PIA Crew and Fasting restrictions is good decision.

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think it is a good decision by the government to restrict Fasting for the crew in PIA. This restriction should be extended to medical staff in hospitals also.
I think our Ulema need to give Fatva on this issue to clarify how to follow up on this critical issue. Options to complete the Fasts in other months OR to do Kaffara for those who can not complete the Fasts.
 
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atensari

President (40k+ posts)
اس سے پی آئی اے کا خسارہ کم ہو جائے گا!؛
یا آمد و رفت کے اوقات کی پابندی ہونے لگے گی!؛
 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think it is a good decision by the government to restrict Fasting for the crew in PIA. This restriction should be extended to medical staff in hospitals also.
I think our Ulema need to give Fatva on this issue to clarify how to follow up on this critical issue. Options to complete the Fasts in other months OR to do Kaffara for those who can not complete the Fasts.

I think both the subjects are already covered, wherein it is said that during travelling and while you are sick you can avail the opportunity to postpone fasting and can make it good by adopting any of the two above mentioned options. It is generally seen that option of Kaffara is usually taken by the people with chronic health conditions as against any acute condition.
 

The Sane

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think it is a good decision by the government to restrict Fasting for the crew in PIA. This restriction should be extended to medical staff in hospitals also.
I think our Ulema need to give Fatva on this issue to clarify how to follow up on this critical issue. Options to complete the Fasts in other months OR to do Kaffara for those who can not complete the Fasts.

اس سے پی آئی اے کا خسارہ کم ہو جائے گا!؛
یا آمد و رفت کے اوقات کی پابندی ہونے لگے گی!؛

I think both the subjects are already covered, wherein it is said that during travelling and while you are sick you can avail the opportunity to postpone fasting and can make it good by adopting any of the two above mentioned options. It is generally seen that option of Kaffara is usually taken by the people with chronic health conditions as against any acute condition.
جہاز پر چڑھنے سے پہلے ان ساروں کا شوگر لیول اور شریفوں کا پلیٹ لیٹ لیول چیک کرنا مت بھولیں، ورنہ ملک کا جہاز ڈگمگا سکتا ہے
 

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think both the subjects are already covered, wherein it is said that during travelling and while you are sick you can avail the opportunity to postpone fasting and can make it good by adopting any of the two above mentioned options. It is generally seen that option of Kaffara is usually taken by the people with chronic health conditions as against any acute condition.
The real question is how do the pilots and crew make up for their lost Rozas?
Will they have to use their own vacation time to make up for it OR the government will give them extra time off during the year to make up for the lost Rozas? Because of the nature of their jobs, this will remain a perpetual problem.
What about the pilots and crews of other private airlines?
The same argument goes for the doctors and other medical staff.
Doctors or pilots can make up for the lost Namaz by delaying and performing missed namaz on daily basis but Roza is an altogether different issue.
 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The real question is how do the pilots and crew make up for their lost Rozas?
Will they have to use their own vacation time to make up for it OR the government will give them extra time off during the year to make up for the lost Rozas? Because of the nature of their jobs, this will remain a perpetual problem.
What about the pilots and crews of other private airlines?
The same argument goes for the doctors and other medical staff.
Doctors or pilots can make up for the lost Namaz by delaying and performing missed namaz on daily basis but Roza is an altogether different issue.

Instead of making things complicated I try keeping everything simple.

الله نیتوں کو دیکھتا ہے اور وہ ہر چیز کا خوب جاننے والا ہے
 

stargazer

Minister (2k+ posts)
Instead of making things complicated I try keeping everything simple.

الله نیتوں کو دیکھتا ہے اور وہ ہر چیز کا خوب جاننے والا ہے
Keeping things simple is always good. But, if it is complicated then it is complicated and it can not be simplified beyond a certain level.
Moreover, all Ehkaam are generally simple but there will always be situations for certain groups that will require a more complex solution. That is where the Ulema come in. Just as I am a doctor and I have to provide complex solutions for regular problems owing to the special situation.
 

Dr Adam

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Keeping things simple is always good. But, if it is complicated then it is complicated and it can not be simplified beyond a certain level.
Moreover, all Ehkaam are generally simple but there will always be situations for certain groups that will require a more complex solution. That is where the Ulema come in. Just as I am a doctor and I have to provide complex solutions for regular problems owing to the special situation.
So professionally you and I sail in the same boat and like I said I try keeping everything simple.
I carry utmost regards for genuine Ulema e Deen (Shararti Mullahs excluded) and "uunki majalis main baith ker aur uunki jootiaan uutha ker aur seedhi ker kay hee maien nay uun say yeh sub kuuch seekha hai" and I practice it in letter and spirit.
 
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