The Sufi, The Salafi & Akhirruzaman By Sheikh Imran Hosein

[Cheeko]

To Cheeko:

Real petty minds always nit-pick on the non-essential things and go off on a tangent. Instead of focusing on the content of this man's speech, Cheeko goes off on a tangent on the color of his beard and what finger he wears a ring on! Subhan Allah. The other puritan, Moahhid, goes off on another tangent on sufism and how its all "bid'ah, shirk, haram..." and the usual takfiri nonsense.

Cheeko, almost everyone that you have quoted in your cut/paste job (such as Imam Nawawi al Shafi'i, Imam Al-Baji Al-Maliki, Ibn Abideen ash-Shaami Al-Hanafi et al) to back up your tangential verbal diarrhea happen to be not only sufis of their times, but also followers (muqallideen) of the madhdhahib (Jurisprudic schools of thought). Now isn't that against your manhaj where following a madhdhab is synonymous to shirk to you guys? Ma sha Allah, Imam Nawawi, Baji, Ibn Hajr Al-Haytami, Ash-shaami were all mushriks, right? And you are grossly misinterpreting the issue of rings. The hadith categorically states that the prohibition is on wearing a ring with the same inscription as that of Rasulullah (SAW). The hadith does not prohibit from wearing a ring in any other finger; it only says that Rasulullah (SAW) wore his ring in the little finger. Now how on Earth you deduced from this hadith that wearing a ring on any other finger is haram, bid'ah, shirk (or whatever takfiri adjective you can spew) is a mystery to anyone with half a brain.

With reference to the hadith of Imam Ali from Sahih Muslim that you pasted:

Ali Bin Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: Allahs Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade me that I should wear a ring in this and that finger of mine, and he pointed to the middle finger and the next one. [Sahih Muslim (no. 2078)]

Kindly note that NONE of the fuqaha have taken this hadith to mean that it is haram to wear the ring on the middle, index or ring finger! They have explained this hadith in many ways starting from the that it is specifically for Hazrat Ali (RA); to the fact that a lone narrative cannot be used to pronounce a thing as haram; and also that Ali was told not to wear it on the other fingers because the other fingers are used more often.

Therefore, Imam Nawawi (in the same book that you have cut/pasted from) mentions that one CAN wear a ring in other fingers, but that it is a discouraged act. Please note that makrooh (disliked/discouraged) is world apart from haram (prohibited). The ahnaaf (hanafis) have classified makrooh in two types: (1) Makrooh Tanzihi; (2) Makrooh Tahrimi. Tanzihi means that if someone does such an act then there is NO SIN on him/her whereas Tahrimi means that doing such an act incurs sin.

Wearing of the ring in other fingers is classified as Makrooh Tanzihi. So, please, just because you don't like the man doesn't mean you look for concocted and twisted interpretations to make him sound like a sinner and a lesser human than yourself. If you want the references for the above then you only have to ask and I will be more than pleased to oblige.

In the same vein, all of the material that you copy/paste on the discussion of the akabireen/muhadditheen on the wearing of the ring in the little finger does not mention that wearing on any other finger is diallowed. If you EVER read these books for yourself you would know that these same ulama have called it permissible to wear the ring in other fingers! And PLEASE do yourself and stop quoting sufis since you have a big problem with them. Do you even know who Imam Ibn Hajr Al-Haytami was? He was the chief Shafi'i jurist of his time and a self-professed sufi. He was so attached to sufism that you probably have never read how severely he criticized Ibn Taymiyyah (rah) for opposing some sufi practices. If you could only read his book, Fatawa Al-Hadithiyyah, you would see the harsh words he uses for Ibn Taymiyyah.

Aleph don't get me wrong, I personally don't care what this self righteous molvi sb does in his public and private life as long as me and my religious practices aren't attacked by him. He can wear a ring in his thumb, nose or ear I don't care at all.

I listened to his whole lecture and then commented in the same tone and methodology in which he criticised sufi practices by using the shield of sunnah. He also knit-picked out of a whole range of sufi practices and so the reply in the same tone. Your criticism or taking his side makes no sense unless you are his follower. His only main argument against sufis was the celebration of Mawlid citing that it wasn't practised in the days of khilafat. Listen to the part concerning sufis in the video below it is just a less than 6 minute clip. Mind you your ring wearing explanation of the Hadees are your not that of the past age scholars.

This molvi sb relies on falsehood to disseminate his understanding of Islam. Which Sufi has ever forcibly compelled any person on earth to celebrate Mawlid or what is also called Eid Milad un Nabi ? Their are books written by Islamic scholars who claim that Mawlid was celebrated during the Khilafat. Even if those books are considered unreliable and Mawlid is considered as bidah then still authentic Hadees books legitimize good innnovations or bidah.

The good innovations in Islamic rituals are not only allowed but encouraged. Let us read what has been said about good innovations in Hadees book.

Jarir b. Abdullah reported that some desert Arabs clad in woollen clothes came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He saw them in sad plight as they had been hard pressed by need. He (the Holy Prophet) exhorted people to give charity, but they showed some reluctance until (signs) of anger could be seen on his face. Then a person from the Ansar came with a purse containing silver. Then came another person and then other persons followed them in succession until signs of happiness could be seen on his (sacred) face. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who introduced some good practice in Islam which was followed after him (by people) he would be assured of reward like one who followed it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect. And he who introduced some evil practice in Islam which had been followed subsequently (by others), he would be required to bear the burden like that of one who followed this (evil practice) without their's being diminished in any respect [Sahih Muslim chapter 34 # 6466]

Islam is an easy and accommodating religion provided the basic tenets are not touched or changed. It absorbs all cultures and traditions.


Many people introduced innovations which have been accepted as good ones. Read this Hadees and it is only one example and if you want I can give you many examples.


Narrated Thumama: Anas said, "Um Sulaim used to spread a leather sheet for the Prophet and he used to take a midday nap on that leather sheet at her home." Anas added, "When the Prophet had slept, she would take some of his sweat and hair and collect it (the sweat) in a bottle and then mix it with Suk (a kind of perfume) while he was still sleeping. "When the death of Anas bin Malik approached, he advised that some of that Suk be mixed with his Hanut (perfume for embalming the dead body), and it was mixed with his Hanut [Sahih Bukhari chapter 74 #298]

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[Cheeko]

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[Cheeko]

You are right brother in your analysis. Majority of sufi practices which make them distinct from main stream Muslims are not from Islam. These are invented stuff and far from the straight path of Islam. Anyone with a sound mind and even a little knowledge of Quran and Sunnah can understand that.

Alhamdulillah I have enough knowledge to counter your false allegations against sufis. Start one by one and I will make sure that I answer a low life Najdi blind follower like you. Though no Najdi has ever given me any logical reply to the Hadees about Najdis. You can give it a try too.


0087 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) remarked: The summit of unbelief is towards the East and the pride and conceitedness is found among the owners of horses and camels who are rude and uncivil, people of the tents, and tranquillity is found among those who rear goats and sheep.

0088 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: The belief is among the Yemenites, and the unbelief is towards the East, and tranquillity is among those who rear goats and sheep, and pride and simulation is among the uncivil and rude owners of horses and camels.

0089 It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira: I heard the Messenger of Allah saying this: Pride and conceitedness is found among the uncivil owners of the camels and tranquillity is found among the owners of sheep and goats.

0090 The same hadith has been narrated by Zuhri with the same chain of authorities with the addition: The belief is among the Yemenites, the sagacity is that of the Yemenites.

0091 Abu Huraira said: I heard the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) saying: There came the people of Yemen, they are tender of feelings and meek of hearts. The belief is that of the Yemenites, the sagacity is that of the Yemenites, the tranquillity is among the owners of goats and sheep, and pride and conceitedness is among the uncivil owners of the camels, the people of the tents in the direction of sunrise.

0094 Shu'ba narrated the hadith as reported by Jarir with the same chain of narrators with this addition: Pride and conceitedness is among the owners of the camels and tranquillity and sobriety is found amongst the owners of sheep.

0095 It is reported on the authority of Jabir b. Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and, blessings be upon him) observed: The callousness of heart and sternness is in the East and faith is among the people of the Hijaz.

'The Chapter of Zakat (Kitab Al-Zakat)' of Sahih Muslim

2335 Abu Dharr reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily there would arise from my Ummah after me or soon after me a group (of people) who would recite the Qar'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey, and they would never come back to it. They would be the worst among the creation and the creatures. Ibn Samit (one of the narrators) said: I met Rafi' b. 'Amr Ghifari, the brother of Al-Hakam Ghifari and I said: What is this hadith that I heard from Abu Dharr, i. e. so and so? -and then I narrated that hadith to him and said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him).

2336 Yusair b. 'Amr reported that he inquired of Sahl b. Hunaif: Did you hear the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of the Khwarij? He said: I heard him say (and he pointed with his hand towards the east) that these would be a people who would recite the Qur'an with their tongues and it would not go beyond their collar bones. They would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey.

2337 This hadith had been transmitted by Sulaiman Shaibani with the same chain of narrators (and the words are)," There would arise out of (this group) many a group"

2338 Sahl b. Hunaif reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise from the east a people with shaven heads.


Sahih Bukhari Chapter 88

212 Narrated Salim's father: The Prophet stood up beside the pulpit (and pointed with his finger towards the East) and said, "Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out," or said, "..the side of the sun.."

213 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: I heard Allah's Apostle while he was facing the East, saying, "Verily! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out."

214 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan."


Malik Muwatta

Book 54:
Malik related to me from Abdullah ibn Dinar that Abdullah ibn Umar said, "I saw the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, pointing at the east and saying, 'The cause of dissension is here. The cause of dissension is here, from where the helpers of shaytan arise.' "

Book 54:
Malik related to me from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The head of kufr is towards the east. Boasting and price is among people who have horses and camels. The loud-voiced people are the people of tents (the Bedouins). Tranquillity is with the people who have sheep."



I will tell you some more Hadees which clear about Mudar and Rabia tribe and there subtribes like Bani Tamim. You want me to tell which Wahabee is from subtribe of Mudar or you find will yourself.


Sahih Bukhari chapter 55 number 600

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "O Allah! Save Aiyyash bin Abi Rabia (from the unjust treatment of the infidels). O Allah! Save Salama bin Hisham. O Allah! Send your Punishment on (the tribe of) Mudar. O Allah! Let them suffer from years (of drought) similar to that inflicted during the life-time of Joseph."


Sahih Bukhari chapter 56 number 702

Narrated Abi Mas'ud: The Prophet said, "From this side from the east, afflictions will appear. Rudeness and lack of mercy are characteristics of the rural bedouins who are busy with their camels and cows (and pay no attention to religion). Such are the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar."

Sahih Bukhari chapter 56 number 719

Narrated Abu Bakra: Al-Aqra' bin Habis said to the Prophet "Nobody gave you the pledge of allegiance but the robbers of the pilgrims (i.e. those who used to rob the pilgrims) from the tribes of Aslam, Ghifar, Muzaina." (Ibn Abi Ya'qub is in doubt whether Al-Aqra' added. 'And Juhaina.') The Prophet said, "Don't you think that the tribes of Aslam, Ghifar, Muzaina (and also perhaps) Juhaina are better than the tribes of Bani Tamim, Bani Amir, Asad, and Ghatafan?" Somebody said, "They were unsuccessful and losers!" The Prophet said, "Yes, by Him in Whose Hands my life is, they (i.e. the former) are better than they (i.e. the latter)." Abu Huraira said, "(The Prophet said), '(The people of) Bani Aslam, Ghifar and some people of Muzaina (or some people of Juhaina or Muzaina) are better in Allah's Sight (or on the Day of Resurrection) than the tribes of Asad, Tamim, Hawazin and Ghatafan.' "


Sahih Bukhari chapter 54 number 413

Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: Some people of Bani Tamim came to the Prophet and he said (to them), "O Bani Tamim! rejoice with glad tidings." They said, "You have given us glad tidings, now give us something." On hearing that the color of his face changed then the people of Yemen came to him and he said, "O people of Yemen ! Accept the good tidings, as Bani Tamim has refused them." The Yemenites said, "We accept them. Then the Prophet started taking about the beginning of creation and about Allah's Throne. In the mean time a man came saying, "O 'Imran! Your she-camel has run away!'' (I got up and went away), but l wish I had not left that place (for I missed what Allah's Apostle had said).


Sahih Muslim chapter 1 number 83

It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Mas'ud that the Apostle of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) pointed towards Yemen with his hand and said: Verily Iman is towards this side, and harshness and callousness of the hearts is found amongst the rude owners of the camels who drive them behind their tails (to the direction) where emerge the two horns of Satan, they are the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar.




Many a times we meet ignorant Najdis in life who say that NAJD is Iraq. This statement ensures that the person has been reading Najdi FABRICATED materials and has been brain washed by the Najdi speakers.

If one does not have interest in reading , please analyse these evidence.


FIRST PROOF

The etymological sense of the Arabic word najd, which means high ground. Again, a brief consultation of an atlas resolves this matter decisively. With the exception of present-day northern Iraq, which was not considered part of Iraq by any Muslim until the present century (it was called al-Jazira), Iraq is notably flat and low-lying, much of it even today being marshland, while the remainder, up to and well to the north of Baghdad, is flat, low desert or agricultural land. Najd, by contrast, is mostly plateau, culminating in peaks such as Jabal Tayyi (1300 metres), in the Jabal Shammar range.


SECOND PROOF


Medieval Islamic geographers contest this inherently strange thesis (see for instance Ibn Khurradadhbih, al-Masalik wal-mamalik [Leiden, 1887], 125; Ibn Hawqal, Kitab Surat al-ard [Beirut, 1968],18); and limit the northern extent of Najd at Wadi al-Rumma, or to the deserts to the south of al-Madain. There is no indication that the places in which the second wave of sedition arose, such as Kufa and Basra, were associated in the mind of the first Muslims with the term Najd. On the contrary, these places are in every case identified as lying within the land of Iraq.


THIRD PROOF


Even the briefest glimpse at a modern atlas will show that a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina al-Munawwara does not pass anywhere near Iraq, but passes some distance to the south of Riyadh; that is to say, through the exact centre of Najd. The hadiths which speak of the East in this context hence support the view that Najd is indicated, not Iraq.


The coordinates of Medinah is 2433N 03942E.
Najd/Riyadh is 2443N 04644E
Notice almost the same latitude of Najd/Riyadh and Medinah - i.e. 24xx.
The latitude of the towns in Iraq are 3040N (Basrah) and 3340N (Baghad).
Therefore Iraq is North or North-North East of Medinah rather East

FOURTH PROOF


Here is a clear proof that our beloved prophet CLEARLY meant , knew and told that NAJD is DIFFERENT FROM IRAQ. Please Analyse this

Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: We went out to Najd with Allahs Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe]. In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of Najd.


Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasai (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), Aisha (r.a.) declared that Allahs Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhul-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam. Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: for the people of Madina it is Dhul-Hulayfa - while on the other road it is al-Juhfa - for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.

Book 007, Number 2666: Sahih Muslim

Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu'l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i. e. Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-'Irq; for the people uf Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.


The following hadith is from Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated Abdullah bin Dinar:
Ibn Umar said, The Prophet fixed Qarn as the Miqat (for assuming the Ihram) for the people of Najd, and Al-Juhfa for the people of Sham, and Dhul-Hulaifa for the people of Medina. Ibn Umar added, I heard this from the Prophet, and I have been informed that the Prophet said, The Miqat for the Yemenites is Yalamlam. When Iraq was mentioned, he said, At that time it was not a Muslim country. [Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 443]

Najd in the Hadith

There are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messengers willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:

Amr ibn Abasa said: Allahs Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [...] Uyayna remarked: The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd. But Allahs Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [...] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [...] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [...] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [...] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Makul. (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators. Cited in Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma al-zawaid wa manba al-fawaid [Cairo, 1352], X, 43).


But other hadiths in praise of other lands abound. For instance:

Umm Salama narrated that Allahs Messenger (s.w.s.) gave the following counsel on his deathbed: By Allah, I adjure you by Him, concerning the Egyptians, for you shall be victorious over them, and they will be a support for you and helpers in Allahs path. (Tabarani, classed by al-Haythami as sahih [Majma, X, 63].) (For more on the merit of the Egyptians see Sahih Muslim, commentary by Imam al-Nawawi [Cairo, 1347], XVI, 96-7.)

Qays ibn Sad narrated that Allahs Messenger (s.w.s.) said: Were faith to be suspended from the Pleiades, men from the sons of Faris [south-central Iran] would reach it. (Narrated in the Musnads of both Abu Yala and al-Bazzar, classified as Sahih by al-Haythami. Majma, X, 64-5. See further Nawawis commentary to Sahih Muslim, XVI, 100.)

Allahs Messenger said: Tranquillity (sakina) is in the people of the Hijaz. (al-Bazzar, cited in Haythami, X, 53.)

On the authority of Abul-Darda (r.a.), the Messenger of Allah (s.w.s.) said: You will find armies. An army in Syria, in Egypt, in Iraq and in the Yemen. (Bazzar and Tabarani, classified as sahih: al-Haythami, Majma, X, 58.) This constitutes praise for these lands as homes of jihad volunteers.

The angels of the All-Compassionate spread their wings over Syria. (Tabarani, classed as sahih: Majma, X, 60. See also Tirmidhi, commentary of Imam Muhammad ibn Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakfuri: Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi bi-sharh Jami al-Tirmidhi, X, 454; who confirms it as hasan sahih.)

Abu Hurayra narrated that Allahs Messenger (s) said: The people of Yemen have come to you. They are tenderer of heart, and more delicate of soul. Faith is a Yemeni, and wisdom is a Yemeni. (Tirmidhi, Fi fadl al-Yaman, no.4028. Mubarakfuri, X, 435, 437: hadith hasan sahih. On page 436 Imam Mubarakfuri points out that the ancestors of the Ansar were from the Yemen.)

The people of the Yemen are the best people on earth. (Abu Yala and Bazzar, classified as sahih. Haythami, X, 54-5.)

Allahs Messenger (s) sent a man to one of the clans of the Arabs, but they insulted and beat him. He came to Allahs Messenger (s.w.s.) and told him what had occurred. And the Messenger (s) said, Had you gone to the people of Oman, they would not have insulted or beaten you. (Muslim, Fadail al-Sahaba, 57. See Nawawis commentary, XVI, 98: this indicates praise for them, and their merit.)

The above hadiths are culled from a substantial corpus of material which records the Messenger (s.w.s.) praising neighbouring regions. Again, it is striking that although Najd was closer than any other, hadiths in praise of it are completely absent.

A further hadith concerning Tamim runs as follows:

On the authority of Imran ibn Husayn (r.a.): A group of Tamimites came to the Prophet (s.w.s.), and he said: O tribe of Tamim! Receive good news! You promise us good news, so give us something [money]! they replied. And his face changed. Then some Yemenis came, and he said: O people of Yemen! Accept good news, even though the tribe of Tamim have not accepted it! And they said: We accept. And the Prophet (s.w.s.) began to speak about the beginning of creation, and about the Throne. [Bukhari, Bab al-Khalq, 1]

The harsh waywardness of the Tamimi mentality documented in the Quran and Hadith casts an interesting light on the personality of Abu Jahl, the arch-pagan leader of Quraysh. Abu Jahl, with his fanatical hatred of the Prophet (s.w.s.), must have been shaped by the Tamimi ethic in his childhood. His mother, Asma bint Mukharriba, was of the tribe of Tamim. (al-Jumahi, Tabaqat Fuhul al-Shuara, ed. Mahmud Shakir [Cairo, 1952], p.123.) He also married the daughter of Umayr ibn Mabad al-Tamimi, by whom he had his son, predictably named Tamim. (Musab ibn Abdallah, Nasab Quraysh [Cairo, 1953], p.312.)

An attribute recurrently ascribed to the Tamimites in the hadith literature is that of misplaced zeal. When they finally enter Islam, they are associated with a fanatical form of piety that demands simple and rigid adherence, rather than understanding; and which frequently defies the established authorities of the religion. Imam Muslim records a narration from Abdallah ibn Shaqiq which runs: Ibn Abbas once preached to us after the asr prayer, until the sun set and the stars appeared, and people began to say: The prayer! The prayer! A man of the Banu Tamim came up to him and said, constantly and insistently: The prayer! The prayer! And Ibn Abbas replied: Are you teaching me the sunna, you wretch? [Muslim, Salat al-Musafirin, 6].

 

[Aleph]

Hazrat Cheeko:

No need to get charged up and PLEASE keep your posts shorter; the longer it is the more unlikely that anyone will read it in the first place. Firstly, you need to understand that Shaykh Imran Hossein's specialization is in Islamic Eschatalogy and not in fiqh. Once you understand this you will be able to appreciate that his views on fiqhi issues are of no consequence to either you or anyone.

Imran Hossein is only trying to be balanced and I don't know how you missed him bashing the salafis? What he says is absolutely correct that celebrating the mawlid of Rasulullah (SAW) is beneficial and not essential. This means that someone who chooses not to celebrate it (for whatever reason they have) is not wrong or incurring sin. This is the extremism of some sufis in our part of the World who will mock anyone and everyone who are not persuaded by their line of reasoning.

Lastly, please note that what I said about the ring are not my words, but I am paraphrasing the opinions of Imam Nawawi as found in his fiqhi principles. There is not a SINGLE shafi'i faqih/muhaddith who says that celebrating the birthday of Rasulullah (SAW) is haram. All the Shafi'i fuqaha have allowed it. They have clearly mentioned that this practice is a bid'ah in that it wasn't done by the first few generations of Muslims, but that bid'ah in itself is of 2 sorts - hasanah and sayyi'ah (good/beneficial and bad/unbeneficial). And they ALL have classified it as bid'ah hasanah. From Imam Nawawi to Imam Suyuti to Ibn Hajr Al-'Asqalani and Ibn Hajr Al-Haytami - they have ALL allowed the celebration of it.

But you would be severely mistaken if you think that anyone who chooses not to celebrate because the first few generations didnt celebrate was doing WRONG. That is where you would be going to your own extreme as are those who stop people from celebrating it saying that ALL bid'ah is haram and sayyi'ah (bad).

 

[umairel]

Sufism is a system of beliefs and practices/deeds which is parallel to Islam (Sharia). Extremist Sufis have promoted Bidaah, Shirk, grave and pir worshiping in all times. Most of their beliefs and practices are alien to Islam. In fact Sufism is an amalgam of some beliefs and practices from Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Neo-Platonism, Philosophy and kalam. Sufism flourished in parts of the world where such beliefs and practices were already present with different names and labels and the most significant example is the Indian subcontinent where shirk and grave worshiping was a dominant religion in the form of Hinduism and Sikhism. Take the sufi aqeedah of Wahdatul Wajood. The doctrine of Wahdatul Wajood was and stills a major belief in Hinduism and is known as god manifestation (awtar). Similarly the idea of countless devi devta and sayeen baba in hiduism was exported to Islam as shaane Auliya.
The sufi concept of pir is exact copy of rahbaneyyah in Christianity.
To be honest, when I study Sufism and it’s beliefs and practices it astonishes me how these Sufis could be called Muslims let alone Awleya Allah. The true Awleya Allah are those who act according to Quran and sunnah and don’t invent new beliefs and practices in Islam and abstain from Shirk. It doesn’t matter whether you call them wahabi, najadi, gair muqallid, salafi or what so ever because the lord of the heaven and the earth S.W.T Has given them the name Muslim.
Shirk, ignorance, acting on week and fabricated ahadith or stories while ignoring strong and sahih ahadith and strange interpretation of Quran and Sunnah are the main reason why I don’t like these Sufis.
I cant understand one thing so far “How someone who is calling towards Shirk, Grave/pir worshiping, Bidaah and strange practices and compromise the Tawheed of Allah S.W.T (which is the base of Islam) could be called Awleya Allah?”

You have done grave error in attributing Sufism with act of fake sufis. Listen Salafi sheikh talking about Tassawwuf

Wahdat ul wajood is very sensitive issue, so if u don't know then don't get confused. I think Dr Israr(r.a) clearify some misconception in this

i am amazed listening after 33 mins

 

[barhaich]

Double post has been deleted.

Us salatu was salaamualaika ya Rasool Allah. (Sallallahuta aala alaihi wa aalayhee wa as-habayhee wasallam)

Peace bro, and do not get too offended. We're all Muslim and we must counter the banking system.

 

[Cheeko]

Hazrat Cheeko:

No need to get charged up and PLEASE keep your posts shorter; the longer it is the more unlikely that anyone will read it in the first place. Firstly, you need to understand that Shaykh Imran Hossein's specialization is in Islamic Eschatalogy and not in fiqh. Once you understand this you will be able to appreciate that his views on fiqhi issues are of no consequence to either you or anyone.

Imran Hossein is only trying to be balanced and I don't know how you missed him bashing the salafis? What he says is absolutely correct that celebrating the mawlid of Rasulullah (SAW) is beneficial and not essential. This means that someone who chooses not to celebrate it (for whatever reason they have) is not wrong or incurring sin. This is the extremism of some sufis in our part of the World who will mock anyone and everyone who are not persuaded by their line of reasoning.

Lastly, please note that what I said about the ring are not my words, but I am paraphrasing the opinions of Imam Nawawi as found in his fiqhi principles. There is not a SINGLE shafi'i faqih/muhaddith who says that celebrating the birthday of Rasulullah (SAW) is haram. All the Shafi'i fuqaha have allowed it. They have clearly mentioned that this practice is a bid'ah in that it wasn't done by the first few generations of Muslims, but that bid'ah in itself is of 2 sorts - hasanah and sayyi'ah (good/beneficial and bad/unbeneficial). And they ALL have classified it as bid'ah hasanah. From Imam Nawawi to Imam Suyuti to Ibn Hajr Al-'Asqalani and Ibn Hajr Al-Haytami - they have ALL allowed the celebration of it.

But you would be severely mistaken if you think that anyone who chooses not to celebrate because the first few generations didnt celebrate was doing WRONG. That is where you would be going to your own extreme as are those who stop people from celebrating it saying that ALL bid'ah is haram and sayyi'ah (bad).

Hazrat Aleph

You are missing the whole point. Imran is alleging wrongly that sufis force people to celebrate Mawlid. No this is not the case and if you think that he is right then bring forth the evidence from the whole list of scholars who have allowed or spoken in favour of Mawlid. I am talking about reknowned sufis so avoid naming some nathu khaira imam masjid. Majority of sufis have always maintained and have been uanimous on atleast one principle or rule which is that it is upto the individual to follow whatever he likes as long as he does not harm any other individuals belief system. So his point of excesses stays invalid. He should have exampled what he calls excesses
and I am glad to discuss every practice. I can quote you books of scholars who maintain that Mawlid was celebrated during khilafat but because Najdis don't agree with those scholars so I mentioned about the Bidah Hasanah Hadees.

His criticism of Najdis is not my concern, it is between him and them.

 

[moahhid]

@Cheeko

First of all you should advise your Mushrik pirs to stop their naked shirk and grave worshiping as shirk is the biggest of all sins and Allah S.W.T will never forgive it. Tawheed is the base of our deen and anyone who compromises it has no right to teach us about Saudis or any other country.

Alhamdolellah your knowledge is obscured and based on false tales of your mushrik pirs. I am not surprise and was expecting from you the same as it is the manhaj of grave worshipers to stretch the meanings of Quran and Ahadith too far so it’s meaning is changed totally. This is the only weapon you have to attack those who have closed your centres of naked shirk and grave worshiping and kicked your pirs out of the land of Hijaz. Alhamdolellah
By the way the ahadith you mentioned are sahih, now let’s see who fits in this scenario? Saudi or Iaraq? (Centers of most fitnas and your Sufis)

The enemies of the salafis try to use the hadith of najd to show that it was prophesisying Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab.

The place mentioned by prophet Muhammad S.A.W is your center of Pirs Iraq and not the Center of Tawheed Saudi Arabia. Lets see these ahadith with the eyes of great mohaddissen and Shareh Ahadith Ahafiz Ibne Hajr Asqalanee and Imam Nowawi.

Ibn Hajr said: "al-Khattaabee said:

"the najd in the direction of the east, and for the one who is in Madeenah then his Najd would be the desert of Iraaq and it's regions for this is to the east of the People of Madeenah. The basic meaning of Najd is that which is raised/elevated from the earth in contravention to al-Gawr for that is what is lower than it. Tihaamah [the coastal plain along the south-western and southern shores of the Arabian Peninsula] is entirely al-Gawr and Mecca is in Tihaamah.'[...] by this [saying of al-Khattaabee] the weakness of the saying of ad-Daawodee is understood that 'Najd is in the direction of Iraaq' [min Naahiya al-Iraaq] for he suggests that Najd is a specific place. This is not the case, rather everything that is elevated with respect to what adjoins it is called Najd and the lower area called Gawr." Fath al-Baaree 13/58-59

??? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ???????? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ???????????? ????

[al-Fath al-Bari, 13/47]
Ibn Hajar Asqalani said after quoting the words of al-Khattaabee explaining the meaning of Qarn (horn):

"and others have said that the People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the east and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction." [Fath al-Baaree 13/58 in commentary to the hadeeth of Najd]

Imam Nawawi makes a claim in his Sharh Saheeh Muslim 2/29 that it had to with Dajjal coming from the East. Furthermore, it is shown in Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytaan that there is 13 places that have been labeled as Najd depending a lot on one's own location, and from Madina, Najd would be Iraq.

For those who remain sceptical of the clear and specified texts on this matter and seek to fit the evidence around their opinions rather than vice versa, they need to understand that they can not generalise what is made specific and make specific what is generalised without evidence.

Here are two further hadeeth that reinforce the one I quoted previously and explicitly mention IRAQ and EAST in the same context:

- Ibn Abbas narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) made the following du'a:

????? ???? ??? ?? ?????????? ? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? . ???? ??? ?? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? . ??? : ?? ??? ??? ??????? ? ????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ???????

"O Allah bestow your blessings in our measuring and bestow your blessings on our Shaam and our Yemen." A person from amongst the people said, "O Prophet of Allah and our Iraq?" He said, "indeed there is the Horn of Shaytan, and the trials and tribulations and indeed harshness/estrangement is in the East." [Mu'jam al-Kabeer, Tabarani - with all narrators in the isnad being thiqat]

-Saalim ibn Abdullah ibn 'Umar said:

?? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???????????? ???? ????? ???? ???

"O people of Iraq, it is strange that you ask about the minor sins but commit the major sins. I heard my father, Abdullaah ibn 'Umar narrating that he heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) saying while motioning his hand to the East: "Indeed fitnah would come from this side, from wherein appear the Horns of Shaytan and you would strike the necks of one another..." [Saheeh Muslim]

These are some of the ahadeeth that speak of Iraq being the 'Horn of Shaytan' within the same text signifying 'East'. We can conclude and say that fitnah and other problems will generally come from the East (inc. Dajjal and Ya'jooj wa Ma'jooj etc), while the description of the 'Horn of Shaytan' has been specified to Iraq. This way, we harmonise the various texts and put and end to bickering and speculating over other details.

Furthermore, the interpretation of Najd favored by many anti-Wahabi, anti-Saudis is in rejection to a number of ahadeeth which praise the inhabitants of Saudi as a beneficial people, is found in Sahih Bukhari:


Narrated abu huraira: I have loved the people of the tribe of Bani tamim ever since I heard, three things, Allah's Apostle said about them. I heard him saying, These people (of the tribe of Bani tamim) would stand firm against Ad-Dajjal." When the Sadaqat (gifts of charity) from that tribe came, Allah's Apostle said, "These are the Sadaqat (i.e. charitable gifts) of our folk." 'Aisha had a slave-girl from that tribe, and the Prophet said to 'Aisha, "Manumit her as she is a descendant of Ishmael (the Prophet)." (Bukhari Book #46, Hadith #719)(Bukhari Book #59, Hadith #652)(Sahih Al-Muslim. Book #031, Hadith #6133,6134)
(Bukhari Book #46, Hadith #719)
(Bukhari Book #59, Hadith #652)

Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee said, "this hadeeth also contains a clear mention of the excellence and superiority of Bani Tameem." [Fath 5/217]

Also from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal:

"do not say of Bani Tameem anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal."

Al-Haythamee says: "its narrators are those of the Saheeh." [Mujma 10/48 chpt: What is reported concerning Bani Tameem]

Banu Tameem are the majority of people of the so-called Najd (Saudi Arabia). To label Najd as that area of Saudi Arabia would be in contradiction of the many hadeeth relating to Bani Tameem especially those in which they fight the Dajjal, who comes from the Najd that is to the East.

History has proved that indead Iraq is the land where all fitnas originated from and various silsilas of sufism and grave worshiping also emerged from this land.


Now listen to this maulana in your own language commenting on your nonsense propaganda against Shaikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahab. But I am sure you are so blinded by your grave worshiping and mushrik pirs that you don’t even understand the correct meaning of Quran and Ahadith.

 

[moahhid]

As for you saying that Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Taymiyyah were "not prophets", then that is the exactly the corrupted mind of the salafis/wahhabis that you represent. No respect for the elders and the salaf as-saliheen. Everyone is wrong to you guys except for Aal-e-Saud. Please, man, give us a break.

My mistake, I shouldn’t have argued in the first place with a person who believes that scholars are prophets. Salam..................

 

[moahhid]

The good innovations in Islamic rituals are not only allowed but encouraged. Let us read what has been said about good innovations in Hadees book.

Who will decide what is good innovation and what is bad innovation? Your grave worshiping mushrik pirs or intoxicated qubooris. Our deen has been completed and our Prophet S.A.W has shown us every thing which pleases Allah S.W.T and anything which is invented in deen is rejected and leads to hell fire. Now please don’t give examples of car, aeroplane, concrete masjid, loud speakers etc (as your grave worshiping pirs do). Nobody would say that these thing are part of deen if you do it’s your problem.

Allah Almighty says, "And what is there after truth except misguidance?" (10:32)

and the Almighty says, "We have not omitted anything from the Book." (6:39; 6:38)

The Almighty says, "If you have a dispute about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger" (4:58; 4:59)

and the Almighty says, "This is My Path and it is straight, so follow it. Do not follow other ways or you will become cut off from His Way." (6:154; 6:153)

The Almighty says, "Say: 'If you love Allah, then follow me and Allah will love you and forgive you for your wrong actions," (3:31) and the ayats about this topic are numerous and well-known.

Ahadith against innovations

A'isha said that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Anyone who introduces an innovation in this affair of ours which is not part of it, it will be rejected." [Agreed upon]
In a variant of Muslim, "Anyone who does an action which is not in accordance with this affair of ours will be rejected."

Jabir said, "While the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was delivering an address, his eyes would become red, he would raise his voice and he would become very angry until he was like someone admonishing an army. He would say, "(Guard youselves against attack) in the morning and the evening.' He would say, 'I have been sent at a time when I and the Last Hour are like these two,' and he joined together his index finger and middle finger.' He would say, 'Following on from that: the best speech is the Book of Allah. The best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. The worst of matters are the new ones, and every innovation is misguidance.' Then he would say, 'I am more entitled to every believer than his own self. Whoever leaves property, it is for his family. Whoever leaves a debt or family, it is for me and on me." [Muslim]

 

[Jo.Ash.Kazar]

I read your evidently lengthy posts in this thread. Although i have found sufism of this present age to be pure rubbish and utterly disgusting, i do not think it was always like that. 'Al-Ihsan' is all that is required. Earlier christianity had similar ideology and christians lived in solitude & seclusion in monasteries for decades to achieve, what Islam calls as 'Al-Ihsan'. Both byzantinian christianity and Sufi Islam became so mis-guided that today both are practically idol-worshipers. Sufi Islam accepted muslim saints and scholars as equivalent to Allah & Christianity accepted materialism as lords and gods beside Allah. But All was not wrong in the beginning in Islam. The 'salafi muslims' (muslims present at the time of your prophet) had strong foundation of Islamic fundamentals but besides that, they were very well versed with 'Al-ihsan', which is something absent in muslims of today, both the salafi and sufis. As far as the Al-Sauds are concerned. That system of governance that sauds introduced on behest of Her Highness Queen of England is contrary to Islamic ideological state. It was even considered blasphemous in byzantinian christianity. Unfortunately these system of national states was perfected in europe to discredit and destroy power of christian church, which was infested and infected with scythian pagan practices and free-masonary symbolism. That system of nation states was adopted by the sauds, as a penultimate to islamic ideological state. This is the worst possible crime deserving worst possible punishment. This again is due to the fact that saudi salafis have the text of koran and your prophet and they imitate it as much as they possibly can but without the capacity of 'Al-Ihsan'. Their understanding without 'Al-Ihsan' is mediocre. That is why they have been deceived and duped into accepting nation states as 'Islamic' and US$ as an Internationale paper currency for medium of international exchange. How foolish can they get?

You are right brother in your analysis. Majority of sufi practices which make them distinct from main stream Muslims are not from Islam. These are invented stuff and far from the straight path of Islam. Anyone with a sound mind and even a little knowledge of Quran and Sunnah can understand that.

 

[Jo.Ash.Kazar]

My travel of understanding continues. This has given me strength and capacity to dissect the right from the wrong, good and manifest from evil & hidden.

Thanks for your opinion brother..btw if you know about corruptions that took place in your religion than what keeps you away from Islam?as our God is still the same God, i.e. the God of the Gospel... and Islam's holy book hasn't corrupted... which helps us to keep a check on all such people who end up corrupting religion...some thing that other faiths lack!I say this with concrete backing as my best friends are reverts from Christianity... and they left christianity solely because they couldn't make sense of things as soon as they explored about Islam they knew it was the Truth :)jzk

 

[moahhid]

I read your evidently lengthy posts in this thread. Although i have found sufism of this present age to be pure rubbish and utterly disgusting, i do not think it was always like that. 'Al-Ihsan' is all that is required. Earlier christianity had similar ideology and christians lived in solitude & seclusion in monasteries for decades to achieve, what Islam calls as 'Al-Ihsan'. Both byzantinian christianity and Sufi Islam became so mis-guided that today both are practically idol-worshipers. Sufi Islam accepted muslim saints and scholars as equivalent to Allah & Christianity accepted materialism as lords and gods beside Allah. But All was not wrong in the beginning in Islam. The 'salafi muslims' (muslims present at the time of your prophet) had strong foundation of Islamic fundamentals but besides that, they were very well versed with 'Al-ihsan', which is something absent in muslims of today, both the salafi and sufis. As far as the Al-Sauds are concerned. That system of governance that sauds introduced on behest of Her Highness Queen of England is contrary to Islamic ideological state. It was even considered blasphemous in byzantinian christianity. Unfortunately these system of national states was perfected in europe to discredit and destroy power of christian church, which was infested and infected with scythian pagan practices and free-masonary symbolism. That system of nation states was adopted by the sauds, as a penultimate to islamic ideological state. This is the worst possible crime deserving worst possible punishment. This again is due to the fact that saudi salafis have the text of koran and your prophet and they imitate it as much as they possibly can but without the capacity of 'Al-Ihsan'. Their understanding without 'Al-Ihsan' is mediocre. That is why they have been deceived and duped into accepting nation states as 'Islamic' and US$ as an Internationale paper currency for medium of international exchange. How foolish can they get?

Dear Jo.Ash.Kazar

Agreed! I have already mentioned in a previous post and on several other threads that there are 100’s things in ale Saud which I am strong critic of! And their government system, their attitude towards foreign Muslims, their arrogance, their greed for wealth and Dunya is some of them. You can count 100’s more. It is not 100% islamic state but much better than other so called muslim countries. The only pure islamic state was Khilafat e Rashida. As for as comparing saudis with the grave worshipers ale-saud are 1000s times better than the grave worshipers.

You are correct that the Sufis of the first generations were not involved in shirk and were following sharia in many ways as discussed by imam Ibne Jozi and imam ibne Taymiyyah in their various books and I have already pointed out this earlier. Majority of modern days Sufis are grave worshipers and you can easily find them deeply involved in naked shirk, that is the main reason why I hate these Sufis.

But I ask one question from all Sufis who claim to be the true followers of our prophet S.A.W! Was our prophet a sufi? were the sahaba, tabeen and mohaddeseen Sufis, were they qadri, naqashbindi, saharwardi? No they were not, they were only Muslims and all prophet of Allah, their companions and the righteous people were Muslims. And that is my point to stick to quran and Sunnah, keep our deen in it's pure form (as much as possible) as given by our beloved prophet S.A.W and call ourselves Muslim.

I don’t agree with the Saudis concept of calling themselves salafi too, as this create sects in Islam although they have a strong point for calling themselves salafi because these days there are too many people calling themselves Muslims but they are not Muslims like Qadyanis, ismailis etc.

I will pray for your success in search for the truth and the only truth and straight path to our Lord S.W.T is Quran and Sunnah

 

[mrcritic]

Guys stop copying pasting about Sufism etc. PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE Listen to the lecture in full.

I suggest listen to the 'hour long' lectures in you car rather than listening to the radio one day.

 

[Wadaich]

Have you watched this?

[MENTION=10641]wadaich[/MENTION]

Bro. I have listened almost all the lectures by Sheikh on different issues.....Let me have some time to check whether or not this one is among them.

 

[barhaich]

Bro. I have listened almost all the lectures by Sheikh on different issues.....Let me have some time to check whether or not this one is among them.

This one is brand new, just came in last week, sheikh also acknowedges that he has never delivered a one like this.

 

[Wadaich]

This one is brand new, just came in last week, sheikh also acknowedges that he has never delivered a one like this.

I shall listen to it Insha'Allah.

 

[barhaich]

I shall listen to it Insha'Allah.

Read my summary if you're short on time.

 

[Aleph]

Moahhid:

Just one point regarding the interpretation of Hafiz Ibn Hajr Al-'Asqalani that you mention from Fath Al-BAri (which is perhaps the best sharh of Sahih Al-Bukhari out there to date):

The hadith of the 'fitnah from the East' is a hadith pertaining to 'ilm al-aakhir az-zamaan. This means that this (and such other) texts are eschatalogical in nature and therefore can be interpreted in many ways. Ibn Hajr (rah) chose to interpret it to mean Iraq (which I am more inclined to believe is the better interpretation) whereas other 'ulama from the muta'akhkhireen (such as Ibn Abidin ash-Shaami) have interpreted this hadith to mean Najd. This is natural because such ahadith are not 'time bound' and will always be interpreted based on the realities of those times:

The realities of Ibn Hajr's times were different: The Tataris had attacked Iraq and toppled the Khilafah in Baghdad. Therefore, naturally, he interpreted this hadith based on the political realities of his times.

The realities of ibn Abidin's times were different: During his lifetime the Khilafah under the Ottomans was being attacked by the combined forces of the British allies and the tribes of Arabia.

In present day contexts, the Saudi ulama are interpreting this SAME hadith to mean Al-Quaida and jihadi outfits in Afghanistan and the central Asian belt. Afghanistan is also in the East and the groups/jihadis coming out from there are challenging the Saudi state and want to topple it.

The texts that you (and Cheeko) are quoting are not child's play, which is why you don't understand the context or scope of these matters. God knows how you are tying all of this to Sufism?? In any case, I am glad that you chose to maintain your silence rather than challenging my claim that Ibn Taymiyyah Al-Hanbali (rah) was of the Hanbali school and follower of the Qadiriyyah tariqah and silsilah. In support of this I am pasting below an excerpt from the voluminous fatawa of Shaykh Al-Islam (Volume 11,"At-Tawassuf" of Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah al-Kubra, Dar ar-Rahmah, Cairo):

"Alhamdulillah, the pronunciation of the word Tasawwuf has been thoroughly discussed. From those who spoke about Tasawwuf were not just the the Imams and Shaikhs, but also included were Ahmad bin Hanbal, Abi Sulayman ad-Daarani, As-Sirr as-Saqati, al-Junayd al-Baghdadi, Hasan al-Basri, Ma'aruf al-Karkhi, Abdul Qadir Jilani, Bayazid al-Bistami [one of the grandshaikhs of the Naqshbandi Tariqat] and many others. This is a term that was given to those who were dealing with that kind of science [tazkiyyat an-nafs and Ihsan]... And Tasawwuf is safeguarding the precious meanings and leaving behind the call to fame and vanity in order to reach the state of Truthfulness, because the best of humans after the prophets are the Siddiqeen, as Allah mentioned them in the verse (Surah Nisa, 69-70)."

Ibn Taymiyyah continues:
"And the Sufi is in reality a kind of Siddiq (Truthful One), that Siddiq who specialized in zuhd and worship... some people criticised Sufiyya and Tasawwuf and they said they were innovators, out of the Sunnah, but the truth is they are striving in Allah's obedience[mujtahidin fi ta'at-illahi], as others of Allah's People strove in Allah's obedience. So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of his striving [as-saabiq ul-muqarrab bi hasab ijtihadihi]. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand [Ahl al-Yameen mentioned in Qur'an in Sura Waqi'ah], but slower in their progress. For both kinds, they might make ijtihad and in that case they might be correct and they might be wrong. And from both types, some of them might make a sin and repent. And this is the origin of Tasawwuf. And after that origin, it has been spread and (tasha'abat wa tanawa'at) has its main line and its branches. And it has become three kinds:
1. Sufiyyat il-Haqa'iq - the True Sufis
2. Sufiyyat il-Arzaaq - the Professional Sufis (those who use Sufism for personal gain)
3. Sufiyyat il-Rasm - the Caricature Sufis. (Sufi by appearance only)."

End of excerpts; and I hope this shows to you how GROSSLY you have been poisoned by the people you take 'ilm from.

 

[moahhid]

@ Aleph
As you know we consider Majmu'a Fatawa a great work of Shaikh ul Islam and I have already seen the text which you have pasted that’s why I have already mentioned in several posts that the sufis of the first generations were not involved in shirk but the later generations especially extremist Sufis and the sufis of recent times are clearly involved in many Aqaid and Practices which are prohibited in Islam and they don’t stop here they are clearly involved in Naked Shirk which is the greatest of all sins. Regarding Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani , four Imams of Fiqh, mohadeseen we believe that they were the true followers of Islam they were not the blind followers of some sufi or a particular person except the Prophet S.A.W. We respect them as much as they deserve but we still believe that they were not free from mistakes as it is our firm belief that the only human which are free from mistakes are the Ambia (prophets) of Allah S.W.T and every ummah is strictly abide by Sharia to follow their respective Nabi. We cannot bind ourselves to follow any human except the prophet A.S. We will judge a person ijtehad on the basis of Quran and Sunnah if it is compatible with it we will take it if it is not we will leave it. In other words you may say that we can not tie our deen merely to the four imams, Imam ibne teymeyya, Ibne Qayyem, Abdul Qadir Jilani or any other person. And I reckon that is the true respect of all these Salaf e Saleheen.

Regarding ibne teymeyya I downloaded the same book which you have mentioned and read it straight away I did not find that Ibne Teymeyya accepted that he belongs to qadri silsila, the main theme of the book was something different and more profound. The beliefs he mentioned in that book are the main reason why the grave worshipers curse him and attribute many false things to him. Indeed he did praised Abdul Qadir Jilani in other books but praising someone does not mean that he was following a sufi silsila, and how can you ignore his entire struggle which he did against ibne arabi and other extremist Sufis and even he declared him a disbeliever for his shirkiya beliefs. Imam Ibne teymiyya dedicated significant part of his life and writing to refute these extremist Sufis.

I also respect Abdul Qadir Jilani, he was a great scholar and follower of Imam Ahmed Bin Hambal (and you know that Imam Ahmad was our great sheikh and Imam) this does not mean that I am a Qadri.

I call myself a Muslim and try my best to follow our prophet A.S and for tazkiya I turned to Quran which is the only mean of achieving Tizkiyaa I don’t need sufi dance or other non sense stuff taken from christianity or hinduism to purify my soul.

And Allah S.W.T Knows best

I am getting late excuse me for typing mistakes if you find one