know this is not a religos site but whe s ome one force u then u need to reply for that.
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Allah k waste sahaba karam ki izzat karain.
Hazrat Abu sufyan bhi aik jaleel ul qadar sahabi Rasool (saw) hain
Dear Brother .......... please don't take messages of Rasool Allah PBUH so lightly and focus on it:
Naeem bin Hammad narrated on the authority of Mohammad bin alhanfiya that "Black flags of Banu-Abbas shall be raised, then shall emerge the black-flag from Khorasan. (Ref: Naeem bin Hammad ; Kitab ul Fatan)
Naeem bin Hammad narrated on the authority of Mohammad bin alhanfiya that "Black flags of Banu-Abbas shall be raised, then shall emerge the black-flag from Khorasan. (Ref: Naeem bin Hammad ; Kitab ul Fatan)
What all these ahadith than refer to???
What would you follow? Rehman Malik and Pakistani medias' version of Men of Black flags
OR
You would yourself investigate and believe on Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) Sayings???
Allah ki Qasam kha kar teen sawalon ka jawab dain:
a. Have you ever met with any Taliban yourself?
b. Have you ever seen Taliban are given chance to speak on tv programs and other medias?
c. Have you ever visited FATA, PATA, Afghanistan yourself?
bhai saab itney jazbati math howen yeh sayah ghandey joo hain woh khurasaan jiss ka zikar hai woh iran ka hai kabhi time miley to map check karlen and 2nd thing is that who gave u this idea that im taking ahadees of prophet Mohamaad pbuh lightly hamari jaaney fida hoon un per aur un kii AAl per hum gustakhi ka too sooch bhi naheen saktey per i want to advice you on 1400 years b4 and still now khurasaan is a part of iran too and khurasaan words come from persian language may be u heard about one minister name i forgot it but he is remember in history as khurasani and he was iran, and 2ndly we are waiting for imam mahdi no other sect believe on him like what we did so pls try to find it in books of sunnah and some time from shia books too and in last when we debate its always a key idea to give refrence from opposite books refrence that what i always did here if you check my all quote thnks alot for understanding me.
bhai i respect ur faith but i will do when i check this hadees that sufyani will come to fight with imam Mahdi as and he will be from AAle Abu SUFYAN so i cannot do any thing but to believe it cus it is a authentic and you can ask from ur molvi saab but it is better if you google it thnks alot for understanding in advance.
Ap aik kam karain ......... main apko yea references bata deta hoon ..... in par ja kar tafseel say khud Khorasan kay baray main jan lain ......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khorasan
Islam : A Short History , "by Karen Armstrong
or see the work of Edward Gibbon ..................
Itna kuch batany kay bad ...... bhi agar ap ikhtalaf karain tu Quran tells that "People dissent with each other mostly for their egos and animosity"
Kia ap nay apni ankhon talay poori dunnya ko In black flags walon say defeat khata nahi dekh lia ....... Agar ab bhi apko samajh nahi aa rahi tu ....... ic say ziyada main ap say arguments karnay ko tayar nahi hoon .....
Jazak Allah Khair!
