The Sufi, The Salafi & Akhirruzaman By Sheikh Imran Hosein

[Cheeko]

@Cheeko

First of all you should advise your Mushrik pirs to stop their naked shirk and grave worshiping as shirk is the biggest of all sins and Allah S.W.T will never forgive it. Tawheed is the base of our deen and anyone who compromises it has no right to teach us about Saudis or any other country.

Alhamdolellah your knowledge is obscured and based on false tales of your mushrik pirs. I am not surprise and was expecting from you the same as it is the manhaj of grave worshipers to stretch the meanings of Quran and Ahadith too far so it’s meaning is changed totally. This is the only weapon you have to attack those who have closed your centres of naked shirk and grave worshiping and kicked your pirs out of the land of Hijaz. Alhamdolellah
By the way the ahadith you mentioned are sahih, now let’s see who fits in this scenario? Saudi or Iaraq? (Centers of most fitnas and your Sufis)

The enemies of the salafis try to use the hadith of najd to show that it was prophesisying Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab.

The place mentioned by prophet Muhammad S.A.W is your center of Pirs Iraq and not the Center of Tawheed Saudi Arabia. Lets see these ahadith with the eyes of great mohaddissen and Shareh Ahadith Ahafiz Ibne Hajr Asqalanee and Imam Nowawi.

Ibn Hajr said: "al-Khattaabee said:

"the najd in the direction of the east, and for the one who is in Madeenah then his Najd would be the desert of Iraaq and it's regions for this is to the east of the People of Madeenah. The basic meaning of Najd is that which is raised/elevated from the earth in contravention to al-Gawr for that is what is lower than it. Tihaamah [the coastal plain along the south-western and southern shores of the Arabian Peninsula] is entirely al-Gawr and Mecca is in Tihaamah.'[...] by this [saying of al-Khattaabee] the weakness of the saying of ad-Daawodee is understood that 'Najd is in the direction of Iraaq' [min Naahiya al-Iraaq] for he suggests that Najd is a specific place. This is not the case, rather everything that is elevated with respect to what adjoins it is called Najd and the lower area called Gawr." Fath al-Baaree 13/58-59

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[al-Fath al-Bari, 13/47]
Ibn Hajar Asqalani said after quoting the words of al-Khattaabee explaining the meaning of Qarn (horn):

"and others have said that the People of the East were disbelievers at that time and the Messenger of Allaah, sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, informed us that the trials and tribulations would arise from that direction and it was as he said. And the first of the trials that arose, arose from the direction of the east and they were the reason for the splitting of the Muslim ranks, and this is what Satan loves and delights in. Likewise the innovations appeared from that direction." [Fath al-Baaree 13/58 in commentary to the hadeeth of Najd]

Imam Nawawi makes a claim in his Sharh Saheeh Muslim 2/29 that it had to with Dajjal coming from the East. Furthermore, it is shown in Najd Qarnu ash-Shaytaan that there is 13 places that have been labeled as Najd depending a lot on one's own location, and from Madina, Najd would be Iraq.

For those who remain sceptical of the clear and specified texts on this matter and seek to fit the evidence around their opinions rather than vice versa, they need to understand that they can not generalise what is made specific and make specific what is generalised without evidence.

Here are two further hadeeth that reinforce the one I quoted previously and explicitly mention IRAQ and EAST in the same context:

- Ibn Abbas narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) made the following du'a:

????? ???? ??? ?? ?????????? ? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? . ???? ??? ?? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? . ??? : ?? ??? ??? ??????? ? ????? ????? ? ??? ?????? ???????

"O Allah bestow your blessings in our measuring and bestow your blessings on our Shaam and our Yemen." A person from amongst the people said, "O Prophet of Allah and our Iraq?" He said, "indeed there is the Horn of Shaytan, and the trials and tribulations and indeed harshness/estrangement is in the East." [Mu'jam al-Kabeer, Tabarani - with all narrators in the isnad being thiqat]

-Saalim ibn Abdullah ibn 'Umar said:

?? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????????????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???????????? ???? ????? ???? ???

"O people of Iraq, it is strange that you ask about the minor sins but commit the major sins. I heard my father, Abdullaah ibn 'Umar narrating that he heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) saying while motioning his hand to the East: "Indeed fitnah would come from this side, from wherein appear the Horns of Shaytan and you would strike the necks of one another..." [Saheeh Muslim]

These are some of the ahadeeth that speak of Iraq being the 'Horn of Shaytan' within the same text signifying 'East'. We can conclude and say that fitnah and other problems will generally come from the East (inc. Dajjal and Ya'jooj wa Ma'jooj etc), while the description of the 'Horn of Shaytan' has been specified to Iraq. This way, we harmonise the various texts and put and end to bickering and speculating over other details.

Furthermore, the interpretation of Najd favored by many anti-Wahabi, anti-Saudis is in rejection to a number of ahadeeth which praise the inhabitants of Saudi as a beneficial people, is found in Sahih Bukhari:


Narrated abu huraira: I have loved the people of the tribe of Bani tamim ever since I heard, three things, Allah's Apostle said about them. I heard him saying, These people (of the tribe of Bani tamim) would stand firm against Ad-Dajjal." When the Sadaqat (gifts of charity) from that tribe came, Allah's Apostle said, "These are the Sadaqat (i.e. charitable gifts) of our folk." 'Aisha had a slave-girl from that tribe, and the Prophet said to 'Aisha, "Manumit her as she is a descendant of Ishmael (the Prophet)." (Bukhari Book #46, Hadith #719)(Bukhari Book #59, Hadith #652)(Sahih Al-Muslim. Book #031, Hadith #6133,6134)
(Bukhari Book #46, Hadith #719)
(Bukhari Book #59, Hadith #652)

Ibn Hajr al-Asqalaanee said, "this hadeeth also contains a clear mention of the excellence and superiority of Bani Tameem." [Fath 5/217]

Also from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal:

"do not say of Bani Tameem anything but good, for indeed they are the severest of people in attacking the Dajjaal."

Al-Haythamee says: "its narrators are those of the Saheeh." [Mujma 10/48 chpt: What is reported concerning Bani Tameem]

Banu Tameem are the majority of people of the so-called Najd (Saudi Arabia). To label Najd as that area of Saudi Arabia would be in contradiction of the many hadeeth relating to Bani Tameem especially those in which they fight the Dajjal, who comes from the Najd that is to the East.

History has proved that indead Iraq is the land where all fitnas originated from and various silsilas of sufism and grave worshiping also emerged from this land.


Now listen to this maulana in your own language commenting on your nonsense propaganda against Shaikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahab. But I am sure you are so blinded by your grave worshiping and mushrik pirs that you don’t even understand the correct meaning of Quran and Ahadith.

I knew you would give such an answer and break your own rules. You had to quote Ibn Hajr and Nawawi to save the skin of your Najdi molvis. This is what you Najdis do to bail your molvis out and I always give them the same befitting reply. Why the pick and choose ? Why do you quote Ibn Hajr and Nawawi when it is in your favour and why don't you quote them when they go against your beliefs ? I will quote in the later part of my post their views and beliefs. First let me show what Najd was according to the Hadees of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim (Sihah Sitta - all 6) instead of a weaker Hadees book Majmu that you quoted.


Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: ‘We went out to Najd with Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa‘, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe].’ In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of ‘Najd’.


Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’ Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa - while on the other road it is al-Juhfa - for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’

Book 007, Number 2666: Sahih Muslim

Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu'l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i. e. Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-'Irq; for the people uf Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.


The following hadith is from Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Dinar:
Ibn ‘Umar said, “The Prophet fixed Qarn as the Miqat (for assuming the Ihram) for the people of Najd, and Al-Juhfa for the people of Sham, and Dhul-Hulaifa for the people of Medina.” Ibn ‘Umar added, “I heard this from the Prophet, and I have been informed that the Prophet said, ‘The Miqat for the Yemenites is Yalamlam.’ “When Iraq was mentioned, he said, “At that time it was not a Muslim country.” [Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 443]

Najd in the Hadith

There are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messenger’s willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:

Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [...] Uyayna remarked: “The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd.” But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [...] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [...] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [...] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [...] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’ (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators.

The Hadees in which Tamim tribe is praised that you quote is weak (zaeef). One of the first rebellion during Rashidun Caliphate was led by Bani Tamim. They refused to pay Zakat. Read some proper books instead of selective Najdi literature. Malik bin Nuwayrah was the head of Bani Tamim who revolted against Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a. He was finally killed by Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed r.a. (good job Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed you killed that Jahannami Najdi Tamimi rebel). He deserved to be killed. How dare he fight against muslims. He was killed and killed for good.

Later on it was another head of Bani Tamim (another Kharji) who formed a new sect called Ibadi in 708 a.d. His name was Abdullah ibn Ibad al Tamimi. The majority of people who were grouped as Kharjis by Hazrat Ali r.a. belonged to Bani Tamim.

 

[moahhid]

I knew you would give such an answer and break your own rules. You had to quote Ibn Hajr and Nawawi to save the skin of your Najdi molvis. This is what you Najdis do to bail your molvis out and I always give them the same befitting reply. Why the pick and choose ? Why do you quote Ibn Hajr and Nawawi when it is in your favour and why don't you quote them when they go against your beliefs ? I will quote in the later part of my post their views and beliefs. First let me show what Najd was according to the Hadees of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim (Sihah Sitta - all 6) instead of a weaker Hadees book Majmu that you quoted.Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: ‘We went out to Najd with Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa‘, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe].’ In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of ‘Najd’.Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’ Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa - while on the other road it is al-Juhfa - for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’Book 007, Number 2666: Sahih MuslimAbu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu'l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i. e. Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-'Irq; for the people uf Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.The following hadith is from Sahih Bukhari:Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Dinar:Ibn ‘Umar said, “The Prophet fixed Qarn as the Miqat (for assuming the Ihram) for the people of Najd, and Al-Juhfa for the people of Sham, and Dhul-Hulaifa for the people of Medina.” Ibn ‘Umar added, “I heard this from the Prophet, and I have been informed that the Prophet said, ‘The Miqat for the Yemenites is Yalamlam.’ “When Iraq was mentioned, he said, “At that time it was not a Muslim country.” [Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 443]Najd in the HadithThere are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messenger’s willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [...] Uyayna remarked: “The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd.” But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [...] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [...] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [...] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [...] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’ (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators.The Hadees in which Tamim tribe is praised that you quote is weak (zaeef). One of the first rebellion during Rashidun Caliphate was led by Bani Tamim. They refused to pay Zakat. Read some proper books instead of selective Najdi literature. Malik bin Nuwayrah was the head of Bani Tamim who revolted against Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a. He was finally killed by Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed r.a. (good job Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed you killed that Jahannami Najdi Tamimi rebel). He deserved to be killed. How dare he fight against muslims. He was killed and killed for good.Later on it was another head of Bani Tamim (another Kharji) who formed a new sect called Ibadi in 708 a.d. His name was Abdullah ibn Ibad al Tamimi. The majority of people who were grouped as Kharjis by Hazrat Ali r.a. belonged to Bani Tamim.

لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِىَ دِينِ {109:6**

Dwell in your Shirk…………………

 

[Cheeko]

[MENTION=24083]moahhid[/MENTION]

Now let us read what else Ibn Hajr and Nawawi and Tabarani and Haythamee have written in their text books as you have made them the benchmark.

[FONT=verdana,geneva]Imam Ibn Hajr al Asqalani in "Fath ul Bari"[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva]وروى ابن أبي شيبة بإسناد صحيح من رواية أبي صالح السمان عن مالك الداري - وكان خازن عمر - قال " أصاب الناس قحط في زمن عمر فجاء رجل إلى قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال: يا رسول الله استسق لأمتك فإنهم قد هلكوا، فأتى الرجل في المنام فقيل له: ائت عمر " الحديث.[/FONT]
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وقد روى سيف في الفتوح أن الذي رأى المنام المذكور هو بلال بن الحارث المزني أحد الصحابة،
وظهر بهذا كله مناسبة الترجمة لأصل هذه القصة أيضا والله الموفق [/FONT]


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Ibn Abu Shaybah transmitted it with a "SOUND CHAIN OF TRANSMISSION" the narration from Abi Salih as Samaan from Malik al Dar the treasurer of Umar (ra) that : The people were gripped by famine during the tenure of 'Umar (Ibn al-Khattab). Then a man walked up to the Prophet's grave and said, "O Messenger of Allah, please ask for rain from Allah for your Ummah who is in dire straits." Then he saw the Prophet (SAW) in dream… till the end of hadith. Sayf narrates in his Fatuh, the one seen in dream was Bilal bin Harith al Mazni who was one of the sahaba. [/FONT][[FONT=verdana,geneva]Fath ul Bari : [/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva]Volume No.2, Page No. 495][/FONT]

Imam Tabarani

It is narrated by Anas bin Malik. He said: When the mother of ‘Ali bin Abu Talib — Fatimah bint Asad bin Hashim — died, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) called on her and sat down by the head of the bed and said, “O dear mother, may Allah have mercy on you. After my mother, you were the one I regarded as my mother. When I was hungry you fed me to the point of saturation while you yourself remained hungry. Then you helped me put on clothes and instead of eating yourself, you gave me nice things to eat. You did all this for Allah’s pleasure and for a good reward in the Hereafter.” Then he (the Prophet) commanded to bathe her three times. When camphor water was brought, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) poured some water into his hands. Then Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) took off his shirt and clothed her with it and used his own sheet of cloth as her coffin.Then Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) sent for Usamah bin Zayd, Abu Ayyub al-Ansari and ‘Umar bin al-Khattab and the negro slave to dig up the grave. So they dug her grave. When they reached near the lahd, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) dug it up and drew the soil out with his own hands. When he finished, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) entered and lay down in (the grave), and said, “It is Allah Who controls life and death, and He is Ever living and will never die. (O Allah,) forgive my mother—Fatimah bint Asad— and help her answer properly at the time of questioning and through the mediation of Your Prophet (Muhammad) and the former prophets, make her grave capacious. Surely You are infinitely Merciful.” Then he repeated, “God is Great” four times (i.e. led the funeral prayer). Then he, ‘Abbas and Abu Bakr as-Siddiq lowered her into the grave.

References
[FONT=verdana,geneva]►Tabarani Mu'jam Al-Ausat Volume 001, Page Number 67-68, Hadith Number 189

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Imam Haythami

Ibn Hajr al Haythami (rah) wrote a "WHOLE BOOK" on virtues of visiting the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him) in it he writes:

Amongst the evil deeds of Ibn Taymiyyah, something which nobody before him in this world proclaimed is his rejection of Istighatha (Beseeching for help) and Tawassul through Prophet (salalallaho alaihi wasalam). This Tawassul through Prophet (salallaho alaihi wassalam) is Hassan (fair) in all conditions whether before his creation (i.e. him being sent to the world), after it (i.e. his death), also in this world and on Day of Judgment.

Reference

►Jawhar al Munazzam fi Ziyaratil Qabr il Mukkaram: Page No. 171


[FONT=verdana,geneva]Imam Ibn Hajr Asqalani[/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva] [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva][/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva]Imam Ibn Hajr Asqalani proving Yahyah Bin Yahya research said this proves Imam Ibn Hajr and Imam Hakim (rah) Belief (aqida) that going to tombs of Awliyas and asking through their Intercession is allowed. Ibn Hajr (rah) Writes: Imam Hakim (rah) said that he heard Abu Ali Nishapori that he said that I was in extreme depression that I saw Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) in my dream he said that go to grave of Yahya bin Yahya (rah) and do Istaghfar and ask for help through his Intercession your problem will be solved. Abu Ali Nishapori said I did like that and my problem was solved in the morning. [Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib ut-Tahdhib Volume 004, Page 398][/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana,geneva]Imam Nawawi says in "Majmu" (8/274):[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva]قال الإمام النووي في المجموع (ج8/274) كتاب صفة الحج، باب زيارة قبر الرسول صلى اللّه عليه وسلم: "ثم يرجع إلى موقفه الأول قُبالة وجه رسول اللّه صلى اللّه عليه وسلّم (((ويتوسل به))) في حق نفسه ويستشفع به إلى ربه". [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]Imam al Nawawi (rah) said in his Majmu (8/274) the book of description of Hajj, chapter of “Visiting the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him): [/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva]The one visiting should stand by facing towards the face of Prophet (Peace be upon him) [/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva]and make him a means (tawassul) and seek his wasilah as intercession (shafa'at) towards the Lord.


Intermediation through Allah’s favourites in the jungle

[FONT=verdana,geneva]‘Abdullāh bin Mas‘ūd has narrated that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:

When you lose your means of transport in a jungle, you should call: O creatures of Allah! Help me, recover my transport! O creatures of Allah! Help me, recover my transport! There are many of Allah’s creatures on this earth. They will help you recover it.

References

►Tabarānī narrated it in al-Mu‘jam-ul-kabīr (10:217#10518)

► Haythamī, Majma‘-uz-zawā’id (10:132)

►Ibn Hajar ‘Asqalānī in al-Matālib-ul-‘āliyah (3:239#3375).


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[FONT=verdana,geneva]Translation: Narrated Abu Hurayra I heard the Prophet say: "By the one in Whose hand is Abu al-Qasim's soul, "ISA IBN MARYAM SHALL DESCEND" as a just and wise ruler. He shall destroy the cross, slay the swine, eradicate discord and grudges, and money shall be offered to him but he will not accept it. Then he shall stand at my grave side and say: Ya Muhammad! and I will answer him. (Abu Ya`la relates it with a sound (sahih) chain in his Musnad Volume No. 11, Page No. 462, [FONT=verdana,geneva](Dar al-Ma'mun ed. 1407/1987)[/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva][COLOR=[URL=http://www.siasat.pk/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=000000%5D%5D]#000000]][/URL] al-Haythami says in Majma` al-zawa'id (8:5), Chapter entitled: "`Isa ibn Maryam's Descent": "Its sub-narrators are the men of sound (sahih) hadith")[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva]
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[FONT=verdana,geneva]Imam Ibn Hajr al-Haythami (rah) said of that hadith:

رواه أبو يعلى ورجاله رجال الصحيح

Translation: It is Narrated by Abu Ya'la and "ALL ITS RIJAAL ARE THOSE OF SAHIH" [Majma az Zawaid Volume 8, Page No. 387, Hadith No. 13813]
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If this is not enough then tell me and I will quote more from their works which goes against your beliefs. So either you tell me to believe in their interpretation of the Najd Hadees and also what rest is in their books or you tell me to not to believe in their interpretation!! Choice is yours so guide me if you can!!
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[Cheeko]

لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِىَ دِينِ {109:6**

Dwell in your Shirk

Not so fast I'm not allowing you to escape. Who are you tell what is shirk and what is not.

Hadees
Anas bin Malik (ra) narrates from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) who said: Three things are the roots of faith (1) To refrain from (killing) a person who says La ILaha IL Allah (2) Not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits (3) and also not to declare him out of Islam due to any of his deed. Jihad continues from the day I was sent as Prophet to the day that last member of my community fight with the Dajjal. The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine Decree. [Sunnan Abu Dawud, Volume No. 2, Hadith # 2170]

Hudhaifa i.e. Ibn al Yaman (ra) said that the Prophet (saw) said: Verily, I fear about a man from you who will read the Qur'an so much that his face will become enlightened and he will come to personify Islam. This will continue until Allah desires. Then these things will be taken away from him when he will disregard them by putting them all behind his back and will attack his neighbor with the sword accusing him of Shirk. The Prophet was asked - which of the two will be deserving of such an accusation? - The attacker or the attacked? The Prophet replied - the attacker (the one accusing the other of Shirk)
►Narrated by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Tahqiq Nasir Albani, Volume 001, Page No. 200, Hadith Number 81] Nasir Albani said: 'this hadith is hasan' also see [Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah - Albani Volume 007-A, Page No. 605, Hadith Number 3201]

 

[Cheeko]

Who will decide what is good innovation and what is bad innovation? Your grave worshiping mushrik pirs or intoxicated qubooris. Our deen has been completed and our Prophet S.A.W has shown us every thing which pleases Allah S.W.T and anything which is invented in deen is rejected and leads to hell fire. Now please don’t give examples of car, aeroplane, concrete masjid, loud speakers etc (as your grave worshiping pirs do). Nobody would say that these thing are part of deen if you do it’s your problem.

Allah Almighty says, "And what is there after truth except misguidance?" (10:32)

and the Almighty says, "We have not omitted anything from the Book." (6:39; 6:38)

The Almighty says, "If you have a dispute about something, refer it back to Allah and the Messenger" (4:58; 4:59)

and the Almighty says, "This is My Path and it is straight, so follow it. Do not follow other ways or you will become cut off from His Way." (6:154; 6:153)

The Almighty says, "Say: 'If you love Allah, then follow me and Allah will love you and forgive you for your wrong actions," (3:31) and the ayats about this topic are numerous and well-known.

Ahadith against innovations

A'isha said that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Anyone who introduces an innovation in this affair of ours which is not part of it, it will be rejected." [Agreed upon]
In a variant of Muslim, "Anyone who does an action which is not in accordance with this affair of ours will be rejected."

Jabir said, "While the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was delivering an address, his eyes would become red, he would raise his voice and he would become very angry until he was like someone admonishing an army. He would say, "(Guard youselves against attack) in the morning and the evening.' He would say, 'I have been sent at a time when I and the Last Hour are like these two,' and he joined together his index finger and middle finger.' He would say, 'Following on from that: the best speech is the Book of Allah. The best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. The worst of matters are the new ones, and every innovation is misguidance.' Then he would say, 'I am more entitled to every believer than his own self. Whoever leaves property, it is for his family. Whoever leaves a debt or family, it is for me and on me." [Muslim]

No one has to guide me about which innovation is right and which innovation is wrong when Quran and Hadees are the benchmarks. No I will not give you examples of cars or aeroplanes although you instead of travelling on camels for hajj purposes which is sunnah would use the help of a car or aeroplane. I will not use those examples as I will use the example of Quran and Hadees only - the compilation of Quran in the book form is itself an innovation because it wasn't in this book form during the time of the Last Messenger peace be upon him. The first surah was surah al-alaq but in the book form of Quran it is not the first surah. The Hadees books which we read are also innovations because there were no books of Hadees during the time of the Last Messenger peace be upon him.

The only and only guide of mine will be Quran and Hadees when I need to find out whether the new innovation is according to the principles of Islam, whether they are not prohibited in Quran and Hadees etc.

I have already quoted the Hadees which clearly explains that good innovations are allowed and bad innovations are prohibited. The Hadees that you quoted is that of bad innovations. I am quoting a part of that Hadees again....

Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who introduced some good practice in Islam which was followed after him (by people) he would be assured of reward like one who followed it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect. And he who introduced some evil practice in Islam which had been followed subsequently (by others), he would be required to bear the burden like that of one who followed this (evil practice) without their's being diminished in any respect [Sahih Muslim chapter 34 # 6466]

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[moahhid]

@moahhid

Now let us read what else Ibn Hajr and Nawawi and Tabarani and Haythamee have written in their text books as you have made them the benchmark.

Imam Ibn Hajr al Asqalani in "Fath ul Bari"

وروى ابن أبي شيبة بإسناد صحيح من رواية أبي صالح السمان عن مالك الداري - وكان خازن عمر - قال " أصاب الناس قحط في زمن عمر فجاء رجل إلى قبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال: يا رسول الله استسق لأمتك فإنهم قد هلكوا، فأتى الرجل في المنام فقيل له: ائت عمر " الحديث.

وقد روى سيف في الفتوح أن الذي رأى المنام المذكور هو بلال بن الحارث المزني أحد الصحابة،
وظهر بهذا كله مناسبة الترجمة لأصل هذه القصة أيضا والله الموفق


Ibn Abu Shaybah transmitted it with a "SOUND CHAIN OF TRANSMISSION" the narration from Abi Salih as Samaan from Malik al Dar the treasurer of Umar (ra) that : The people were gripped by famine during the tenure of 'Umar (Ibn al-Khattab). Then a man walked up to the Prophet's grave and said, "O Messenger of Allah, please ask for rain from Allah for your Ummah who is in dire straits." Then he saw the Prophet (SAW) in dream… till the end of hadith. Sayf narrates in his Fatuh, the one seen in dream was Bilal bin Harith al Mazni who was one of the sahaba. [Fath ul Bari : Volume No.2, Page No. 495]

Imam Tabarani

It is narrated by Anas bin Malik. He said: When the mother of ‘Ali bin Abu Talib — Fatimah bint Asad bin Hashim — died, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) called on her and sat down by the head of the bed and said, “O dear mother, may Allah have mercy on you. After my mother, you were the one I regarded as my mother. When I was hungry you fed me to the point of saturation while you yourself remained hungry. Then you helped me put on clothes and instead of eating yourself, you gave me nice things to eat. You did all this for Allah’s pleasure and for a good reward in the Hereafter.” Then he (the Prophet) commanded to bathe her three times. When camphor water was brought, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) poured some water into his hands. Then Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) took off his shirt and clothed her with it and used his own sheet of cloth as her coffin.Then Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) sent for Usamah bin Zayd, Abu Ayyub al-Ansari and ‘Umar bin al-Khattab and the negro slave to dig up the grave. So they dug her grave. When they reached near the lahd, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) dug it up and drew the soil out with his own hands. When he finished, Allah’s Messenger (Peace Be Upon Him) entered and lay down in (the grave), and said, “It is Allah Who controls life and death, and He is Ever living and will never die. (O Allah,) forgive my mother—Fatimah bint Asad— and help her answer properly at the time of questioning and through the mediation of Your Prophet (Muhammad) and the former prophets, make her grave capacious. Surely You are infinitely Merciful.” Then he repeated, “God is Great” four times (i.e. led the funeral prayer). Then he, ‘Abbas and Abu Bakr as-Siddiq lowered her into the grave.

References
►Tabarani Mu'jam Al-Ausat Volume 001, Page Number 67-68, Hadith Number 189



Imam Haythami

Ibn Hajr al Haythami (rah) wrote a "WHOLE BOOK" on virtues of visiting the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him) in it he writes:

Amongst the evil deeds of Ibn Taymiyyah, something which nobody before him in this world proclaimed is his rejection of Istighatha (Beseeching for help) and Tawassul through Prophet (salalallaho alaihi wasalam). This Tawassul through Prophet (salallaho alaihi wassalam) is Hassan (fair) in all conditions whether before his creation (i.e. him being sent to the world), after it (i.e. his death), also in this world and on Day of Judgment.

Reference

►Jawhar al Munazzam fi Ziyaratil Qabr il Mukkaram: Page No. 171


Imam Ibn Hajr Asqalani

Imam Ibn Hajr Asqalani proving Yahyah Bin Yahya research said this proves Imam Ibn Hajr and Imam Hakim (rah) Belief (aqida) that going to tombs of Awliyas and asking through their Intercession is allowed. Ibn Hajr (rah) Writes: Imam Hakim (rah) said that he heard Abu Ali Nishapori that he said that I was in extreme depression that I saw Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) in my dream he said that go to grave of Yahya bin Yahya (rah) and do Istaghfar and ask for help through his Intercession your problem will be solved. Abu Ali Nishapori said I did like that and my problem was solved in the morning. [Ibn Hajr, Tahdhib ut-Tahdhib Volume 004, Page 398]



Imam Nawawi says in "Majmu" (8/274):

قال الإمام النووي في المجموع (ج8/274) كتاب صفة الحج، باب زيارة قبر الرسول صلى اللّه عليه وسلم: "ثم يرجع إلى موقفه الأول قُبالة وجه رسول اللّه صلى اللّه عليه وسلّم (((ويتوسل به))) في حق نفسه ويستشفع به إلى ربه".
Imam al Nawawi (rah) said in his Majmu (8/274) the book of description of Hajj, chapter of “Visiting the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him): The one visiting should stand by facing towards the face of Prophet (Peace be upon him) and make him a means (tawassul) and seek his wasilah as intercession (shafa'at) towards the Lord.


Intermediation through Allah’s favourites in the jungle

‘Abdullāh bin Mas‘ūd has narrated that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said:

When you lose your means of transport in a jungle, you should call: O creatures of Allah! Help me, recover my transport! O creatures of Allah! Help me, recover my transport! There are many of Allah’s creatures on this earth. They will help you recover it.

References

►Tabarānī narrated it in al-Mu‘jam-ul-kabīr (10:217#10518)

► Haythamī, Majma‘-uz-zawā’id (10:132)

►Ibn Hajar ‘Asqalānī in al-Matālib-ul-‘āliyah (3:239#3375).


Imam Haythami

Translation: Narrated Abu Hurayra I heard the Prophet say: "By the one in Whose hand is Abu al-Qasim's soul, "ISA IBN MARYAM SHALL DESCEND" as a just and wise ruler. He shall destroy the cross, slay the swine, eradicate discord and grudges, and money shall be offered to him but he will not accept it. Then he shall stand at my grave side and say: Ya Muhammad! and I will answer him. (Abu Ya`la relates it with a sound (sahih) chain in his Musnad Volume No. 11, Page No. 462, (Dar al-Ma'mun ed. 1407/1987)[COLOR=[URL="http://www.siasat.pk/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=000000]]"]#000000]][/URL] al-Haythami says in Majma` al-zawa'id (8:5), Chapter entitled: "`Isa ibn Maryam's Descent": "Its sub-narrators are the men of sound (sahih) hadith")[/COLOR]

Imam Ibn Hajr al-Haythami (rah) said of that hadith:

رواه أبو يعلى ورجاله رجال الصحيح

Translation: It is Narrated by Abu Ya'la and "ALL ITS RIJAAL ARE THOSE OF SAHIH" [Majma az Zawaid Volume 8, Page No. 387, Hadith No. 13813]


If this is not enough then tell me and I will quote more from their works which goes against your beliefs. So either you tell me to believe in their interpretation of the Najd Hadees and also what rest is in their books or you tell me to not to believe in their interpretation!! Choice is yours so guide me if you can!!

Nothing new, same typical attitude of grave worshipers! Stretching interpretation of ahadith to suit your shirkiya beliefs and practices, I can’t do anything for you if shirk is destined for you. There is no such thing as bidaah or shirk in your creed, everything is halal for you. Happy?
Carry on……………..

 

[Cheeko]

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[Cheeko]

Nothing new, same typical attitude of grave worshipers! Stretching interpretation of ahadith to suit your shirkiya beliefs and practices, I can’t do anything for you if shirk is destined for you. There is no such thing as bidaah or shirk in your creed, everything is halal for you. Happy?
Carry on……………..

I didn't interpret them. I have only quoted their own words. Where is my interpretation point it out ? You just admit it that you have no answer to me. You have been made speechless by me.

 

[moahhid]

Not Yet. Alhamdolellah my faith is stronger than a grave worshipers. Where does the ahadith say that the fitna is Shaikh Muhammad Abdul Wahab. It is only a useless preopaganda of your Mushrik Pirs. and by the way i never said that kill all Mushrik or Kafirs, that is your words not mine. Neither i said that you are a Kafir. I am saying that you are involved in shrik. A person may claim that he is a muslim but at the same time he may involved in major shirk and you are on of them. If you still believe that you are not, thry watch these videos

And you can find 1000,s of them on youtube. But for you all this stuff is allowed as you are..............

 

[moahhid]

Come on man! make some ahadith to approve these practices of your qubooris. I am waiting

 

[moahhid]

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[moahhid]

and also see you hajj in pakistan. Watch whole video, don't stop while you see a wahabi in it. if you believe that Wahabis have made this movie try visit these and many other centres of shirk in Pakistan and India. But again this is not shirk for you. I reckon you only consider shirk if someone is praying to an idol. But what is the difference between a standing idol and an idol in a grave. majority of your grave worshipers don't even know what is in the grave they are worshiping of, many have horses, donkeys, cats and dogs in these graves. Carry on man this suits you......

 

[Cheeko]

Not Yet. Alhamdolellah my faith is stronger than a grave worshipers. Where does the ahadith say that the fitna is Shaikh Muhammad Abdul Wahab. It is only a useless preopaganda of your Mushrik Pirs. and by the way i never said that kill all Mushrik or Kafirs, that is your words not mine. Neither i said that you are a Kafir as i don't even know you. I am saying that you are involved in shrik.
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I see that you have accepted defeat and can no longer now argue with me from Quran and Hadees. Your Najdi molvi is the fitna as he arose from Najd and killed many muslims under the umbrella of Al Saud.

As far as these videos are concerned I will summarise you briefly that sajdah i.e. prostrating to anyone where one's forehead touches to the ground is wrong. It is regarded as haram but not shirk. There is difference between haram and shirk but ofcourse both are wrong. Haram can be forgiven but not shirk. Sajdah with intention of worshipping other than Allah swt is shirk but sajdah for respect is haram. The intensity of sins varies between the two. Haram act can be forgiven but shirk is unforgiveable (although Allah swt is Ghafoor ur Raheem and if He wishes he may forgive that as well).

Raqs is not forbidden as can be seen from Hadees....

Hadrat Ali (ra) said: I went to the Prophet (salallaho alaihi wasalam) with Jafar (RA) and Zayd (ra), The Prophet (saw) said to Zayd: You are my freedman (anta Mawlay), “AT THIS ZAYD BEGAN TO HOP ON ONE LEG (HAJALA) AROUND THE PROPHET” then the Prophet (saw) said to Jafar (ra): You resemble me in my creation and my manners, at this Jafar also began to hop behind Zayd, then the Prophet (saw) said to Ali (ra): You are from me and I am from you, at this he also started to hop behind Jafar. [Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal 1:537 #857]
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This hadith proves from the acceptance of Prophet (Peace be upon him) and Amal of great Sahaba like Zayd (ra), Jafar (ra) and Ali (ra) that doing Raqs is fine.

It is narrated by Anas (R.A) that the Habashis were presenting their art in front of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and “THEY WERE DANCING (Yarqasun)” while saying: Muhammadun Abdun Salih (i.e. Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم the righteous slave). The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) asked: What are they saying? They said: Muhammadun Abdun Salih [Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal]



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Now read what your beloved Imam Nawawi and others have to say....

Imam Nawawi said: “Dancing is not unlawful, unless it is languid, like the movements of the effeminate. And it is permissible to speak and to sing poetry, unless it satirizes someone, is obscene, or alludes to a particular woman” [Minhaj at talibin wa `umdat al-muttaqin]

Imam Ibn Hajar Al-Haytami also mentions “it is permissible to stand and dance during gatherings of Dhikr and audition according to a group of great scholars, among them being Shaykh al- Islam Ibn Abdus Salam.” [Fatawa al-hadithiyya, p. 298]

 

[moahhid]

I see that you have accepted defeat and can no longer now argue with me from Quran and Hadees. Your Najdi molvi is the fitna as he arose from Najd and killed many muslims under the umbrella of Al Saud.

As far as these videos are concerned I will summarise you briefly that sajdah i.e. prostrating to anyone where one's forehead touches to the ground is wrong. It is regarded as haram but not shirk. There is difference between haram and shirk but ofcourse both are wrong. Haram can be forgiven but not shirk. Sajdah with intention of worshipping other than Allah swt is shirk but sajdah for respect is haram. The intensity of sins varies between the two. Haram act can be forgiven but shirk is unforgiveable (although Allah swt is Ghafoor ur Raheem and if He wishes he may forgive that as well).

Raqs is not forbidden as can be seen from Hadees....

Hadrat Ali (ra) said: I went to the Prophet (salallaho alaihi wasalam) with Jafar (RA) and Zayd (ra), The Prophet (saw) said to Zayd: You are my freedman (anta Mawlay), “AT THIS ZAYD BEGAN TO HOP ON ONE LEG (HAJALA) AROUND THE PROPHET” then the Prophet (saw) said to Jafar (ra): You resemble me in my creation and my manners, at this Jafar also began to hop behind Zayd, then the Prophet (saw) said to Ali (ra): You are from me and I am from you, at this he also started to hop behind Jafar. [Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal 1:537 #857]

This hadith proves from the acceptance of Prophet (Peace be upon him) and Amal of great Sahaba like Zayd (ra), Jafar (ra) and Ali (ra) that doing Raqs is fine.

It is narrated by Anas (R.A) that the Habashis were presenting their art in front of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and “THEY WERE DANCING (Yarqasun)” while saying: Muhammadun Abdun Salih (i.e. Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم the righteous slave). The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) asked: What are they saying? They said: Muhammadun Abdun Salih [Musnad Ahmed bin Hanbal]




Now read what your beloved Imam Nawawi and others have to say....

Imam Nawawi said: “Dancing is not unlawful, unless it is languid, like the movements of the effeminate. And it is permissible to speak and to sing poetry, unless it satirizes someone, is obscene, or alludes to a particular woman” [Minhaj at talibin wa `umdat al-muttaqin]

Imam Ibn Hajar Al-Haytami also mentions “it is permissible to stand and dance during gatherings of Dhikr and audition according to a group of great scholars, among them being Shaykh al- Islam Ibn Abdus Salam.” [Fatawa al-hadithiyya, p. 298]

That's like a true grave worshiper but Why did you say sajda is haram, it is halal for you, even shirk is halal for you. Enjoy it there is nothing bad for you in all this stuff.

 

[rafay1122]

Your hate for sufism is evident from day one but no proper response has come yet from the master of Sunnah Sheikh Imran's blind followers.

What is wrong with you brother??

Whats the point of being personal? I never got personnal... Oh and just to let you know..I am bayt with Zulfiqar Ahmad Naqshbandi... look him up and u would know the right way of tassawuf etc etc which I feel peace with... and I love doing muraqabah in my free time.. whenever I can.. so I am quite sufi btw... and NO not from day one NEVER... you obv donno.. I have defended Jalaluddin Runi and Al Ghazzil Rahimullah aliah here way before you brother...

Rest is all mazar crap that quite frankly is quite absurd and we must denounce it... All I said was a simple thing.. issues he highlighted should be answered rather than a ring issue that you decided to raise out of no where because you just didn't like what he said.. and now are finidng it hard to defend so have reverted to personal attacks!

Akhi... becareful in whatever you say...arent we divided into enough groups already?

 

[Cheeko]

That's like a true grave worshioper but Why did you say sajda is haram, it is halal for you, even shirk is halal for you. Enjoy it there is nothing bad for you in all this stuff.

Don't get angry Najdi you seem to be pissed off.

 

[Cheeko]

Now your turn to aswer about these.

 

[rafay1122]

Not Yet. Alhamdolellah my faith is stronger than a grave worshipers. Where does the ahadith say that the fitna is Shaikh Muhammad Abdul Wahab. It is only a useless preopaganda of your Mushrik Pirs. and by the way i never said that kill all Mushrik or Kafirs, that is your words not mine. Neither i said that you are a Kafir. I am saying that you are involved in shrik. A person may claim that he is a muslim but at the same time he may involved in major shirk and you are on of them. If you still believe that you are not, thry watch these videos

And you can find 1000,s of them on youtube. But for you all this stuff is allowed as you are..............

I AM GUTTED BRO... people are SUCH BIG IDIOTS.....SUCH BIG IDIOTS.... shukar Allah ka jisney humain ilm dya iss sab kufar se door rehney ka... Jahalat buhat bari ***** hai!!!

 

[moahhid]

Now your turn to aswer about these.

You can’t hide the truth, the shirk which you are involved in is evident and you can’t close youtube, 1000,s proofs of your naked major shirk have been uploaded by the slaves of Allah S.W.T. Alhamdolellah

Let the people on this forum dicide who is doing shirk after watching videos posted by both of us, if you are blind

 

[moahhid]

I AM GUTTED BRO... people are SUCH BIG IDIOTS.....SUCH BIG IDIOTS.... shukar Allah ka jisney humain ilm dya iss sab kufar se door rehney ka... Jahalat buhat bari ***** hai!!!

Yes brother, but don’t you see this guy cheeko says that it is not shirk, if this is not shirk then what is shirk?