Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Will Washington foment war between China and India?









By Paul Craig Roberts

What is Washington's solution for the rising power of China? The answer might be to involve China in a nuclear war with India.

The staging of the fake death of Osama bin Laden in a commando raid that violated Pakistan's sovereignty was sold to President Obama by the military/security complex as a way to boost Obama's standing in the polls.


The raid succeeded in raising Obama's approval ratings. But its real purpose was to target Pakistan and to show Pakistan that the U.S. was contemplating invading Pakistan in order to make Pakistan pay for allegedly hiding bin Laden next door to Pakistan's military academy. The neocon -- and increasingly the U.S. military -- position is that the Taliban can't be conquered unless NATO widens the war theater to Pakistan, where the Taliban allegedly has sanctuaries protected by the Pakistan government, which takes American money but doesn't do Washington's bidding.


Pakistan got the threat message and ran to China. On May 17, Pakistan's prime minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, as he departed for China, declared China to be Pakistan's best and most trusted friend. China has built a port for Pakistan
at Gwadar, which is close to the entrance of the Strait of Hormuz. The port might become a Chinese naval base on the Arabian Sea.


Raza Rumi reported in the Pakistan Tribune (June 4) that at a recent lecture at Pakistan's National Defense University, Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the US, asked the military officers whether the biggest threat to Pakistan
came from within, from India, or from the U.S. A majority of the officers said that the U.S. was the biggest threat to Pakistan.


China, concerned with India, the other Asian giant that is rising, is willing to ally with Pakistan. Moreover, China doesn't want Americans on its border, which is where they would be should Pakistan become another American
battleground.


Therefore, China showed its displeasure with the U.S. threat to Pakistan, and advised Washington to respect Pakistan's sovereignty, adding that any attack on Pakistan would be considered an attack on China. I do not think China's
ultimatum was reported in the U.S. press, but it was widely reported in India's press. India is concerned that China has stepped up to Pakistan's defense.


The Chinese ultimatum is important, because it is a WWI or WWII level of ultimatum. With this level of commitment of China to Pakistan, Washington will now seek a way to maneuver itself out of the confrontation and to substitute
India.


The U.S. has been fawning all over India, cultivating India in the most shameful ways, including the sacrifice of Americans' jobs. Recently, there have been massive U.S. weapons sales to India, US-India military cooperation
agreements, and joint military exercises.


Washington figures that the Indians, who were gullible for centuries about the British, will be gullible about the shining city on the hill that is bringing freedom and democracy to the world by smashing, killing, and destroying. Like the British and France's Sarkozy, Indian political leaders will find themselves doing Washington's will. By the time India and China realize that they have been maneuvered into mutual destruction by the Americans, it will be too late for either to back down.


With China and India eliminated, that leaves only Russia, which is already ringed by U.S. missile bases and isolated from Europe by NATO, which now includes former constituent parts of the Soviet Empire. A large percentage of
gullible Russian youth admires the U.S. for its freedom (little do they know) and hates the authoritarian Russian state, which they regard as a continuation of the old Soviet state. These internationalized Russians will side with Washington, more or less forcing Moscow into surrender.


As the rest of the world, with the exception of parts of South America, is already part of the American Empire, Russia's surrender will let the U.S. focus its military might on South America. Chavez will be overthrown, and if others
do not fall into line, more examples will be made.


The only way the American Empire can be stopped is for China and Russia to realize their danger and to form an unbreakable alliance that reassures India, breaks off Germany from NATO and defends Iran.


Otherwise, the American Empire will prevail over the entire world. The U.S. dollar will become the only currency, and therefore be spared exchange-rate depreciation from debt monetization.


Gold and silver will become forbidden possessions, as will guns and a number of books, including the U.S. Constitution.


Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury in the Reagan Administration, Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal, Senior Research Fellow in the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and held the
William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University. He is the author or coauthor of nine books and has testified before committees of Congress on thirty occasions.
 

bravo

Banned
Re: FW: Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

What a maniac article..

India and china ;may be rivals and potential threats to each other but they will never go in war with each other!!
Neither china nor india wants to lose the development they have gained becoz of many years of hard work!!

China has clearly said that its ready to make good relations with india,forgoing border disputes!!
http://www.businessghana.com/portal/news/index.php?op=getNews&news_cat_id=&id=148008

http://tribune.com.pk/story/193423/china-seeks-better-military-ties-with-india/

Chinese generals and communist leadership is not naive like pakistan who do kargil and force wars without knowing the consequences!!

China is already surrounded by non friends in south china sea!!
And it seems clearly that "China has started balancing relations with india and pakistan.They dont want india to go in american camps !!so for rise of china;china needs india more than it needs pakistan"
 
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canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: FW: Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

What a maniac article..

India and china ;may be rivals and potential threats to each other but they will never go in war with each other!!
Neither china nor india wants to lose the development they have gained becoz of many years of hard work!!

China has clearly said that its ready to make good relations with india,forgoing border disputes!!
http://www.businessghana.com/portal/news/index.php?op=getNews&news_cat_id=&id=148008

http://tribune.com.pk/story/193423/china-seeks-better-military-ties-with-india/

Chinese generals and communist leadership is not naive like pakistan who do kargil and force wars without knowing the consequences!!

China is already surrounded by non friends in south china sea!!
And it seems clearly that "China has started balancing relations with india and pakistan.They dont want india to go in american camps !!so for rise of china;china needs india more than it needs pakistan"

Any way that's from the horse's mouth and an insider who knows what's happening behind curtains.
 

bravo

Banned
Re: FW: Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

Any way that's from the horse's mouth and an insider who knows what's happening behind curtains.

its from the common sense and those 2 articles links i have posted in previous post!!

It says the truth....China used pakistan to trouble india for 65 years ...now Face value of pakistan is so low that it cant be used to contain india!!
so China is not going to play pakistan card any more!!
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: FW: Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

its from the common sense and those 2 articles links i have posted in previous post!!

It says the truth....China used pakistan to trouble india for 65 years ...now Face value of pakistan is so low that it cant be used to contain india!!
so China is not going to play pakistan card any more!!

I believe in every word that article says.Whatever you are saying is your personal opinion but the facts are otherwise !!
 

bravo

Banned
Re: FW: Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

I believe in every word that article says.Whatever you are saying is your personal opinion but the facts are otherwise !!

See the links
http://www.businessghana.com/portal/..._id=&id=148008




http://tribune.com.pk/story/193423/c...es-with-india/

China dont have good relations with india as it has with pakistan..so what does this quoted article tell you ??
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2132123.ece
China will look to strike a better balance in its relations with India and Pakistan and will focus on improving relations with its neighbours in the next Five-Year Plan period (2011-15), according to representatives of the country’s top foreign policy advisory body.

China would place a priority on ensuring a stable neighbourhood environment and was in favour of an early settlement of the long-running border dispute with India, members of the country’s Foreign Policy Advisory Group (FPAG), which provides inputs for the Chinese government’s diplomacy, told reporters on Friday in a briefing on the country’s priorities for the Twelfth Five-Year Plan period.

“China indeed has a closer cooperation with Pakistan than India. However, after the improvement in the bilateral relationship between China and India, we sincerely hope that we can take relations forward to have a better relationship,” said Qu Xing, an FPAG member who is also president of the China Institute of International Studies.

“The best solution,” he said, “is that we should try to have such a kind of cooperation [with India] equal to that of China and Pakistan”, indicating that China should try to restore “a balance” it struck in relations with both countries in the 1950s.

The FPAG’s comments come as China looks to re-evaluate its relationship with Pakistan against the backdrop of a changing regional environment.

With the United States announcing plans for a withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and amid recent strains between Washington and Islamabad, some analysts in China have called for a strengthening of ties between “all-weather” allies China and Pakistan.

But China has, so far, been cautious in taking forward ties with an eye on improving relations with the U.S. and India, recently rejecting suggestions from Pakistani officials that it was considering setting up a naval base in the country.

“While pursuing the further development of friendship with Pakistan, we are also working actively to promote friendship between China and India,” added Ma Zhenggang, a former Ambassador to the United Kingdom and member of the FPAG, which also includes former Ambassador to India Zhou Gang.

“To be frank,” Mr. Ma said, “Chinese people do not wish to see suspicions from India or Pakistan concerning China’s relationship with either country.”

He expressed confidence that the long-running boundary dispute, over which 14 rounds of talks have only achieved slow progress, could be resolved peacefully. “China has settled land border disputes with all neighbours except India,” he said. “Its settlement calls for attention from both sides…As two major countries in Asia, long standing issues are negative to our bilateral cooperation.”

He said the two countries needed to create an “enabling environment” for the settlement of the issue, suggesting that its resolution “did not concern technical problems” and was more tied up in “the emotional sentiment of the people.”

Mr. Qu said China wanted better relations between India and Pakistan because it “does not wish to see tension to the west of our country.”

Since pakistan can never have an independent foreign policy,you think the same about india!!India had relations with israel and iran :) ,North korea and south korea,
.So dont underestimate the diplomatic prowess of indian foreign policy!!
 
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ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Bravo, Bravo, bravo, Why Lie, It was not Pakistan but India as it did in Siachan by cunningly taking part of Pakistan territory and started and Kargil was aftermath of it, A reminder that Kashmir is a disputed territory and had the than Prime minister not bow down to foreign pressure Pakistan would have taught a lesson to India. As per Musharaf book Indian were cowered when after the agreement of withdrawal they shot at soldiers from behind and that is when most Pakistanis were martyred, what a cowered way to fight shooting from behind, I guess they could not fight face to face.

china is not interested in wars as they know that they will dominate world if it is in peace by their exports, but if china feel it is being encircles it will rise to the challenge as it did by issuing warnings about invasion of Pakistan.

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/05/us-attacks-pakistan-pakistan-forces-to-be-alert/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

Asking for better military ties a ploy to keep enemy guessing as it benefits knowing about the maneuverings of the enemy Army.
 
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bravo

Banned
Bravo, Bravo, bravo, Why Lie, It was not Pakistan but India as it did in Siachan by cunningly taking part of Pakistan territory and started and Kargil was aftermath of it, A reminder that Kashmir is a disputed territory and had the than Prime minister not bow down to foreign pressure Pakistan would have taught a lesson to India. As per Musharaf book Indian were cowered when after the agreement of withdrawal they shot at soldiers from behind and that is when most Pakistanis were martyred, what a cowered way to fight shooting from behind, I guess they could not fight face to face.

china is not interested in wars as they know that they will dominate world if it is in peace by their exports, but if china feel it is being encircles it will rise to the challenge as it did by issuing warnings about invasion of Pakistan.

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/05/us-attacks-pakistan-pakistan-forces-to-be-alert/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

Asking for better military ties a ploy to keep enemy guessing as it benefits knowing about the maneuverings of the enemy Army.

Pakistan is not at par with india in any field...plz go and beat taliban mess!pakistan cant figth an all out war for 45 days
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2141883.ece
I would not like to comment about india pakistan relation here!!China india relations will go smoothly and india will be the only nation in 1-2 decades who will continue to enjoy western technology and american and chinese appeasement simultaneosuly.
China wont come to help of pakistan..And pakistan is at wars with taliban for last 10 years!!China is wary of islamic terrorism in western china...

China will even back india to become Security council permanent memberl;if the resolution comes in the house and if every other p5 members support india (no doubt it will try the resolution dont come into house)
 
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Jodhra

Citizen
After reading Canadian's post, adage of "old wine in a new bottle" comes to my mind... The whole article is based on the theory of the infamous "NEW WORLD ORDER" which was supposedly to be acted upon the end of WWII but I guess they did not factor in Murphy's law....
As far as China's interest in Pakistan goes, China is being smart by first giving aid/ soft loans for infrastrutural projects and then securing the contracts for construction of the same projects.... thus having its cake and eating it too which is unlike the US who just gives aid and doesn't ask how and where it is used / abused....

China also recognises that all these projects namely Karakoram Highway, Gwader port to name a few would ultimately be in their favour as these are important cogs in their warm water doctrine.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: FW: Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

See the links
http://www.businessghana.com/portal/..._id=&id=148008




http://tribune.com.pk/story/193423/c...es-with-india/

China dont have good relations with india as it has with pakistan..so what does this quoted article tell you ??
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2132123.ece


Since pakistan can never have an independent foreign policy,you think the same about india!!India had relations with israel and iran :) ,North korea and south korea,
.So dont underestimate the diplomatic prowess of indian foreign policy!!

Dont 'over' estimate yourself.We know your real worth like the back of our hand.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pakistan is not at par with india in any field...plz go and beat taliban mess!pakistan cant figth an all out war for 45 days
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2141883.ece
I would not like to comment about india pakistan relation here!!China india relations will go smoothly and india will be the only nation in 1-2 decades who will continue to enjoy western technology and american and chinese appeasement simultaneosuly.
China wont come to help of pakistan..And pakistan is at wars with taliban for last 10 years!!China is wary of islamic terrorism in western china...

China will even back india to become Security council permanent memberl;if the resolution comes in the house and if every other p5 members support india (no doubt it will try the resolution dont come into house)

Cheeni and Indians were bhai bhai's before China snatched (62000) Km of it's territory from India.China wont help Pakistan !! Wishful thinking.Anyways,we dont want anybodys help,we will solve our own problems created by "others".Keep on day dreaming till you go to"real"sleep.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
After reading Canadian's post, adage of "old wine in a new bottle" comes to my mind... The whole article is based on the theory of the infamous "NEW WORLD ORDER" which was supposedly to be acted upon the end of WWII but I guess they did not factor in Murphy's law....
As far as China's interest in Pakistan goes, China is being smart by first giving aid/ soft loans for infrastrutural projects and then securing the contracts for construction of the same projects.... thus having its cake and eating it too which is unlike the US who just gives aid and doesn't ask how and where it is used / abused....

China also recognises that all these projects namely Karakoram Highway, Gwader port to name a few would ultimately be in their favour as these are important cogs in their warm water doctrine.

Why all these projects are a pain in your *** ?? You will never be able to achieve your "Akhand Bharat"dream.It's another Bollywood movie.Who is the lead actor.......Salman Khan I guess....HA HA HA......lol
 

Jodhra

Citizen
Akhand Bharat !!!Well that too was a part of the New world order... do take "was" into account....... I suggest you do some research and don't forget to cross check as it'll enable you not to look as a fool that you are sadly being here. Oh now I get it, you just one of those cut n paste artists who don't have enough inteligence to argue as that would require some brains..... your natural instict is to go on offensive as that is supposedly the best defence..... grow up kiddo
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
There is no need to take this article seriously. Reasons:

1. No body in US takes him seriously, now a days he regularly appears only in Alex Jones channels. That shows his allegiance and skewed view points.

2. Remember he is one of those guys believed the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

So he will be the natural ally to Pakistan which is mother of all conspiracy theories.
 

Zionist Hindu

Senator (1k+ posts)
India and china have 5000 years of relationship behind them. i don't think any of them will be so stupid to wage a war, when we all know that the result will be distructon of both nation. Trade between indian and china is nearing 100 billion which is going to grow a lot in future. Indins are chinese are both pragmatic nations so i don't think there will be any wars in future.
 

ASQR1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Only truth, I doubt it, only reverse psychology may be, but in crude manners. your deduction are based on your mindset which has been developed by your surroundings due partly to prejudices so prevalent in India. once blaring example is`-

Your judiciary decides to bandar bant the holy mosque destroyed by thugs and your judiciary awarded the thugs.

You have been interference in Pakistani affairs pre and post partition is noted carefully, Pakistani is gaining great experience of war, so do not go hogwash about research as research is lacking on your part because due to your prejudices you see thing with glasses afforded to you by Indian prejudices.

So go do the real research because equating Indian prejudices and interference policies cannot the matched to With western designs of cold war and had nothing to do with it, only Indian on web try to mix things for their strange styles of seeing things when they are not seen by others.
 

BrotherKantu

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
India and china have 5000 years of relationship behind them. i don't think any of them will be so stupid to wage a war, when we all know that the result will be distructon of both nation. Trade between indian and china is nearing 100 billion which is going to grow a lot in future. Indins are chinese are both pragmatic nations so i don't think there will be any wars in future.

Well,!! China do have a 5000 years of experiance behind them and they know this LaLa is not a friend of his mother either.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: FW: Will Washington foment war between China and India? !!

I believe in every word that article says.Whatever you are saying is your personal opinion but the facts are otherwise !!

So thats why China is making friends with India and signing defense treaties to shut out the US.

I understand now.

Now can China prevent the zionist Indian govt from war, which has already gone in bed with the Americans and Jewish weapon manufacturing corporates? Thats something to see.

In case of nuke war between India and China, Pakistan, another nuke can not and should not sit idle. Pakistan will first try to bring peace between India/China, failing which Pak has to side with China. In this case India will loose more rapidly since she has to face nukes from the two sides.

Nukes will kill over about 3B people including China, India, Southern Russia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar with either direct hit or by wind carrying radioactive dusts

may Allah protect us all, whether the innocents Chinese , Indians, Pakistanis or anyone else. Ameen
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Akhand Bharat !!!Well that too was a part of the New world order... do take "was" into account....... I suggest you do some research and don't forget to cross check as it'll enable you not to look as a fool that you are sadly being here. Oh now I get it, you just one of those cut n paste artists who don't have enough inteligence to argue as that would require some brains..... your natural instict is to go on offensive as that is supposedly the best defence..... grow up kiddo

Grapes are sour.If you see threads above,everything is crystral clear.However,if you guys keep your eyes shut like an owl........well then that's what you are.Keep on ranting illogical and foolish comments and dont use your brains.Just disappear from this Pakistani site and find an Indian one.....lol
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Grapes are sour.If you see threads above,everything is crystral clear.However,if you guys keep your eyes shut like an owl........well then that's what you are.Keep on ranting illogical and foolish comments and dont use your brains.Just disappear from this Pakistani site and find an Indian one.....lol

Is Jodhra an Indian? My iggy bin is overflowing