Reply to Engr. Muhammad Ali Mirza on his recent videos

BeggersForSale

MPA (400+ posts)
Now a days Engr. Muhammad Ali are very active on Youtube and uploading daily videos on Youtube about this current affair. I tried to add comments to his videos but it seems they never got approved. So I am adding a reply here.

First of all in the following video:

I don't understand the intention of Ali bhai for uploading these videos. If you check his tone in this video and a video before that, you can see he is jumping all over IK but then I think he must have received a huge number of response from normal people like us who support IK that now his tone is changed. Now he is talking in soft voice. E.g. check his latest video below

Now I have following replies for his first video (uploaded above):

First thing he mentioned in one his video (the first one that I shard in this thead) that it is the Army that is always responsible for our foreign policies and Army always control the foreign policy. He says that even during IK PMship time, it was army which was responsible for foreign policy. So it means it was army decision to enter US war on Afghanistan, allows 400+ drone attacks in Pakistan, allow bin ladin incident, allow hundreds of black water ops to roam around in the country (yes don't forget Raymond Davis and how he was rescued in the middle of the night by the held court session) - everything was controlled by army or with its approval. But then how come after IK took PMship, drone attack stopped? how come the policy of only assisting US in peace process in Pakistan came? Did our army took a U-turn? The common sense does not accept all your arguments in this that army is still the one main responsible of our change of foreign policy while it is clear crystal that what we have been doing in foreign policy front is what IK has been saying for last 20 years.

Ali bhai may pretend that working in a security org (most probably NESCOM or Atomic Energy Commission) has provided him enough insight but we all know how much a 19th grade officer would know about these politics especially when someone is a technical (engineering) hire. Whatever he is saying, is best of his understanding of current affairs which could be 100% wrong.

Regarding his comments about let judiciary do their justice: the truth is there is no justice in Pakistan and so we can supreme court don't provide "true justice". Widows and families are leaving justice to Allah (swt) (e.g. Nazim Jokhio murder case, Raymond Davis case, Shahzeb khan murder case) because the justice system in Pakistan has failed to provide them justice. Why didn't the chief (or cheap - please correct me which ever is true) justice of the supreme court asked the Shahbaz Shareef that how come he is able to made a speech in this court but can't appear in his own criminal/fraud cases due to the back pain. Why the courts were opened in the middle of the night? Why in the past, the courts have been opened on holidays or even in middle of night to provide "justice" to the few loved ones? The justice does not go by the written doc but go by the true spirit of justice which is and was always understood by everyone. If there is no justice in Pakistan, who is responsible for this? the responsibility mainly lies on the judges? how come they don't take sumo notices for all these injustices that are happening in Pakistan.

Then, many of his arguments about the inflation in the last two years saying IK is responsible shows that he don't have the true understanding of this fraudulent economic system which has grab this whole world. The inflation is caused by the money that is created out of thin air by the banks when someone take a loan. Check "Money as Debt" video on Youtube to understand this fraud system. In the last two years, all this inflation is caused by a single entity named "Federal Reserve". Yes, a private institute which is responsible for printing (actually just creating out of thin air) for US has caused this mountain of inflation around the globe because of the fraudulent economic system that has taken control all over the world. If someone doesn't understand then he need to do some research in this field as well. Supply and demand does not have that much affect than the fact that 80% of the USD that now exist in the world was created in the last two years.

Also, in his many different Youtube videos, Ali bhai has mentioned, if he would have present at the time of Hazrat Ali, he would be Shiyan-e-Ali. He wouldn't be against Hazrat Ali or even neutral. However, this is easy to say but not that easy to do. Infact, we are currently in the similar situation as what happened during the time Karbala. There was a big powerful establishment and then there was Imam Hussain and we know the whole story. It is almost similar situation where at one end we have an establishment - a powerful and corrupt establishment comprises of few generals, judges and politicians. They are leaches who are sucking the blood out of the 22 crore people of Pakistan. At this point Ali bhai is asking us to go by the system, I assume he would have given the same advice to Imam Hussain in that case. He does not realize that it is not IK who has caused all this issues but actually he is the one who has stopped the way for a bloody revolution in Pakistan. For majority people, IK is the last hope for Pakistan and it is IK due to whom the civil revolution didn't happen in Pakistan because IK provided a channel for most people to fix Pakistan from within the system. Once this hope is gone, you can pray Inna lillah for Pakistan. May be he should stop watching Geo News for sometime and reflect on all the past doings of all the different politicians (Zardaris, Shareefs, Fazlu, etc.).

Then he is asking why IK is not brave enough to say that it is army being responsible for his removal - well IK does not need to say that. Everyone knows that the corrupt political mafias can't do anything without establishment approval. To be honest, mark my words, I have said this many times before that our army has upto now behaved as they are nothing but just mercenaries for hire and I suspect when Imam Mehdi will come inshaAllah, our army would be the one fighting against him for $$$ (for God forbid) if they don't change their attitude (hoping that Pakistan would survive till that time which is hard to imagine if these corrupt mafias of judges, generals, lifafa journalists and politicians prevail).


Now, in this video, he blamed PTI supporters to use bad language and loose talk. That is something that is IK supporters are only wrongly accused of but this is not something only associated with IK supporters only. He should check the language that Noon League, PPP, Fazlu and their supporters have used for IK. How Bilawal and Maryam Safdar addressed IK (who is same age as of their fathers - he should watch some jalsas of noon league and PPP in which Maryam safdar and Bilawal has addressed IK). The only thing IK has called them is Looters, thiefs and corrupts (which is we all agree that they are) but they have used words like charsi, gay, yahoodi agent, qadyani agent etc. for IK. PTI has never gone after their women but they have always went after IK's wives and have used bad language against them? Diesel was the term anointed by the noon league, who threw naked pictures of BB in the 90s via helicopter? who started calling asif zardari mr. 10%?

Now, the other thing he need to understand bad language was always there. However, these Noon leagues supported media was successful to portray this image that these are just IK supporters who use bad language and who exhibit bad behavior. But those who have interacted with Shareefs and Zardaris at a closer level, they know that how worst these blood sucking leaches these families are. These are actually mafia and even 10 times worse than the mafia MQM of Altaf Hussain if you think MQM was bad. The old MQM was nothing in language and behavior as compared to these Shareefs and Zardaris who on surface try to portray themselves as polite but infact they are the worst of the worst creatures that walk this earth right now.

Now regarding the general behavior of the people (most of them who support PTI but many of them don't) : these behavior has been boiling within the society due to only one thing which is injustice. You introduce injustice in a society, you will see that people moral values and ethics will start declining. Initially there will be people who will raise their voices against the injustice in the society in a non-violent and polite manner but usually the establishment of the society is way powerful and will block or ground those voices, then those polite voices will turn to non-violent impolite voices until a tipping point where the non-violent protest will convert into a violent movement. Read history, this has always happened like this in the world. We have examples of all different bloody revolutions that has happened in the world. They all start with non-violent protests but if the establishment don't listen to them then they convert to bloody revolutions. People might give example of conquest of Makkah as a non-violent movement. However, they need to realize that this happened because the establishment of that time (i.e. Quraish) had weaken at that time and Muslims had become way stronger than that establishment of Quraish. Otherwise, until that time there were several wars that happened between Muslims and Quraish. In case of Imam Hussain and Karbala, the then establishment of Yazeed was way more powerful and so that establishment was able to block the voice of the grand son of the Prophet (PBUH).

In the end, I still love Ali bhai for all his Islamic videos, because he has changed me as well. However, this is where I don't agree with what he is saying on his videos and I would like point out that he has a big following and so as he has always proclaimed to be the truth lover, he should only say truth or don't say anything at all. E.g. saying Shahbaz Shareef is not guilty until proven guilty but then we all know what has happened in the last two/three years in his cases and we all know the current justice system of Pakistan. Then what he is saying is only half truth. Someone should not be considered guilty unless proven guilty in a true justice system, not in our JusticeForSale system.
 
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JawadAhmed

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I am also his follower and had same thoughts as your...
Basically the environment he is raised in is responsible as he watches geo news...mentions Saleem safi... Jo andhy ko bhe nazar ata bughz sy bhara hoa aur islam aisa character disapprove krta...but he (Ali bhai)can not judge him..because Ali bhai also have a little demon of bughz against imran Khan and establishment inside him...it's now little and not harmful.i think he will be able to control it.or it could go other way if pti supporters starting arguing with him or cursing

might be his father would have been nawaz supporter...


Secondly he mention that sb ko apna kaam krna chahea...per why he can't understand from the start of civilisations to this point establishment has to do what they are doing.and to counter any individual personnel acts opposite voices plays role..
 

stargazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He explains Tauheed very well and that is where his expertise stays.
He has made several remarks, scathing and incorrect about many professions e.g he said in a talk that Doctors in US do not write prescriptions Pharmacist do! totally wrong but he says many things which are hearsay.
In another talk, he said many army retired officers have told him things, and secrete service agencies also talk to him, and therefore he is making the comment that he goes on to make.
He has a very poor understanding of international affairs, and politics but it does not stop him from dabbling erroneously.
He does not talk as much about mula Fazal as he tries to criticize PMIK.
He talks highly of Erdogan and calls him Marde Momin but I asked him once how is Erdogan better than PMIK if Erdogan has not been able to eradicate alcohol from his country even after 30 years? Alcohol is freely available all over Turkey. Of course, I did not get a response.
Ali sahib tried to justify the lies of TLP in the latest fiasco they created without criticizing the Malookiat TLP has adopted. Nor does he criticize the Malookiat of Mula Fazlu's deen frosh juif.
He only quotes GEO, Dawn, Saafi, Talat, and Hamid Mir.
So many signs of some other design are noted by me also.
 

abidbutt

Senator (1k+ posts)
He turned out to be devil and trying to show his political power. Has he ever questioned others. By what methods except just by guessing, he knows that PTI has employed some people to slander army and they are not working on their own.
What a slum you are who used to teach us ilmi kitabi and now himself conjecturing and if not why don't he brings the proof of his stance instead of demanding such things from IK.

Now Aleem khan is more sacred to him whom IK put in jail if he knew he posses proof of his weaknesses he might not have risked him putting in jail.

Your are now ignorant mullah and I challenge you to sit with me with group of judges who may not be white people but only students of your own gatherings and I will beat you by ilmi kitabi ways.
 

punjab

Councller (250+ posts)
I used to watch his videos and liked him for his commitment and logical religious discussions. But his political views always worried me. Not only that but Geo as his favorite channel and people like Safi, Razi dada his favorite journalists made me rethink my views about him. Also recently he has wtitten comments in favor on Razinama گھٹیا videos.
 

Zainsha

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اِس سے باتیں امام حسین ع کی کروا لو۔۔

اور ساتھ وقت کی یزیدوں کا دلوا لو۔۔

یہ بھی منافق ہی نکلا۔۔

کہتا ہے میں سیاسی آدمی نہیں۔۔

اور عمران کے جاتے ہی چڈی پھاڑ کے اس کا سیاستدان باہر آگیا۔۔
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
He has a very poor understanding of international affairs,
That happens when your entire world is your room. I doubt he has visited any city other than Islamabad and Jhaang where he lives, forget any other countries. There is a reason why they say traveling expands your mind.
He only quotes GEO, Dawn, Saafi, Talat, and Hamid Mir.
Does anyone need any other proof that he is a patwari, even most patwaris don't bother with Saleem Lifafi and noTalent Hussain.

He explains Tauheed very well and that is where his expertise stays.
Exactly jis ka kaam ussi ko saajay, your expertise is exposing sects stick to that. Don't try to become Phannay Khan. Imran Khan got the best education available at the time. Has travelled the world, been ( and is ) top of the fame ladder, met international leaders even before entering politics, opened free hospitals and universities. List of his achievements is too long to even list here.

And other than a YouTube channel what do you have to your credit? You are too afraid even to face your opponents moulvis face to face, While Khan looked straight into the worlds superpowers eyes and told them to f#ck off!

So yeah Eng Saab apni auqaat mein rehain.
 

shayyman

Voter (50+ posts)
Give some fame to a mullah, next thing you know he will launch himself to be a geopolitical, defence, military, financial, sisyasi expert like mullah fazlu.
He has very superficial understanding of things and mostly he takes things on face value without suspecting any wrong doing. Politics is not quran and hadith where you can take source as authentic as it is. It's a hell hole of lies in politics in pakistan. I dont listen to him anymore, because he is positioning himself as a political expert now.
 

IMIKasbati

Minister (2k+ posts)
Hahahaha.
'Ali bhai' .....

Those who follow these NOTANKI molvis are idiots and those who expect sense from them are stupid.

No problem listening to them but following them is a recipe of disaster.
 

SKT

Citizen
He should stay away from Politics and focus on Islam, which is why people follow him. It is specially annoying to see him make arguments for the corrupts as if people are stupid and don't understand things as well as he does.

Followers of IK and PTI are mostly educated class and to say that educated class of pakistan is using vulgar language on social media compared to the uneducated (read ignorant) followers of other parties is simply wrong and based, most likely, on watching paksitani media and TV channels.

My message to Engineer Sahib: "Please don't side with the crooks and justifying the system. This system has been rotten for decades and we know who are responsible for it. All you are doing is damaging your own reputation as a religious scholar"