Tomb blowing in Iraq is a blemish on Caliph Ibrahim of Islam

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
One of the hallmarks of ancient prophets was the institution of Miracles , while the hallmark miracle of prophet of Islam was a consistent holy book and the hallmark of first caliphs was not to do anything which prophet of Islam did not and that a characteristic of subsequent caliphs was to make Islamic law as state law while themselves they felt exempted from all rules .


Caliph Ibrahim of Islam is faltering , it may be that ancient tombs may not contain any prophetic remains and might have become just income generators for some but nevertheless this required scientific inquiry, they are older buildings and of interest to next generations , to destroy them with explosives is rude and disrespect to the dead . They can be converted to other uses .Of course this tomb making business needs discouragement and to combine worship place with tomb was not liked by the prophet of Islam . I do understand the iconoclastic spirit behind work of ISIS but there is way for every thing .

Offcourse no sane Muslim and least of a Caliph would like to be known in history as blower of tombs of prophets .

Reportedly when an old leaning tower was being about to be destroyed , surrounding people stopped them .
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ISIS,DAASH.par AMBYA KARAM ki touheen ka FATWA jari hona chahay
In sab ko aur in ki support karnay walo ko Muslims Ummah ki taraf se
Khwarij qarar dena chahay..
 

Inam Ansari

MPA (400+ posts)
These tombs do not belong to any prophet. It is an established fact that only known resting place of any prophet is of Rasool Pak SAW. The tomb said to be of Hazrat Younis AS was built in 138 Hijri by Tamur Lane on the land of a destroyed church. It did not exist during the time of Rasool Allah SAW or sahaba RZA.
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
The atrocity ridden atmosphere is multiplying in Iraq , few days back shia militia dragged bodies of ISIS fighters in streets , some of the hanged were wearing shalwar which according to news item is popular with sunni jehadists for some time .
 

Islamabadi1

Minister (2k+ posts)
When you have people drawing cartoons of the Prophet...you are up in arms....but when the tomb of another prophet is blown up...you are silent. You know why ? Because your sect discriminates between the prophets....your (majority) sect only loves 1 prophet....and don't gives a damn for the others....that is your bitter truth
 

Londonguy

Senator (1k+ posts)
ISIL: The Latest Disastrous Tool of Western Statecraft (Carta Maior, Brazil)

ISIL: The Latest Disastrous Tool of Western Statecraft (Carta Maior, Brazil)




This column deals with an issue that no U.S. official, or member of the mainstream media for that matter, will ever address or admit to: the deliberate fostering and creation of terrorist groups for the furtherance of American foreign policy. For Brazil’s Carta Maior, columnist Francisco Carlos Teixeira takes on the history of Western involvement in the Middle East, showing how it has exacerbated Sunni-Shiite tensions for its own purposes since at least the beginning of the last century. Teixeira writes that the reason such tensions are so prevalent in the Middle East today is that Washington has made the monumental error of seeing them as a handy tool for controlling countries like Iraq and Syria. Instead, though, the creation of groups like al-Qaeda and ISIL, aka/the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, has literally blown up in America’s face, along with that of its partner in crime, Saudi Arabia.

For Carta Maior, Francisco Carlos Teixeira begins with a run-through of the dawn of the Sunni-Shiite breach in the eighth century, Britain’s ‘appointment’ of a small minority of Sunnis to rule over the majority Shiites, starting in 1918 in Iraq, and then in Lebanon, Syria, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, always resulting in ‘cruel and highly repressive dictatorships.’ He then takes up the issue of Iraq, and challenges Washington’s mantra that Iraq Prime Minister Maliki is flawed because of an incapacity to work with Sunnis and Kurds, laying out a series of reasons Washington wants him out, one of them being his refusal to go along with the Western strategy of toppling Bashar al-Assad in Syria. On that issue, and on the creation of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Teixeira writes in part:
Baghdad charted a foreign policy independent of the so-called Arab Spring revolutions, especially in Syria. For Baghdad and Tehran, the situation in Syria was and is completely different from the other “Springs.”

Early on, they denounced the extensive foreign intervention from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, with the support of the United States, Turkey and France, to overthrow the Assad regime, comprised of a coalition of Shiites (Alawite) and Christians, which is nationalist in character, as well as pan-Arab and anti-Israel. Tehran and Baghdad denounced from the outset foreign intervention and the presence of mercenaries and volunteers from the Persian Gulf, financed by Saudi Arabia and armed by England and France, aimed at overthrowing the Damascus regime.

In Syria, a broad Sunni fundamentalist coalition formed that was extremely intolerant and conservative in character: al-Qaeda, the al-Nusra Front, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, called ISIL in English.

This coalition, in the beginning manipulated by Saudi Arabia, with the capacity to unify a wide swath of Arab territory under its authority and eliminate Iranian influence in the region, became increasingly autonomous, and eventually adopted the ideals of al-Qaeda, which was in the end overcome by the harshness and cruelty of the “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.”

Meanwhile, Al-Maliki caused great discomfort in Washington and Paris by supporting pan-Arab and Shiite groups in Lebanon, where the “Dawa Party,” a Lebanese cousin of Iraq’s Dawa and also very close to Tehran, confronted American and French troops in Lebanon.

Thus in recent years, the Obama-Clinton Administration (2009-2013), drawing ever closer to the American center-right and right, and to Saudi interests in America, has adopted a clear anti-Iran, anti-Dawa, anti-Shiite stance, based on a strategic triangle capable of ruling the Arab world centered in Turkey, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. For the sake of this obsessively anti-Iranian stance, Washington permitted the growth of Wahhabi fundamentalism (the most radical branch of Sunni Islam, which executes Shiite clergymen and destroys Shiism’s holy places), and the formation of a large army to which it gave a territorial basis for dominating regions of Syria and Iraq – something that al-Qaeda never succeeded in doing.

Strangest of all, to sum up this immense list of strategic, political, and anthropological mistakes made by Washington, is that the death of Osama bin Laden strengthened and accelerated the fight against the Baghdad government established by the American invasion in 2003. The elimination of the charismatic leadership of bin Laden among his followers and sympathizers allowed for the emergence of dissident forces such as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and its proclamation of the “caliphate,” opening up a new and explosive reality in the Middle East.

All told, the United States acted like Harry Potter upon obtaining his first magic wand: it liberated forces it didn’t understand or control. The crucial difference is that in this case, there is clear risk of general chaos and a bitter end for the local peoples.
 
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Inam Ansari

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: ISIL: The Latest Disastrous Tool of Western Statecraft (Carta Maior, Brazil)

Meanwhile in Libya:
[h=1]Islamists overrun army base in Benghazi[/h]

Published Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Islamist fighters and militants overran a major Libyan army base in the eastern city of Benghazi on Tuesday after a fierce battle involving rockets and warplanes in which at least 30 people were killed.
Special forces troops had to abandon their main camp in southeast Benghazi after coming under sustained attack from a coalition of Islamist fighters and militias, military officials and residents said.
"We have withdrawn from the army base after heavy shelling," Saiqa Special Forces official Fadel Al-Hassi told Reuters.
A special forces spokesman confirmed Islamist fighters had taken over the base.



 

Londonguy

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: ISIL: The Latest Disastrous Tool of Western Statecraft (Carta Maior, Brazil)

Meanwhile in Libya:
Islamists overrun army base in Benghazi



Published Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Islamist fighters and militants overran a major Libyan army base in the eastern city of Benghazi on Tuesday after a fierce battle involving rockets and warplanes in which at least 30 people were killed.
Special forces troops had to abandon their main camp in southeast Benghazi after coming under sustained attack from a coalition of Islamist fighters and militias, military officials and residents said.
"We have withdrawn from the army base after heavy shelling," Saiqa Special Forces official Fadel Al-Hassi told Reuters.
A special forces spokesman confirmed Islamist fighters had taken over the base.




Does not mean much.

ISIS ISIL IS Daesh or whatever they call themselves are being gathered in one place, being allowed to run amok for a while, kill lots of Muslims destroy this destroy that. Get a thoroughly bad press, and when you think you have a little state called "Islamic State", they will arm everyone around you to the teeth and they will all come toast ISIL one by one

All they are doing is using Twitter Youtube Facebook and other such like social media to gather all the World's STPUID Jihadi elements in one place,
then switch off their Mobiles Sat Navs Internet Cell phones and what do you have

Thousands of Jihadis caught in a foreign land trying to use technology which is not available. Allowing themselves to be traced.

Sitting ducks for everyone surrounding them and within a month or two

Baghdadi and his hell bound bunch of bastrds are history,

the west has liberated "Muslims" from " Muslim tyrants" whilst the rest of the Islamic World sat still mouths shut

Reminds of the Serbs and Croats being allowed to do the same 20+ years ago before Bush and Blair came riding to the rescue of Muslims

Setting it up for Obama's and Cameron's and Angelina's Successors
 
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chandaa

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
They have nothing to do with Islam or the Prophet Ibrahim(AS). They are khawarij (thumbsdown)
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Islamab68655 said:
When you have people drawing cartoons of the Prophet...you are up in arms....but when the tomb of another prophet is blown up...you are silent. You know why ? Because your sect discriminates between the prophets....your (majority) sect only loves 1 prophet....and don't gives a damn for the others....that is your bitter truth

The graves of prophet being a true grave is a contentious issue, confirmation requires research , denial also needs research , the usage of those graves for building new pilgrimage sites is another issue , important thing is that whosoever is burried there if anyone is , has to be respected and dynamite is no way of handling such sites
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
They have nothing to do with Islam or the Prophet Ibrahim(AS). They are khawarij (thumbsdown)
We cannot dismiss predominant and winning forces of our times by calling them khawarij, frankly this shia slogan of khawarij for a variety of opposition to shia thought is not a tool of political analysis , it may be good for heating up shia sentiments but overall it does not help in analysis or solving issues on ground. Fact is at whoever this ISIL is they are writing history , they are sitting on gate of Baghdad and Damascus , they might occupy both , they have rich powers behind it , they are wild , ferocious , numerous ,from everywhere . They have support of some part of sunni world which is 80% of total number of muslims. They may be defeated ,or they may set the stage of fall of Mullah regime of Tehran , who knows .
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: ISIL: The Latest Disastrous Tool of Western Statecraft (Carta Maior, Brazil)

Does not possibility

ISIS ISIL IS Daesh or whatever they call themselves are being gathered in one place, being allowed to run amok for a while, kill lots of Muslims destroy this destroy that. Get a thoroughly bad press, and when you think you have a little state called "Islamic State", they will arm everyone around you to the teeth and they will all come toast ISIL one by one

All they are doing is using Twitter Youtube Facebook and other such like social media to gather all the World's STPUID Jihadi elements in one place,
then switch off their Mobiles Sat Navs Internet Cell phones and what do you have

Thousands of Jihadis caught in a foreign land trying to use technology which is not available. Allowing themselves to be traced.

Sitting ducks for everyone surrounding them and within a month or two

Baghdadi and his hell bound bunch of bastrds are history,

the west has liberated "Muslims" from " Muslim tyrants" whilst the rest of the Islamic World sat still mouths shut

Reminds of the Serbs and Croats being allowed to do the same 20+ years ago before Bush and Blair came riding to the rescue of Muslims

Setting it up for Obama's and Cameron's and Angelina's Successors

This certainly is one predominant possiblity but whether west can do anything in middleast against the new power block of Egypt, Turkey ,Saudia and Israel is doubtful ,very doubtful .
 

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