Translations of quran

abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
still confused , you said mr abbasali "Its not only credit card company" but other businesses too???????/so here you go, ...so one of its businesses is CREDIT CARD so the best advise for you is ask for forgiveness this should be the first thing you should do, i am serious no offence...................the stuff that you ate and bought were and are all haram..........if and only if its one of its business is credit card.
Thanks for your Fatwa, all I will again repeat "no serious offence" your whole life is HARAM, because you don't know your self, and your reseach is so poor because what you see, you believe on that, What ever business American Express is doing or the business I was engage with them was none of your business, all you should know, If you need to pray, you can pray under any circumtances, but again coward like you, will only find the way to run away, correct, so don't worry for us, we know how to earn Halal, and how to live our life with religeous Grace, further if you need help let us know, we will love to help you, to learn how to differentiate between Halal and Haram earning, also will teach you how to keep your self represent as Muslim (if you are) and last but not least, how to pray in presence of non muslims, specially those Goras, with whom you are always scared. lol, BTW do you call your self Muslim by any chance?
 

deenobaba

Voter (50+ posts)
American express MEIN TABLEEGH KURTAY HO SHAYAD...........again what you have been doing is absolutely haram. And "DUR OF GORA meana nothing" just let me know where to pray during work hours? how many offices have seperate rooms for prayers.............i am amazed you are not getting what am i saying " Where should we offer our prayer during office hours & how many offices have seperate rooms for prayers"? Lastly no matter how much charity you do to poor people and no matter how good your intention is "You are/were earning ABSOLUTELY HARAM MONEY"
 
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abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
American express MEIN TABLEEGH KURTAY HO SHAYAD...........again what you have been doing is absolutely haram. And "DUR OF GORA meana nothing" just let me know where to pray during work hours? how many offices have seperate rooms for prayers.............i am amazed you are not getting what am i saying " Where should we offer our prayer during office hours & how many offices have seperate rooms for prayers"? Lastly no matter how much charity you do to poor people and no matter how good your intention is "You are/were earning ABSOLUTELY HARAM MONEY"
Hahaha

Absolutely haram, Tableegh, in American Express, hahaha

Nice joke,

You better improve your self, don't bother for others, better announce yourself as coward, who have no courague to resist, so better find your self towards may be in a club or ba or pubr, best suitable for you, happy with your "Goras" tell them you are happy being pretending as non muslim, and calling Muslims their earning Haram, nice way to obliege your so called Gora, hahaha this makes you happy and your bosses, BTW just search or try to be courageous with your Gora bosses and ask then to provide you place for prayer, you will be surprise to see, when they will provide you space for prayer, again coward can't be courageous, I know I am wasting my time, but read my all offers, which I offered you in this regard earlier.
 

deenobaba

Voter (50+ posts)
Again "Where to pray during office hours seconds how many offices have mussalas" , so one solution according to Mr . Abbas Ali in his own word is """ try to be courageous with your Gora bosses and ask then to provide you place for prayer, you will be surprise to see, when they will provide you space for prayer""" are you serious ???? How on earth one can ask a place to his or her Manager a place for Prayer................................ how immature you are. ?? is he there to solve this problem of mine????????? I HAVE A SOLUTION OT THIS " NO SOLUTION" KEEP MISSING PRAYERS

NOW MR ABBAS ALI MY SECOND QUESTION IS " HOW MANY OFFICES HAVE A SEPERATE ROOM FOR PRAYER"?
 

abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
Again "Where to pray during office hours seconds how many offices have mussalas" , so one solution according to Mr . Abbas Ali in his own word is """ try to be courageous with your Gora bosses and ask then to provide you place for prayer, you will be surprise to see, when they will provide you space for prayer""" are you serious ???? How on earth one can ask a place to his or her Manager a place for Prayer................................ how immature you are. ?? is he there to solve this problem of mine????????? I HAVE A SOLUTION OT THIS " NO SOLUTION" KEEP MISSING PRAYERS

NOW MR ABBAS ALI MY SECOND QUESTION IS " HOW MANY OFFICES HAVE A SEPARATE ROOM FOR PRAYER"?
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Have you tried in your office to pray at prayer time? have you? do u work in one room shop? better behave like mature, so far you trying to argue good for nothing, confess, you had been overlooking your prayers, assuming everybody had been doing same, feeling sorry for you, keep trying MR DEENOBABA, again my offer is still valid, if you need any help, please feel free to ask, don't be shy, doors of repentance are always open.

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So funny question how many offices have Mussallas, you have to keep for your self, its you, who have to pray, so this is your duty to keep your own musslla, be mature. don't behave like child.:)
 

deenobaba

Voter (50+ posts)
@Mr Abbass ali

Discussion Closed
Result: its just easy to pray here I was making lame excuses, its easy to offer 5 times prayer during office in Canada then backhome.
Case Closed
PROBLEM SOLVED
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
Quran has been translated by immense people since it revelation and still the process is going on. The question is that some moulvi's are bitter against the translations. Should these translations should be discarded altogether and then what is the way to understand Quran. Specially when Quran is in Arabic Language and this language is not the mother language of all mankind. The Quran is for all mankind and this mankind should do what, for example:

a) Only read the Quran for the sake of reading in "rote concept" and "swab theory"
b) Only listen in a melodious voices and move the head like snake moves in front of Bean
and bansari;
c) Only put it high in a niche a the upper part of outer door and should come and go
under it and think that it will save from all ills.

d) Only marry the unfortunate girls with it (Believe me in Pakistan, in villages there is t tendency to attribute that lady who could not marry that she is married to Quran)

e) Only read it when somebody died and attribute the finishing sawab to the deceased; that he will get ten rewards for every word read albeit he used to be different people in his life time.

f) Force the people to first read millions type of other books/material/tajwaheed/tafsirs/taweels and they should offer garlands and gifts to moulvis before touching Quran;

g) Closed the eyes and accept what had been written by others and accept that as final words.

So what is the best way to understand Quran WITHOUT TRANSLATIONS. Let the worthy
commentators should give their input how best the Quran should be understood, if it is
needed to be understood at all. Is there any contributions of 'Translations" or those are just for the shake of it?
Thanks.

babadeena
You have raised a very interesting question. I would say the following for whatever it is worth.

Unfortunately people like you and I, who don't understand Arabic, have to rely on translations to understand Quran. The disadvantage of learning Quran through translation is that the translations are just as good as the knowledge of arabic language of the person translating Quran. Best way to overcome this is to read more than one translations. If you really want to understand Quran I would recommend tafseer by Ibn Kathir and transliteration by Dr Israr Ahmed'

http://tanzeem.org/broadcast/audio/urdu/darsequran.asp

Start with Dr Israr's Bayan Ul Quran then build you knowledge on it.




@Mr Abbass ali

Discussion Closed
Result: its just easy to pray here I was making lame excuses, its easy to offer 5 times prayer during office in Canada then backhome.
Case Closed
PROBLEM SOLVED

deenobaba
You have closed the discussion, but if you are still looking for some answers, then let me say that I understand how you feel about praying in front of non muslims, specially not knowing how they would react under current situation when there is so much hatred for muslims. If I were in your place I would talk to my boss and explain to him my situation and ask him what would he suggest? I can assure you he will find a solution for you.
 

deenobaba

Voter (50+ posts)
babadeena
You have raised a very interesting question. I would say the following for whatever it is worth.

Unfortunately people like you and I, who don't understand Arabic, have to rely on translations to understand Quran. The disadvantage of learning Quran through translation is that the translations are just as good as the knowledge of arabic language of the person translating Quran. Best way to overcome this is to read more than one translations. If you really want to understand Quran I would recommend tafseer by Ibn Kathir and transliteration by Dr Israr Ahmed'



http://tanzeem.org/broadcast/audio/urdu/darsequran.asp

Start with Dr Israr's Bayan Ul Quran then build you knowledge on it.






deenobaba
You have closed the discussion, but if you are still looking for some answers, then let me say that I understand how you feel about praying in front of non muslims, specially not knowing how they would react under current situation when there is so much hatred for muslims. If I were in your place I would talk to my boss and explain to him my situation and ask him what would he suggest? I can assure you he will find a solution for you.

Thanks A.Ali.T, I will give it a try, I am happy that you know that its damn difficult here
 

deenobaba

Voter (50+ posts)
Finally its a proven fact that we need Alim to understand Quran not just translations because many fitnas arises from self reading and thinking that we understood all, if my memeory is not decieving me fitna qadyaniat is the best example of it (i am saying my memory because i used ot attend khutba of very mustanid alim in khi and he discussed thst issue in detail). We need a teacher to understand it not just accurate translation.
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ہاں وسعت زنجیر تک آزاد ہوں میں ___Translations of quran

Translations of quran


Quran has been translated by immense people since it revelation and still the process is going on. The question is that some moulvi's are bitter against the translations. Should these translations should be discarded altogether and then what is the way to understand Quran. Specially when Quran is in Arabic Language and this language is not the mother language of all mankind. The Quran is for all mankind and this mankind should do what, for example:

a) Only read the Quran for the sake of reading in "rote concept" and "swab theory"
b) Only listen in a melodious voices and move the head like snake moves in front of Bean
and bansari;
c) Only put it high in a niche a the upper part of outer door and should come and go
under it and think that it will save from all ills.

d) Only marry the unfortunate girls with it (Believe me in Pakistan, in villages there is t tendency to attribute that lady who could not marry that she is married to Quran)

e) Only read it when somebody died and attribute the finishing sawab to the deceased; that he will get ten rewards for every word read albeit he used to be different people in his life time.

f) Force the people to first read millions type of other books/material/tajwaheed/tafsirs/taweels and they should offer garlands and gifts to moulvis before touching Quran;

g) Closed the eyes and accept what had been written by others and accept that as final words.

So what is the best way to understand Quran WITHOUT TRANSLATIONS. Let the worthy
commentators should give their input how best the Quran should be understood, if it is
needed to be understood at all. Is there any contributions of 'Translations" or those are just for the shake of it?
Thanks.
literature.?

Dear Babadeena!
You have raised a burning question. It is our distance from Qura'an which has brought us to this pass. We people have drawn a line between Deen and Dunyia. And has selected the pleasures of this life for us, and the Mussalah for the molvi. So the molvi has become the custodian of the Deen and drives us like his flock with stick like a christian pastor does to Christians. This what Christians have done and have succeeded in engraving this in our minds. It is a big success of their propaga-nda. While in Islam Deen and Duniya are tightly integrated from cradle to grave with certain limitations defined by Allah (SWT). In the words of a poet:

محتار! مگر اپنی حدوں میں قید
ہاں وسعت زنجیر تک آزاد ہوں میں

How to learn Qura'an?


If it would have been possible to learn Qura'an without teacher, Allah (SWT) would have known it much better than us and have never sent The Seal of the Prophetspbuh as a living Qura'an.

And then;

He (SWT) HIMSELF says that Qura'an has been made so easir, will you not learn it? Yes. It has been made easy to learn for a common man, and made even easier through the Ulaamaa-e-Haq who are the "Warseen" of the Prophetpbuh and his followers.

You have both the options mentioned above. Take the tafseer of any Aalim of your choice and benefit from it, and if Allah (SWT) has special special blessing on you then learn Arabic. Direct learning from Qura'an (but after having sound knowledge from the Ulaamaa-e-Haq's tafseer) is an experience which only the person who have it knows. Words cannot render that experience.

Here are some references if you please:


  1. Tafaseer in .mp3 audio format by Maulana Moudoodi, Dr. Israr, Ahmad, and Maulana Abdullah Saleem at this web presence http://www.quranurdu.com . The beauty of the Tafseer by Moudoodi is that tafseer of every raku is in a separate .mp3 high quality audio.
  2. You can download the authentic Ahadees collections like Sahih Bukhari Shareef, Muslim Shareef, Mishqath, Musnad Imam Azam in .mp3 format from http://www.quranexplorer.com
  3. If one have some knowledge of English grammar, then one of the best options for learning Arabic language is http://www.lqtoronto.com/ . Here you can download free of cost video lecture DVDs by Dr. Abdur Rahim.
The moral is:
"Where there is will, there is a way"

Allah has left us with no excuse regarding the understanding of Qura'an. There is no escape for the believers.




 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
still confused , you said mr abbasali "Its not only credit card company" but other businesses too???????/so here you go, ...so one of its businesses is CREDIT CARD so the best advise for you is ask for forgiveness this should be the first thing you should do, i am serious no offence...................the stuff that you ate and bought were and are all haram..........if and only if its one of its business is credit card.

My Allah give Hidayat to this Al-Qadri group. Usually they have no solid and logical answer to the critism on their non-Islamic believes. Their only usual response is using bad language and personal attacks.
 

zubair.maalick

MPA (400+ posts)
The question was in bold part.
What other literature too? You mean that Quran cannot be understood without other
literature.?

Other literature means .. to study History, philosophy, theology, comparative religion, fiqh etc etc ... but yes.. Quran is First .. I havn't said that Quran cannot be understood without literature.. Quran is very easy to be understood by any human being .. read my earlier posts dude !!
 

Hazik

MPA (400+ posts)
no body is willing to sacrifice his time and wealth to understand and be successful, every one is taking it on easy.....brothers its not that easy...
we very easily convince ourselves that what ever we r doing is right....but every success requires hardworking love and dedication.....
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Unfortunately people like you and I, who don't understand Arabic, have to rely on translations to understand Quran. The disadvantage of learning Quran through translation is that the translations are just as good as the knowledge of arabic language of the person translating Quran. Best way to overcome this is to read more than one translations.


Yes I agree to this that best way to learn quran is:
a) learn how read quran in Arabic; then
b) try to understand each and every word of it with the help of multi-translations;
Quran will be understood very well and the difference of translations will also be surfacing
automatically.

If you really want to understand Quran I would recommend tafseer by Ibn Kathir and transliteration by Dr Israr Ahmed'
The role of "Tafsirs and Commentaries" is, at the moment, not included. The emphasis is whether Quran can be understood, with the help of multi-translations only.

no body is willing to sacrifice his time and wealth to understand and be successful, every one is taking it on easy.....brothers its not that easy...
we very easily convince ourselves that what ever we r doing is right....but every success requires hardworking love and dedication....
This is one of the best and logical reply, on the thread. You have pointed out very well,
what is the main cause. We are in the habit of getting everything "ready-made".

Other literature means .. to study History, philosophy, theology, comparative religion, fiqh etc etc ... but yes.. Quran is First .. I havn't said that Quran cannot be understood without literature.. Quran is very easy to be understood by any human being
Absolutely. No doubt in it. The study of Quran should be given the same level of importance what we give to other subjects, like economic, finance, computer, literature, etc. etc. and should learn it with the same zeal and effort as we put into for these other subjects. Absolutely Agreed.

If it would have been possible to learn Qura'an without teacher, Allah (SWT) would have known it much better than us and have never sent The Seal of the Prophetspbuh as a living Qura'an.
Neither it is in the subject, nor anyone questions the role of "Messenger". After all Allah has to nominate someone to hand over the book and make it to understand for the people. I do not know why you, have injected this idea into this thread like Moulvi Taqi Usmani. The question is entirely different.
And then;

He (SWT) HIMSELF says that Qura'an has been made so easir, will you not learn it? Yes. It has been made easy to learn for a common man, and made even easier through the Ulaamaa-e-Haq who are the "Warseen" of the Prophetpbuh and his followers
Brother again we are taking into account "Translations of Quran".

So, till now, consensus is being built upon that Quran can be understood with the help of
multi-translations.
 

khalid100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Finally its a proven fact that we need Alim to understand Quran not just translations because many fitnas arises from self reading and thinking that we understood all, if my memeory is not decieving me fitna qadyaniat is the best example of it (i am saying my memory because i used ot attend khutba of very mustanid alim in khi and he discussed thst issue in detail). We need a teacher to understand it not just accurate translation.

If that is the case then what is the difference in going to an Aalim and getting his version of translation or reading another translation/tafseer.
Beauty of Quran is that if you want to learn it as a layman, it will guide you. If you want to read it as a scholar it will guide you. If you want to read it as a student it will guide you.
All you need is sincere intention and effort.
What church did was similar kind of thing. It was not allowed to read the bible for ordinary people. It was only clergy or similar elites of the church who were allowed to go near the bible. Hence the religious mafia were free to interpret bible in whatever way they wanted.
Same is the situation we are facing. We are not encouraged to learn Arabic to understand it and only encouraged to read Quran on certain occasions, mostly if someone is dead. What a shame that we don't read/act on Quran when we are alive and read it when someone is dead.
Are we not disgracing the word of God in this manner?
Anyway coming to the main topic, no doubt teachers are important but if you make a sincere effort Quran is easy to understand.

Also thanx for posting this interesting topic.
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
If that is the case then what is the difference in going to an Aalim and getting his version of translation or reading another translation/tafseer.
Beauty of Quran is that if you want to learn it as a layman, it will guide you. If you want to read it as a scholar it will guide you. If you want to read it as a student it will guide you.
All you need is sincere intention and effort.
What church did was similar kind of thing. It was not allowed to read the bible for ordinary people. It was only clergy or similar elites of the church who were allowed to go near the bible. Hence the religious mafia were free to interpret bible in whatever way they wanted.
Same is the situation we are facing. We are not encouraged to learn Arabic to understand it and only encouraged to read Quran on certain occasions, mostly if someone is dead. What a shame that we don't read/act on Quran when we are alive and read it when someone is dead.
Are we not disgracing the word of God in this manner?
Anyway coming to the main topic, no doubt teachers are important but if you make a sincere effort Quran is easy to understand.

Also thanx for posting this interesting topic.
I agree with you.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
If that is the case then what is the difference in going to an Aalim and getting his version of translation or reading another translation/tafseer.
Beauty of Quran is that if you want to learn it as a layman, it will guide you. If you want to read it as a scholar it will guide you. If you want to read it as a student it will guide you.
All you need is sincere intention and effort.
What church did was similar kind of thing. It was not allowed to read the bible for ordinary people. It was only clergy or similar elites of the church who were allowed to go near the bible. Hence the religious mafia were free to interpret bible in whatever way they wanted.
Same is the situation we are facing. We are not encouraged to learn Arabic to understand it and only encouraged to read Quran on certain occasions, mostly if someone is dead. What a shame that we don't read/act on Quran when we are alive and read it when someone is dead.
Are we not disgracing the word of God in this manner?
Anyway coming to the main topic, no doubt teachers are important but if you make a sincere effort Quran is easy to understand.

Also thanx for posting this interesting topic.

I agree to it. But who and how should tell the fanatics who bitterly oppose such an
approach by immediately starting:
i) to emphasise the role of Messenger,
ii) to make a vehement point that unless you read all Hadiths, Commentaries, Tafsirs,
Rawayat, and then stick to some Moulvi of the present age, how you dare to think of Quran.
Once someone has the intention, effort and persistence, the Noor-ul-Huda automatically
comes to your heart and in understanding. Then goodbye to all man made theories, sects,
differences, past personalities worshiping, peers, faqirs etc etc. etc. Quran pours into the
heart of its followers the Noor of Wahidniyat of Allah, then the reader does not call anyone,
does not pray to anyone, does not make any dua through anyone, EXCEPT DIRECTLY TOWARDS ALLAH, and that is not acceptable to many.
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
The role of "Tafsirs and Commentaries" is, at the moment, not included. The emphasis is whether Quran can be understood, with the help of multi-translations only.


babadeena
The answer is yes.... Yes you can learn Quran by reading translations, but if you want to acquire in depth knowledge then you would have to read tafseers, ahadith and then learn from ulemas.
 
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