100 to 320% turnout in 136 polling stations (94 in Punjab) - Impossible Turnout !

[سعد]

I think if a polling station got more than 75% turnout .... even that poling station should be considered for ''Suspected Rigging"

 

[Sedqal]

I checked the list of rigged polls by Free and Fair Elections Network and KPK SEATS WHICH WERE RIGGED PREDOMINANTLY BELONG TO PTI - Check the constituency and who won there [hilar]

 

[Sedqal]

IMran Khan's seat in KPK is also in the list :lol: hun bolo

 

[rtabasum2]

IMran Khan's seat in KPK is also in the list :lol: hun bolo

Do relection on that as well, but this is a mockery done by establishment

 

[Surgeon]

Re: How to Rig Elections in Pakistan: A guide

I wonder why cant they attach a copy of ID card with ballot papar so that vote is assured to be fair and could be checked at any time ?

Basic rule for voting is that identity of the voter should be kept anonymous. Do you wanna endanger the lives of thousands of voters??

 

[JusticeLover]

Re: How to Rig Elections in Pakistan: A guide

Basic rule for voting is that identity of the voter should be kept anonymous. Do you wanna endanger the lives of thousands of voters??

yeah this id card and ballot paper will be property of ECP so identity will be hidden but when candidates dispute results , it could be checked in that way , ECP records are not public .

 

[Surgeon]

Re: How to Rig Elections in Pakistan: A guide

yeah this id card and ballot paper will be property of ECP so identity will be hidden but when candidates dispute results , it could be checked in that way , ECP records are not public .

We are talking about thousands of Polling stations here. On average 150 polling stations per constituency. Do you think there is sufficient arrangement for the delivery of these ballets from Polling stations to the ECP?? What about in Balochistan and Karachi?? Do you think people would still vote with same turn out if your suggestion is implied?? You didn't get actually what I tried to say. On vote One can never share any info relating to the voter. You can keep record that this many voters voted but you can never keep record that person voted that candidate. This is against the basic essence of voting system. If this was to be done they could have simply put serial numbers on the ballet to match it with the counter receipts.

 

[Lil'Genius]

Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?184954-Pakistani-Media-Freemason-Society

 

[Socrates]

there ,ll be no fruitful result.. at the end of day PTI leadership ,ll satisfy what they got .. They don,t have such political wisdom and courage to lead the frustrating youth for a right cause.. everything would settle gradually and all catharsise of young lot ,ll fill pages on social blogs.. we are nation of words but lack plan of actions.. plz let stand for ur generations.. same looting faces are ready to play with pakistan and smiling on us as challenging u don,t have dare to even touch our class.. enough is enough.. stand and make effort for a revolution against this corrupt system

 

[JusticeLover]

Re: How to Rig Elections in Pakistan: A guide

We are talking about thousands of Polling stations here. On average 150 polling stations per constituency. Do you think there is sufficient arrangement for the delivery of these ballets from Polling stations to the ECP?? What about in Balochistan and Karachi?? Do you think people would still vote with same turn out if your suggestion is implied?? You didn't get actually what I tried to say. On vote One can never share any info relating to the voter. You can keep record that this many voters voted but you can never keep record that person voted that candidate. This is against the basic essence of voting system. If this was to be done they could have simply put serial numbers on the ballet to match it with the counter receipts.

Ok then just write ID card No on ballot paper , no one except NADRA can varify or decode it.

When candidates complaint about votes and results use these ID card no on ballot paper and varify them from NADRA simple is that.

In this way there will be no double voting and no fake voting.

You can keep record but can make it public. ECP will not kill someone for voting some party.

Plus no need to send it just enter in the database , ID card no and voted for party code.

 

[shah5ap]

Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

Pehlay hi ham per ilzam hay racist honey ka. Sharrati Kakay ko 'D' say bahar hi rakhen tu acha ho ga.

 

[Asim01]

Re: How to Rig Elections in Pakistan: A guide

I was wondering about the ways in how a elections can be rigged. If you think about it their are actually only a few strategies that can be employed. Most of these can easily be detected if the Ballots and other documentation are preserved. So here are the ways Election can be influenced:

1. Pre poll rigging:​ Least interesting way.It happens almost everywhere in every election. Mostly developmental funds etc are released before election to fund campaigns or buy votes. Other ways are spending more then stipulated amounts on campaigns. Enticing voters with cash, gifts etc. Using police or others to intimidate voters and so on.
Given how common this is and how well known its not worth discussing.
More intressting ways are gerrymandering districts. So for example parties design districts in a way that their opponenets vote is split. Easy way to detect this is to compare voting over an entire district and compare the seats won. So in Lahore division, Fasilabad, Sialkot and Karachi, even if PTI won a large chunk of vote it could not mange seats. Karachi is by far the worst case after Musharaf changed the districts in 2004 to give MQM a huge advantage.
In some cases non contiguous areas were grouped in. MQM breakthrough in Kemari and Landhi are partly results of these efforts.

Polling station in its own areas can be stuffed to negate votes in other polling station. This can also be easily detected.

2.Poll day rigging:

The strategies are diverse and theor effectiveness varies. Here is a list with example

- Delay polling in stations: Infamous case is Karachi NA 250 where poll were dealyed for hours. Areas that were targeted MQM knew it did not have a armed presence and would probably not be able to control polling stations.
PML N NA 125 is another case. If the RO polling staff are on your side they can be asked to slow down the polling process so that Less votes are casted. Or ppl simply quit

-Destroying Ballots:Polling staff can selectively destroy votes. Per rules if ballot tearing occurs the vote is wasted. The polling staff by looking at the voter can make a decision who he may vote for (By ethnicity, social class or seeing party paraphernalia etc). Many voters simply dont know these rules and go on and put the invalid ballet.
This can be detected if a pattern emerges in the invalid ballots. If they are in a large number and mostly from one party it would mean this tactic was employed.
In some rural areas this process is less subtle whole polling boxes where a rivial candidate polls higher are simple confiscated and ballots destroyed.

-Ballot stuffing:A common tactic if one party gets complete control of a polling station and ejects Polling officers or observers of a rival party. Seen through out country . One way to detect is to checki polling station with an unusually high turnout. Either by using a cut off (say 80%) or simply comparing with other polling station in the vicinity.
Election commision has this turnout data for every polling staion in its Statement of polls XI form.

-Disenfranchisement:



To be continued... Work in progress

This is the main problem for a transparent Pakistan or the society is as corrupt as the election vote rigging staff and parts of government. If there can be a fair and free election IK would be the next leader but it is not, it just goes to show, the power of rupees for every single citizen is more value than the better of the country at large. The Saudi ruler can immigrate & run for office, the average American billionaire can immigrate and run for office & the Twisted Arab Jewish community mere billionaire can immigrate & run for office. This is how volatile the whole Pakistan society & establishments as in government are to the foreign Ruppees coming in! http://youtu.be/ax8SnbKeNlE

 

[Respect]

Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

there were people in booths printing there own thumbs on electorol papers hundreds of times, maybe even thousands

 

[nomi304]

Re: Mubashir Lucman and Hamid Mir exposing rigging

 

[PkRevolution]

IMran Khan's seat in KPK is also in the list :lol: hun bolo

No matter where rigging happened, we demand re polling. Shame is that Nawaz is forcing to accept it.

We stand for Insaf.