Translations of quran

[babadeena]

Quran has been translated by immense people since it revelation and still the process is going on. The question is that some moulvi's are bitter against the translations. Should these translations should be discarded altogether and then what is the way to understand Quran. Specially when Quran is in Arabic Language and this language is not the mother language of all mankind. The Quran is for all mankind and this mankind should do what, for example:

a) Only read the Quran for the sake of reading in "rote concept" and "swab theory"
b) Only listen in a melodious voices and move the head like snake moves in front of Bean
and bansari;
c) Only put it high in a niche a the upper part of outer door and should come and go
under it and think that it will save from all ills.

d) Only marry the unfortunate girls with it (Believe me in Pakistan, in villages there is t tendency to attribute that lady who could not marry that she is married to Quran)

e) Only read it when somebody died and attribute the finishing sawab to the deceased; that he will get ten rewards for every word read albeit he used to be different people in his life time.

f) Force the people to first read millions type of other books/material/tajwaheed/tafsirs/taweels and they should offer garlands and gifts to moulvis before touching Quran;

g) Closed the eyes and accept what had been written by others and accept that as final words.

So what is the best way to understand Quran WITHOUT TRANSLATIONS. Let the worthy
commentators should give their input how best the Quran should be understood, if it is
needed to be understood at all. Is there any contributions of 'Translations" or those are just for the shake of it?
Thanks.

 

[babadeena]

Babadeena,

This is fact that Muslims have caused more damaged and polluted this beautiful relilion Islam than even non-Muslims by adding all kind of SHIRKIA believes, Sufism, innovations (بدعت). Now the innovators are afraid that if ordinary Muslim will read Quraan and will understand that truth and the foundation of their business will collapse.

Jazakallah! Let us keep Jehad with Quran against all these people. It is the commandament of Allah in Quran that do Jehad with Quran against those
who do not accept it. Jazakallah!

 

[deenobaba]

aaj phir Ulemae Siasat forum nay jannat mein ghur bana liya "by copying and pasting", aaj kuch jews jews bhee chul raha hai, its easy here in the west to practice religion. Namaz ki tou himmat hai nahin mujhe mein 5 times woh bhee office mein (goray ko khush rukhna meray iman ka hassa lugta hai mujhe)....tou from now on i will google search some Islamic material and will post here so that i get a jannat too along with Ulema i siasat forum.

 

[zubair.maalick]

1. The concept that Quran cannot be understood by a common man and only some peer/moulana sahib understand and explain it to us ... is the biggest disaster.

2. Quran is the direct speech of Allah to us, to every human. so, obviously it should be understandable to everyone.

3. If a NonMuslim can accept Islam after reading simple translation of Quran then how come it is possible that Muslim cannot understand it?

4. You are right, some "Scholars" try to interpret it to justify their own ideology. But Solution is very simple ..
a. Learn Arabic with more interest then English
b. Go back to earlier century Scholars

5. After huge disasters, the best things is we still have pure preserved literature.

Thanks

 

[zubair.maalick]

aaj phir Ulemae Siasat forum nay jannat mein ghur bana liya "by copying and pasting", aaj kuch jews jews bhee chul raha hai, its easy here in the west to practice religion. Namaz ki tou himmat hai nahin mujhe mein 5 times woh bhee office mein (goray ko khush rukhna meray iman ka hassa lugta hai mujhe)....tou from now on i will google search some Islamic material and will post here so that i get a jannat too along with Ulema i siasat forum.

Dear bro,
It is not the case with everybody. But yes to some extent you are right.
If it is copy paste, even then it is much better then to discuss worldly things.
Their are many Muslims who establish Salat even in the offices [in west] ..
Dun judge the people with a single eye.

 

[abbasiali]

aaj phir Ulemae Siasat forum nay jannat mein ghur bana liya "by copying and pasting", aaj kuch jews jews bhee chul raha hai, its easy here in the west to practice religion. Namaz ki tou himmat hai nahin mujhe mein 5 times woh bhee office mein (goray ko khush rukhna meray iman ka hassa lugta hai mujhe)....tou from now on i will google search some Islamic material and will post here so that i get a jannat too along with Ulema i siasat forum.

Your remarks are rediculous about praying in presence of Gora loug, it looks you always use these kind of reason to obliege your self, I have worked in organisation like American Express, where they kept room for particular prayer reasons for Muslims, My current organization director was asking me, why we can't organize friday Prayer in office like other days, don't brought up your sick minded views mixed up as representation of Muslims,

 

[babadeena]

aaj phir Ulemae Siasat forum nay jannat mein ghur bana liya "by copying and pasting", aaj kuch jews jews bhee chul raha hai, its easy here in the west to practice religion. Namaz ki tou himmat hai nahin mujhe mein 5 times woh bhee office mein (goray ko khush rukhna meray iman ka hassa lugta hai mujhe)....tou from now on i will google search some Islamic material and will post here so that i get a jannat too along with Ulema i siasat forum.

Dennobaba!
a) you prove from my this thread, where is "copy n paste", the original post is before everyone, you have to prove your accusations.
b) Janat mein ghur bana liay, a very distant possibility, but everyone aspire, Allah jahan saay bachay lay bayshak janat nah daay , this will also
be a big favour.
c) kuch kuch jews, jews, who is doing, you are on wrong thread, jews are human being like anyone they have right to live.
d) For those who wish to practice religion, the place and environment does not matter, correct yourself.
e) Only Allah knows who does namaz and how does, u r nowhere a judge of anything.
f) Go head with copy n paste, that is not style of babadeena,
g) Please do not be sarcastic to everyone, perhaps all are not in the same boat;

 

[deenobaba]

aap Mars ya Jupiter pay job kurtay ho, ya kurtay thay?.....but you have addressed my concern "FRIDAY PRAYER ONLY"????????how about the daily prayers thAT ALTLEASTST I MISS DAILY.. ....??????????second if oyu worked in American Express (if i am not wrong its a credit card company ????????????if not then wats its business is?) if its a credit card kinda thing then you definitely need a prayer room to ask for forgivenss from God for working for them. Aur bhai agur tum jhoot nahin bool rahay tou mera khiyaal hai kay tum just exception kinda example dey rahay hoo..........

 

[deenobaba]

For those who wish to practice religion, the place and environment does not matter, correct yourself. (you are right on most things but big NOOOOO here...........it does matter.

 

[Raaz]

aaj phir Ulemae Siasat forum nay jannat mein ghur bana liya "by copying and pasting", aaj kuch jews jews bhee chul raha hai, its easy here in the west to practice religion. Namaz ki tou himmat hai nahin mujhe mein 5 times woh bhee office mein (goray ko khush rukhna meray iman ka hassa lugta hai mujhe)....tou from now on i will google search some Islamic material and will post here so that i get a jannat too along with Ulema i siasat forum.

U could say Namaz when u have time, U work only 8 hours, 5 days, ...namaz is day and night routine....anyways,
U think u are alone in Canada and stuck here ,

Any way, please let us know what are your efforts to keep happy ' gora Loog' . Drinking after time, going to night clubs with them ????

Our lots of young chaps are stuck in confusions....u r one of them...

U have time to spend on sisat. pk , so u coud say payer in 3 minutes ....if u want, ( sorry, I dont know , u r muslim or not)

 

[atensari]

How much efforts an ordinary Muslims made to understand Quran himself by learning Arabic.

 

[zubair.maalick]

aap Mars ya Jupiter pay job kurtay ho, ya kurtay thay?.....but you have addressed my concern "FRIDAY PRAYER ONLY"????????how about the daily prayers thAT ALTLEASTST I MISS DAILY.. ....??????????second if oyu worked in American Express (if i am not wrong its a credit card company ????????????if not then wats its business is?) if its a credit card kinda thing then you definitely need a prayer room to ask for forgivenss from God for working for them. Aur bhai agur tum jhoot nahin bool rahay tou mera khiyaal hai kay tum just exception kinda example dey rahay hoo..........

I am living in Finland and I can quote you many example of different companies and universities where Muslim workers or Student offer BAJAMAT NUMAZ daily. Some Muslims use to do prohibited acts but also their are many who offer 5 times salat and also are trying their level best to be as good Muslim as possible. If you have a bad experiences then please dun apply to all Ummah.
and yes, Again, I can practice Islam 1000 times better then Pakistan.

If today fastest growing religion is Islam in west, behavior of Muslims is one of the major reason behind that.

 

[zubair.maalick]

One of the best Lecture on importance of learning Arabic. (and Look Nouman Ali Khan is also living in NONMUSLIM country)

 

[atensari]

Should look in you own collar!

 

[abbasiali]

aap Mars ya Jupiter pay job kurtay ho, ya kurtay thay?.....but you have addressed my concern "FRIDAY PRAYER ONLY"????????how about the daily prayers thAT ALTLEASTST I MISS DAILY.. ....??????????second if oyu worked in American Express (if i am not wrong its a credit card company ????????????if not then wats its business is?) if its a credit card kinda thing then you definitely need a prayer room to ask for forgivenss from God for working for them. Aur bhai agur tum jhoot nahin bool rahay tou mera khiyaal hai kay tum just exception kinda example dey rahay hoo..........

I think you have not read my post properly, would you please read it again, you will understand what I had mentioned in addition to other prayer, ofcourse, For your information, American Express company is not only credit card company or bank, just call and check with them for your satisfaction, and then sit and pray for yourself, in fact I shouldn't say pray, because you are scared of praying in Canada. hah what a pitty and sorry.

 

[babadeena]

Folks!
Please let us stay on thread. because there are people on forum who do not wish the other people to understand quran on their own,
but according to their own own. They curse the translations, they underestimate the work of translators, so let us please stay on topic. thanks.

 

[abbasiali]

For those who wish to practice religion, the place and environment does not matter, correct yourself. (you are right on most things but big NOOOOO here...........it does matter.

Your big NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO have no value, you are a coward, who doesn't know how to practice your religion. nice try to misguide, but unfortunately, you are the only person here who tried earlier as well and now again trying same agenda, you better stop this false propaganda other wise doors are open.

 

[zubair.maalick]

Folks!
Please let us stay on thread. because there are people on forum who do not wish the other people to understand quran on their own,
but according to their own own. They curse the translations, they underestimate the work of translators, so let us please stay on topic. thanks.

lolzzz.... Nobody is underestimating the work of Scholars .. infect we should be thankful to them .. if you do not get it .... topic is to realize the importance of understanding Quran.

But yes for a sincerely knowledge seeking Muslim it is an important question whom to read ... not only translation but other literature too

 

[deenobaba]

still confused , you said mr abbasali "Its not only credit card company" but other businesses too???????/so here you go, ...so one of its businesses is CREDIT CARD so the best advise for you is ask for forgiveness this should be the first thing you should do, i am serious no offence...................the stuff that you ate and bought were and are all haram..........if and only if its one of its business is credit card.

 

[babadeena]

lolzzz.... Nobody is underestimating the work of Scholars .. infect we should be thankful to them .. if you do not get it .... topic is to realize the importance of understanding Quran.

But yes for a sincerely knowledge seeking Muslim it is an important question whom to read ... not only translation but other literature too

So what is the best way to understand Quran WITHOUT TRANSLATIONS.

The question was in bold part.
What other literature too? You mean that Quran cannot be understood without other
literature.?