We were ignorant and blind in army's love for so long

Ontarianpakistani

Senator (1k+ posts)
Lets make it clear. We love our Jawans but hate these generals who are poking their nose in everything they are not supposed to and run away when it comes to perform their actual job. As I mentioned before Gen. fazal Muqeem ( ironically a general himself) concluded it in one sentence in his book leadership crises in Pakistan "We have best soldiers and worst generals thats why we won all the battles and lost all the wars".
 

Shimaz

MPA (400+ posts)
Perhaps somewhat correct from an angle, but there was no military before 1947, no Pakistan, no India, and no Kashmir problem. But there was the Hindu and Hindu mindset of absolute and wicked domination because of which Jinnah had to go all lengths to separate away from Hindu. The real problem is deep rooted hatred of high caste Hindus towards every other religion, esp muslims. Look what's going on with sikhs now and with kahsmir, or even their own lower castes.

The brahman hindu mindset itself is the problem.
 

Ontarianpakistani

Senator (1k+ posts)
Perhaps somewhat correct from an angle, but there was no military before 1947, no Pakistan, no India, and no Kashmir problem. But there was the Hindu and Hindu mindset of absolute and wicked domination because of which Jinnah had to go all lengths to separate away from Hindu. The real problem is deep rooted hatred of high caste Hindus towards every other religion, esp muslims. Look what's going on with sikhs now and with kahsmir, or even their own lower castes.

The brahman hindu mindset itself is the problem.
That is absolutely right and B.R. Ambedker a Hindu intellectual actually said that the right of a minority (Muslims) to demand independence from an oppressive majority (Hindu) is as sacred as right of a Nation ( Indian sub-continent) to seek independence from a colonial power. Another point is that there is no history of communal violence in India before British Raj. Those who think that Goras were very fair should know that they actually sowed the seeds of communal hatred and left the problems like Kashmir behind them. The tragedy is that 90% of our criminal and civil laws are still the same which were enacted by a colonial power to control the masses. Alas, since the death of Quid e Azam we had several rulers but the same govt. This needs to be changed.

By the way I quoted above Ambedker because none of our muslim so called intellectuals have guts to analyze the history and write the truth. We are only good at quoting books like "Freedom at Midnight" by Larry Colon and Dominique Lepierre . That book is a complete trash historically speaking but did anyone wrote anything of substance from among us?
 

yahyakhan100

MPA (400+ posts)
We are angry with army, but who said we will believe Indians mouth.
No need to believe them but the first part of his comments are pure facts. Army has disproportionate share in the state of Pakistan from bureaucracy to business to finance. And to justify it they keep on fighting some kind of war.