Understanding blasphemy under quran---- must read

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Dear Brothers
Asalam-a-Alakum

BLASPHEMY.....Yes it's the hottest topic these days. If you see TV shows these days, Ullama(educated and uneducated) are arguing with each other on the issue and self proclaimed Ayatollah’s are arguing on this site with copy pasting the book pages. Everyone tries to prove the other wrong.
Let me admit that I am no Ayatollah or Alim but like to read and research on issues. After listening to so many shows, reading about the case of Asya Messiah and Murder of Governor Salman Taseer, I decided to research this issue and offer my opinion to my friends. You don't have to agree with me, all I ask you to do is to think...thatz all.


Blasphemy has a wide meaning in all religions. Blasphemy is the use of disrespectful word or actions towards holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs. The Abrahamic religions like Christianity, Judaism and Islam condemn blasphemy vehemently.

Blasphemy is of two basic types:


1) Against Allah
2) Against Prophet

I will now discuss these in details for my readers but only reply on Quran and known Islamic historical facts.

Pakistan is a very religion sensitive country. Its very hard for us to make a Christian a Muslim but we are expert in making a Muslim infidel. Any Muslim faith of Islam that we don't agree with is named as Kafir.

Forget about blasphemy against Allah and his prophets, even if someone says anything about Sahaba, Faqui, Peer or Molvi, we are just so ready to KILL KILL KILL.
Have you ever wonder what might be the reason. I have few. Uneducated public and uneducated Ullamah have destroyed our religion and faith and have command over our lives to have anyone killed by saying he is Kafir( without evidence or with unreliable hadith) and guess who gave them this power...WE DID.

WE all agree that Islam is a religion of peace. It came to Arabia to stop the barbaric lifestyle of Arabs who will kill each other over a fight over a camel or water. The purpose was to educate them and to spread the light of Allah from there to the rest of the world.

Blasphemy against ALLAH: Since the creation of man up until now people have been blasphemer against Allah. Starting for Shatan who didn't agree with the command of Allah to bow down to Adam, Pharoun who proclaimed to be God, Namrood who claim to be All Mighty, billion plus Christians who believe Allah is a fake entity and True God is Jesus( the father, the son and the holy Ghost also know as trinity) 1 billion plus hindu's who disrespect Allah and 3 Billion atheist who don't believe in any God, Jesus or Ram and call them imaginary fragmentation of a coocoo brain.


Should we take a nuke and kill 60% of the world population because they are blasphemers?

Do you think Allah is not capable to give them what they deserve in the world and thereafter(dishonor in the world and hell thereafter) or you believe He needs your 2 arms and a shot gun to kill them?

Surah Al Baqra 2:284 Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and whether you manifest what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will call you to account according to it; then He will forgive whom He pleases and chastise whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things.

BLASPHEMY AGAINST PROPHET:

Since Allah's prophet is Rahmaat ul Alameen, he can never say to kill someone who says any think against me. Since the beginning of Islam, people use to call the Holy Prophet a shair( a poet) a magician, fake prophet, Majnoon (Cocoo Guy) but he never instructed any one to Kill them. He stayed on his mission to spread Islam.
We have many stories in Islam showing us what Holy Prophet Hazarat Muhammad (PBUH) did. When a lady threw garbage, he prayed for her and went to her house to service her needs when she was sick. She converted to Islam. What if he would have killed her for blasphemy? What if he killed everyone who said him shair, magician or majnoon, there will be no Muslim or Islam. Our beloved prophet changed blasphemers with his character.

Quran ul Haqeem doesn't have a single verse in which Allah said “Kill anyone who commits blasphemy against me and my prophet's or my angles." There is not a single authentic hadith which shows prophet told Sahaba to kill anyone who says anything against me. Just few made up Rawaats…Trust me he could have never said to kill someone for blasphemy against him because it would come under personal revenge and non Muslims would have argued that Muhammad (PBUH) revenged his enemies by getting them killed for his personal reasons.

We have another example of Hazarat Ali, who let a man return from battlefield to come back again because he spit on his face while fighting with him in a war. Ali said: I will not kill you now because my Zulifkaar kills only in the way of Allah and I don't want people to think I killed you for personal revenge.

Islam is a religion of peace, forgiveness and repentance. This should not be taken as that it allows people to break the law. Blood for blood, hand for hand, eye for eye is the law however forgiveness after repentance is better.

The ONLY 2 incident where murder or killing a human is allowed is in the case of a murder of an innocent man or mischief against Allah and his messenger. Even in those 2 cases exceptions are available.

Murder of an innocent Life:
"Take not life , which God has made sacred, except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you, so that you may learn wisdom" (6:151).

"...If anyone kills a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all people. And if anyone saves a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people" (Qur'an 5:32).

"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder:the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:178)"

WAR and MISCHEIF Against ALLAH and HIS Prophet

The Qur'an speaks of punishment in relation only to those who make war and mischief in opposition to God and Muhammad:

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
(—Qur'an, sura 5: 33 Al-Maida)

Here you can note that Allah (the most merciful) has given exception in both cases. For murder, Qasis (blood money) and for mischief exile from land.

ISSUE OF BLASPHEMY AND WHAT NOBLE QURAN TEACHES US:

If as a Muslim, The noble Quran is the right way (SARAT-UL-MUSTIKEEM) then we should have confidence that Allah must have addressed this issue in The Holy Quran. In deed The Noble Quran teaches us with examples how to deal with blasphemy.

"when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell: (Quran Surah 4:140)

"Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant." Quran Surah 7:199

"...but indeed they uttered blasphemy,...If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them..."( Quran 9:74)

"For Allah is with those who restrain themselves,..."(Quran 16:128)

"Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy."Quran 20:130

"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant( Muhammad), then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.(Quran 2:23)

"And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";(Surah 25:63)

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant.(Surah 28:55)

"And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity)."(Surah 73:10)

"Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting."(Quran50:39)

Mocked were (many) Messengers before thee; but the scoffers were hemmed in by the thing that they mocked.” (Surah Al-An’aam 6:10).

Do you see what Allah the most merciful says to us through Quran. Let me sum it up for you.

Simply said, Don't sit with the blasphemers, turn away from the ignorant, restrain yourself, be patient with what they say, when ignorant address you, say PEACE and move away, don't hear vein talk and go away, be patient with what they say and leave with dignity, bear them with patience, all that they say.

NOWHERE in Quran Allah says to kill them. Why because there is a day of judgment and people will bad deeds with have thier share for what they have done and said. Allah is all knowing.

Murder of anyone can never be justified for blasphemy. It can be only justified in extreme circumstances of murder of an innocent for justice and law and in self defense in a war where people wage war of Allah and His Messenger and even in those cases exceptions are available.

Now the question is why Ullama and Ayatullah of all sects of Islam agree on the death of a blasphemer? Example of that will be Fatwa of Ayatullah Kohmeni against Salman Rushidi and killing of a Hindu by Ghazi Elim deen in India?

Before I answer that, do you really think that these 2 people are the only one in last 1400 years who committed blasphemy?

The answer is 2 parts.

Firstly, contrary to what the nobel Quran teaches, in my opinion, humans have made interpretation to justify their actions. In thier mind, the easiest way to protect Allah and the Prophet from blasphemers is by coming up with a law to kill those who commit blasphemy. Contrary to noble Quran and its teaching, the have found a loophole. It is there understanding that anyone who is blasphemer is MURTUD (out of Islam) and anyone who leaves Islam is Justified to be killed.

Secondly, in their mind, it allows them to feel that they are the protectors of Quran, Allah, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Islam. Surely they are mistaken. Allah is the only protector of all of us and Islam.

We all agree that if you commit a crime against the right of Allah, only HE can punish or forgive. Similarly, if someone violates the rights of human, we must seek forgiveness for him or her.

These extremist elements believe that In the case of an insult to Muhammad, the Muslim community is considered to be under an obligation to avenge the insult because the possibility of forgiveness expired upon the death of Muhammad so themselves being the ummah, it gives them a right to KILL a blasphemer on behalf of our holy prophet Muhammad(PBUH).

Is there any Ayat from Quran or Hadith giving us a right to avenge for Muhammad (PBUH) NO.... but we think we have a right.
I think killing is not a solution but building our character is the key. If we become a true Muslim and a True MOMEEN where others non Muslims can see us and say: let's give our assets to this Muslim for safe keeping because he is ameen and trustworthy, no one will dare to commit blasphemy.

I blame these Ullama for our short fall. Think there are 52 weeks in a year. 52 Juma Prayers, 30 days of Ramadan, 2 Eid Sermons... 82 days in a year we listen to these people but we are still characterless nation. A child from age 10 to 25 have listen to 1230 sermons but still commits, murder, adultery, bribery, stealing, robbery and so on... tells us someone is not doing his job.

Note: With this hope that Allah will guide us all, please consider this just an opinion. You can agree or disagree with it but don't name me or judge me because of my research.
:jazak:
 
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molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Understanding blasphemy under quran

PLEASE MODERATOR...LEAVE THIS AS A THREAD...THANKS

Yes it's the hottest topic these days. If you see TV shows these days, Ullama(educated and uneducated) are arguing with each other on the issue and self proclaimed Ayatollah’s are arguing on this site with copy pasting the book pages. Everyone tries to prove the other wrong.
Let me admit that I am no Ayatollah or Alim but like to read and research on issues. After listening to so many shows, reading about the case of Asya Messiah and Murder of Governor Salman Taseer, I decided to research this issue and offer my opinion to my friends. You don't have to agree with me, all I ask you to do is to think...thatz all.

Blasphemy has a wide meaning in all religions. Blasphemy is defined as use of disrespectful word or actions towards holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs. The Abrahamic religions like Christianity, Judaism and Islam condemn blasphemy vehemently.

Blasphemy is of two basic types:

1) Against Allah
2) Against Prophet

I will now discuss these in details for my readers but only reference from Quran.

Pakistan is a very religion sensitive country. We are a hyper nation when it comes to our faith. We are least factual but more emotional. Its very hard for us to convert a Christian to Muslim but we are expert in making a Muslim infidel. Any Muslim faith of Islam that we don't agree with is named as Kafir.Forget about blasphemy against Allah and his prophets, even if someone says anything about Sahaba, Faqui, Peer or Molvi, we are just so ready to KILL KILL KILL.

Have you ever wonder what might be the reason. I have few. Uneducated public and uneducated Ullamah have destroyed our religion and faith and have command over our lives to have anyone killed by saying he is Kafir( without evidence or with unreliable hadith) and guess who gave them this power...WE DID.

WE all agree that Islam is a religion of peace. It came to Arabia to stop the barbaric lifestyle of Arabs who will kill each other over a fight over a camel or water. The purpose was to educate them and to spread the light of Allah from there to the rest of the world.

Blasphemy against ALLAH: Since the creation of man up until now people have been blasphemer against Allah. Starting for Shatan who didn't agree with the command of Allah to bow down to Adam, Pharoun who proclaimed to be God, Namrood who claim to be All Mighty, billion plus Christians who believe Allah is a fake entity and True God is Jesus( the father, the son and the holy Ghost also know as trinity) 1 billion plus hindu's who disrespect Allah and 3 Billion atheist who don't believe in any God, Jesus or Ram and call them imaginary fragmentation of a coocoo brain.

Should we take a nuke and kill 60% of the world population because they are blasphemers?

Do you think Allah is not capable to give them what they deserve in the world and thereafter(hell) or he needs your 2 arms and a shot gun to kill them?

Surah Al Baqra 2:284 Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and whether you manifest what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will call you to account according to it; then He will forgive whom He pleases and chastise whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things.

BLASPHEMY AGAINST PROPHET:

Since Allah's prophet is Rahmaat ul Alameen, he can never say to kill someone who says any think against me. Since the beginning of Islam, people use to call the Holy Prophet a shair( a poet) a magician, fake prophet, Majnoon (Cocoo Guy) but he never instructed any one to Kill them. He stayed on his mission to spread Islam.
All the prophets in their lives were mocked, named and stoned in history. We have many stories in Islam showing us what Holy Prophet Hazarat Muhammad (PBUH) did. When a lady threw garbage, he prayed for her and went to her house to service her needs when she was sick. She converted to Islam. What if he would have killed her for blasphemy? What if he killed everyone who said him shair, magician or majnoon, there will be no Muslim or Islam. Our beloved prophet changed blasphemers with his character.

Quran ul Haqeem doesn't have a single verse in which Allah said “Kill anyone who commits blasphemy against me and my prophet's or my angles." There is not a single authentic hadith which shows prophet told Sahaba to kill anyone who says anything against me. Just few made up Rawaats…
Trust me he could have never said to kill someone for blasphemy against him because it would come under personal revenge and non Muslims would have argued that Muhammad (PBUH) revenged his enemies by getting them killed for his personal reasons.

We have another example of Hazarat Ali, who let a man return from battlefield to come back again because he spit on his face while fighting with him in a war. Ali said: I will not kill you now because my Zulifkaar kills only in the way of Allah and I don't want people to think I killed you for personal revenge.
Islam is a religion of peace, forgiveness and repentance. This should not be taken as that it allows people to break the law. Blood for blood, hand for hand, eye for eye is the law however forgiveness after repentance is better.

The ONLY 2 incident where murder or killing a human is allowed is in the case of a murder of an innocent man or mischief against Allah and his messenger. Even in those 2 cases exceptions are available.

Murder of an innocent Life:

"Take not life , which God has made sacred, except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you, so that you may learn wisdom" (6:151).
"
...If anyone kills a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all people. And if anyone saves a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people" (Qur'an 5:32).

"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder:the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:178)"

WAR and MISCHEIF Against ALLAH and HIS Prophet

The Qur'an speaks of punishment in relation only to those who make war and mischief in opposition to God and Muhammad:
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
(—Qur'an, sura 5: 33 Al-Maida)

Here you can note that Allah (the most merciful) has given exception in both cases. For murder, Qasis (blood money) and for mischief exile from land.

ISSUE OF BLASPHEMY AND WHAT NOBLE QURAN TEACHES US:

If as a Muslim, The noble Quran is the right way (SARAT-UL-MUSTIKEEM)then we should have confidence that Allah must have addressed this issue in The Holy Quran. In deed The Noble Quran teaches us with examples how to deal with blasphemy.

"when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell: (Quran Surah 4:140)

"Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant." Quran Surah 7:199

"...but indeed they uttered blasphemy,...If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them..."( Quran 9:74)

"For Allah is with those who restrain themselves,..."(Quran 16:128)

"Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy."Quran 20:130

"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant( Muhammad), then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.(Quran 2:23)

"And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";(Surah 25:63)

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant.(Surah 28:55)

"And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity)."(Surah 73:10)

"Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting."(Quran50:39)

Mocked were (many) Messengers before thee; but the scoffers were hemmed in by the thing that they mocked.” (Surah Al-An’aam 6:10).

Do you see what Allah the most merciful says to us through Quran. Let me sum it up for you.

Don't sit with the blasphemers, turn away from the ignorant, restrain yourself, be patient with what they say, when ignorant address you, say PEACE and move away, don't hear vein talk and go away, be patient with what they say and leave with dignity, bear them with patience, all that they say.

NOWHERE in Quran Allah says to kill them. Why because there is a day of judgment and people will bad deeds with have thier share for what they have done and said. Allah is all knowing.

Murder of anyone can never be justified for blasphemy. It can be only justified in extreme circumstances of murder of an innocent for justice and law and in self defense in a war where people wage war of Allah and His Messenger and even in those cases exceptions are available.
Now the question is why Ullama and Ayatullah of all sects of Islam agree on the death of a blasphemer? Example of that will be Fatwa of Ayatullah Kohmeni against Salman Rushidi and killing of a Hindu by Ghazi Elim deen in India? Before I answer that, do you really think that these 2 people are the only one in last 1400 years who committed blasphemy?

The answer is 2 parts.

Firstly, Contrary to what the nobel Quran teaches, in my opinion, humans have made interpretation to justify their actions. In thier mind, the easiest way to protect Allah and the Prophet from blasphemers is by coming up with a law to kill those who commit blasphemy. Contrary to noble Quran and its teaching, the have found a loophole. It is there understanding that anyone who is blasphemer is MURTUD (out of Islam) and anyone who leaves Islam is Justified to be killed.
Secondly, in their mind, it allows them to feel that they are the protectors of Quran, Allah, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Islam. Surely they are mistaken. Allah is the only protector of all of us and Islam.
We all agree that if you commit a crime against the right of Allah, only HE can punish or forgive. Similarly, if someone violates the rights of human, we must seek forgiveness for him or her.These extremist elements believe that In the case of an insult to Muhammad, the Muslim community is considered to be under an obligation to avenge the insult because the possibility of forgiveness expired upon the death of Muhammad so themselves being the ummah, it gives them a right to KILL a blasphemer on behalf of our holy prophet Muhammad(PBUH).

Is there any Ayat from Quran or Hadith giving us a right to avenge for Muhammad (PBUH) NO.... but we think we have a right.
I think killing is not a solution but building our character is the key. If we become a true Muslim and a True MOMEEN where others non Muslims can see us and say: let's give our assets to this Muslim for safe keeping because he is ameen and trustworthy, no one will dare to commit blasphemy.

I blame these Ullama for our short fall. Think there are 52 weeks in a year. 52 Juma Prayers, 30 days of Ramadan, 2 Eid Sermons... 82 days in a year we listen to these people but we are still characterless nation. A child from age 10 to 25 have listen to 1230 sermons but still commits, murder, adultery, bribery, stealing, robbery and so on... tells us someone is not doing his job.

We are living in an century where Islam is the fastest growing religion on this planet. When we offer Islam few will listen and few will say bad things about Allah and the Prophet. Should we kill them or convince them with good teachings, love and peace that Islam is a true religion. Can we tell an non muslim to convert to Islam while telling him to think carefully, if after acception he reverts, we will come and kill him... Do you think he will really accept Islam to tell you the get the hell out of his house and preach this barbaric religion elsewhere. JUST THINK.

Note: With this hope that Allah will guide us all, please consider this just an opinion. You can agree or disagree with it but don't name me or judge me because of my research.
 
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molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Blasphemy in the light of quran

Understanding blasphemy under quran

PLEASE MODERATOR...LEAVE THIS AS A THREAD...THANKS

Yes it's the hottest topic these days. If you see TV shows these days, Ullama(educated and uneducated) are arguing with each other on the issue and self proclaimed Ayatollahs are arguing on this site with copy pasting the book pages. Everyone tries to prove the other wrong.
Let me admit that I am no Ayatollah or Alim but like to read and research on issues. After listening to so many shows, reading about the case of Asya Messiah and Murder of Governor Salman Taseer, I decided to research this issue and offer my opinion to my friends. You don't have to agree with me, all I ask you to do is to think...thatz all.

Blasphemy has a wide meaning in all religions. Blasphemy is defined as use of disrespectful word or actions towards holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs. The Abrahamic religions like Christianity, Judaism and Islam condemn blasphemy vehemently.

Blasphemy is of two basic types:

1) Against Allah
2) Against Prophet

I will now discuss these in details for my readers but only reference from Quran.

Pakistan is a very religion sensitive country. We are a hyper nation when it comes to our faith. We are least factual but more emotional. Its very hard for us to convert a Christian to Muslim but we are expert in making a Muslim infidel. Any Muslim faith of Islam that we don't agree with is named as Kafir.Forget about blasphemy against Allah and his prophets, even if someone says anything about Sahaba, Faqui, Peer or Molvi, we are just so ready to KILL KILL KILL.

Have you ever wonder what might be the reason. I have few. Uneducated public and uneducated Ullamah have destroyed our religion and faith and have command over our lives to have anyone killed by saying he is Kafir( without evidence or with unreliable hadith) and guess who gave them this power...WE DID.

WE all agree that Islam is a religion of peace. It came to Arabia to stop the barbaric lifestyle of Arabs who will kill each other over a fight over a camel or water. The purpose was to educate them and to spread the light of Allah from there to the rest of the world.

Blasphemy against ALLAH: Since the creation of man up until now people have been blasphemer against Allah. Starting for Shatan who didn't agree with the command of Allah to bow down to Adam, Pharoun who proclaimed to be God, Namrood who claim to be All Mighty, billion plus Christians who believe Allah is a fake entity and True God is Jesus( the father, the son and the holy Ghost also know as trinity) 1 billion plus hindu's who disrespect Allah and 3 Billion atheist who don't believe in any God, Jesus or Ram and call them imaginary fragmentation of a coocoo brain.

Should we take a nuke and kill 60% of the world population because they are blasphemers?

Do you think Allah is not capable to give them what they deserve in the world and thereafter(hell) or he needs your 2 arms and a shot gun to kill them?

Surah Al Baqra 2:284 Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and whether you manifest what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will call you to account according to it; then He will forgive whom He pleases and chastise whom He pleases, and Allah has power over all things.

BLASPHEMY AGAINST PROPHET:

Since Allah's prophet is Rahmaat ul Alameen, he can never say to kill someone who says any think against me. Since the beginning of Islam, people use to call the Holy Prophet a shair( a poet) a magician, fake prophet, Majnoon (Cocoo Guy) but he never instructed any one to Kill them. He stayed on his mission to spread Islam.
All the prophets in their lives were mocked, named and stoned in history. We have many stories in Islam showing us what Holy Prophet Hazarat Muhammad (PBUH) did. When a lady threw garbage, he prayed for her and went to her house to service her needs when she was sick. She converted to Islam. What if he would have killed her for blasphemy? What if he killed everyone who said him shair, magician or majnoon, there will be no Muslim or Islam. Our beloved prophet changed blasphemers with his character.

Quran ul Haqeem doesn't have a single verse in which Allah said Kill anyone who commits blasphemy against me and my prophet's or my angles." There is not a single authentic hadith which shows prophet told Sahaba to kill anyone who says anything against me. Just few made up Rawaats
Trust me he could have never said to kill someone for blasphemy against him because it would come under personal revenge and non Muslims would have argued that Muhammad (PBUH) revenged his enemies by getting them killed for his personal reasons.

We have another example of Hazarat Ali, who let a man return from battlefield to come back again because he spit on his face while fighting with him in a war. Ali said: I will not kill you now because my Zulifkaar kills only in the way of Allah and I don't want people to think I killed you for personal revenge.
Islam is a religion of peace, forgiveness and repentance. This should not be taken as that it allows people to break the law. Blood for blood, hand for hand, eye for eye is the law however forgiveness after repentance is better.

The ONLY 2 incident where murder or killing a human is allowed is in the case of a murder of an innocent man or mischief against Allah and his messenger. Even in those 2 cases exceptions are available.

Murder of an innocent Life:

"Take not life , which God has made sacred, except by way of justice and law. Thus does He command you, so that you may learn wisdom" (6:151).
"
...If anyone kills a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all people. And if anyone saves a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people" (Qur'an 5:32).

"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder:the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:178)"

WAR and MISCHEIF Against ALLAH and HIS Prophet

The Qur'an speaks of punishment in relation only to those who make war and mischief in opposition to God and Muhammad:
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
(Qur'an, sura 5: 33 Al-Maida)

Here you can note that Allah (the most merciful) has given exception in both cases. For murder, Qasis (blood money) and for mischief exile from land.

ISSUE OF BLASPHEMY AND WHAT NOBLE QURAN TEACHES US:

If as a Muslim, The noble Quran is the right way (SARAT-UL-MUSTIKEEM)then we should have confidence that Allah must have addressed this issue in The Holy Quran. In deed The Noble Quran teaches us with examples how to deal with blasphemy.

"when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell: (Quran Surah 4:140)

"Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant." Quran Surah 7:199

"...but indeed they uttered blasphemy,...If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them..."( Quran 9:74)

"For Allah is with those who restrain themselves,..."(Quran 16:128)

"Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy."Quran 20:130

"And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant( Muhammad), then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.(Quran 2:23)

"And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!";(Surah 25:63)

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant.(Surah 28:55)

"And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity)."(Surah 73:10)

"Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting."(Quran50:39)

Mocked were (many) Messengers before thee; but the scoffers were hemmed in by the thing that they mocked. (Surah Al-Anaam 6:10).

Do you see what Allah the most merciful says to us through Quran. Let me sum it up for you.

Don't sit with the blasphemers, turn away from the ignorant, restrain yourself, be patient with what they say, when ignorant address you, say PEACE and move away, don't hear vein talk and go away, be patient with what they say and leave with dignity, bear them with patience, all that they say.

NOWHERE in Quran Allah says to kill them. Why because there is a day of judgment and people will bad deeds with have thier share for what they have done and said. Allah is all knowing.

Murder of anyone can never be justified for blasphemy. It can be only justified in extreme circumstances of murder of an innocent for justice and law and in self defense in a war where people wage war of Allah and His Messenger and even in those cases exceptions are available.
Now the question is why Ullama and Ayatullah of all sects of Islam agree on the death of a blasphemer? Example of that will be Fatwa of Ayatullah Kohmeni against Salman Rushidi and killing of a Hindu by Ghazi Elim deen in India? Before I answer that, do you really think that these 2 people are the only one in last 1400 years who committed blasphemy?

The answer is 2 parts.

Firstly, Contrary to what the nobel Quran teaches, in my opinion, humans have made interpretation to justify their actions. In thier mind, the easiest way to protect Allah and the Prophet from blasphemers is by coming up with a law to kill those who commit blasphemy. Contrary to noble Quran and its teaching, the have found a loophole. It is there understanding that anyone who is blasphemer is MURTUD (out of Islam) and anyone who leaves Islam is Justified to be killed.
Secondly, in their mind, it allows them to feel that they are the protectors of Quran, Allah, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Islam. Surely they are mistaken. Allah is the only protector of all of us and Islam.
We all agree that if you commit a crime against the right of Allah, only HE can punish or forgive. Similarly, if someone violates the rights of human, we must seek forgiveness for him or her.These extremist elements believe that In the case of an insult to Muhammad, the Muslim community is considered to be under an obligation to avenge the insult because the possibility of forgiveness expired upon the death of Muhammad so themselves being the ummah, it gives them a right to KILL a blasphemer on behalf of our holy prophet Muhammad(PBUH).

Is there any Ayat from Quran or Hadith giving us a right to avenge for Muhammad (PBUH) NO.... but we think we have a right.
I think killing is not a solution but building our character is the key. If we become a true Muslim and a True MOMEEN where others non Muslims can see us and say: let's give our assets to this Muslim for safe keeping because he is ameen and trustworthy, no one will dare to commit blasphemy.

I blame these Ullama for our short fall. Think there are 52 weeks in a year. 52 Juma Prayers, 30 days of Ramadan, 2 Eid Sermons... 82 days in a year we listen to these people but we are still characterless nation. A child from age 10 to 25 have listen to 1230 sermons but still commits, murder, adultery, bribery, stealing, robbery and so on... tells us someone is not doing his job.

We are living in an century where Islam is the fastest growing religion on this planet. When we offer Islam few will listen and few will say bad things about Allah and the Prophet. Should we kill them or convince them with good teachings, love and peace that Islam is a true religion. Can we tell an non muslim to convert to Islam while telling him to think carefully, if after acception he reverts, we will come and kill him... Do you think he will really accept Islam to tell you the get the hell out of his house and preach this barbaric religion elsewhere. JUST THINK.

Note: With this hope that Allah will guide us all, please consider this just an opinion. You can agree or disagree with it but don't name me or judge me because of my research.
 

hans

Banned
Re: Blasphemy in the light of quran

ماشاءالله

قُلْ هَـذِهِ سَبِيلِي أَدْعُو إِلَى اللّهِ عَلَى بَصِيرَةٍ أَنَاْ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِي وَسُبْحَانَ اللّهِ وَمَا أَنَاْ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ
12:108 Say thou: "This is my way: I do invite unto Allah,- on evidence clear as the seeing with one's eyes,- I and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah. and never will I join gods with Allah."

With the above post, may Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala relive pain and misery of all Pakistani.


 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Blasphemy in the light of quran

@molson4u you have mentioned many events from the life of our beloved Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) but I think you missed the following, please also add these events in your investigatin...

With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas which we will quote below.
This hadeeth clearly indicates that it was permissible to kill that woman because she used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up.” The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.” Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.”
(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655)
It seems that this woman was a kaafir, not a Muslim, for a Muslim could never do such an evil action. If she was a Muslim she would have become an apostate by this action, in which case it would not have been permissible for her master to keep her; in that case it would not have been good enough if he were to keep her and simply rebuke her.
Al-Nasaa’i narrated (4071) that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, ‘Shall I kill him?’ He rebuked me and said, ‘That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) .’” (Saheeh al-Nasaa’i, 3795)
It may be noted from this that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had the right to kill whoever insulted him and spoke harshly to him, and that included both Muslims and kaafirs.

you said

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WAR and MISCHEIF Against ALLAH and HIS Prophet

The Qur'an speaks of punishment in relation only to those who make war and mischief in opposition to God and Muhammad:

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
(—Qur'an, sura 5: 33 Al-Maida)

Here you can note that Allah (the most merciful) has given exception in both cases. For murder, Qasis (blood money) and for mischief exile from land.
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for murder = Qisas????
and for mischief = exile???
where this exception is?

ayah is very clear that those who wage war against Allah and his messanger and do mischief in the land shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.

wassalam

 

pcdoc24x7

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Blasphemy in the light of quran

Excellent post brother. I couldn't agree with you more. The problem with this nation as very rightly identified by you is that we are a hyper nation. We act first and think later. This is all because we have never really given up slavery ... First we were slaves of the British Empire and then we are slaves of our corrupt leaders who would never let this nation become literate because once we all become literate, we will start thinking logically and that would allow us to make thoughtful decisions that will be good for us as well as for our society. We are making our great religion a very complicated ... even though the Holy Quran has solutions for every problems... Everybody interprets religion in a way where it benefits them. I am sure most people at least on this forum who are literate and have mature thinking would agree with your post but then again we being an emotional and hyper sensitive nation will continue to show the rest of the world why we are still a stone-age nation where the rest of the world including many Islamic nations continue to grow and prosper.
 

Faiza

Moderator
Re: Blasphemy in the light of quran

@ molson4u

Thanks for the research and post, I was thinking to do the same thing but I didnt have enough courage and knowledge.

May God bless you, and reward you for your efforts
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Blasphemy in the light of quran

Brother such bolo, I have quoted everything from Quran. If you read my article, you will see that I will not look at the Rawaat that you mentioned as many believe is a fabrication or to be untrue. Let's stay with Quran or you quote me a Hadith where prophet said " Kill everyone who says anything about me". Unless you don't have a hadith, please don't ask me to add anything.

AS for exception issue, this is what i said:

Murder of someone requires death but taking Qasis is the exception allowed
Mischeif against Allah and prophet requires death, crusification, cutting of arms and legs but exception is to Exile the person

So Allah is most merciful and gives you to be kind and loving like HIM, its we who are animals and barbaric in nature and love killing others in the name of honor, women, land and religion.

May Allah Guide us all.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
COMMENT: Dying for the truth —Dr Mahjabeen Islam
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Salmaan Taseer saw Islam as inclusive and maternal — after all the word rahman comes from the root word rahm, which means womb in Arabic. He wanted the state to be forgiving, nurturing and maternal the way that God is. As an educated and enlightened man, he was able to see things in the larger perspective rather than getting all fired up over a villager’s alleged disrespect


Quietly, in the recesses of your mind ask yourself who really represents Islam.

Is it that intrepid man who paid the ultimate price for “stand out firmly for justice even if it goes against yourselves your parents or your relatives” (Quran 4:135)? Or is it the bearded, turbaned, self-appointed custodians of Islam who celebrate murder and conspire to kill more, and who are thus going against the oft repeated, “If anyone kills one person, it is as though they have killed all of mankind” (Quran 5:32)?

When the Danish cartoons were published, the West was painstakingly made to understand that for Muslims the hierarchy of love, devotion and respect is God, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and parents. Whenever a Muslim takes the shahadah (bear witness) in sincerity, a bond is born with God and the Prophet (PBUH), but this is not one for exhibition, examination or critical display. Unless a person actually physically renounces Islam, he is not a blasphemer. And even if he does, on the basis of “there is no compulsion in religion” (Quran 2:256), the punishment is not to kill him. This fanatical face of Islam and the greatest disservice to it has been done by the ayatollahs, imams and sheikhs who need a reason to exist.

One of the great tragedies for current day Muslims is lack of a central religious authority like the Vatican where scholars with defined expertise could render judgment on contemporary issues. Al-Azhar in Egypt that comes somewhat close to that has unequivocally ruled on both murtads (renouncers of Islam) as well as suicide bombers. Death is not prescribed for one who renounces Islam. And suicide bombing is haram (forbidden). Simple.

Salmaan Taseer, the governor of Punjab died in harness, did not at anytime renounce Islam, nor disrespect the Prophet (PBUH). Islam is an evidence-based religion. And it is a benign, kind faith. It inclines toward forgiveness and second chances. It recognises the Satan that anger is and extols calmness: “The righteous are those that control their anger and forgive other people” (Quran 3:134).

We have a dual responsibility: as practitioners of the faith we will be called to account on the Day of Judgment for why we misrepresented it so and made it look so violent, hate-filled, vengeful and dinosaurian; and as Pakistanis we must rapidly rid our society of fanatical thought. For before too long there will be more and more hate-inspired killings and the fear that people have now of going out of their homes will seem minuscule. Anyone that veers from the line decided in some mullah’s mind is wajib-ul-qatl (worthy of murder) and the ease and frequency of such murders make it seem that we are at the verge of hordes of lunatics running rabid throughout the land wiping out anyone that dissents with their point of view.

In their great fervour, the mullahs of Pakistan have perhaps forgotten the concept of individual and collective sin. We will have to account for our sins individually but our religious leaders will have to pay/receive two times. If they inspire their congregations to do good deeds, they get a reward as well, but if they promote murder and mayhem, and especially if they do it in the name of Prophet Muhammad, “the one that was sent as a mercy to all mankind” (Quran 21:07), they might find themselves invoking God’s wrath rather than His grace.

It is a travesty that minorities and now ‘liberals’ receive and suffer death pronouncements in the name of a man (PBUH) who was the epitome of tolerance and manners. Historians (Sahih Bukhari, Tradition Number 1,311) report that as a funeral of a Jew passed before Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), as a sign of respect he stood up. In doing this, he showed respect and shared in the feeling of sorrow with the Jewish family and community. “Why did you stand up for a Jewish funeral?” he was asked. The Prophet replied: “Is it not a human soul?”

Salmaan Taseer stood beside a helpless Pakistani-Christian woman and appealed for her forgiveness and repeal of Pakistan’s archaic blasphemy laws that are used for personal and political gain. Salmaan Taseer saw Islam as inclusive and maternal — after all the word rahman comes from the root word rahm, which means womb in Arabic. He wanted the state to be forgiving, nurturing and maternal the way that God is. As an educated and enlightened man, he was able to see things in the larger perspective rather than getting all fired up over a villager’s alleged disrespect.

Islam promotes dialogue and is actually one of the few religions that stand up to harsh inquiry. But mullahs insist on blind faith and no questions. There is no evidence in the Prophet’s (PBUH) life or during the reign of the four caliphs that any action was taken against anyone regarding blasphemy. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was mistreated by a woman that threw garbage at him but he went to visit her when she was sick. Contrast this to the Facebook followers and the lawyers who praised and showered rose-petals on Mumtaz Quadri for murdering Salmaan Taseer.

They pelted stones at Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Taif and Gabriel said that God could wipe them out if Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) wanted. But the most magnificent of all men declined. Contrast this to the Jamat-e-Islami’s Asadullah Bhutto who declared that “the one who has killed Taseer is a pious man and will go to the Seventh Heaven”. And here I thought prophethood and revelation had stopped with Muhammad (PBUH).

Naseeruddin Shah brilliantly acted in ‘Khuda key liye’ and the line “with haram money in their pockets, they run all over town looking for zabiha [sacrifice] meat” is so pointedly representative of the mullah mindset that has taken over Pakistan, and is bent on razing it to the ground.

A few days before his death when questioned about his security detail and its insufficiency, Salmaan Taseer said: “Aaj bazaar main pa bajolan chalo/Rakhte Dil bandh lo Dil fagaro chalo/Phir hamen qatl ho ayen yaro chalo” (Today, let us walk through bazaar with feet in chains/ Pick up the burden of heart, let us go, heartbroken ones/ Let us offer ourselves, once again, for execution).

Few in Pakistan’s history were as frank and fearless as Salmaan Taseer, ready and willing to die for the truth. If we do not stand up as a nation to the flames of fanaticism, bigotry and hatred, Pakistan will self-destruct. In the foreseeable future.

The writer is a family physician, addictionist and freelance columnist with a practice in Toledo, Ohio(www.thenews.com.pk)
 

rolnrol

MPA (400+ posts)
Note: With this hope that Allah will guide us all, please consider this just an opinion. You can agree or disagree with it but don't name me or judge me because of my research.
:jazak:[/QUOTE]
copy and paste skills zindabaad and your buttering the end with ( Note: With this hope that Allah will guide us all, please consider this just an opinion. You can agree or disagree with it but don't name me or judge me because of my research). did not work, cause the whole lacture is out of context.
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Brother Rol and Rol... please provide the orginal if you think it is copied from somewhere. Brother it takes time, effort and brains to research the material and find references from Quran. All I have done is give my opinion in detail, you don't have to agree with it. However you are the copy and paste guru without knowledge and refuse to see the truth.

Brother Canadian, i don't know why you copy pasted an article about Salmaan Taseer and the writers idea's are her idea's and my idea and research is mine. I own it and stand behind it.
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Whatever the reason, killing some one on the road instead of taking him to the court (utilizing existing Blasphemy law) shows that this nuclear state created in the name of Islam is now falling apart in the name of Islam.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Well Molson I am not sure what madrassah you went to but you are wrong and most of your observation is your own thought. Since you are quoting from Quraan and have also done research in Quraan (which many of the scholars I know do not claim to have done as they find it beyond their capability) then you must have very good Islamic Education I would think that you must have done takkhasus at least. If so then I will not go any further and leave your understanding with you. BUT if NOT then let me know and I will try to add my 2 bits as well.

Thanks
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@molsom

بسم اللہ الرحمن الرحیم...آپ کامسلہ یہ ہے کے آپ دین اسلام کے ایک ماخذ قرآن کو ماننے کا دعویٰ تو کرتے ہیں مگر اسی دین کا دوسرا ماخذ یعنی اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے اسوہ اور عمل یعنی سنت اور حدیث کو ماننے کے لئے تیّار نہیں جب کے قرآن خود ہم سے مطالبہ کرتا ہے اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی اتباع کا ساتھ ہی ساتھ قرآن دین کے تمام معاملات میں مکمّل رہنمائی کے لئے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی ذات کو ایک نمونہ قرادیتا ہے اور قرآن کو سمجھنے کے لئے اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کو بطور استاد پیش کرتا ہے

He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book and Al-Hikmah. And verily, they had been before in manifest error (سورہ جمعہ آیت ٢)

بہرحال شاید آپ فلحال یہ باتیں سمجھنا نہیں چاہتے اور نہ ہی حدیث کو کوئی مقام دینا چاہتے ہیں اور احادیث کے بارے میں بغیر علم کے فتوے بھی دے رہے ہیں کے یہ احادیث کمزور ہیں اور ساتھ ہی ساتھ آپ بضد ہیں آپکی خواہش کے مطابق قرآن سے مخصوص آیت دکھائی جاے ان الفاظ کے ساتھ جو آپ چاہتے ہیں. سبحان اللہ اگر اسی طرح کے مطالبہ کوئی صحابی اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم سے کرتا کہ مجھے آپ قرآن میں ان الفاظ کے ساتھ کوئی آیت بتائیں تو میں آپ کی بات مانونگا تو سوچئے کیا ہوتا. مگر چونکے آپ ٢٠١١ میں رہ رہے ہیں تو آپ اس طرح کے مطالبات کرکے دین سے فرار اختیار کرسکتے ہیں. مثلا آپ کہ سکتے ہیں کے مجھے قرآن سے کوئی ایسے آیت پیش کرو جس میں لکھا ہو ہیروئن بیچنا گناہ ہے تو پھر میں ہیروئن نہیں بچونگا، یا آپ کہ سکتے ہیں کے مجھے قرآن سے کوئی ایسے آیت دکھاؤ جس میں واضح لکھا ہو کے ملاوٹ کرنے والے کو پکڑ کے قید کرو اور کوڑے مارو ورنہ ملاوٹ کرنے والے شخص کو سزا نہیں ملنی چاہیے. میرے بھائی اللہ آپکو ہدایت دے.

میرے صرف دو مختصر سوالات ہیں اگر تو آپ یہ جوابات صرف اور صرف قرآن کی روشنی میں دیدیں تو بات آگے بڑھانے اور مسلے کو سمجھنے میں آسانی ہوگی. آپ براےمہربانی جوش خطابت میں آنے کے بجائے بات مختصر رکھتے ہووے صرف موضوع تک رہیے گا

١) گستاخ رسول کسی بھی طرح سے مجرم ہے یا نہیں؟؟ یعنی ایک گستاخی کرنے والے شخص کو سزا دی جائے یا اسے چھوڑ دیا جائیگا کہ چاہے تو سڑکوں اور میدانوں میں کھڑا ہوکے اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ عالیہ وسلّم کی شان میں جتنی گستاخی کرنا چاہے کرے

٢) اگر آپ کہتے ہیں کے ہاں سزا ہے... تو پھر براے مہربانی کیا سزا ہے اس کا ذکر قرآن میں کہاں ہے عرض کردیجئے، مجھے آپکی مرضی کی سزا نہیں چاہیے کے قید کردو، کوڑے لگادو وغیرہ...قرآن کیا سزا مقرر کرتا ہے؟؟؟؟؟

مجھے امید ہے آپ مجھے ان مختصر اور واضح سوالات کا جواب ضرور دینگے






 
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sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
کسے خبر تھی کہ لے کر چراغے مصطفوی
جہاں میں آگ لگاتی پھرے گی بولہبی

Killing of a human being for whom the Prophet was sent as Rehmat-ul-Alimeen, is the worst kind of blasphemy.
 

pcdoc24x7

Minister (2k+ posts)
Agar aap bhi itni lambi chodi tahmeed bandhe baghair hi sawal kar laite to bohat behtar hota .... The thread started explained quite eloquently his point of view using the Holy Quran as a guide ... however you just have a lame argument ... If you have a counter argument ... why don't you present that to the rest of the forum with authentic references from Quran.... otherwise don't bother ... It takes time and effort to do some research however it does not to just point fingers at others without having substantial facts. So my advise to you is simple .... get your facts and then join the debate and prove your point. May Allah give all of us Hidaya to understand this religion of peace and to follow the teachings of our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH).

@molsom

بسم اللہ الرحمن الرحیم...آپ کامسلہ یہ ہے کے آپ دین اسلام کے ایک ماخذ قرآن کو ماننے کا دعویٰ تو کرتے ہیں مگر اسی دین کا دوسرا ماخذ یعنی اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے اسوہ اور عمل یعنی سنت اور حدیث کو ماننے کے لئے تیّار نہیں جب کے قرآن خود ہم سے مطالبہ کرتا ہے اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی اتباع کا ساتھ ہی ساتھ قرآن دین کے تمام معاملات میں مکمّل رہنمائی کے لئے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی ذات کو ایک نمونہ قرادیتا ہے اور قرآن کو سمجھنے کے لئے اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کو بطور استاد پیش کرتا ہے

He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book and Al-Hikmah. And verily, they had been before in manifest error (سورہ جمعہ آیت ٢)

بہرحال شاید آپ فلحال یہ باتیں سمجھنا نہیں چاہتے اور نہ ہی حدیث کو کوئی مقام دینا چاہتے ہیں اور احادیث کے بارے میں بغیر علم کے فتوے بھی دے رہے ہیں کے یہ احادیث کمزور ہیں اور ساتھ ہی ساتھ آپ بضد ہیں آپکی خواہش کے مطابق قرآن سے مخصوص آیت دکھائی جاے ان الفاظ کے ساتھ جو آپ چاہتے ہیں. سبحان اللہ اگر اسی طرح کے مطالبہ کوئی صحابی اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم سے کرتا کہ مجھے آپ قرآن میں ان الفاظ کے ساتھ کوئی آیت بتائیں تو میں آپ کی بات مانونگا تو سوچئے کیا ہوتا. مگر چونکے آپ ٢٠١١ میں رہ رہے ہیں تو آپ اس طرح کے مطالبات کرکے دین سے فرار اختیار کرسکتے ہیں. مثلا آپ کہ سکتے ہیں کے مجھے قرآن سے کوئی ایسے آیت پیش کرو جس میں لکھا ہو ہیروئن بیچنا گناہ ہے تو پھر میں ہیروئن نہیں بچونگا، یا آپ کہ سکتے ہیں کے مجھے قرآن سے کوئی ایسے آیت دکھاؤ جس میں واضح لکھا ہو کے ملاوٹ کرنے والے کو پکڑ کے قید کرو اور کوڑے مارو ورنہ ملاوٹ کرنے والے شخص کو سزا نہیں ملنی چاہیے. میرے بھائی اللہ آپکو ہدایت دے.

میرے صرف دو مختصر سوالات ہیں اگر تو آپ یہ جوابات صرف اور صرف قرآن کی روشنی میں دیدیں تو بات آگے بڑھانے اور مسلے کو سمجھنے میں آسانی ہوگی. آپ براےمہربانی جوش خطابت میں آنے کے بجائے بات مختصر رکھتے ہووے صرف موضوع تک رہیے گا

١) گستاخ رسول کسی بھی طرح سے مجرم ہے یا نہیں؟؟ یعنی ایک گستاخی کرنے والے شخص کو سزا دی جائے یا اسے چھوڑ دیا جائیگا کہ چاہے تو سڑکوں اور میدانوں میں کھڑا ہوکے اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ عالیہ وسلّم کی شان میں جتنی گستاخی کرنا چاہے کرے

٢) اگر آپ کہتے ہیں کے ہاں سزا ہے... تو پھر براے مہربانی کیا سزا ہے اس کا ذکر قرآن میں کہاں ہے عرض کردیجئے، مجھے آپکی مرضی کی سزا نہیں چاہیے کے قید کردو، کوڑے لگادو وغیرہ...قرآن کیا سزا مقرر کرتا ہے؟؟؟؟؟

مجھے امید ہے آپ مجھے ان مختصر اور واضح سوالات کا جواب ضرور دینگے






 

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بسم اللہ الرحمان الرحیم.....میرے سوالات بلکل واضح ہیں...وہ تمام احباب جو احادیث رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی حجیت کے قائل نہیں اور گستاخ رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے لئے قرآن میں موجود کفر کے فتووں اور دنیا اور آخرت کے عذاب اور لعنت اور حدیث میں موجود سزا موت کے قانون کو نہیں مانتے وہ کیا میرے مختصر سے سوالات کا جواب نہیں دسکتے؟ میں اپنے سوالات دوہرا دیتا ہوں

میرے صرف دو مختصر سوالات ہیں اگر تو آپ یہ جوابات صرف اور صرف قرآن کی روشنی میں دیدیں تو بات آگے بڑھانے اور مسلے کو سمجھنے میں آسانی ہوگی. آپ براےمہربانی جوش خطابت میں آنے کے بجائے بات مختصر رکھتے ہووے صرف موضوع تک رہیے گا


١) گستاخ رسول کسی بھی طرح سے مجرم ہے یا نہیں؟؟ یعنی ایک گستاخی کرنے والے شخص کو سزا دی جائے یا اسے چھوڑ دیا جائیگا کہ چاہے تو سڑکوں اور میدانوں میں کھڑا ہوکے اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی شان میں جتنی گستاخی کرنا چاہے کرے-قرآن سے ثابت کریں


٢) اگر آپ کہتے ہیں کے ہاں سزا ہے... تو پھر براے مہربانی کیا سزا ہے اس کا ذکر قرآن میں کہاں ہے عرض کردیجئے، مجھے آپکی مرضی کی سزا نہیں چاہیے کے قید کردو، کوڑے لگادو وغیرہ...قرآن کیا سزا مقرر کرتا ہے؟؟؟؟؟



 

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