Why is Rape not mentioned in Quran ?

[Cyber_Security]

Quran doesnt mention the punishment of adultery. It is defined later with the help of ahadees.
A victim of zinabil jabr doesnt fall under the definition of someone who performed adultery & is not considered an adulterer.

Quran does mentions punishment for adultery.
The Quran states that the punishment for fornication is one hundred lashes.

[24:2] The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out GOD’s law, if you truly believe in GOD and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty.

 

[Captain Safdar]

There is so much confusion amongst Muslims about the rape penalty because rape and it's penalty is not mentioned in Qurani asked .
Same say there is a requirement of 4 witnesses to prove rape like normal fornication .
Some sat



I asked a very simple question .
Does Quran mention rape ?
You could have either said,
a) NO , it doesn't.
Or
b) YES . It does. Here is the evidence. This is the Ayat where rape is mention.

Your complex analogy is not a right response to a very simple question.

Quran also didn't mention Dinosaurs... so what's your point?
You want quran to become a bible like book with additions??
Quran gives you a "vast term" and it get explained in hadeeths and sunnah.
Is rape "Zina" in islam..... Yes it is.
Now dig down term Zina and look for your answer.
Quran is not a dictionary... that you are looking for your favourite words in it.

 

[Citizen X]

Zinabil Raza is a word for sex with consent and rape is without consent.

These are fucked up words made up by desi moulvis mixing arabic and urdu to give them an "Islamic colour"

Oh and I am so sorry, I thought you were asking "questions" to get proper answers and explanations. Not just yes and nos.

If that is the case, then NO its not specifically mentioned.

Happy now bob?

 

[Citizen X]

Zinabil Raza is a word for sex with consent and rape is without consent. They are similar in your opinion then you are more conservative then the most TTP taliban. I just asked a simple question, if Quran mentions rape? Or not ?
When one doesn't have the answer they resort to personal insult. Such as , I must be an agnostic or an atheist. The answer was yes. It does or no it doesn't. But , no it doesn't mean pill is hard to swallow. Let's throw some dirt at a person who is asking a question because we are too embarrassed to admit that we don't have an answer.

P.S : You're actual question was " WHY is rape not mentioned in the Quran" not if its mentioned by name or not. After getting several clarifications now you have back peddled into the IS IT mentioned by name position.

Bob don't pull a bob spencer on us and keep moving the goal posts as it suits you.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Those who are arguing above that sex with consent and rape are the same thing , they should celebrate because Molana Munawar Hassan used to think in a same way.
Please watch this 2 minutes video.
He is saying the rape victim must provide 4 witnesses that she's been raped otherwise the rape victim has to be punished.

 

[Cyber_Security]

P.S : You're actual question was " WHY is rape not mentioned in the Quran" not if its mentioned by name or not. After getting several clarifications now you have back peddled into the IS IT mentioned by name position.

Bob don't pull a bob spencer on us and keep moving the goal posts as it suits you.

But didn't you say quran tells a way of life no
Hadees needed. The book which tells a way of life doesn't even mention rape the most common and serious crime ? You are comfortable with that.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Quran also didn't mention Dinosaurs... so what's your point?
You want quran to become a bible like book with additions??
Quran gives you a "vast term" and it get explained in hadeeths and sunnah.
Is rape "Zina" in islam..... Yes it is.
Now dig down term Zina and look for your answer.
Quran is not a dictionary... that you are looking for your favourite words in it.

Poor apology. Dinosaurs don't exist and the rape is the most common and brutal crime happening every second somewhere in the world.

 

[Yasirsaeed2002]

سنن النسائی کی صحیح حدیث ہے:۔۔
أَخْبَرَنِي إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ يُونُسَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ، حَرَمِيٌّ - هُوَ لَقَبُهُ - قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي قَالَ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ ثَابِتٍ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَتْ لَهُ أَمَةٌ يَطَؤُهَا فَلَمْ تَزَلْ بِهِ عَائِشَةُ وَحَفْصَةُ حَتَّى حَرَّمَهَا عَلَى نَفْسِهِ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ ‏{‏ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكَ ‏}‏ إِلَى آخِرِ الآيَةِ ‏.‏

مجھ سے ابراہیم بن یونس بن محمد حرمی نے بیان کیا، انہوں نے کہا: ہم سے میرے والد نے بیان کیا، انہوں نے کہا: ہم سے حماد بن سلمہ نے ثابت، انس رضی اللہ عنہ سے بیان کیا کہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی ایک لونڈی تھی جس سے آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم ہمبستری فرماتے تھے اور عائشہ اور حفصہ رضی اللہ عنہا ان کے ساتھ رہنے لگیں یہاں تک کہ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے انہیں اپنے لیے حرام کر دیا تو اللہ تعالیٰ نے نازل فرمایا اے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم آپ اللہ کی ان چیزوں کو کیوں حرام کرتے ہیں جوتمہارے لیے حلال کر دیا گیا ہے۔


یہ مشہور و معروف واقعہ ہے جب پیغمبر اسلام نے حضرت عائشہ اور حضرت حفصہ کے پریشر میں اپنے اوپر ایک لونڈی کو حرام کرلیا تھا۔ جس کے کچھ دنوں بعد آپ نے حضرت عائشہ اور حضرت حفصہ کو بتایا کہ اللہ نے مجھ پر قرآن کی یہ آیت نازل کردی ہے کہ تم اپنے اوپر اس چیز کو کیوں حرام کرتے ہو جو میں نے (اللہ نے) تمہارے لئے حلال کی ہے۔ (سورۃ التحریم۔ آیت 1)۔۔
قرآن کی سب سے مستند تفسیر ، تفسیر ابن کثیر میں یہ واقعہ یوں درج ہے۔۔

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Shameeer I think you are missing the point. Londi = rape you have not proved. You are assuming londi means rape. Validate your premise first.

 

[Cyber_Security]

P.S : You're actual question was " WHY is rape not mentioned in the Quran" not if its mentioned by name or not. After getting several clarifications now you have back peddled into the IS IT mentioned by name position.

Bob don't pull a bob spencer on us and keep moving the goal posts as it suits you.

Answer me just one question.

If Quran mentioning adultery is enough and there was no need for rape to be discussed, then the same investigation will apply to charge the rapist as mentioned in the Quran for adulteress? I mean the rape victim has to provide 4 witnesses to prove that she was rape ? 4 witnesses is a requirement in Quran to punish the adulterers . So I guess same rule will apply. ?
So Munawar Hassan is right in the above video ? Any rape victim who can not provide 4 witnesses must be punished ?

 

[arifkarim]

Shameeer I think you are missing the point. Londi = rape you have not proved. You are assuming londi means rape. Validate your premise first.

Londi = slave and thus used for sex since time immemorial

 

[M_Shameer]

Shameeer I think you are missing the point. Londi = rape you have not proved. You are assuming londi means rape. Validate your premise first.

اگر میں آپ کو ایک مثال سے واضح کرنے کی کوشش کروں تو آپ برا تو نہ منائیں گے؟

فرض کریں آپ کے علاقے پر کچھ لوگ حملہ کرتے ہیں، وہ آپ کی بہن بیٹیوں کو اٹھا کر لے جاتے ہیں اور اپنی لونڈیاں بنا لیتے ہیں۔

اب آپ کی بہن بیٹیوں کے ساتھ وہ لوگ جو سیکس کریں گے آپ اس کو ریپ تصور کریں گے یا نہیں۔۔۔؟؟​

 

[arifkarim]

Answer me just one question.

If Quran mentioning adultery is enough and there was no need for rape to be discussed, then the same investigation will apply to charge the rapist as mentioned in the Quran for adulteress? I mean the rape victim has to provide 4 witnesses to prove that she was rape ? 4 witnesses is a requirement in Quran to punish the adulterers . So I guess same rule will apply. ?
So Munawar Hassan is right in the above video ? Any rape victim who can not provide 4 witnesses must be punished ?

4 witnesses is a requirement for adultery or fornication (zina bil raza) not rape (zina bil jabr):

164th meeting of the Council was held in March, 2007. Some of the important issues on the agenda of the meeting were as under. 1. Zina bil Raza (Zina by mutual consent) and Zina bil Jabr (Rape) The Council unanimously decided that Zina by mutual consent (Zina bil Raza) and rape (Zina bil Jabr) are two distinct and separate crimes. If a female complains of Zina bil Jabr, she will not be asked to bring four witnesses as in such a case she is a complainant and the state is duty bound to investigate the crime perpetrated against her. The culprit should be apprehended and if the offence is proved, the culprit should be punished.

:::Council Of Islamic Ideology|||CII Meetings:::

The Council of Islamic Ideology is a constitutional body that advises the legislature whether or not a certain law is repugnant to Islam, namely to the Qur'an and Sunna. This website is designed to provide information about the activities of the Council.

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So adultery or fornication is a religious crime while rape is a state crime - because religion do not consider rape a crime.

M_Shameer Citizen X Yasirsaeed2002 Captain Safdar

 

[Raza888]

P.S : You're actual question was " WHY is rape not mentioned in the Quran" not if its mentioned by name or not. After getting several clarifications now you have back peddled into the IS IT mentioned by name position.

Bob don't pull a bob spencer on us and keep moving the goal posts as it suits you.

Bhai why are you calling him non-muslim name? Just because he asked a question we don't have an answer to doesn't mean we should bear the burden of knowing everything about what happened before the Big Bang or what occurs after death. It's perfectly acceptable to say, 'I don't know,' but also to express confidence that an answer exists and that we are committed to helping find it

 

[Citizen X]

Hadees needed

Quran 45:6 These are God's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than God and His revelations do they believe?

Quran 3:16 Among the people there are those who uphold baseless hadith, and this diverts others (from the Way of Allah, and make a mockery of it. For such people there is a disgraceful punishment.

Quran 6:114 Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

SO you're saying ( nauzubillah ) that Allah is lying when he says to follow only his hadith and his sunnah and that the book that he has revealed is fully detailed and he is the only source of law.

SO some defeated Persians 2 to 3 centuries later went to "collect and compile" hadith because Allah had lied and/or forgotten so many things that these persians took it upon themselves to "complete" Allah's deen through centuries old hearsay.

Mate I wouldn't buy an old washing machine on the criteria set for hadith, let alone base and gamble my duniya and akhira on it.

My friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend that this washing machine is absolutely perfect and a great deal. Oh and all my friends and their friends are very trustworthy because later I wrote a book about all them classifying them all as trustworthy because I believe so.

You want to gamble everything away on such a silly premise, be my guest. I'll just go and visit the seller directly and check it for myself.

Answer me just one question.

If Quran mentioning adultery is enough and there was no need for rape to be discussed, then the same investigation will apply to charge the rapist as mentioned in the Quran for adulteress? I mean the rape victim has to provide 4 witnesses to prove that she was rape ? 4 witnesses is a requirement in Quran to punish the adulterers . So I guess same rule will apply. ?
So Munawar Hassan is right in the above video ? Any rape victim who can not provide 4 witnesses must be punished ?

Are you just thick, being willfully obtuse or having a massive reading and comprehension failure at the moment?

Anyways that is for consensual hook ups. Not for rapes as that is under coercion and if you are even a tiny bit familiar with the Quran, its spirit and jist you'll know Quran does not condone any actions against one will, specially violent, and never blames the victim, hell it does not even force others to follow the deen its preaching, there is no compulsion in religion.

Massive FAIL bob.

NEXT!

 

[Cyber_Security]

4 witnesses are a requirement for adultery or fornication (zina bil raza) not rape (zina bil jabr):

:::Council Of Islamic Ideology|||CII Meetings:::

The Council of Islamic Ideology is a constitutional body that advises the legislature whether or not a certain law is repugnant to Islam, namely to the Qur'an and Sunna. This website is designed to provide information about the activities of the Council.

cii.gov.pk

So adultery or fornication is a religious crime while rape is a state crime - because religion do not consider rape a crime.

M_Shameer Citizen X Yasirsaeed2002 Captain Safdar

So adultery or fornication is a religious crime while rape is a state crime - because religion do not consider rape a crime.

4 witnesses is a requirement for adultery or fornication (zina bil raza) not rape (zina bil jabr):

:::Council Of Islamic Ideology|||CII Meetings:::

The Council of Islamic Ideology is a constitutional body that advises the legislature whether or not a certain law is repugnant to Islam, namely to the Qur'an and Sunna. This website is designed to provide information about the activities of the Council.

cii.gov.pk

So adultery or fornication is a religious crime while rape is a state crime - because religion do not consider rape a crime.

M_Shameer Citizen X Yasirsaeed2002 Captain Safdar

Wow, I am impressed.
" because religion do not consider rape a crime."
اسے کہتے ہیں دریا کو کوزے میں بند کر دینا -
آپ نے ایک لائن میں جو بات کرئ ہے اس پرپوری کتاب لکھی جا سکتی ہے

I fully agree with your explanation.

 

[Citizen X]

Bhai why are you calling him non-muslim name?

Go look up bob spencer, ol' bob has made a living out of "asking" such "questions"

Just because he asked a question we don't have an answer to doesn't mean we should bear the burden of knowing everything about what happened before the Big Bang or what occurs after death. It's perfectly acceptable to say, 'I don't know,' but also to express confidence that an answer exists and that we are committed to helping find it

You're just too naive buddy, I've been handling such Bob's for the better part of this century. This isn't my first rodeo.

 

[Citizen X]

So adultery or fornication is a religious crime while rape is a state crime - because religion do not consider rape a crime.

Wow, I am impressed.
" because religion do not consider rape a crime."
اسے کہتے ہیں دریا کو کوزے میں بند کر دینا -
آپ نے ایک لائن میں جو بات کرئ ہے اس پرپوری کتاب لکھی جا سکتی ہے

I fully agree with your explanation.

Oh look. bob has found a friend, awww so cute!

 

[Cyber_Security]

Oh look. bob has found a friend, awww so cute!

His explanation touched my heart.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Oh look. bob has found a friend, awww so cute!

When Mufti Taqi Usmani came to Sydney last time, I attended his sermon in the Rooty Hill Mosque. I had several questions, (I knew he would not be able to answer), but instead of responding to any of my questions, he informed me that in Islam one can not ask questions. You should do the same thing. Socrates was an idiot who told us to always ask questions. When you ask questions about Islam, people would think you are outside the circle of Islam. You should always ridicule other religions and ask questions to them about their religion. But never, never allow Muslims to question their own religion.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Bhai why are you calling him non-muslim name? Just because he asked a question we don't have an answer to doesn't mean we should bear the burden of knowing everything about what happened before the Big Bang or what occurs after death. It's perfectly acceptable to say, 'I don't know,' but also to express confidence that an answer exists and that we are committed to helping find it

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