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atensari

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No need to challenge him. Only tell him to keep his sons and grand sons name Yazeed because he tells that he is jannati. Every one who tells that yazeed is jannati can name his son and grandson yazeed.


AlhamduLillah we name our sons and grandsons Abu Bkar, Umer, Usman and Ali, and we will not let anyone to use Yazeed as their starting point to abuse them.

They begin their abusing campaign from Yazeed and make ground to abuse Hazrat Mavia (R), Hazrat Mavia belong to Umaya so as Usman (R), abuse him too, Hazrat Umer and Abu Bakar are Khulafa-a-Rashid as Usman is, what wrong if we abuse them too.

Allah will decide about Yazeed, it will not make any difference to mine and yours fate, think again if you are helping enemies of Azwaj and Ashab of Muhammad SAW in their abusing campaign.
 

ummaaiirr

Citizen
Samar has asked very serious questions and is very much true on this forum. the rules are just writen there but wherever moderaters like something they let it go and if they dont like any thing they will delete that under the name that they dont want any division they want unity. they should set rules and should follow them. every thing should be discussed and then who ever is telling the truth will make its voice heard anyway.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Open Challenge!!!!
Wow man! Will Dr. Zakir Nayak accept my challenge? Get him over here and In Sha Allah we shall sort him out. Kiya Ishq Nay Samjha Hai, Kiya Husn Nay Jana Hai Hum Khaak Nasheno Ki Thokar Main Zamana Hai!

What a shame! There are Muslims who do not hesitate to defame scholars like Dr. Zakir Naik. The real problem is ignorant Ulema and their blind followers. The blind followers do not bother to use their own brain to seek the truth. These ignorant Ulema will not be able save you on the day of judgment. It is your Aamal (?????) who will save you. These ignorant Ulemas will be more worried about themselves on the day of judgment.

Dr. Zakir Naik is a Scholar of comparative religion. Hundreds of non-Muslim have accepted Islam after listening to his lectures. Non of us can compare himself with Dr. Zakir Naik's efforts toward preaching of Islam and his command in Qur'aan and Sunnah and other religions.


Dr. Zakir said "Yazeed (May Allah pleased with him)" , it had been a very disputed matter and scholars since centuries have different opinions.
Assuming he was wrong, even then you can not declare him Kafir.(As some of your ignorant Ulemas has declared him kafir). You do not become Kafir by praying for somebody. He was not cursing anybody like some of our Muslims do, he was just praying to Allah for somebody's forgiveness.

In your opinion who is better (i) the one who asks Allah for somebody's forgiveness (ii) or the one who curse (????) somebody?

Umm-al-mu'min?n
Aisha bint Abu Bakr was the last wife of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). She is thus often referred to by the title "Mother of the Believers" ??? ???????? umm-al-mu'min?n), per the description of Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) wives as "Mothers of Believers" in the Qur'an (33.6). Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA), was Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) cousin and son-in-law. In the battle of Bassorah, Ummul Momeneen Ayesha's (RA) and Ali (RA)'s army were face to face. Thousand of Muslims were killed in that battle. Finally, Ali (RA) captured Aisha (RA) but declined to harm her. He sent her back to Medina under military escort. Should we curse any of them (nauzobillah). Definitely, NOT. Allah knows best.


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The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah..
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Dr. Zakir Naik's Official response to this propaganda:

 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Samar has asked very serious questions and is very much true on this forum. the rules are just writen there but wherever moderaters like something they let it go and if they dont like any thing they will delete that under the name that they dont want any division they want unity. they should set rules and should follow them. every thing should be discussed and then who ever is telling the truth will make its voice heard anyway.

Then lets request to make the first rule for Islamic post that nobody shall quote anything outside Qur'aan and Sihah Sitta Books.

The Six Authentic Hadeeth Books (Sihah Sitta) are:

- Sahih al-Bukhari
- Sahih Muslim
- Sunan an-Nasa'i al-Sughra
- Sunan Abu Dawood
- Sunan al-Tirmidhi
- Sunan ibn Majah
 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
AlhamduLillah we name our sons and grandsons Abu Bkar, Umer, Usman and Ali, and we will not let anyone to use Yazeed as their starting point to abuse them.

They begin their abusing campaign from Yazeed and make ground to abuse Hazrat Mavia (R), Hazrat Mavia belong to Umaya so as Usman (R), abuse him too, Hazrat Umer and Abu Bakar are Khulafa-a-Rashid as Usman is, what wrong if we abuse them too.

Allah will decide about Yazeed, it will not make any difference to mine and yours fate, think again if you are helping enemies of Azwaj and Ashab of Muhammad SAW in their abusing campaign.


Dont abuse the Four Caliphs r.a by defending scoundrels like Yazeed. He is a proven filth and scoundrel and those who say that Yazeed is jannati should name their sons and grandsons Yazeed as he is a so called jannati.

I will take a firm action against you for abusing the Four Caliphs r.a. by telling that saying any thing to Yazeed will hurt the reputation of Four Caliphs. Tomorrow you will say not to say any thing to Abu Lahab because he was a relative of the Last Messenger peace be upon him. Keep your strange and wierd logic to yourself.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Then lets request to make the first rule for Islamic post that nobody shall quote anything outside Qur'aan and Sihah Sitta Books.

The Six Authentic Hadeeth Books (Sihah Sitta) are:

- Sahih al-Bukhari
- Sahih Muslim
- Sunan an-Nasa'i al-Sughra
- Sunan Abu Dawood
- Sunan al-Tirmidhi
- Sunan ibn Majah


What sort of rule is this and who made this strange rule. Never heard of it. You are starting your own new sect by declaring this because no sect does this. This shows your limited knowledge about Islam.I can bet that if you dont quote any thing out from these books then no najdi can justify all the actions of his prayers. I can bet that no one sect and any one cannot prove and justify his beliefs by not quoting the Sahih Hadees of other Hadees books. Dont try to be oversmart with the men of knowledge.


The hadees experts of those days who classified Bukhari and Muslim as Sahih have also classified the hadees of other books other than sahai sitta as sahih or zaeef. The reason for classifying Bukhari and Muslim as more authentic was because they contained more number [quantity] of sahih hadees than other books as per their opinion. But they also classified the hadees found in other books as sahih or gareeb or zaeef and so for Islamic debates the sahih or authentic hadees are quoted as reference [regardless of from which hadees book] and it is not in any way wrong. The najdis and modernists have a problem with this but it is their problem and not mine. Therefore your aspersion and insistence of finding sahih hadees only from Sahai Sitta only shows that you dont even have the basic knowledge of the study and authentification of hadees. Study of Hadees my brother is a science itself and Muhaddiseen are the people who have expertise in this alone. So anything which an Aulia Allah did is as per Quran and Sunnah and Hadees. These people only preached Quran and Hadees and that is why for centuries the muslims of the world were following Quran and Hadees and not because of the Najdis.


Just for your information the original name of Sahih Bukhari kept by Imam Bukhari r.a was al-Jaami’ al-Sahih al-Musnad al-Mukhtasar min Umur Rasool Allah wa sunanihi wa Ayyamihi and it was changed to Sahih Bukhari by the same later era hadees experts and not by Imam Bukhari r.a. Imam Bukhari had written several Hadees books and not only Sahih Bukhari. For him all those Hadees in his other books were also Sahih. So these issues of sahih hadees and zaeef hadees has already been dealt with by hadees experts centuries ago.


 
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Noor-e-Qalb

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I also have one question to the MOds of this forum,

Why u deleted my this post " Wohi Noor-e-Haq" by saying it is full of Shirk??????


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I would prefer to refrain from entering into any sort sectarian clash here but a few people are vigorously defending yazid here so would like to mention a few edicts:-

The Ulema of Ahlul Sunnah deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed
The Fiqh Imams deemed cursing Yazeed to be an act of worship



Ibn Khalikan in Wafayaath page 412 whilst discussing the biography of the Shafii scholar Abu Hassan bin Ali bin Muhammad bin Ali al Tabari al Amadadeen al Maroof al Bakeeya al Iraas al Shafeeya, states that:
He (the above) was once asked Can Yazeed who was born during the Khilafat of Hadhrath Umar be counted as a Companion, and what have the Salaf elders said in relation to cursing him?

He replied, There are two statements of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal on this; one is an indication (that you can), the other direct (both that you can). These two views were also given by Imam Malik and by Imam Abu Hanifa. We (those who follow imam Shafiis fatwas) have only one fatwa in this regard, that it is permissible to curse Yazeed, he should be cursed since he used to play chess, would hunt with Cheetahs and drank alcohol.




Allamah Taftazani said Yazeed was worthy of more than just cursing

We read in Sharh Muqassad:
The harms that were inflicted on the Ahlul bayt after the Sahaba are acts that cannot be covered up. These acts were so heinous that they cannot be hidden all including animals testify to their suffering. Their pain was such that the earth and skies shed tears and beat themselves when their suffering is retold and retelling this shall continue until the Day of Judgement. May Allahs curse be upon those that perpetuated injustices, and those that helped them (to carry out these acts). The curse on these individuals shall be even greater in the next world. If some Ulema are opposed to cursing, then it should be known that Yazeed deserves more than just cursing.


Allamah Baghdadis Fatwa Yazeed denied the Prophethood, to curse him is an act of Ibadath

We read in Tafseer Ruh al Maani page 72 commentary of Surah Muhammad:
The wicked Yazeed failed to testify to the Prophethood of Hadhrath Muhammad (s). He also perpetrated acts against the residents of Makka, Medina and the family of the Prophet (s). He indulged in these acts against them during their lives and after their deaths. These acts are so conclusively proven that had he placed the Quran in his hands it would have testified to his kuffar. His being a fasiq and fajir did not go unnoticed by the Ulema of Islam, but the Salaf had no choice but to remain silent as they were living under threat.

If we for arguments sake accept that Yazeed was a Muslim who lapsed and committed wrongs, one should know that a man of the rank of Alusi deemed it permissible to curse him by name as he [Yazeed] was a living example of atrocious acts and it is a well-known fact that he never sought forgiveness for killing the family of the Prophet (s) and other acts. The claim that he asked for forgiveness is even weaker than the claim that he possessed iman. When cursing him the names of Ibn Ziyad and Umar bin Sad should also be added, may Allahs curse be on them all curse till the Day of Judgement, until then our eyes shall shed tears for Husayns suffering.

If someone does not wish to curse by name through fear [that they might be wrong, such as Ghazali], then he should say May Gods curse be upon those that were pleased at Husayns killing, those that subjected sufferings on the family of the Prophet, who usurped their rights when making such a curse Yazeeds name comes to the top of the list.

No one can oppose this method of cursing save Ibn Arabi and his like minded supporters and this is major misguidance on their part it is worse that the misguidance of Yazeed.




The Fatwas of Qadhi Abu Yaala and Abu Husayn deeming it permissible to curse Yazeed

Ibn Kathir writes in Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah:
Whoever frightens Medina incurs the wrath of Allah, His Angels and all the people. Those people who deem it permissible to curse Yazeed bin Muawiyah deem this and other similar kinds of hadiths as base and this tradition is from Ahmad ibn Hanbal and have been taken by Alkhilal, Abu Bakr Abdul Aziz, Qadhi Abu Laila and his son Qadhi Abul Husayn. Abul Faraj Ibn Jauzi wrote a seperate book deeming it permissible to curse Yazeed.
Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah









Al Suyuti personally cursed Yazeed

In Tareekh ul Khulafa page 208, Dhikr Shahadath Husayn we read as follows:
Allahs curse be opon all three Ibn Ziyad, Yazeed and the killer of Imam Hussain
Tareekh ul Khulafa



Qadhi Thanaullah Panee Pathee deemed it permissible to curse the kaafir Yazeed

We read in Tafseer Mazhari Volume 5 page 21, under the commentary of Surah Ibrahim verse 28 as follows:
The Banu Umayya were initially kaafir, then some of them presented themselves as Muslim. Yazeed then became a kaafir. The Banu Umayya maintained their enmity towards the family of the Prophet, and killed Husayn in a cruel manner. The kaafir Yazeed committed kufr in relation to the Deen of Muhammad proven by the fact that at the time of the killing of Husayn he made a pointed reference to avenging the deaths of his kaafir ancestors slain in Badr. He acted against the family of Muhammad (s), Banu Hashim and in his drunken state he praised the Banu Umayya and cursed the Banu Hashim from the pulpit.

Yazeeds actions that mean that he turned to apostasy is within itself grounds for deeming him to be cursed.




The Fatwa of Imam Ahmad that Yazeed has been cursed in the Quran

We also read in Tafeer Mazhari as follows:
Qadhi Abu Yaala in his own book al Muthamud al Usul that Saleh Ibn Hanbal asked his father Ahmad: Some people state, We are the friends of Yazeed. Abu Hanifa replied If people have faith in Allah, then it is unlikely that they also have faith in Yazeed, and why should they for this is a man that has been cursed in the Quran. I asked Where is Yazeed cursed in the Quran? He replied Have fear� when spread Fitnah through the land these are people that Allah has cursed can there be a greater fitnah that killing Husayn?




The Fatwa of Ibn Jauzi Hadith can testify to the fact that Yazeed can be cursed

In Tadhkira Khawaas Ibn Jauzi al Hanafi states
If someone states that the Prophet of Allah had blessed those that partook in the conquest of Caesars city, then we will reply by pointing out that the Prophet of Allah (s) said whoever frightens Medina is cursed. This incorporates Yazeed and abrogates the first hadith.
Very logical too.



The Shaafi Ulema deem it permissible to curse Yazeed

We should point out that Ghazzali was an adherent of the Shaafi madhab. Another Shaafi scholar Allamah Alusi set out the viewpoint of the Shaafi Ulema on this topic as follows:
Amongst the Shaafis we are in agreement that it is permissible to curse Yazeed
Haseeya Nabraas page 551




Imam Saaduddin Taftazani deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed and he personally did so


Imam of Ahle Sunnah Saaduddin Taftazani also cursed and issued takfeer against Yazeed, as recorded by Imam Ibn Emaad Hanbali (d. 1089 H) as well as by Allamah Mahmood Alusi under the commentary of 47:22-23:



نتوقف في شأنه بل في كفره وإيمانه لعنة الله عليه وعلى أنصاره وأعوانه


'We don't delay in his (Yazeed's) case, not even in his kufr and faith, may Allah curse him, his supporters and his helpers'
1. Shadharat al Dhahab, Volume 1 pages 68-69
2. Tafseer Ruh al-Ma'ani, Volume 26 page 72


Shafiyee scholar Shaykh Sulaiman bin Muhammad bin Umar al-Bejarmi (d. 1221 H) while referring to Imam Saduddin Taftazanis authority work Sharah Aqaid records:



وفي شرح عقائد السعد يجوز لعن يزيد

According to Sharh Aqaid al-Saad, it is permissible to curse Yazeed
Hashyat al-Bejarmi, Volume 12 page 369


In his book Sharah Maqasid, Imam Saaduddin Taftazani stated:

The injustices perpetuated against Ahlulbayt are so clear that no one can deny themmay Allah curse those who committed injustices against themif they say that there are some scholars who dont allow the cursing of Yazeed whilst the acknowledge he is worthy of it, we say that he deserves ithow can such legitimacy remain unclear to them? how can there be no agreement on this?




Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti personally cursed Yazeed


Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti is also one of those prestigious Sunni scholars who personally cursed Yazeed, we read in Tareekh Khulafa:


"Allah's curse be upon all three Ibn Ziyad, Yazeed and the killer of Imam Hussain"
Tareekh ul Khulafa




Imam Shawkani personally cursed Yazeed


Imam Showkani who enjoys authority amongst the Salafi cult also cursed Yazeed. We read in Nail al-Awtar, Volume 7 page 201:



الخمير السكير الهاتك لحرم الشريعة المطهرة يزيد بن معاوية لعنهم الله

The alcoholic drunk, who disgraced the pure divine law, Yazeed bin Mu'awiya may Allah curse him
Nail al-Awtar, Volume 7 page 201




Hanafi Imam Mullah Ali Qari deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed


While answering a question over whether it is permissible to curse Muawiyah, Imam of Ahle Sunnah Mullah Ali Qari replied:

"It is not permissible but it is permissible to curse Yazeed, Ibn Ziyad and their likes. [Sharah Shifa, Volume 2 page 556]"





Abul Faraj Ibn Jauzi wrote a separate book deeming it permissible to curse Yazeed".
Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah


Similarly Imam Abdulrauf al-Munawi in his authority work Faidh al-Qadir Sharah Jami al-Saghir, Volume 1 page 204 stated:



قال أبو الفرج بن الجوزي في كتابه الرد على المتعصب العنيد المانع من ذم يزيد أجاز العلماء الورعون لعنه

"Abu al-Faraj bin al-Jauzi stated in his book 'al-Rad ala al-Mutasib al-Aneed al-M'ane men zam Yazeed' that the pious scholars allowed cursing him"
Faidh al-Qadir, Volume 1 page 204 Tradition 281





Moreover Shaykh Sulaiman bin Muhammad bin Umar al-Bejarmi (d. 1221 H) also testified:



قال ابن الجوزي : أجاز العلماء الورعون لعن يزيد وصنف في إباحة لعنه مصنفا

Ibn al-Jauzi said: The pious scholars permitted the cursing of Yazeed and he wrote a book about its permissibility
Hashyat al-Bejarmi, Volume 12 page 369


Now for the pathetic argument that a modern day publishing house has not recorded the name of this book along with the names of the books written by Imam Ibn Jauzi, we should point out that the following esteem biographical Sunni works confirm that the book under discussion was authored by Imam Ibn Jauzi:
1. Kashf al-Zunun, by Haji Khalifa, v1, p839
2. Hidyat al-Arafeen, by Allamah Ismail Pasha Baghdadi, v1, p521
3. Mu'ajam al-Moalafeen, by Umar Raza Kahala, v6, p178




As a final slap in the ugly face , Al-Rad ala al-Mutaseb al-Aneed Al-Manee men Zam Yazeed (The answer to the stubborn fanatic who prevents the cursing Yazeed) revised by a Sunni shcolar Dr. Haytham Abdulsalam Muhammad:
Al-Rad ala al-Mutaseb al-Aneed Al-Manee men Zam Yazeed (published in Beruit)




Al-Khilal, Abu Bakr Abdul Aziz, Qadhi Abu Yala and Qadhi Abul Husayn deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed



Ibn Kathir writes in Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah:

"Whoever frightens Madina incurs the wrath of Allah, His Angels and all the people". Those people who deem it permissible to curse Yazeed bin Muawiyah deem this and other similar kinds of hadiths as a base and this tradition is from Ahmad ibn Hanbal and has been taken by Al-Khilal, Abu Bakr Abdul Aziz, Qadhi Abu Yala and his son Qadhi Abul Hussain. Abul Faraj Ibn Jauzi wrote a separate book deeming it permissible to curse Yazeed".
Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah


Regarding the view of Qadhi Abu al-Hussain mentioned by Ibn Kathir, Shaykh Kamaluddin Damiri in his book Hayaat ul Haywaan, Volume 2 page 174 has elaborated the same:



وقال القاضي أبو الحسين محمد بن القاضي أبي يعلى بن الفراء الحنبلي - وقد صنف كتابا فيه بيان من يستحق اللعن وذكر فيهم يزيد : الممتنع من لعن يزيد إما أن يكون غير عالم بجواز ذلك ، أو منافقا يريد أن يوهم بذلك ، وربما استفز الجهال بقوله (ص) : المؤمن لا يكون لعانا ، وهذا محمول على من لا يستحق اللعن


The Qadhi Abul Hussain Muhammad bin al-Qadhi Abu Y'ala al-Faraa al-Hanbali wrote a book about those who deserve to be cursed and he included Yazeed and said: Who ever forbids cursing Yazeed must be unaware of the lawfulness of cursing him or he is a hypocrite who wants to give the false impression and maybe he gives false impression to the ignorant ones by (the prophets (s)) statement: The believer never curses while this (tradition) is about those who dont deserve to be cursed.





Amr bin Bahr al-Laythi (d. 255 H) deemed Yazeed to be an accursed


One of the early Sunni scholars Amr bin Bahr al-Laythi (d. 255 H) popularly known as Al-Jahidh stated in his book Al-Risalah al-Hadyia Ashar, page 398:



المنكرات التي اقترفها يزيد من قتل الحسين وحمله بنات رسول الله (ص) سبايا ، وقرعه ثنايا الحسين بالعود ، وإخافته أهل المدينة ، وهدم الكعبة ، تدل على القسوة والغلظة ، والنصب ، وسوء الرأي ، والحقد والبغضاء والنفاق والخروج عن الايمان ، فالفاسق ملعون ، ومن نهى عن شتم الملعون فملعون.


"The evil deed which Yazeed committed by killing Hussain and took the daughters of Allah's messenger as slaves and hit the lips of Hussain's (head) with the stick and scared the people of Madina and destroyed the Ka'aba, shows that he (Yazeed) was rough, stone hearted, Nasibi, possessed bad thoughts, venom, hatred, hypocrite, was out of the pale of faith, Fasiq and an accursed, and who ever forbid cursing the accursed is himself an accursed person."





Ahmad bin Sulayman bin Kamal al-Hanafi (d. 944 H) deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed


Another Hanafi scholar namely Ahmad bin Sulayman bin Kamal al-Hanafi (d. 944 H) deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed. Imam Abdulrauf al-Munawi in his authority work Faidh al-Qadir Sharah Jami al-Saghir, Volume 1 page 204 stated:




ثم قال المولى ابن الكمال والحق أن لعن يزيد على اشتهار كفره وتواتر فظاعته وشره على ما عرف بتفاصيله جائز


"Mawula ibn al-Kamal said: 'The truth that cursing is lawful though its popularly known that he is a kafir and his horribleness and evil deeds are successively narrated in detail'"
Faidh al-Qadir, Volume 1 page 204 Tradition 281




Imams of Bukhara such as Imam Quwamuddin al-Safari, Ibrahim bin Zahid and Imam Tahir bin Ahmed deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed



The book Khulasa tul Fatawa authored by Shaykh Imam Tahir bin Ahmed bin Abdul Rasheed al-Bukhari is deemed as one of the most prestigious edict works in the Hanafi school of thought (d. 542 H). He states in Volume 4 page 390:

One should curse Yazeed bin Muawiyah and likewise Hajjaj. I heard Shaykh Al-Imam Al-Zahid Quamuddin al-Safari narrating from his father that it is permissible to curse him. He used to say: There is no harm in cursing Yazeed.




Imam Quamuddin al-Safari (d. 576) has been introduced in the following words by Imam Abdul Hai Lucknawi:

Shaykh ul Islam, Imam of the Imams, unique in subjects pertaining to religion be it related to Usool or Furu and a Mujtahid of his time
Al-Fawaid al-Bahiyah, page 32


Whilst he relied upon his fathers edict regarding the permissibility to curse Yazeed, the said individual was himself acknowledged as a notable scholars of his era. He was Imam Ibrahmi bin Ismaeel popularly known as al-Zahid al-Safari (d. 534). He was a contemporary of Imam Ghazzali and was a teacher of Imam Hassan bin Mansur Qadhi Khan the author of the famous Fatawa Qadhi Khan. Imam Samani in his authority work Al-Ansab has recounted him in the following manner:




إماماً زاهداً ورعاً


His entire family was known for their knowledge and piety, a fact acknowledged by Allamah Abdul Qadir Qarshi in Al-Jawahir al-Muziyah fi Taabqat al-Hanafiya page 32 who stated:




أهل بيت علما وفضلا

Family of scholars and qualified ones


As Imam Tahir, the author of Khulasa tul Fatawa has relied upon the above cited edict in the latter part and did not submit any evidence to contradict it, one can safely deduce that all three Imams of Bukhara namely Imam Tahir bin Ahmed bin Abdul Rasheed al-Bukhari (d. 542 H), Imam Quamuddin Hammad bin Ibrahim al-Safari al-Bukhari (d. 576) and Imam Ibrahim bin Ismaeel popularly known as al-Zahid al-Safari (d. 534) all deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed.




Imam Abdulrauf al-Munawi in his authority work Faidh al-Qadir, Volume 1 page 204 has also recorded the edict of Imam Quwam al-Deen al-Safari:




قال ابن الكمال وحكى عن الإمام قوام الدين الصفاري ولا بأس بلعن يزيد

Ibn al-Kamal narrated that Imam Quwam al-Deen al-Safari who said: 'There is no harm in cursing Yazeed'
Faidh al-Qadir, Volume 1 page 204 Tradition 281




Imam Ibn Bazzaz al-Kurdari al-Hanafi deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed


Shaykh Imam Hafizuddin Muhammad bin Muhammad ibn Shahab popularly known as Ibn Bazzaz al-Kurdari al-Hanafi (d. 827 H) states in Fatawa Bazzazia, Volume 6 page 344:


It is permissible to curse Yazeed and likewise Hajjaj but it is better to refrain from doing so, it is narrated from Imam Quamuddin al-Safari that there is no problem in cursing YazeedKurdari states that the truth is the popular position with regards to the Kufr of Yazeed coupled with the Mutawatur reports of his evil acts, the details of which are known, supports him being cursed





Shaykh Abdulrahman bin Yusuf al-Ajhwari's Takfeer agasint Yazeed


Shaykh Abdullah bin Muhammad al-Shebrawi (d. 1172 H) who the in year 1137 H was the Sheikh at Al-Azhar University recorded the folllowing about Shaykh Abdulrahman bin Yusuf al-Ajhwari al-Maliki (d. 960 H) in his book al-Itehaf Behub al-Ashraf, page 69:




وقال العلاّمة الاَجهوريّ: اختار الاِمام محمـّد بن عرفة والمحقّقون من أتباعه كفر الحجّاج، ولا شكّ أنّ جريمته كجريمة يزيد، بل دونها

Allamah Ajhwari said: 'Imam Muhammad bin Arafa and the scholars who followed him chose to consider Hajaj as kafir and there is no doubt that his (Hajaj's) crime is similar to Yazeed's crime, nay its less'.





Abu al-Barakat al-Demashqi al-Shafiyee (d. 871 H) himself cursed Yazeed


Abu al-Barakat Muhammad bin Ahmad al-Demashqi al-Shafiyee (d. 871 H) was also among those Sunni scholars who personally cursed Yazeed. He stated in his book Jawahir al-Matalib, Volume 2 page 272:



يزيد لعنه الله

"May Allah curse Yazeed"





Imam Abu Bakar al-Jassas deemed Yazeed as Laeen


One of the most prominent Hanafi Imams namely Abu Bakar Ahmed Ali al-Razi al-Jassas (d. 370 H) recalled Yazeed in the following manner in his authority work Ahkam al-Quran, Volume 3 page 154:


After the four caliphs, the companions ofthe Prophet (s) participated in Jihad alongside Fasiq leaders, thus Abu Ayub Ansari participated in Jihad with Yazeed Laeen.
Ahkam al-Quran al-Jassas,Volume 3




Ibn Hajar Asqalani's views regarding those that praise Yazeed



The statement by one of the most esteemed Sunni Imams Ibn Hajar Asqalani regarding the one who praises Yazeed is quite serious



وأما المحبة فيه والرفع من شأنه فلا تقع إلا من مبتدع فاسد الاعتقاد فإنه كان فيه من الصفات ما يقتضي سلب الإيمان عمن يحبه لأن الحب في الله والبغض في الله من الإيمان والله المستعان


'Loving and glorifying him is not done except by a heretic who has void belief because he (Yazeed) had such characteristics that his lover deserves to be faithless, because to love and hate just in the sake of God is the sign of faith'
Al-Emta bil al-Arbaeen, page 96



In the year 64 Hijri the forces of Yazid attacked Mecca against Hazrat Abdullah bin Zubair R.A. Fire was rained down on Mecca from the outside with catapults with the result that Ka'ba covering cloth was burnt and the walls were damaged.


[Book on Fazail e Hajj,Page 33,Fazail e Aamal by Moulvi zakariya]

In the well-known battle of Harrah in the year 63 A.H. between the forces of Yazid and the people of Madina, the people of Madina were so filled with fear that many of them fled and dispersed. Some remained in their homes, while the horses of Yazid 's armies roamed around in the Masjid. It was such a battle wherein 1700 strong Muhaajereen and Ansaar were killed and more than 10,000 civilians lost their lives apart from women and children (see Wafaa)
During that period Hazrat Ibn Musayyib R.A. found himself completely alone in the Masjid at times. He says: "For days on end no one else entered the Masjid for all that time; I heard the Azaan and the Iqaamat from the grave of Rasulullah Sal'am. (Khasa'is kubra)

[Book on Fazail e Hajj ,Page 107,Fazail e Aamal by Moulvi zakariya]
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Quraan: "And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger pbuh"

What sort of rule is this and who made this strange rule. Never heard of it.


The reason for requesting to restrict to quoting Quraan and Siha Sitta only is that first of all it is basically a Siasi forum. Secondly, the moderators are not Aalim to judge whether somebody is posting an unauthentic or fabricated Hadeeth. Hence by allowing anything to quote from which ever source will do more harm than good. This request is according to Qurran and authentic Hadeeths:

1. Allaah says: "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e., this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves." Surah Aali-`Imraan [3:103]

2. And He says:
"And do not be among the polytheists. Of those who split up their religion and became sects, each sect rejoicing in that which is with it." Surat-ur-Room [30:31-32]

3.
"And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger (pbuh), if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is more suitable for final determination." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:59].

refer it back to Allah = Quraan
His Messenger = Sunnah pbuh (Hadeeths)

4. And He also says:
"But no, by your Lord, they can have no Eemaan (Faith), until they make you (O Muhammad) a judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:65].

5.
"O you who believe! Do not be forward in the presence of Allaah and His Messenger and fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing." Surat-ul-Hujuraat [49:1].

6. The Messenger of Allaah said:
"I counsel you to have Taqwaa of Allaah and to hear and obey, even if an Abyssinian slave were to command you. For, verily, whoever amongst you lives (to grown old), he will see many differences. So stick to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided khaleefahs. Cling tightly onto it and hold onto it with your molar teeth. And beware of newly invented matters. For, indeed, every newly invented matter is an innovation, and every innovation is a thing that leads astray, and everything that leads astray is in the Hellfire." (An authentic hadeeth reported by Abu Dawood and others.)

7. Ibn Mas'ood said:
"The Messenger of Allaah drew a line for us and then said: 'This is the Straight Path of Allaah.' And he drew lines on the left and right of it, and then said: 'These are paths of which there is not one except that there is a devil upon it calling towards it.' Then he recited the statements of Allaah (Surat-ul-Ana'aam [3:153]): 'And verily, this is My Straight Path, so follow it, and do not follow (other) paths for they will separate you away from His path." (An authentic hadeeth recorded by Ahmad and An-Nasaa'ee.)

I would again request moderators to make the first rule for Islamic post that nobody shall quote anything outside Qur'aan and Sihah Sitta Books.


The Six Authentic Hadeeth Books (Sihah Sitta) are:

- Sahih al-Bukhari
- Sahih Muslim
- Sunan an-Nasa'i al-Sughra
- Sunan Abu Dawood
- Sunan al-Tirmidhi
- Sunan ibn Majah
 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Quraan: "And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger pbuh"

The reason first of all it is basically a Siasi forum. Secondly, the moderators are not Aalim to judge whether somebody is posting an unauthentic or fabricated Hadeeth. Hence by allowing anything to quote from which ever source will do more harm than good. This request is according to Qurran and authentic Hadeeths:

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No there is no such thing or sect in this world of any so called Sunni that can prove all his beliefs from Sahai Sitta alone. Dont try to act oversmart. There is no mention in the Quran that only Sahih Hadees from Sahai Sitta r to be quoted or used. There r quite a few Hadees even in Sahai Sitta which have been classified as gareeb or zaeef. Everyone wants to hold fast the rope of Allah and you r using these Ayats and Hadees only for your sinister motives.

The Sunni Shia division and other such divisions r unfortunate but these r now ground realities and all of them r considered muslims. Every one says that they r holding the rope of Allah. The only solution is to bear one another and avoid abusing others or imposing ones beliefs on the others. We have been debating on Islamic issues for last month or so and all the things which you considered as biddah have been proven by me and other friends as permissible acts and beliefs from Quran and authentic Hadees. So again I am telling that the only solution is to bear and tolerate one another and avoid abusing others or imposing ones beliefs on the others. If you dont agree with this then I can continue debating.
 
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cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Cheeko bhai , dont call me sir , i am 17 years old , call me cefspan bro or bhai please.


I have emailed them regarding the reason but no answer till now.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Cheeko bhai , dont call me sir , i am 17 years old , call me cefspan bro or bhai please.


I have emailed them regarding the reason but no answer till now.

Ok sir bhai. Yesterday when comunicator mod deleted one of my non sectarian posts of your thread I inquired from him the reason for deleting my post and he told that it is sectarian. Then I highlighted that actually its the other member who has posted sectarian material above my post and he has been doing it constantly so why havent you deleted his post. He replied that I have closed the thread. Can you believe this riduculous answer. He instead of deleting his post closed the thread but just a few minutes ago in the same thread he deleted my non sectarian post by calling it sectarian.

 

hans

Banned
Its nice to see a Democratic way been adapted to discuss these sensitive issues.

Whabbi or Salfi maslak should have a heart for other sect. Being Violent or practicing supremacist behavior is not the right path.

Before 1905 who governed the Two Holy City, was it Whabbi?
Now look at Kabba and see the surrounding area ... I am very sorry it looks more like Las Vages.

Why do you need to dismantle Macca to its bone and create New and flashy buildings upon buildings with its history been inhalation on war footings.

If all the land marks of Both Medina and Macca stood up-to 1905 why its now so Islamic to demolish it?

I do understand the desire and love for one, to empower one self on others. But remember nothing will or can stand for long. History is bent upon recovering it self in a cyclic manner.

One day its you .... on others its some one else. Why create such barrier that the only remnant left in the pages of History be Hate.

Or better let These two Holy Cities be run under a Union of Islamic federation.
 

Dear Brothers........
Really Disappointed to see Sectarian Conflicts...especially when our motto must be "Itehad, Eeman, Taneem.." just want to share Iqbal with you people...

Zara se Baat the, Andesha E Ajum ne...
Barha Diya Ha Faqat Zab e Dastan K Liye..



Firqa bandi hai kahin, aur kahin zaaten hain.
Kya zamane mein panpaneki yehi baaten hain?


Shor hai ho gaye duniya se musalmaan naabood,
Hum yeh kahte hain ke the bhi kahin Muslim maujood?

Munfait ek hai is qaum ki, nuqsaan bhi ek,
Ek hi sab ka nabi, din bhi, imaan bhi ek,

Harm-e-paak bhi, Allah bhi, Quran bhi ek,
Kuchh bari baat thi hote jo musalmaan bhi ek

_______________
Firqa bandi hai kahin, aur kahin zaaten hain.
Kya zamane mein panpaneki yehi baaten hain?




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Shor hai ho gaye duniya se musalmaan naabood,
Hum yeh kahte hain ke the bhi kahin Muslim maujood?

Waza mein tum ho nisari, tau tamuddan mein Hanood,
Yeh musalmaan hain! Jinhen dekh ke sharmain Yahud?



پابندي تقدير کہ پابندي احکام
يہ مسئلہ مشکل نہيں اے مرد خرد مند
تقدير کے پابند نباتات و جمادات
مومن فقط احکام الہي کا ہے پابند
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Cheeko Bhai , Have u read khilafat and malaoukiat? by molana abullala maoudidi , i am of the opinion (and also think that u will be ) that our Prophet SAW left us with Caliphate , not Monarchism and Kingship ...
THe current King of saudi arabia is monarch , a king , there should have been a chosen khalifah (like Hazrat Abu Bakar , OMAR,OSMAN,Ali R.A)
...

Please start a new thread regarding it.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Its nice to see a Democratic way been adapted to discuss these sensitive issues.

Whabbi or Salfi maslak should have a heart for other sect. Being Violent or practicing supremacist behavior is not the right path.

Before 1905 who governed the Two Holy City, was it Whabbi?
Now look at Kabba and see the surrounding area ... I am very sorry it looks more like Las Vages.

Why do you need to dismantle Macca to its bone and create New and flashy buildings upon buildings with its history been inhalation on war footings.

If all the land marks of Both Medina and Macca stood up-to 1905 why its now so Islamic to demolish it?

I do understand the desire and love for one, to empower one self on others. But remember nothing will or can stand for long. History is bent upon recovering it self in a cyclic manner.

One day its you .... on others its some one else. Why create such barrier that the only remnant left in the pages of History be Hate.

Or better let These two Holy Cities be run under a Union of Islamic federation.

Our first and foremost responsibility is to check "How we look alike" in our personal, family, social and national lives are we closer to Islam or up-to our limits and trying more and more to look alike holly and bollywood?
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Well you just said EXTREMISTS MUSLIMS against the PEACEFUL MISLIMS...
Mind you, the person who assassinated Governor Punjab was a B****I.

Mind you me not a Barailvi and mind you that two wrongs dont make a right. Still there r black sheep every where and some have more and some have few. Generally Barailvis come under the term peaceful muslims and it doesnt mean that all peaceful muslims r barailvis. There are peaceful muslims living from Algeria to China so how many of them are barailvi. You have to open up your mind instead of living in hatred. Try to face the reality instead of shying away. Its only one religious group that legitimised violence and murder to impose their beliefs in the past and the same ideology exists and continues till this day and every one knows it and no one can deny it.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Cheeko Bhai , Have u read khilafat and malaoukiat? by molana abullala maoudidi , i am of the opinion (and also think that u will be ) that our Prophet SAW left us with Caliphate , not Monarchism and Kingship ...
THe current King of saudi arabia is monarch , a king , there should have been a chosen khalifah (like Hazrat Abu Bakar , OMAR,OSMAN,Ali R.A)[/SIZE]...

Please start a new thread regarding it.

No I didnt read it and if you have read about it then kindly start a thread to share knowledge with every one.

 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am repeating 3 subjects in my fsc ,
Chemistry , urdu , and physics .In First year , i didnot study that seriously , resulted in 410 marks out of 505, In second year i tried hard , got 403 total 899/1100.I am also attending KIPS Entry test classes , Whenever I will get time I will start that thread . Thanks.
 
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